Best Youngster's

[year of the roo]

Which State has the best group of youngsters?

[lamby29]

South Australia.

[The Spornstar]

Yeah, has to be SA. I don't know why their supporters are such a bunch of stressheads! They'll be fine in a few years.
NSW would have the worst, well except for Clarke.

[DaveW]

South Australia. Easily.

[apollo_creed]

SA.

[year of the roo]

Tend to agree that atm SA do have the best group of youngsters, but in the next few years it will be Victoria as some of these guys who have hardly played yet (Crosthwaite, Cassell and co) will become very good players. Just a matter of time.

[Russian]

* SA just ahead of Victoria.
* Good trio at WA but because of the numbers they're down the list.
* Don't know enough about the Tasmanians.
* Persistant injuries to Brant, Johnson, Bollinger make it difficult to judge Queensland and NSW. Simpson looks to be a good player, not overly impressed with Hauritz, O'Brien is not much more than a Mr Fixit.

1. SA
2. Vic
3. Tas
3. WA
5. Qld
6. NSW

Try making a team out of that lot, pretty tough particularly in the bowling and keeping departments.

[Fall Out Boy]

South Australia, Vics clearly second best.

[Fall Out Boy]

NSW a long last.

Any state that a) needs to be consider Dougie Bollinger as a "youngster" and b) gives Dougie Bollinger a contract, is clearly battling to find talent.

[Cooldude]

South Australia, though Ferguson's out for a year with an ACL, right?

Yes, apart from Clarke, there's daylight between the second best youngster in NSW, and if you have to put Bollinger in the group, it just shows how desperate they are

[Russian]

Originally posted by Cooldude
South Australia, though Ferguson's out for a year with an ACL, right? Don't know, they're calling it a 'cruciate strain'. He's staying with the squad for now to get more tests done. Bangladeshi medical system :rolleyes:

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by Russian
Bangladeshi medical system :rolleyes:

LOL, exactly, I remember Mark Waugh breaking a finger in India in 2001, the medical "experts" in India insist that there's no break, and then the Aus team physio looked at the X-rays himself and point at the biggest break you'd ever see.

[Russian]

Injured Callum Ferguson to await further medical advice

Cricket Australia

February 16, 2004



Australian Under-19 batsman Callum Ferguson will await further medical advice on his injured knee before a decision is made on his availability for the International Cricket Council (ICC) Under-19 World Cup, which begins in Bangladesh today.

Ferguson, 19, suffered a cruciate ligament strain to his right knee on Saturday (14 February) when he collided with his batting partner while running between wickets during Australia's warm up match against a Rajshahi Mayor's XI in Rajshahi.

He left the ground immediately to receive medical attention from Australian team physiotherapist Max Pfitzner and took no further part in the game.

The talented top-order batsman will continue to receive intensive physiotherapy over the next few days before a final decision is made on his availability for the rest of the tournament.

If Ferguson is required to return home, Cricket Australia will make application to the ICC's Under-19 World Cup Technical Committee to approve a replacement player.

Further details on a replacement player, if required, will be issued in due course.

Australia plays Canada in its opening match of the ICC Under-19 World Cup in Rajshahi today (16 February).

[DaveW]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
NSW a long last.

Any state that a) needs to be consider Dougie Bollinger as a "youngster" and b) gives Dougie Bollinger a contract, is clearly battling to find talent. Originally posted by Cooldude
Yes, apart from Clarke, there's daylight between the second best youngster in NSW, and if you have to put Bollinger in the group, it just shows how desperate they are Bollinger's not that bad. There were times last season when he looked like NSW's best bowler.

I don't know why Aaron Bird hasn't been given a chance yet though.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by DaveW
Bollinger's not that bad.


Yes, yes he is.

[year of the roo]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Any state that a) needs to be consider Dougie Bollinger as a "youngster"
He's 22, so I think it's fair to say that he is a youngster. I don't really know what you have got against Bollinger, he is struggling with injuries and even though his stats don't read too well, he did OK at times last year. Not a superstar by any means, but there are MUCH worse bowlers around the place.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by year of the roo
there are MUCH worse bowlers around the place.

61.07 says otherwise.

