Pura Cup: Victoria vs. South Australia

[Fall Out Boy]

South Australia team:
SA Deitz, GS Blewett, *DS Lehmann, MJ Cosgrove, MC Miller,
BP Cameron, +GA Manou, JM Davison, MF Cleary, SW Tait, PC Rofe.

Victoria team:
MTG Elliott, MP Mott, BJ Hodge, J Moss, DJ Hussey, CL White,
AB McDonald, *+DS Berry, ML Lewis, MWH Inness, AB Wise.

[Fall Out Boy]

South Australia won the toss and batted.

A very important toss to win given the weather forecast.

SA need to make 4/300 + today to capitalise on the toss.

[Jimmy]

Good luck BG (Ben Cameron)!!!

hope SA can make up for their recent performances!!!

[Fall Out Boy]

Deitz gone on the second ball of the day, caught at third slip by the giant killer, from the bowling of Matty Inness.

How Deitz got a game before Fitzgerald i'll never know.

Come on Vics, get through the kid now.

[DaveW]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Deitz gone on the second ball of the day Hack.

[Fall Out Boy]

Cameron has started well, if he can get through the first hour, batting will be easy, given the bowlers will be struggling with the heat.

[DaveW]

Blewett continues a shocking run of outs.

Inness has struck twice.

Cameron off to a positive start; 10* off 16. I hope he continues it.

[Fall Out Boy]

Excellent to see the back of squib Blewett.

Boof is due though, interesting to see his approach.

Well done Inness, on fire since coming back.

[marcuz]

Inness may well be bowling himself onto a tour to india...

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by marcuz
Inness may well be bowling himself onto a tour to india...

He's a Victorian mate, would need to take all 20 wickets and make a double century with the bat to even make the short list.

[thewhippersnapper]

Victorian bowlers have been great this year in both forms and they have started well again.

SA 2/36 after 10 overs. Cameron 23* Lehmann 8*. 1 of these 2 needs to make a big score.

[apollo_creed]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Excellent to see the back of squib Blewett.



WTF have you got against Blewey?

[marcuz]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
He's a Victorian mate, would need to take all 20 wickets and make a double century with the bat to even make the short list.


lol..true

It's a shame to as his record suggests he should be playing tests now if a bloke like bracken can get in. Unfortunately for Inness the cap he wears is the wrong shade of blue.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by apollo_creed
WTF have you got against Blewey?

As i said the other day, he's soft as butter, gives his wicket away cheaply and rarely scores runs under pressure.

Enormous talent, a severe lack of heart.

[lamby29]

Good start, but we need to remove Lehmann ASAP.

Cameron appears to be batting well.

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Excellent to see the back of squib Blewett.

Boof is due though, interesting to see his approach.

Well done Inness, on fire since coming back.

If he is such a 'squib' then why are you so glad to see the back of him? If he is so 'soft' then what damage can he cause at the crease?

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by lamby29
Cameron appears to be batting well.

Certainly scoring quickly, but then again, so does Davison.

Will be interesting to see if Cameron can put together a big innings, a good test of a young cricketer.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
If he is such a 'squib' then why are you so glad to see the back of him? If he is so 'soft' then what damage can he cause at the crease?

This is a nothing match for South Australia, is it not?

Like i said, he makes runs when it means nothing, struggles when it is an important innings (at least over the past 2-3 years).

Keep the blind faith going though Easty, it's fun.

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
This is a nothing match for South Australia, is it not?

Like i said, he makes runs when it means nothing, struggles when it is an important innings (at least over the past 2-3 years).

Keep the blind faith going though Easty, it's fun.

Whats wrong with being loyal to my state?
Your team was a rabble not long ago and I am sure you were still behind them. Being there in the bad times makes the good times so much better.

[Fall Out Boy]

Nothing to do with supporting them Easty, moreso using blind faith.

Defending someone simply because they are from your state is your usual MO, regardless of what field of endeavour they are in.

Anyway, back to the game.

[apollo_creed]

Lehmann out. Cameron going along nicely though.

[Fall Out Boy]

Boof gone to the giant killer.

One more wicket and we're pretty much into the tail. Hopefully one of these two kids will make a silly mistake to allow us in.

