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The Hitman
13 Mar 2004, 13:30
After Collingwood’s 2002 grand final loss, captain Nathan Buckley vowed that they’d be back. He was right, but again the ‘Pies fell short, and Buckley made no such vow this time around. In-house, however, the club would be demanding to take the next step – to win Collingwood’s 15th premiership.
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Would be interested in the thoughts of Collingwood supporters, not just my kind over at HHQ.
Cheers,
The Hitman
leonmagic
13 Mar 2004, 13:39
this guys should probably get his facts straight - Luke Mullins was NOT picked up this year and im pretty sure Tarrant never "went missing" once last year...:rolleyes:
NICK THE PIE MAN
13 Mar 2004, 13:40
Good job Brett.
However, just a few things for your consideration:
Andy Williams wouldn't be in our best 22.
It's Brent Hall, not Chris Hall.
And we beat the Lions in the 2nd QF, not a EF. ;)
Besides those little tiny things it was a well-written piece.
Good job mate.
NICK THE PIE MAN
13 Mar 2004, 13:41
Originally posted by leonmagic
this guys should probably get his facts straight - Luke Mullins was NOT picked up this year and im pretty sure Tarrant never "went missing" once last year...:rolleyes:
Jesus. Easy up mate.
Considering he is a Hawks fan by nature, I think he did a great job. He is entilted to a few errors here and there. By the way, you saying Tarrant never "went missing once last year" is very debatable.
leonmagic
13 Mar 2004, 13:44
hmm....sorry i thought it was a pro - i take it back
and taz didnt go missing any more than bucks, burns or rocca did last year
The Hitman
14 Mar 2004, 13:48
Tarrant never goes missing?
Round 1 v Richmond: six disposals, no goals.
Round 10 v Port Adelaide: 13 disposals, no goals
Round 12 v Hawthorn: five disposals, no goals
Round 20 v Adelaide: 12 disposals, no goals
Grand Final v Brisbane: 12 disposals, one goal
I'd dispute that. Lockett never went missing. Dunstall never went missing. Tarrant goes missing, although he is getting more consistent.
The Hitman
Pretty fair summary Hitman. I would only question a couple of those who you feel have peaked. I think there is improvement left in Johnson for one, and hopefully Holland maintains the improvement he started to show last year.
Originally posted by The Hitman
Tarrant never goes missing?
Round 1 v Richmond: six disposals, no goals.
Round 10 v Port Adelaide: 13 disposals, no goals
Round 12 v Hawthorn: five disposals, no goals
Round 20 v Adelaide: 12 disposals, no goals
Grand Final v Brisbane: 12 disposals, one goal
I'd dispute that. Lockett never went missing. Dunstall never went missing. Tarrant goes missing, although he is getting more consistent.
The Hitman
Gee I hope you don't wear earings, they are gunna hurt as they scrap your insides when you get around to taking you head out of your harse.
I'm not saying Tazza doesn't go missing at times, but I am sure Lockett and Dunnybrush never went missing. Every player has an avrerage game every now and then.
leonmagic
14 Mar 2004, 16:40
13 and 12 possies for a FF is going missing????? bloody hell mate get off his back :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
He is a good player, and forwards tend to go missing often because the ball is not coming into the forward line very well or is not allowed to come in very well.
You have to remember 10 odd possessions from a forward is not bad because that should generally translate to about 3-6 goals on average.
He often heads a very long way out of goal when the ball is not travelling very well inside 50 or opposition teams are flooding.
When half the players on the field are in or around 50 then it gets hard to have any meaningful possession and that is something Brisbane loves to do in particular.
All Collingwood needs is to get the gameplan working alot better when teams flood. If they head inside 50 then have all but a handful move outside 50 and setup some of the big kickers outside 50.
If they do not follow their players outside 50 then you will have alot of loose players just outside the scoring zone.
superfraser
14 Mar 2004, 16:58
was well written, and ur arguements could all be argued :)
however, 8th?
i would like to challenge you to name 7 sides who are better then us.
although, it is a prediction, and at this stage of the season, no one knows what will happen.
Al Bundy
14 Mar 2004, 17:45
Malthouse is getting fed up of many players who seem to fallaway when needed. He is getting fed up & being in the last 2 GF has not been able to draft as well. Rumblings will begin to happen should they falter & not make the finals this year.
Heard that there could be a slim chance he might leave when his contract is up similar to Blight as he feels that his word is not being listened to. Time will tell.
leonmagic
14 Mar 2004, 18:24
not too sure about malthouse being unhappy but if thats what you heard...
he seems VERY proud of his side and even delivered this quote after are pathetic display last year:
"i shouldnt say it, but geez i love them"
doesnt really sound like an unhappy coach to me
labrooy
14 Mar 2004, 19:35
MM has around him the youngest list in the AFL with a history of being able to match it with the best in the league. Any coach worth his salt would love to have a young, talented side like that. Do you think Grant Thomas would quit the Saints because of their disappointing performances last year?
wrennyboy
14 Mar 2004, 22:28
Round 1 v Richmond: six disposals, no goals.
