J Begley: quiet achiever [Archive]

acg_204*

10 May 2004, 01:54

He's go such clean skills that you don't notice the guy out there because he never fumbles and always spots the target. Again...except for that one kick out.

I've been a big fan of his since coming from the Saints and was dissappointed with his lack of game time last season and early this year, but things look to be on the up:D

Kane McGoodwin

10 May 2004, 10:31

Originally posted by DaveW
Yeah Begley was good on Friday night.

I think he quietened down Burgoyne I think? Gave us a bit going forward too.
Not sure what he was up to Friday night, but he sure did shut down the dangerous S Burgoyne Saturday night. ;) What I like about Begley is he is a smart footballer & you can't have enough of them. Looks like he is more suited in the backline.

Jars458

10 May 2004, 11:46

Has been tremendous in the past month.

A real quality addition to the list.

Our trading has been spot on most of the time (carey aside perhaps)

Fergus

10 May 2004, 12:22

Begley has been very good and has actually filled a void that opposition teams used to exploit us on - the very quick small forward. He plays it smart by keeping himself between his opponent and their goal which means they can't turn him inside out. He has collected some very nice scalps in the last month or so.

Kick ins worry me a bit but apart from one shocker he has done well.

Stiffy_18

10 May 2004, 13:07

Now they come out of the woodwork :p A lot of you were bagging him last year.

A real find who has good skills and is versatile. He is just what the doctor ordered when it comes to small forwards.

He has been terrific since he came back in but he is being wasted in the back pocket IMHO.

MarksGirl-kbcrowgirl

10 May 2004, 13:15

Personally........I have always admired the talents of James Begley! ;)

k
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Kane McGoodwin

10 May 2004, 13:18

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
He has been terrific since he came back in but he is being wasted in the back pocket IMHO.
Disagree, as I reckon he has found his niche in the backline. IMO, we have harder running & better wingmen, so he should stay in defence.

dyertribe

10 May 2004, 13:22

macca23

10 May 2004, 14:00

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Now they come out of the woodwork :p A lot of you were bagging him last year.

A real find who has good skills and is versatile. He is just what the doctor ordered when it comes to small forwards.

He has been terrific since he came back in but he is being wasted in the back pocket IMHO.

Not guilty Stiffy!! ;)

I'm a Begley fan, and after watching pre-season training predicted Begley to be one of the big improvers this year.

I'm with Kane though - he's not being wasted in defence at all. Because he can play tight and has speed, he's the answer that we've been waiting for a long long time to counter small speedy forwards like Milne, Matera etc, with a huge height advantage on them for good measure.

He's also a good HB flanker and a handy wingman, but at present, I wouldn't be even half tempted to move him.

Stiffy_18

10 May 2004, 14:47

What I am saying is that Begley is better than the back pocket position would suggest. As dyertribe said, Begley and Massie give us 2 attacking HBFers who can run the lines and deliver the ball to our forwards. Begley has better skills than Massie and his delivery would me more deadly. Thats what I was saying when I said he has been wasted in BP.

Having said that I agree that Begley has been fantastic on small forwards and already to date he has stood the likes od Milne, Farmer and Shaun Burgoyne and got the better of them. For now he should stay in BP but in the long run I think he will be played either as a HB flanker or a wingman.

Crow-mosone

10 May 2004, 20:27

Begley is a talent, and you can never have enough of that in your side.

Wayne's-World

10 May 2004, 21:28

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Now they come out of the woodwork :p A lot of you were bagging him last year.

A real find who has good skills and is versatile. He is just what the doctor ordered when it comes to small forwards.

He has been terrific since he came back in but he is being wasted in the back pocket IMHO.
You know I was reading the posts B4 yours and thinking the same thing.
Can't remember all this support in the PS chat.
In fact I don't think he was generally rated in our best 22.
But he is talented, will get better, and has leadership qualities, which although he may not obtain the AFC captaincy, you can never have enough leaders in good sides.

dyertribe

10 May 2004, 21:35

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
Now they come out of the woodwork :p A lot of you were bagging him last year.

