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Fall Out Boy
19 Feb 2004, 10:24
Matthew Elliott has just notched yet another century, his second for the match, and 6th for the season.
He has made 1184 runs @ 78.93 (4th highest season total ever by a Victorian), with 6 centuries.
Over his Sheffield Shield career he has 29 centuries in 90 matches and an average of 53.37 (which is superior to most of his contemporaries including Lehmann).
It will be a travesty if Elliott isn't taken to Sri Lanka as the third opener. The bloke is clearly the best domestic cricketer in the land at the moment.
Give him the Pura Cup Cricketer of the Year award now.
Black Thunder
19 Feb 2004, 10:30
doubt he'll go, but to put you victorian minds at ease. he'd definetaly be in the selectors minds.
dan warna
19 Feb 2004, 11:01
when is the SL test tour?
does it coincide with the purid final?
that said, I am not one who has been bagging langer or martyn, and think they've done enough to retain their spots.
Disgustipated
19 Feb 2004, 11:04
Word around the campfire is the postman from NSW will be selected ahead of Elliott.
As far as the squad to Sri Lanka goes, Lehmann and Clarke have their bags packed.
The Spornstar
19 Feb 2004, 11:05
I don't mind if he or Hodge don't go to SL as we need them for the Pura Cup final.
That said they both deserve to go, or at least be considered.
People go on about Elliott 'failing' from his 20 tests but as said Gnome, Haydos and him were all in the same position after 20 tests. Not saying that he should replace either of those guys BUT if they fail consistently or are injured then he should be next in line.
Russian
19 Feb 2004, 11:08
If they took someone purely as a backup opener, it would be Elliot, but they won't, so Arnberger will have to watch the Pura Cup final from the stands.
dan warna
19 Feb 2004, 11:43
lehmann certainly has done nothing wrong and deserves a spot
clarke hasn't done enough yet, an ave of 39ish in first class, he's not done enough this season, or in his career.
certainly will probably play, but there are so many more worthy than him. but wtf we are used to NSW hacks.
I can't believe that rubbish about mail even being considered.
elliot may get the call if the 'gnome' has two or three bad series, but frankly he's ok.
Originally posted by dan warna
I can't believe that rubbish about mail even being considered.
If you believe that Dan, you're even more ignorant than I thought.
We've had to put up with you Vics whingeing all summer about how Elliott, Hodge, etc, etc, should be considered for national selection. I hope we don't hear you whingeing should they get picked to tour Sri Lanka, and miss the Milk Mug final. :p
Fall Out Boy
19 Feb 2004, 12:18
Originally posted by Black Thunder
doubt he'll go, but to put you victorian minds at ease. he'd definetaly be in the selectors minds.
Geez, only took 6 minutes for the anti-Victorian bull**** to hijack a thread.
Good going.
BTW Elliott's had a fair year, eh?
ARDENSTREETforever
19 Feb 2004, 12:26
Originally posted by spanna
If you believe that Dan, you're even more ignorant than I thought.
We've had to put up with you Vics whingeing all summer about how Elliott, Hodge, etc, etc, should be considered for national selection. I hope we don't hear you whingeing should they get picked to tour Sri Lanka, and miss the Milk Mug final. :p
Im only whinging because, NATHAN BRACKEN got selected for the test series, (ahead of alot more deserved Vic bowlers) hes a bloody disgrace, Simon Katich, immediatly moves from WA, immediatly gets a game with AUS,
Matthew Nicolson, moves to NSW from WA, done nothing for 5 years, all of a sudden, hes from NSW, give a him a test spot. not right.
Then theres Greg Mail, average of 22 in pura cups, that is crap, theres also Brad Haddin. Ryan Cambell is 10 times a better keeper, as is Wade Seccombe, but because Hes a NSW boi, he gets the nod, thats why im ticked off.
NSW are the Collingwood of the Cricketing world... a disgrce, i think theres alot of Under the table stuff going on up there.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
It will be a travesty if Elliott isn't taken to Sri Lanka as the third opener.
Do they generally take 3 openers on tour, or is this a brand new initiative you are suggesting especially for Matty?
Originally posted by NorthBoi96
Im only whinging because, NATHAN BRACKEN got selected for the test series, (ahead of alot more deserved Vic bowlers) hes a bloody disgrace, Simon Katich, immediatly moves from WA, immediatly gets a game with AUS,
Matthew Nicolson, moves to NSW from WA, done nothing for 5 years, all of a sudden, hes from NSW, give a him a test spot. not right.