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Nothing to do with supporting them Easty, moreso using blind faith.

Defending someone simply because they are from your state is your usual MO, regardless of what field of endeavour they are in.

Anyway, back to the game.

Who else have I defended only because they are from my state?

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
Who else have I defended only because they are from my state?

Hewitt for one, Cattalini is another (even though he merely plays for Adelaide).

Happy to compile a list when the cricket's over, if you so desire.

[Fall Out Boy]

This Cameron kid seems to be another in the long line of South Aussie cricketers with only one gear.

For South Australia to contend for a title, i believe they need to develop one or two batsmen who can pace an innings, guys who can judge what it needed and adjust.

Guys like Blewett, Cosgrove, Miller, Davison and Manou are all 'all or nothing' cricketers, a team down towards the bottom can't sustain so many of this type.

[marcuz]

Cosgrove gone to the wise man...91/4...it could get ugly.

[thewhippersnapper]

Cosgrove out caught behind for 18.

South Australia 4/91.

Cameron near his 50.

[Demon3]

cosgrove out for 18. SA 4/91. Go Vics

[Fall Out Boy]

As i type, Cosgrove gone.

With no genuine batsmen left, the the anchor a debutante, i will be horribly disappointed if we allow South Australia to score over 200.

[Fall Out Boy]

50 up for Cameron.

Great effort from the kid in his first game, perhaps his cohorts in the sheds could follow his lead.

[thewhippersnapper]

Nice innings here by Cameron on his debut.

Hopefully it leads to a good strong career.

52*

[Fall Out Boy]

Cameron gone on the stroke of lunch.

Good innings from the kid, not much more could be asked of him.

5 down already, and the scary thing is that Mick Lewis and Cameron White still haven't even had a bowl.

200 is the absolute most South Australia should score.

[Fall Out Boy]

Actually, that's lunch now.

5/100. Another dismal session for the Redbacks, and a great one for the Vics.

Glad we won't have to spend the entire day in the field.

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Hewitt for one, Cattalini is another (even though he merely plays for Adelaide).

Happy to compile a list when the cricket's over, if you so desire.

Wrong.
Hewitt was defended because of unfair criticism of him of late. Specifically at the Aus open when he was criticised for absolute rubbish, mainly by ***** from the eastern states, when a certain other player deserves it more, but more on this in another thread.

Cattalini was defended because there were a few people around who seemed to think he started that fight when it was the 2 Wright twits who since got theirs, and ever since have fallen down the ladder, which is sensational!

Anyway, onto the cricket. Well done Cameron. Making your more experienced team mates looking even more the rabble that they are.

[Fall Out Boy]

You've proved my point entirely Easty. Rationale goes out the window for sadly blinding state bias and childish 'he said, she said' rubbish..

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
You've proved my point entirely Easty. Rationale goes out the window for sadly blinding state bias and childish 'he said, she said' rubbish..

It's fact! It was reported in all the news services for the basketball, Cattalini retaliated after verbal abuse and spitting and as for the tennis, Hewitt gave all credit to his opponent. It is documented! The state bias comes from people who are disputing the actual facts. Now thats cleared up, onto the cricket.................

[goaldrush]

Go Vics

[goaldrush]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
It's fact! It was reported in all the news services for the basketball, Cattalini retaliated after verbal abuse and spitting and as for the tennis, Hewitt gave all credit to his opponent. It is documented! The state bias comes from people who are disputing the actual facts. Now thats cleared up, onto the cricket................. I saw that on the news. But anyway that's another story.

[Pedro]

Great start by the Vics. Still, was hoping that Lehmann would get some decent runs. Hopefully Inness can bowl himself into a position whereby the selectors cannot continue to ignore him.

[Demon3]

6/118 now. Wise has 3 wickets

[Pedro]

Finally another wicket. 7/178 as Moss gets Davison.

[Pedro]

8/178 as Moss gets Cleary. Tea taken. Good even bowling performance by the Vics. Hopefully they get the last two quickly and get a good solid start.

[thewhippersnapper]

Victoria should clean up these 2 wickets pretty quickly and get off to a good start in there batting Innings. Good Bowling by the Victorians.

