Carey 'fesses up!!

[macca23]

Intersting article on the AFL web site with Carey admitting he' never really got fit last year. IMO he's in for a boomer this year!!

http://afc.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=134390

From chalk to cheese: Carey
5:02:07 PM Fri 20 February, 2004
Alan Shiell
afl.com.au

Wayne Carey has admitted he told a ‘pork pie’ this time last year while drawing a ‘chalk-and-cheese’ comparison with his fitness.

“I think I sat here last year telling you I was feeling great, and I was lying to you – but you guys tell a few lies, too,” Carey said at a Wizard Home Loans Cup media conference at AAMI Stadium on Friday, ahead of the Adelaide-St Kilda first-round clash on Sunday.


“I feel a hell of a lot better now to what I did this time last year. I’m really looking forward to playing on Sunday, getting out there and playing against some quality opposition.

“I feel really good. This time last year I was on the sidelines. So to compare would be to compare chalk and cheese. I feel good but we’ll see how things go.”

Asked if he thought there was less pressure on him this year because he had not been in the spotlight so much, Carey said: “To be honest with you, I don’t really think about it. I’m like everyone else – like Ben (Hudson) and Scott (Stevens) playing their first games for the club.

“I go out there and have the same nerves as they’ve probably got. I really just want to go out there and perform well, and hopefully we can win the game.”

Did he feel any different, given he had said recently this would probably be his last season?

“I saw the end two years ago and I probably saw the end at the end of last year, as well,” Carey said. “But it is a funny feeling. That (story about retiring at the end of this year) got blown out of proportion a little bit. I did say that you never say never.

“But I’m definitely treating it as my last year. I really want to go about my footy this year as if it is my last, and who knows what can happen at the end of that?

“I’m just really looking forward to having a good year and obviously the club being successful. It’s always good to go out on a good note. We’ll just see what happens. Like I said, I’m playing every game as if it’s my last.”

Carey said he rated his 2003 season (16 games) as ‘pretty average’.

“It was injury-interrupted,” he said. “I never really got any training under the belt. I think now I’ve probably had all of the pre-Christmas and all of this pre-season, and I think I’ve missed (only) four sessions. And that’s after an arthroscopy so, really, it’s been completely different from last year.”

Asked about Adelaide’s attitude towards the pre-season competition, Carey said: “I think every game you go out to play, you try to win. We’re fielding a pretty strong side. There are only a few senior guys who aren’t playing.

“I think (coach) Gary (Ayres) has picked the side on what guys have done over the pre-season and how they’ve gone.

“(Former Werribee ruckman) Ben Hudson’s got a real appetite for the footy, he’s very competitive and he has a real go, so it will be interesting to see how he goes.

“Scott Stevens has played a bit of footy before (with Sydney). He’s a workhorse in the same mould as probably Mark (Stevens). He moves around very well and hopefully he’ll fit into our forward line nicely.”

On his and Adelaide’s goals for this season, Carey said: “Just to have a good year and a successful year. Hopefully I can contribute to a very successful Adelaide side. I believe we have the players to go to the next step. We just have to put it together on the ground, and it all starts on Sunday.

“One pre-season can make a huge difference. I just see the improvement in a few of the young guys around the club – Trent Hentschel, Brent Reilly, these sorts of guys who have really come a long way in one pre-season. They got a taste of it last year.

“There’s just a real good feeling. I think there’s a great blend of experience and youth, and I think we can give it a good crack.”

Carey described Mark Stevens’ knee injury as ‘a huge blow’ for the Crows.

“And me, as well, because he’s such a good player to have around you,” he said. “The way he attacks the ball – he draws one or two players when he goes to the ball.

“It’s a shame he’ll miss a bit of footy but hopefully he gets some good news in the coming weeks and he won’t be out for too long. Fingers crossed because he’s been an integral part of the Adelaide footy club for the last four, five or six years.”

[lozstar]

daaaamn, you had me worried by the title of the thread :eek:

thought it was something serious!

shame shame shame on wayne for lying. :p

hopefully we can get a better year out of him this year. *hopeful*

[Stiffy_18]

If Carey has as big a year as you are predicting macca23, then I think he will go on next year which is something I can't really complain about especially if Stevo calls it quits.

Even the King has a positive word to say about Trent Potential.:D

[Wayne's-World]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If Carey has as big a year as you are predicting macca23, then I think he will go on next year which is something I can't really complain about especially if Stevo calls it quits.

Even the King has a positive word to say about Trent Potential.:D

Your going keep pushing him up:)

Perhaps Macca's appraisal and feedback on his PS training was wrong:confused:

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
Your going keep pushing him up:)

Perhaps Macca's appraisal and feedback on his PS training was wrong:confused: Everyone else does. Might as well jump on the bandwagon:p

Yeah macca has been giving us a lot of ****:p. He only went to 3 or so sessions and he did say that Hentschel looked very good in one of them. Maybe he got him on a coulple of bad days.