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by DaveW
There were times last season when he looked like NSW's best bowler.


If he was at any stage NSW's best bowler, it just shows how crap their bowling lineup can be, and the worst thing is they won the Shield last season with it!

[year of the roo]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
61.07 says otherwise.
No it doesn't, because a) that is only a stat and means **** all, and b) there are plenty of bowlers who have worse records than him anyway.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by year of the roo
a) that is only a stat and means **** all

So you've never used stats to back up your argument?


Originally posted by year of the roo

there are plenty of bowlers who have worse records than him anyway.

You just said stats mean "**** all".

But anyway, care to name a few?

[Darky]

SA, with Qld second, and Vic third.

[CatManDo]

Scott Meulman doesnt get a mention for WA? Playing more than Marsh is at the moment.

Meulman, Marsh, Ronchi and Casson should all be good, long term players for WA, something to be excited about.

[year of the roo]

Originally posted by CatManDo
Scott Meulman doesnt get a mention for WA? Playing more than Marsh is at the moment.

Meulman, Marsh, Ronchi and Casson should all be good, long term players for WA, something to be excited about.
Good point, someone put Meuleman in for me.

[catattack]

Give me South Australia’s young list any day, then the Bushrangers young list, they are probably second IMO.

[Slax]

SA & Vic may have the best youngsters but we all know to bloody well that the next youngster to break into the test team will be from NSW (and the one after that probably too)

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by year of the roo
Good point, someone put Meuleman in for me.

Done.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Russian

Try making a team out of that lot, pretty tough particularly in the bowling and keeping departments.

Meuleman
Cameron
Cosgrove
Clarke
Watson
White
McDonald
Crosthwaite
Casson
Tait
Rofe

4 South Australians
3 Victorians
2 Western Australians
1 New South Welshman
1 Tasmanian
0 Queenslanders

[dan warna]

Vics seem to have achieved more with their kids though.

SA had a few chances to put their kids up against vics kids, and the vics kicked booty, i think that says who should be first.

white - outstanding player, bats best under pressure, tends to give his wicket away when the situation is good (5/300 = 6/300), but when the situation is dire (5/50) he usually comes good. Probably a lack of maturity, but at 20 wtf? Still averaging mid 40s this season.

leggie bowling at 35ish, in australia, in this era of slab wickets and great batsmen, is pretty damn good.

Captains Aus u 19 to a world cup two years ago.

wise and mcdonald to back lewis and inness, has victoria been this rich in pacemen for a long time? (dodomaide, merv, fleming, odonnel, reiffel etc in the late 80s and early 90s made a formidible line up of bowlers also.

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by dan warna

SA had a few chances to put their kids up against vics kids, and the vics kicked booty, i think that says who should be first.

No, that just shows that Elliott and Hodge are dominant, and Blewett and Lehmann are grossly underachieving.

Those results had very little to do with the kids, and everything to do with the veterans.

[dan warna]

i could be wrong, but i remember white taking a few key wickets, and young wise and mcdonald going ok with the ball as well.

I think hussey might have missed with the bat, but at 24 is still a relative kid with a decade in front of him

although i must say, watching the bailey innings for tassie was absolutely gutsy.

I reckon i'll be keeping an eye out for that kid. it must have been 50 degrees with the concrete bake in out there.

and he's all of 20.

impressive

[marcuz]

Any chance we could find a young batsmen we have plenty of bowlers, josh Mangan is another leggie on his way.

Young batsmen with sound technique..not guys like Klinger and Clinton Peake, who by the way thinks he will force his way back into the Vic squad..i bloody hope not.

[Fall Out Boy]

Peake deserves another go.

Certainly a better prospect than guys like Joseland and Jewell.

[JUBJUB]

Originally posted by DaveW
Bollinger's not that bad. There were times last season when he looked like NSW's best bowler.



Who were the other bowlers ?
Don Nash & Anthony Stuart ?

[Homer]

I think SA are looking good at the moment, its just a matter of time. BUT, I voted for Queensland.

You sold us short by listing those names. Try on Phillipson, Hopes, Hartley and Mackenzie in that list.