[Fall Out Boy]

Come back from an afternoon out to find the South Aussies mounting an excellent comeback.

Disappointed that they've gotten over 200.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by eastaugh36
It's fact! It was reported in all the news services for the basketball, Cattalini retaliated after verbal abuse and spitting and as for the tennis, Hewitt gave all credit to his opponent. It is documented! The state bias comes from people who are disputing the actual facts. Now thats cleared up, onto the cricket.................

Yawn. I've heard your views on said issues, doesn't make them fact.

[Fall Out Boy]

Miller is playing us.

41 run partnership, Tait has 0.

We're too good a team to let someone play us like this.

Time to bring this to an end, gone on a little too long.

[thewhippersnapper]

They are playing very defensively and thats what they have to do so they can get thier score up even if it is very slowly.

Shaun Tait certainly taking his time, 0 off 27 balls.

South Australia 8/222.

[Fall Out Boy]

Finally Miller gone.

Did well to push the score up to 225 odd, although he may well regret passing up easy runs.

[kretchy]

Miller goes for 84 and Rofe out very next ball.

[Fall Out Boy]

Is Rofe the worst batsman in the land? I thought it was Inness, but Rofe has changed my view.

[kretchy]

Rofe bowls Mott without scoring.

[Fall Out Boy]

Mott does his best Greg Blewett impression, leaving us at 1/7.

Not doing your chances of playing in the final much good Matty, all we need from you is 10-15 overs to take the shine off the new ball.

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Yawn. I've heard your views on said issues, doesn't make them fact.

For the last time, they are not only my views, it is what happened. You talk of bias regarding someones state, well take a look at you. You are going against all media reports with your own little version of events to satisfy your claims just because you don't like the true facts.

[Fall Out Boy]

What bias do i have on such matters? I don't follow any NBL team, and i have no interest in tennis.

Try again.

[Fall Out Boy]

1/35 so far.

Excellent start so far, if we can keep the best one-two punch in the country at the crease until stumps, we will have had a great day.

[Lidge]

Thanks for the updates today guys, as I'm o/seas this week was great to wake up and get the summary on here (aside from Phats & easy's lovers tiff). Get a room, kiss and make up will ya?

And where did Miller find form? Lucky for SA he and the rookie made a few runs.

Go Vics.

Fair chance the boys will be singing the song on day 3.

..."Hearts to Hearts....etc etc

[Lidge]

Match State: Stumps - Day 1

End of over 16 (2 runs) Victoria 48/1 (trail by 177 runs)
JM Davison 1-0-2-0 - Great Southern Stand End
BJ Hodge 22* (38b 3x4) MTG Elliott 23* (52b 4x4)

[Fall Out Boy]

How's Paris?

1/48 at stumps, brilliant day for the Vics.

Less then 200 runs away from hosting the final, go you good things.

I'll take first innings points, but i'd so love to crush SA again.

[eastaugh36]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
What bias do i have on such matters? I don't follow any NBL team, and i have no interest in tennis.

Try again.

Which is what I find so baffling. I am forming my opinions on what was reported in the media on the nbl incident and you impossibly claim to have another set of the facts to form your opinion that a) wright did not verbally abuse and spit at Cattalini to start the nbl brawl(which he did) as for the aus open one b) you claim hewitt was not full of praise for Federer (he was, in fact the press conference was televised!).
How can that be bias for my home states sportsmen when it happened????? To me bias is when your trying to defend someone when they were in the wrong. In these cases, neither was, so I am rightfully defending them.

[Fall Out Boy]

Cricket was good today, wasn't it?

[Fall Out Boy]

Also thought i'd congratulate Chuck Berry on reaching 150 first class matches (he is also only a few catches off 600 dismissals).

A feat made even more remarkable by the fact that he never played County Cricket.,

I'd dare say not many keepers have played 150 games and made 600 dismissals.

[grayza]

Good 1st day by the Vics, almost got the final at home...but hey funny things do happen in cricket
hodgey and matty look well set, be interesting to see over the next few games who will get the nod as the other opener, mott just needs to get a few more runs on the board

looking forward to seeing how the vics go tomorrow, hussey moss and white to come i think they should really build a big lead over SA

Go Vics!!!!