[DaveW]

Right, so last year he was just telling us what we wanted to hear.

But this year, he MUST be telling us the truth.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by DaveW
Right, so last year he was just telling us what we wanted to hear.

But this year, he MUST be telling us the truth. I must say, exactly the same thought did cross my mind when I read this.

[macca23]

Originally posted by DaveW
Right, so last year he was just telling us what we wanted to hear.

But this year, he MUST be telling us the truth.

Ears can be deceived, eyes tell the truth.

Last year he was like an 80 year old cripple at Norwood and ended up with a hammy. He struggled all year after the year's lay-off and was just starting to get there when he was viciously attacked by THAT point post.

This year he IS fit. Anyone who saw him at Norwood Oval would have to be blind not to see that. He hasn't moved like that for at least 4 to 5 years - maybe longer.

All will be revealed on Sunday!!

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
If Carey has as big a year as you are predicting macca23, then I think he will go on next year which is something I can't really complain about especially if Stevo calls it quits.



The only way Carey won't have a good year this year is if he suffers a major injury.

He confirmed on TV tonight what he's told quite a few people - he thinks he's in for a good year, and if so would be a good chance to go on next year.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
The only way Carey won't have a good year this year is if he suffers a major injury.

He confirmed on TV tonight what he's told quite a few people - he thinks he's in for a good year, and if so would be a good chance to go on next year. Something that really got me thinking after watching the report on TV is the comment he made how our forward line will not be predictable as it was in years past.

I don't know if you have noticed from the trial but it appears we had a bit of an ovrehaul of our forward structure. 90% of the time we player with 4 forward using 2 "formations". We had Carey at CHF and Skippy (small crumber) and Scott Stevens on each flank with Perrie one out of the goal square and the second formation is when we had Carey and S. Stevens at CHF and Welsh and Perrie out of a goal square. Both worked well against lesser opposition.

Another thing that was eveident is that we are not as predictable. We used to bomb it long and hope someone marks the ball. Now we looked more efficient in bringing the ball inside 50 AND hitting the target. On a number of occasions players waited for a while for a forward option to present and 99% of the time picked the right option. OUr forward line in the past was somewhat "fixed" where a player had their position and worked within that area. I guess there wasn't much movement in the forward line in the past. Now the players keep moving positions which sometimes makes it hard for the opposition tofigure out what the hell is going on. I guess the forward line is a bit more "rotational" and the players are moving around all the time.

I think Jars might be onto something with the new forward line structure.

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Something that really got me thinking after watching the report on TV is the comment he made how our forward line will not be predictable as it was in years past.



Your summary of the variable 4 man forward line was very accurate Stiffy. How they lined up their forward structure and how it was delivered was in line with the training drill they've been practicing for weeks.

I liked it.

It worked well against the lesser opposition on Friday. Let's hope it works as well over the coming weeks.

We really did need to do something different after burning the ball repeatedly in our forward thrusts for the past 3 years.

[Crow-mosone]

Stiffy,
very interesting. I am not surprised that we using different sets and formations, as our delivery into 50 is our well known greatest weakness. Most times in, least efficient.
Who knows if it will work, but I guess we should have expected something radical.
We revolutionised the set plays at stoppages, and here's hoping we have again thought out of the box regarding our forward structure.

Injuries permitting I think we have pretty good forward line cattle, and if we can be more polished bringing it in then anything is possible.

it could be the unexpected 'x' factor improvement we have all been looking for.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Crow-mosone
Stiffy,
very interesting. I am not surprised that we using different sets and formations, as our delivery into 50 is our well known greatest weakness. Most times in, least efficient.
Who knows if it will work, but I guess we should have expected something radical.
We revolutionised the set plays at stoppages, and here's hoping we have again thought out of the box regarding our forward structure.

Injuries permitting I think we have pretty good forward line cattle, and if we can be more polished bringing it in then anything is possible.

it could be the unexpected 'x' factor improvement we have all been looking for. It cerainly looked different in the trial (not against Glenelg. That looked like **** overall anyway). A lot more movement than previously. Lot more rotations and taking a bit more time in picking the right option. I really look forward to see if it works against real opposition. If efficiency from the trial is anything to go by we have improved in hitting a target up forward. However, I thought we missed too many shots at goal. I expect 60% of shots to be converted in goals. I think we were about 50% mark. This is something I think we need to fine tune.

The forward structure looks different we are yet to see if its effective.

[dan warna]

yeah he was too busy ... {trashy post edited}

[macca23]

Originally posted by dan warna
fortunately most of the morans are dead now.



Strange that you can't spell moron correctly, given the fact that you are one.

P*ss off and go play in the traffic!!