Then theres Greg Mail, average of 22 in pura cups, that is crap, theres also Brad Haddin. Ryan Cambell is 10 times a better keeper, as is Wade Seccombe, but because Hes a NSW boi, he gets the nod, thats why im ticked off.
NSW are the Collingwood of the Cricketing world... a disgrce, i think theres alot of Under the table stuff going on up there.
Sorry, last I checked the Test squad for SL wasn't scheduled to be announced until tomorrow. But, if you're telling me that Nicholson and Mail have been selected, I'll take your word for it :rolleyes:
By the way, the only test Nicholson played was when he was playing for WA, not NSW, and I don't think anyone seriously thinks he'll get picked tomorrow.
But, obviously you know what you're talking about, so I'll just shut up.
harry_hawka
19 Feb 2004, 12:48
Originally posted by Zeke
Do they generally take 3 openers on tour, or is this a brand new initiative you are suggesting especially for Matty?
Have to agree with Zeke's line of questioning here, Phat. I think it'd be a ridiculous move to use a spot in the squad simply to have a back-up opener when only injury will cause Langer or Hayden to get the axe this tour (and when was the last time they got injured?). No doubt Elliott deserves a spot in a test team, given his form, but at the moment he's just extremely unlucky that Hayden and Langer are in the side.
Do you honestly think an Australian touring side should take 3 specialist openers? Or are you just using that line of thought to somehow get a deserved player into the test team? I suspect the latter.
Cooldude
19 Feb 2004, 12:50
As the Indian test series showed, when he does not swing the ball (which he doesn't with the red one), Nathan Bracken is innocous and has no bloody chance of getting a wicket, even Steve Waugh's medium pacers are more threatening
Fall Out Boy
19 Feb 2004, 12:54
Originally posted by Zeke
Do they generally take 3 openers on tour, or is this a brand new initiative you are suggesting especially for Matty?
If you need to ask the question, then your cricket knowledge is sadly lacking.
Three openers isn't common, but it has happened numerous times in the past.
Fall Out Boy
19 Feb 2004, 12:55
Originally posted by harry_hawka
Do you honestly think an Australian touring side should take 3 specialist openers? Or are you just using that line of thought to somehow get a deserved player into the test team? I suspect the latter.
A bit of both, but the idea of three openers going on tour isn't exactly a new idea.
Besides, Elliott can bat at 3, and has done in thr past.
I'm not saying he will go, just saying he deserves to. Anything wrong with that?
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
I'm not saying he will go, just saying he deserves to. Anything wrong with that?
No, you said it would be a 'travesty' if he doesn't - which it won't. It's just cricket.
CatManDo
19 Feb 2004, 13:06
If Elliot is picked, you couldnt say he doesnt deserve it. But Martin Love would be rightly peeved if he was overlooked for him.
I would like to see Elliot selected, simply because he's the most in form batsman going around at the moment and it can only be good for Australia. And you always like to see form rewarded. But I dont think it is going to happen.
Fall Out Boy
19 Feb 2004, 13:11
Originally posted by Zeke
No, you said it would be a 'travesty' if he doesn't - which it won't. It's just cricket.
Pedants unite.
Fall Out Boy
19 Feb 2004, 13:12
Originally posted by CatManDo
I would like to see Elliot selected, simply because he's the most in form batsman going around at the moment and it can only be good for Australia. And you always like to see form rewarded. But I dont think it is going to happen.
Summed it up pretty well, but that aside, he has had an amazing year, which was the main point of the thread.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Pedants unite.
Get a grip - you're the one talking about 'travesties' ... and you call me padantic!
Pot. Kettle. Black.
dr nick
19 Feb 2004, 19:32
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Matthew Elliott has just notched yet another century, his second for the match, and 6th for the season.
He has made 1184 runs @ 78.93 (4th highest season total ever by a Victorian), with 6 centuries.
Over his Sheffield Shield career he has 29 centuries in 90 matches and an average of 53.37 (which is superior to most of his contemporaries including Lehmann).
It will be a travesty if Elliott isn't taken to Sri Lanka as the third opener. The bloke is clearly the best domestic cricketer in the land at the moment.