[Pedro]

I missed the last part of the day, but good to see the Vics off to a reasonably solid start. Hopefully by lunch tomorrow, 2 points should be well within sight.

[DaveW]

Sigh.

Another disappointing performance from the South Australian batsmen. Deja vu all over again.

I'll take solace in Cameron's debut innings and Miller's runs.

The thing I find most worrying is the recent form of experienced campaigners in Lehmann and Blewett. They've both collected a string of failures in the last month or two.

Yes Victoria are playing good cricket, but we're simply not putting up enough of a fight at the moment.

[Ray Nolan]

Credit to Mick Miller for his dig, otherwise it would be even more pathetic and nasty for SA. His recent performances indicate he is at least making the effort to try and improve. Well done to Ben Cameron as well for 50 on debut. The rest, urgh.:(

[Russian]

Were there 2 lots of Redbacks out there yesterday? One team has a typical Redback top order collapse, the other gets into a very strong position and lets them off (only difference is this team remains in a strong position and has a decent batting lineup to make up for it :rolleyes: )

Good performances from Cameron and Miller, who should I talk up next? Although we'll almost certainly lose yet another game, it's good to see the newbies playing well, good sign for next year (although how many years have we been saying 'next year' for?). Deitz must be on his last life in the second innings, Chris Davies and Ben Cameron could be our opening combination next week.

Victoria must drop Darren Berry - those catches shouldn't be taken, especially on the last ball before lunch :p . Trying to think of a constructive comment about the Vics but there isn't one really. Bowling very good, batting excellent, will be the biggest choke in history (well at least since September 7) if they don't win the competition - clearly the best side in it.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Russian
Trying to think of a constructive comment about the Vics but there isn't one really. Bowling very good, batting excellent, will be the biggest choke in history (well at least since September 7) if they don't win the competition - clearly the best side in it.

I see what you're playing at. Yes we are the best team, but to say, this far out, that a loss in the final will be a choke, is far fetched.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by DaveW

The thing I find most worrying is the recent form of experienced campaigners in Lehmann and Blewett. They've both collected a string of failures in the last month or two.


Should he stil go to Sri Lanka?

[Lidge]

At the start of the summer 99% of cricket fans would have assumed Boof would be on the tour. After his injury - 80% would have assumed he'd be back.

But with his underwhelming form and scoring since his return, I'd say 99% probability he's played his last game for the Aussies (in either form of the game).

He's just way too back in the pack of players in the queue now, and his age is another negative going against him.

I'd be surprised if even Boof himself thought he's any chance of winning his spot back.

[Russian]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
I see what you're playing at. Yes we are the best team, but to say, this far out, that a loss in the final will be a choke, is far fetched. Yeah probably right. Haven't played Tassie yet so nobody really knows how far ahead they are (or aren't), and who knows what may happen with injuries and national selection. Take out Hodge and Hussey for example and you've got problems.

All I'll say about Boof is Brett Lee.

[corporal]

Originally posted by Russian
Take out Hodge and Hussey for example and you've got problems.



True, but take the best two bats out of any state side and they will have problems.

Lehmann has to go to Sri Lanka, with the loss of experience with Waugh retiring he will be a good head to have helping Pointing. Also even though he is not in great form, he is the best player of spin in the country and his record is to good for him not to get back into form quickly (plus he has been batting against the Vic's so of course he isn't going to make any runs.. who can!?!?!)

[Fall Out Boy]

7 runs off the first over of the morning, looking good.

Hopefully the rain holds off, it's certainly clear in my part of town.

[onslaught]

I got along to the first session yesterday, and the spirit the vics displayed is most encouraging come finals time.

Innes Wise and McDonald, and Mott all bowled well.. Hopefully Innes comes under consideration for the Sri Lanka tour.

Cameron was the one bright light for SA, and managed to play good attacking cricket even when wickets were falling all around him.