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by dan warna
yeah he was too busy... {Trashy post edited} Off you go now.:rolleyes:

[dan warna]

Actually ... {trashy post edited}

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by dan warna


and you have already spent too long in kindergarten.

your parents must be so proud.

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I must say, exactly the same thought did cross my mind when I read this.

Except that last year in the preseason, everyone could see Carey wasn't on the track. This year, everyone can see, he was.

[ok.crows]

Originally posted by macca23
Your summary of the variable 4 man forward line was very accurate Stiffy. How they lined up their forward structure and how it was delivered was in line with the training drill they've been practicing for weeks.

I liked it.

It worked well against the lesser opposition on Friday. Let's hope it works as well over the coming weeks.

We really did need to do something different after burning the ball repeatedly in our forward thrusts for the past 3 years.

This is VERY good to hear.

The Crows have been in need of a re-vamp of their approach to entry into the forward 50 for about three years now.

[topjars]

Originally posted by lozstar

shame shame shame on wayne for lying. :p



Some things just never change

[topjars]

Originally posted by dan warna
Actually ... {trashy post edited}

WHY DONT YOU JUST **** OFF

[lozstar]

Originally posted by topjars
Some things just never change err.. i was joking.

[Wayne's-World]

Just want to restate my point about Carey "not being" slow, not able to take an overhead mark, and generally passed it.
I believe we will see why he has been considered one of the best players over the last 15 years, this season.
His level of professionalism too get himself to a level of fitness to go out on top is admirable. Some players creep out of the game, he wants to go out with a bang. If he he can stay fit, he will make an enormous impact to our season, and may still justify our purchase price.

[macca23]

Dear oh dear oh dear!!!

Michaelangelo Rucci, self-appointed Port Adelaide promotional machine, is upset that Wayne LIED to the media last year about his fitness.

I just heard the pompous, puffed up, self-righteous tool on 5AA, who said that HE was the conduit between the players and the public, and Carey had caused the media to lie!!

Cut your wrists Wayne - you are the first player, coach, official of any club in football history to have lied about a player's physical condition!!

Shame, Wayne, shame!! :rolleyes:

[macca23]

Just while I am talking about that tool Michaelangelo Rucci, self-appointed Port Adelaide promotional machine, did anyone hear his report on the Port Adelaide - Geelong match??

He is such a biased bastard - you would have thought that Port won by 20 goals, rather than lost by 20 points.

I know it's only a trial, but a bit of objective truth please Mr Rucci.

The public and even Port Adelaide deserve better, going by the standards you commented on for Wayne Carey.

[Stiffy_18]

macca23 spot on. I listened to that load of crap and I couldn't believe that he was upset by what Wayne Carey said. Talk about being precious.:rolleyes:

I wonder if he would have behaved the same way if it was someone like Matthew Primus instead of Carey who made those comments. He would brush it aside like as if it never happened.

One big negative of a footy season is having to put up with Rucci's bull****.:rolleyes:

[Wayne's-World]

Originally posted by macca23
Dear oh dear oh dear!!!

Michaelangelo Rucci, self-appointed Port Adelaide promotional machine, is upset that Wayne LIED to the media last year about his fitness.

I just heard the pompous, puffed up, self-righteous tool on 5AA, who said that HE was the conduit between the players and the public, and Carey had caused the media to lie!!

Cut your wrists Wayne - you are the first player, coach, official of any club in football history to have lied about a player's physical condition!!

Shame, Wayne, shame!! :rolleyes:

Sounds like someones ego got damaged:)

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I think Jars might be onto something with the new forward line structure.
I reckon we really are going to see the benefit of an ex-forward(/midfielder) coaching the forward line this year. AFC clearly have recognised we were inefficient in past years & looked to rectify this in training drills (in conjuction with better midfield delivery).

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by Kane McGoodwin
I reckon we really are going to see the benefit of an ex-forward(/midfielder) coaching the forward line this year. AFC clearly have recognised we were inefficient in past years & looked to rectify this in training drills (in conjuction with better midfield delivery). You wouldn't have said so from today's showing. Too Carey conceous for my liking.

[Stiffy_18]

Originally posted by macca23
Just while I am talking about that tool Michaelangelo Rucci, self-appointed Port Adelaide promotional machine, did anyone hear his report on the Port Adelaide - Geelong match??

He is such a biased bastard - you would have thought that Port won by 20 goals, rather than lost by 20 points.

I know it's only a trial, but a bit of objective truth please Mr Rucci.

The public and even Port Adelaide deserve better, going by the standards you commented on for Wayne Carey. Rucci does't really surprise me but whats with Chris McDermott.

Has Cain Ackland got some photos of Chris in a compromising position. He gave him a huge warp on Sportsnet today. Have I missed soomething, was he really that good??????:confused:

[macca23]

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Rucci does't really surprise me but whats with Chris McDermott.