Give him the Pura Cup Cricketer of the Year award now.
yeah, and Michael Bevan averages 98.00 for this year and 57.45 for his FC Career (which is superior to most of his contemporaries, including Elliott)
I'd dead set love to hear the bleating if this bloke was from Vic, with such fierce competition from the likes of Martyn and Lehmann. Oh, but maybe he can bat at 3, replacing Ponting. Forgot about that.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Over his Sheffield Shield career he has 29 centuries in 90 matches and an average of 53.37 (which is superior to most of his contemporaries including Lehmann). Not anymore.
Originally posted by nicko18
I'd dead set love to hear the bleating if this bloke was from Vic,
As opposed to that emanating from NSW when he was dropped? Nearly as funny as good 'ol Henry blaming the selectors for Mark Taylors form slump because they'd dropped Slater, or Kerry O'Keefes desperate attempts to convince everyone that Warne wont make it back into the australian side because "we've got Stuie".
You lot have had a charmed run with bokes like Gavin Robertson and Bracken getting tests on the back of sweet **** all.
dr nick
19 Feb 2004, 19:54
who was complaining when he was dropped? i dont know anyone.
He has done more than enough to regain a spot and to suggest the likes of elliott have done more than him are a joke. Should the fact Robbo played test cricket alter that fact? irrelevant, but of course he is no Peter McIntyre.
Originally posted by nicko18
yeah, and Michael Bevan averages 98.00 for this year and 57.45 for his FC Career (which is superior to most of his contemporaries, including Elliott)
I'd dead set love to hear the bleating if this bloke was from Vic, with such fierce competition from the likes of Martyn and Lehmann.
Agree!! ;)
Originally posted by Nicko18
yeah, and Michael Bevan averages 98 for this year and 57.45 for his FC Career
Is that runs or not outs?
dan warna
19 Feb 2004, 20:50
i agree, bevans FC career has been spectacular, all that and no easy runs facing the NSW bowling line up!:D
still anyone want to do the breakdown of how many runs he got from the milkmug/shield tournament as opposed to slaughtering british pie chuckers in their so called first class competition?
same with the Shnozz mk2?
Originally posted by dan warna
still anyone want to do the breakdown of how many runs he got from the milkmug/shield tournament as opposed to slaughtering british pie chuckers in their so called first class competition? Bevan's "milkmug" record is awesome.
However if you split it up into at the SCG and away from the SCG... then you'd notice a stark difference.
harry_hawka
19 Feb 2004, 21:03
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
A bit of both, but the idea of three openers going on tour isn't exactly a new idea.
Besides, Elliott can bat at 3, and has done in thr past.
I'm not saying he will go, just saying he deserves to. Anything wrong with that?
No nothing wrong with that. Apart from the fact that adding "besides, Elliott can bat at 3" adds nothing to your argument. I heard a guy called Ricky Ponting is a fair number 3, and is probably secure in the side for the next year or 6. He'd be in the same boat as Hayden and Langer in that he is very unlikely to get injured, and can't be dropped because of form.
I agree 100% with you and the rest that his form obviously deserves to be rewarded, however there is simply no place for him in the team at the moment. Given our bowling stocks look pretty slim, and our middle order could possibly become unstable, it'd be ridiculous to bring a spare top order batsman (no matter what form they've been in). No question that Elliott deserves to go, however I'd be very shocked if he does go.
P.S. I'm a big fan of your work on the cricket board, phat, and I always respect your opinion, but is it just me or have you been a bit over-sensitive on certain issues this week??
IceTemple
19 Feb 2004, 21:39
Originally posted by harry_hawka
P.S. I'm a big fan of your work on the cricket board, phat, and I always respect your opinion, but is it just me or have you been a bit over-sensitive on certain issues this week??
Not just you noticing this harry_hawka. Phat is definately getting all nervous about the Pura Jug coming home and the footy season getting started!
I love Victoria but fair dimkum this whole NSW conspiracy thing is getting down right tedious! Steve & Mark, McGrath, Bevan, Slats, Tubby & Magilla are all hacks who should NEVER have been picked for the Australian side.
And let's face it, the Vics have never thrown up any hacks of their own!;)
dan warna
19 Feb 2004, 21:50
mmm
haven't seen too many slaps for steve waugh or mcgrath, and I for one haven't slagged off bevan in the ODI team (i was defending him!). also while I believe elliott is the second best opener in the land behind haydo's, langer hasn't done anything, nor do I believe martyn should be dropped. Lee, while a champion ODI bowler, has been 'carried' for the last three years in the test side.