You had me in a mild panic there - but I just did a keyword search "BEGLEY" on my past posts and I've come through with flying colours :D

spindoctor

10 May 2004, 22:25

I've been impressed with him since his first game in Crows colours.

Interestingly a good source has told me he doesn't spend all that much time with the Crows 'boys club', likes to do his own things with non-Crows mates. Possibly why we never hear much about him.

Stiffy_18

10 May 2004, 23:21

Originally posted by dyertribe
You had me in a mild panic there - but I just did a keyword search "BEGLEY" on my past posts and I've come through with flying colours :D No you were right. It was a few others that had a dig or 2 and made a mountain out of a mole hill.

Begley has talent and leadership qualities. Has nice skills and will become a very good player with more experience. I think Begley and Massie are capable of providing us with a lot of run off HBF.

Wayne's-World

10 May 2004, 23:24

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
No you were right. It was a few others that had a dig or 2 and made a mountain out of a mole hill.

Begley has talent and leadership qualities. Has nice skills and will become a very good player with more experience. I think Begley and Massie are capable of providing us with a lot of run off HBF.
He has been supplying the run out of the backline, usually done by Hart.

Stiffy_18

10 May 2004, 23:33

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
He has been supplying the run out of the backline, usually done by Hart. He has BUT not to the extent that he can be. I think if played further up the ground he could provide ****loads of rebound and his foot skills are generally good. His skills would mean better delivery to the forwards.

As much as I LOVE Kris Massie and he would make my team ANY day, his foot skills aren't as good as Begley's and as a result his disposals are wasted at times. But you can't doubt him. He is just a goer who gives 110% week in week out.

Wayne's-World

10 May 2004, 23:39

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
He has BUT not to the extent that he can be. I think if played further up the ground he could provide ****loads of rebound and his foot skills are generally good. His skills would mean better delivery to the forwards.

As much as I LOVE Kris Massie and he would make my team ANY day, his foot skills aren't as good as Begley's and as a result his disposals are wasted at times. But you can't doubt him. He is just a goer who gives 110% week in week out.
I agree I Love Kris Massie.
Could he graduate to a tough midfield role in the future?

Can't believe people were calling Begley slow.
He gives the team a lot of flexibility, and his foot skills are excellent.
Was always of the opinion he was never fit, at St Kilda.

Stiffy_18

10 May 2004, 23:45

Originally posted by Wayne's-World
I agree I Love Kris Massie.
Could he graduate to a tough midfield role in the future?

Can't believe people were calling Begley slow.
He gives the team a lot of flexibility, and his foot skills are excellent.
Was always of the opinion he was never fit, at St Kilda. I don't think Massie will be a full time midfielder but he could be a pinch hitter. He is best suited to HBF I reckon

Begley is far from slow and you are right he has really struggled with injuried with St. Kilda. He has had a lot of shoulder problems with Saints but he said that in the last 2-3 years his body has been fantastic and he only missed 6 games of footy with a busted thumb. I reckon he is one of those late draft steals at #68 :D

Wayne's-World

11 May 2004, 00:03

Originally posted by Stiffy_18
I reckon he is one of those late draft steals at #68 :D
There was a bit of talk that the crows were interested in begley, prior to St Kilda drafting him. But at the time he was pretty skinny, and questions were asked whether he would be physically strong enough.

just maybe

12 May 2005, 19:33

Funny how the tide turns and people are sniping Begley and calling for him to be top of the chop at season's end.

Mong

12 May 2005, 19:55

Looks like this guy knew what he was talking about. ;)

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2805978&postcount=120

Sorry, I shouldn't gloat but when you only very rarely turn out right it's nice to advertise that fact.

Edit: I should add, there's still time for him and I hope he ultimately proves me to be wrong. It's not looking good at the moment though.

dyertribe

12 May 2005, 20:14

Funny how the tide turns and people are sniping Begley and calling for him to be top of the chop at season's end.