Has Cain Ackland got some photos of Chris in a compromising position. He gave him a huge warp on Sportsnet today. Have I missed soomething, was he really that good??????:confused:

Chris McDermott must be demented - correction - IS demented!!

Read Macca19's comments on Ackland on the Port board. I saw it exactly as he did.

[Jerome]

For a predictable, bitter and twisted view of Carey's comments last week have a read of the serial sniper Fatprick's Smith's story in today's Australian. How this bloke gets to comment on AFL footy I don't know:

Toll of the bell tells no lie for Carey the crock

February 24, 2004
WE continue to learn about Wayne Carey. Last week he said he lied about his fitness at the start of last season. Carey said he was fresh and feeling great. He was fibbing. He was feeling poorly.

But the one-time champion said that was all right because "you guys (the media) tell a few lies, too". Well, the media do if they faithfully report what ageing centre half-forwards have to say about their comebacks.

We can tell some home truths, too, Wayne. Here is one you should mull over.

Quit the game now while your football reputation is not as battered as your personal one.

Let's look at last season. Sixteen games brought you 29 goals. You kicked four in your first appearance for the Crows in the forward pocket. You missed six games with a variety of injuries including recurring knee and calf problems as well as a hamstring tweak.

You finished eighth in the best and fairest but managed just two kicks against the Brisbane Lions in the second semi-final. You did not gain a Brownlow vote all year. Your own description of your first year with the Crows was pretty average.

Now let's look at this year. You played well against Norwood in a pre-season run-around. The Crows website breathlessly reported you shrugged off three opponents in the first half -- Adam Jago, Matthew Thomas and Heath Grundy -- whoever they are.

You already have had one visit to the hospital for knee surgery. A little clean-up.

You will be 33 in three months. You reckon you are in better shape than last year but you are now resting a corked thigh and were forced from the field against St Kilda on Sunday. Before that you took five marks and ended up with nine possessions.

You looked a little frisky early -- who doesn't -- but Max Hudghton is quick as well as brave and strong. The more your team-mates delivered the ball in your direction, the more the ball was rebounded.

You can't leap, you don't crash through packs, your second efforts are laboured. At one stage you grabbed the ball near the boundary line, baulked this way and that but were corralled as easily as a lame cow.

You took block half-way between full-forward and centre half-forward, compelling the other Adelaide tall forwards -- Scott Welsh and Ian Perrie -- to work around you. You were the broken-down transport truck in peak-hour traffic.

When you left the field, Adelaide began their resurgence. Welsh and Perrie began to find space and, in turn, the midfield found them. A dysfunctional forward line could suddenly function.

It is not for the media to tell old superstars when to hang up their egos but some need to be saved from themselves. Carey has already flagged that this might well be his last year. But there was the rider: "Who knows what can happen after that?"

We have been moved to call for Carey to step aside because the very same day he was stuck in traffic at AAMI Stadium we saw what Carey used to look like when he was 22. And it was awesome.

Jonathan Brown kicked five goals against Hawthorn in Launceston. He did it in the manner Carey played football regularly when he was fit, young and at the Kangaroos. Brown is a couple of centimetres taller and a few kilograms heavier than Carey. He is a mammoth man. As he flies for marks, his opponents appear to be abseiling down his body.

He is the presence Carey once was. He breaks packs, he flies over packs, and when he stands his ground, packs form all around him only to retreat like waves crashing off a rock.

For all that, Brown is never likely to be as good as Carey, for Carey is perhaps the greatest footballer Australian rules has seen.

Sadly, there was not a skerrick of evidence that that was case in Adelaide on Saturday. It's time to go. You said last week you were playing each game as though it was your last. Make that a promise.

Patrick Smith can be weekdays from 9.30am on Melbourne sports radio SEN 1116

[Crow-mosone]

Originally posted by Jerome

For all that, Brown is never likely to be as good as Carey, for Carey is perhaps the greatest footballer Australian rules has seen.



only bit of sense the whole article.
Btw I agree, I sometimes think people don't realise how good Carey really was.

[macca23]

While it is a cruel article, unnecessary and at times somewhat unfair, there is some modicum of truth about it as well.

Carey was positioned in a manner that gave Welsh and Perrie virtually no room to lead to. Do we blame him or the coach here?

He can't take marks overhead anymore, and mainly leads to the flanks, which is indirect footy. But he demands the ball so strongly we honour his leads - often at the expense of a better option.

He didn't play anywhere near as badly as the article implies. But our best footy by a long stretch was when he wasn't on the oval. That may or may not have still been the case if he had still been on.

We have to use Carey as the icing on the cake, because he no longer is the cake. Carey has to play closer to goal where we can get value for his footy smarts - either FF or the FP. FP for mine.