2 words to describe that is Darren Gasper
Originally posted by The Hitman
Tarrant never goes missing?
Round 1 v Richmond: six disposals, no goals.
Round 10 v Port Adelaide: 13 disposals, no goals
Round 12 v Hawthorn: five disposals, no goals
Round 20 v Adelaide: 12 disposals, no goals
Grand Final v Brisbane: 12 disposals, one goal
I'd dispute that. Lockett never went missing. Dunstall never went missing. Tarrant goes missing, although he is getting more consistent.
The Hitman
12 disposals usually means around 6 goal assists for Tarrant. If he was selfish in his kicking for goal, and confident in his goal kicking ability, those number would appear more attractive.
Tas - I think our gameplan is fine when teams flood, we don't play very direct football, only when bursting out of clearences. Last year there were many occasions where it the teams have flooded and we chip around until we find the best option.
Hitman has got his years mucked up concerning Luke Mullins and the draft.
We have the youngest list on the competition, although that doesn't mean much since the difference between each team is very small. Having said that our best 28 or so is inexperienced. The improvement should come from young players like Didak, Cole or Lonie, all oozing of class. Also if Woey can have a big year and O'Bree to get back to some form it would help.
I think we have too much upside to be counted out. Guy Richards needs to do at least 30% of the ruckwork this year. As I have stated many times I believe Josh Fraser is a ruckman, his tap work is kind of like Leon Davis, shows flashes of brilliance but not enough.
IMO this is will be our best 22 of 2004
B: Johnson, Wakelin, Clement
HB: J.Cloke, Prestigiacomo, Cole
C: Lonie, Buckley, Woewodin
HF: O'Bree, Rocca, Davidson
F: T. Lockyer, Tarrant, Didak
Fo: Fraser, Licuria, Burns
Int: Richards, Walker, Holland, R.Shaw
Emg: C.Cloke, Williams, B. Shaw
Bowman Nixon could get around 10 games as a tagger.
Didak should play 55/45 midfield/forward like a Brad Johnson type.
The Hitman
15 Mar 2004, 06:08
I don't know why Collingwood fans don't rate Williams. A small/medium sized flanker who is a very strong mark could be very dangerous. I think he has a lot more talent that Walker or Cole, but obviously they play very different roles.
The Hitman
Williams wishes he had more talent the Cole but unfortunately for him he hasn't.
He is on a par with Walker.
Collingwood people don't rate Williams that highly because they see him week in week out playing soft footy.
If either of the two younger Shaws come on this season Williams will not get a look in.
labrooy
15 Mar 2004, 08:09
Originally posted by The Hitman
I don't know why Collingwood fans don't rate Williams. A small/medium sized flanker who is a very strong mark could be very dangerous. I think he has a lot more talent that Walker or Cole, but obviously they play very different roles.
The Hitman
He is a great mark for his size and very creative. However, as Murray says, he is also very soft and easily taken out of a game. When the cruch comes he is more of a liability than an asset, hence we don't rate him.
To be totally honest I would have Ben Kinnear in the team ahead of him because at least BK tries to the best of his ability.
Originally posted by leonmagic
this guys should probably get his facts straight - Luke Mullins was NOT picked up this year and im pretty sure Tarrant never "went missing" once last year...:rolleyes: He did against Hawthorn.
Originally posted by The Hitman
I don't know why Collingwood fans don't rate Williams. A small/medium sized flanker who is a very strong mark could be very dangerous. I think he has a lot more talent that Walker or Cole, but obviously they play very different roles. He's handy when he's good but when he doesn't play really well he is a passanger. He played about 3 or good games early last sedason and then barely got a kick until dropped very late in the season. Personally I blame him for Rupe's delisting. Give me Rupe any day. I'd also still rather have Adkins than Williams. At least Adkins had up-side. We have seen what Williams can do. Tom Davidson will do it all better soon enough.
It will be a huge bonus if Williams can have a good year.
guess_who
15 Mar 2004, 17:43
I rate Willo very much, will get a game in round one def, Clement, Lockyer, Rocca all not playing, Scotland left, soooo its looking thin, all three vice captains not playing...
labrooy
15 Mar 2004, 18:58
Originally posted by guess_who
I rate Willo very much, will get a game in round one def, Clement, Lockyer, Rocca all not playing, Scotland left, soooo its looking thin, all three vice captains not playing...
Of those three only Rocca is hard to replace, last year's GF proved that. If we can't beat Richmond without that trio 2004 is going to be a long year.
Didn't we beat Richmond last year with a very understrength side? I seem to remember doing it at some stage, be that at the beginning of the year, or in the ther game.
Originally posted by MarkT
He did against Hawthorn.
Yep, the only Collingwood game he saw for the year.
Originally posted by Joel
Didn't we beat Richmond last year with a very understrength side? I seem to remember doing it at some stage, be that at the beginning of the year, or in the ther game.
It was round 1.