I also believe lehmann and love deserve to continue their career, they have done nothing wrong.
I do believe however that katich shouldn't have been selected, but now that he has, he deserves a fair go. I think its a travesty of justice if clarke leap frogs other players into the test side.
IceTemple
19 Feb 2004, 21:58
I think its a travesty of justice if clarke leap frogs other players into the test side.
Based on that though, Ponting was a travesty as well. He turned out all right.
EagleBlue
19 Feb 2004, 22:15
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
A bit of both, but the idea of three openers going on tour isn't exactly a new idea.
Think you will find that taking 3 openers only happens for long tours such as England. The only time a 3rd opener would be considered would be if the incumbent openers were struggling, which is not the case here. As for Elliott batting at 3, that wont happen, we already have Ponting there. Elliott will not go to Sri Lanka (even though he deserves to) go as there is simply no spot for him.
An interesting comment that Elliott made earlier in the season which I think is relevant now is the fact he said he thought his International career was finished and was just concentrating on making runs for Victoria. Reverse pressure perhaps ????? Has certainly had the desired effect this year. Is it true he has now made the most centuries by a Victorian in a Shield season. (6)
With 2 games still to go that is an amazing effort. Wonder what the Australian record is.
dan warna
19 Feb 2004, 22:24
i think at the time AUs was desperate for any batting talent to support border and boonie.
and punter was dropped and asked to get some runs in the shield competition, which he duly did.
S.waugh started coming good after three years of now returns as well, and spanked the pommes, but can you imagine a player from any where else getting a three year chit?
however then the depth wasn't so great.
wayne phillips, andrew hilditch, geoff marsh, ritchie and a swag of others came, got the vice captaincy and were sacked (boonies secret was he wasn't made VC the second time around)
dr nick
20 Feb 2004, 05:47
Originally posted by dan warna
S.waugh started coming good after three years of now returns as well, and spanked the pommes, but can you imagine a player from any where else getting a three year chit?
you are an idiot. so you think he was a specialist batsman?
Originally posted by EagleBlue
Is it true he has now made the most centuries by a Victorian in a Shield season. (6)
With 2 games still to go that is an amazing effort. Wonder what the Australian record is.
7 - Matthew Hayden 1993/4
Snoozer
20 Feb 2004, 07:29
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
A bit of both, but the idea of three openers going on tour isn't exactly a new idea.
Besides, Elliott can bat at 3, and has done in thr past.
I'm not saying he will go, just saying he deserves to. Anything wrong with that?
Yeah great Idea..... Bring Elliott in to bat at 3 and leave Ponting out.
dan warna
20 Feb 2004, 10:27
martyn has been averaging about 40 over his "troubled" period, this still puts him amongst the best batsmen in the world.
if this is as bad as martyn gets, and he is the weakest link, then aus is certainly going ok.
cheers
Dan.
the joke is clarke and bracken and lee in the test side.
Cupido13
20 Feb 2004, 11:45
I have a couple of points to make:
Firstly, I can't understand how someone can support Damien Martyn (hasn't made a Test century for who knows how long now) and encourage the selectors to drop Justin Langer (2 Test centuries in the last series played).
Second, Hodge and Elliott both have the form and stats on the board to warrant Test selection, I don't think anyone is arguing that. The argument is, where is the place for them in the side, there is certainly no spot for Hodge. Outside of the openers, Ponting, Martyn, Lehmann, Katich, Love, Clarke, (and it seems now) Symonds are all ahead of him in the pecking order. And, all except Symonds deserve to be in front of him. People point at Clarke's lack of production in the longer form of the game, however he hardly gets to play it anymore because of ODI's. As for Elliott, Langer and Haydos are the best opening pair ever to play for Australia, so why would you bring Elliott in. Another country or another era and he would most likely have got the second chance that Hayden got and taken it with both hands just as Hayden has.
Finally, I just thought I would add how excited I am about the prospect of heated discussion when the Test squad is announced and Andrew Symonds is in it!!! Look out.
EagleBlue
20 Feb 2004, 13:06
Originally posted by dan warna
martyn has been averaging about 40 over his "troubled" period, this still puts him amongst the best batsmen in the world.
if this is as bad as martyn gets, and he is the weakest link, then aus is certainly going ok.