Hopefully the mighty Vics stack on some quick runs and really set this match up.

cheers
ons.
http://vflfooty.com

[onslaught]

Dropped catch.. Hodge out down in the gully in the first over.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by corporal

Lehmann has to go to Sri Lanka, with the loss of experience with Waugh retiring he will be a good head to have helping Pointing. Also even though he is not in great form, he is the best player of spin in the country and his record is to good for him not to get back into form quickly (plus he has been batting against the Vic's so of course he isn't going to make any runs.. who can!?!?!)

Whilst i agree with all that, i can't justify his inclusion due to fitness.

I'm not certain he'll make it through a tough tour of Sri Lanka.

[Fall Out Boy]

Cosgrove dropped Hodge.

Time for Hodgey to make them pay.

[Fall Out Boy]

Surprised that Tait wasn't given a chance first up.

Perhaps he's injured.

Regardless, with the low cloud, SA might have a chance to take a few wickets this morning.

[onslaught]

anyone having problems with the the Cricinfo scores for the game? Mines gone back to stumps day 1 even after force refreshing..

http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/NEW/LIVE/frames/VIC_SOA_PC_08-11FEB2004.html

[Russian]

Yep, 2nd time this morning i.e. 27 minutes :rolleyes:

Hodge 55, Elliot 28, 1/87

[Fall Out Boy]

Cricinfo is constantly going back to stumps scores for me, very frustrating.

[ross gibbs]

regardless of opinion lehmann is a monty to go to sri lanka.
vic 91/1 and tait yet to bowl.
long day ahead for the jellybacks :(

[Fall Out Boy]

Hodge has scored 37 in 31 minutes himself today.

Amazing.

[onslaught]

Hodge 59no and looking good again... scoring quickly.. Is he gunning for Martyn's spot in the Aus side?

[Fall Out Boy]

Miller replaced Rofe, surely Tait has to be injured.

[Russian]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
surely Tait has to be injured. Just the disease that seems to be passed between Redback captains, here he is.

[Fall Out Boy]

Baffling decision.

Tait's worst is more dangerous than anything Mick Miller will ever bowl.

[Fall Out Boy]

Elliott dropped by Boof Lehmann.

1/103

122 runs from hosting the final.

[dan warna]

400 runs from declaring...;) :D :p

[Fall Out Boy]

Hodge gone for 73.

Time for Mossy to turn around his recent form.

[Russian]

Hoo ****ing ray

Was gonna give up on this game and watch the 2nd XI game but we're 0/87 there :rolleyes:

Good to see some youngsters playing in the 2nd XI - Fitzgerald, Higgs, Johnson :rolleyes:

and the 12th man for the 1st XI is bowling 2nd change for the 2nd :rolleyes:

Let's have a few more :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: s

[bomber70]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Hodge gone for 73.

Time for Mossy to turn around his recent form.

Geez, a bit critical. He missed out in the last game (27 & 8), but he's got 615 runs at 55 this season...not long enough to get out of form!

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by bomber70
Geez, a bit critical. He missed out in the last game (27 & 8), but he's got 615 runs at 55 this season...not long enough to get out of form!

I did say recent, didn't i?

[Fall Out Boy]

Good little fightback from SA.

5 runs and a wicket from the last 5 overs.

[Fall Out Boy]

2/138 at lunch.

Excellent comeback from the Redbacks, although i think the horse has bolted.

[dan warna]

moss hasn't shown too often in his career an ability to slaughter attacks, he's more of an accumulator.

hodge on the other hand...

[bluechampion]

Gah... the go-slow continues.

Mossy has made about 20 runs off 60 ballss and Elliot has made maybe 60 of about 4000 balls.

Is this very disciplined bowling from the Redbacks, or something else?

[dan warna]

nah, mossy is on all out attack mode from the sounds of it by his standards anyhoo...

[Fall Out Boy]

Half way through day 2 we're 28 runs off first innings points.

So are hard to please.

[bluechampion]

I'm not complaining... I want the win first and foremost. It's just hard to accurately judge how the game is flowing with the commentary on baggygreen. I'm genuinely interested to know what Elliott (in particular) has been going at such a slow pace, and what implications it has for the state of the game.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by bluechampion
I'm not complaining... I want the win first and foremost.

Plenty of time left in the game.

Even if we go at this rate for another day, we'll be 300 clear with a day and a half to play.

Time isn't important, that's probably why Elliott is playing it slow.