IMHO and the opinion of many, Hartley is 5 years from Aussie keeper. Hopes is a good possibility of wearing the Green and Gold, beacuse of his versatility. Phillipson has only just debuted, but has stacks of talent and racked up decent numbers.

Mackenzie is in the same boat as Johnson and Brant. They will spearhead us into the next generation and would be first-change bowlers, if not openers, already for most states... Bar the Vics.

[lufc618]

South Australia easily!

[Russian]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Meuleman
Cameron
Cosgrove
Clarke
Watson
White
McDonald
Crosthwaite
Casson
Tait
Rofe

4 South Australians
3 Victorians
2 Western Australians
1 New South Welshman
1 Tasmanian
0 Queenslanders Wouldn't have been the team I came up with but I like it better than mine I think. Not totally convinced on playing Watson, White AND McDonald but a lot depends how dangerous Tait and Rofe turn out to be with the ball and those all rounders with the bat.

[dan warna]

white and watson at 7 and 8 will probably make up for the loss of gilchrist...

if watson and white can have batting averages at the test level of 35 to 40 and bowling averages of less than 30, that would allow us to pick a keeper at 9 (to hope for another gilchrist...we'd be lucky if we see his like again for aus in our lifetimes!) and bowlers at 10 and 11.

also symonds, clarke and katich give us additional bowling options!

I doubt i 5 years time we'll be able to field 5 batsmen with averages above 50...(punter, s.waugh, haydo, gilchrist, lehmann, love, even martyn was above 50 for a while!)

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by dan warna

I think hussey might have missed with the bat, but at 24 is still a relative kid with a decade in front of him

Ah, Sir David Hussey is 26, going on 27.

[CatManDo]

Originally posted by dan warna
if watson and white can have batting averages at the test level of 35 to 40 and bowling averages of less than 30...


that would put them both in the realm of great all rounders in the history of the game. Big call.

[Unwritten_Law]

Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Meuleman
Cameron
Cosgrove
Clarke
Watson
White
McDonald
Crosthwaite
Casson
Tait
Rofe


Clingeleffer is only 23.

[dan warna]

I would say that pura cup cricket is = test cricket now.

all the state sides are better than bangladesh, zimbabwe, england, and equal to New zealand, windies, Sri Lanka and pakistan etc.

Vic and Qld would be competitive with india and RSA

white is 20, and batting at about 30 to 35, this season 40 plus, and bowling at 34/35 (making him the best spinner by performance in first class aus cricket?)

watson is bowling at 29 and batting at about 42/43. he is only 20, i think he is having a spanking season with the bat as well, and is definately a contender.

I also think, like my discussion re: kallis, these guys will have 'stats boosters' playing against the england, kenya, zimmers, and bangers, which are definately about the same class as a top district side, let alone a state side.


big call? certainly not.

pretty sure clarke, watson, even white would get 'sorted out' by the windies of the 80s but they are distant memory for some.

kids today won't believe the terror the windies had, so awesome were they, they had a huge support base in aus, they were like kings, more popular than our own aussie team,

now the likes gilchrist, hayden, steve waugh, and warne are heroes around the cricketing world, modern version of the windians.

richards, lloyd, marshall, haynes, walsh, ambrose, greenidge, garner, etc would be met by hundreds if not thousands when they arrived at the airports.

they were like rock stars. pretty sure they'd make a mess of the lesser lights in Aus.

would be interesting if we could put the best of them up against the best of us.

I think our bats are, on average better than theirs, but what a bowling line up they had....

[Fall Out Boy]

Originally posted by Unwritten_Law
Clingeleffer is only 23.

The squad was selected from the options given to us by the thread starter.

[Nod]

Mark Cleary has been overlooked.
39 wickets at 26.76

[Thunderstruck]

Yer I was wondering bout Cleary too.

Pretty tought choice but Id pick SA just over VIC with QLD a very close 3rd.

SA could well be worried despite having sucha good bucnh of youngsters is that most of them are likely to be poached up by Australia at some stage and they are all around the same age apart from Cossie who is younger but likely to go at the same time. Take out those younsters and Boof the team looks quite poor, tho blokes like Cullen should also be metnioned, that guy is a wicket machine, every game (innings) i see him play he takes 4 or 5 wickets.