Yeah I would hate to have my worst batsman in the Redbacks side averaging 40 (or even 30). Nobodys doubting his talents (technically I think he is just about the best batsman in the side). Its his soft get-out shots that frustrate. Much like our former No4. Put Lehmann up to 4 and put Martyn at 5.
Fall Out Boy
20 Feb 2004, 13:08
Originally posted by Snoozer
Yeah great Idea..... Bring Elliott in to bat at 3 and leave Ponting out.
Yeah, that's clearly what i said. :o
Fall Out Boy
20 Feb 2004, 13:12
Originally posted by harry_hawka
No nothing wrong with that. Apart from the fact that adding "besides, Elliott can bat at 3" adds nothing to your argument. I heard a guy called Ricky Ponting is a fair number 3, and is probably secure in the side for the next year or 6.
I'd leave the sarcasm aside, we both know i wasn't advocating he take Ponting place. (Did i really have to just type that? :(
My point was that Elliott isn't exclusively an opener, and thus could cover for Ponting should he get injured.
We certainly don't have any ready made candidates to bat at 3 should Ponting suffer a mishap.
Fall Out Boy
20 Feb 2004, 13:14
Originally posted by Cupido13
The argument is, where is the place for them in the side
Certainly not my argument.
I said that Elliott should be in the touring party, not that he should walk straight into the side.
In fact, i've never said such a thing, moreso assumptions from others.
Fall Out Boy
20 Feb 2004, 13:17
Originally posted by IceTemple
Not just you noticing this harry_hawka. Phat is definately getting all nervous about the Pura Jug coming home and the footy season getting started!
I love Victoria but fair dimkum this whole NSW conspiracy thing is getting down right tedious! Steve & Mark, McGrath, Bevan, Slats, Tubby & Magilla are all hacks who should NEVER have been picked for the Australian side.
Fair enough on the first paragraph, but what has the second got to do with it?
I fail to the see the correlation given i've said nothing about NSW in this thread.
I highlighted Elliott's great form and stated that i believe he should be in the touring party. That is all.
Fall Out Boy
20 Feb 2004, 13:24
Originally posted by harry_hawka
P.S. I'm a big fan of your work on the cricket board, phat, and I always respect your opinion, but is it just me or have you been a bit over-sensitive on certain issues this week??
Probably have been.
But hey, it only brings me into line with 98% of bigfooty, so it can't be too bad.
I see no point putting Elliott in the touring party. He'll be sight seeing for the entire tour, and miss out on the Pura Cup final. As a Victorian, I want him here.
You get the feeling, from Border's comments in the paper this morning, that they recognise Elliott's good form, but they never considered him for a moment. "We like to hear that from all our players, that they're still keen to play for the country and given certain circumstances, form and an opening, he could get back in there." Classic deflection, especially the phrase "all our players".
Suits me to keep him here.
harry_hawka
20 Feb 2004, 18:52
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
I'd leave the sarcasm aside, we both know i wasn't advocating he take Ponting place. (Did i really have to just type that? :(
My point was that Elliott isn't exclusively an opener, and thus could cover for Ponting should he get injured.
We certainly don't have any ready made candidates to bat at 3 should Ponting suffer a mishap.
Sorry about the sarcasm, probably wasn't warranted, and it was quite late when I typed that.
Elliott is definitely there to replace one of the top 3 should they get injured, no question. Doesn't mean he should go on tour though.
harry_hawka
20 Feb 2004, 18:55
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Probably have been.
But hey, it only brings me into line with 98% of bigfooty, so it can't be too bad.
No, it's not necessarilly a bad thing, and yes it doesn't compare to the others of Bigfooty, it was just an observation on my part. It's getting towards the business end of the season, so maybe some nerves creeping in!!
Fall Out Boy
20 Feb 2004, 19:21
Originally posted by harry_hawka
It's getting towards the business end of the season, so maybe some nerves creeping in!!
No doubt.
You're right though, i have been like that in the last week or so, it is unintentional though.
harry_hawka
20 Feb 2004, 21:10
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
You're right though, i have been like that in the last week or so, it is unintentional though.
It must've just been one of those weeks that we all have every now and again! No need to worry about it though, you're due for a good one next week!