Possibly because we're in a rebuilding phase and Begley has clearly gone backwards in the past two years after his initial strong start with the club back in 2003 and glimpses of class offered in 2004.

He's 24 (25 in July), has been in the system since 1999 and is still performing like an inconsistent rookie - you could argue his tilt at journalism via Channel 9 isn't helping either - as Denis Pagan once told a young Eddie McGuire at North U19 training, "it's one or the other son, you can't do both." Is he fully committed to the club or does he already have one eye on life after footy, which in all seriousness could begin in under four months?

So while it's honourable of you to fly the flag for Begs - as you've done in the past with our mediocre brigade - I'm not sure what you're getting at. The onus is on Begley to step up and save his (football) career now, we should be saving the gold passes for the members.

just maybe

12 May 2005, 20:21

Actually dyertribe, this thread was started about a year ago, so I fail to see where your '2 years' thesis come from. Secondly, it is only this season his form has been down. He has barely had any gametime and been in and out of the side...hardly a good way to regain your form after injury.

His best is far from mediocre. This is not a Doughty. And you're a revisionist - I've always supported Doughty, yes. Not as a topline player, which he never will be, but as one of the better of our second-tier ball-carriers and users. Even you've had to admit that. You always had him first on the delists, yet he is far better than many other on the chopping table.

topjars

12 May 2005, 20:26

Is this thread taking the P I SS?

Begley is over rated IMO.
How he was considered captaincy material staggers me. Its surely not because of on field leadership. :p

dyertribe

12 May 2005, 20:27

Actually dyertribe, this thread was started about a year ago, so I fail to see where your '2 years' thesis come from.

I know that. You'll note I said "glimpses in 2004" - on the whole he's been far down on his fine form of 2003, capice?

Secondly, it is only this season his form has been down. He has barely had any gametime and been in and out of the side...hardly a good way to regain your form after injury.

I think you'll find Begley's entire career is defined by patchy form not helped by injury. His best block of form was his run in 2003 where he was finding plenty of it and using it well - he has regressed since.

His best is far from mediocre.

You could say the same for the likes of Kris Massie. Unfortunately this is AFL football and you can't carry players forever in the hope they'll come good. Begley has had seven seasons over two clubs to perform to the level he's capable of, but it simply isn't happening.

At the moment he is a passenger - as I said, the onus is on him to start performing.

just maybe

12 May 2005, 20:30

With Massie and Begley on opposite HB-flanks we really do have the ability to run through the lines and create havoc turning defence into attack - something we haven't really seen since the halycon days of Smart and Goodwin.

Note this, dyertribe? Posted last year? Ie Begs was not just showing 'glimpses', but was very consistent up until his injury.

His only 'decline' has been in his games so far this year, which have been, as I said, quite possibly up to misuse of him on return from injury.

topjars

12 May 2005, 20:40

just maybe we wont see Begley for a long time :)

dyertribe

12 May 2005, 20:40

Note this, dyertribe? Posted last year? Ie Begs was not just showing 'glimpses', but was very consistent up until his injury.

His only 'decline' has been in his games so far this year, which have been, as I said, quite possibly up to misuse of him on return from injury.

Uh-huh, you began this thread on 10-5-04 and I replied on the same day, after Begley had turned in an encouraging performance against Port Adelaide where he provided us with some run and drive (without being good, third straight week he'd turned in nine possessions) - however, as with Massie I expected a lot of improvement - in 2003 Begley was amassing the odd 25+ possession game and really looked the goods.

A few weeks after this thread was started he was injured again, and has since come back and been sub-standard. As I said, the onus is on him to prove us (you seem to be in the minorty on him) wrong.

just maybe

12 May 2005, 20:46

Uh-huh, you began this thread on 10-5-04 and I replied on the same day, after Begley had turned in an encouraging performance against Port Adelaide where he provided us with some run and drive (without being good, third straight week he'd turned in nine possessions) - however, as with Massie I expected a lot of improvement - in 2003 Begley was amassing the odd 25+ possession game and really looked the goods.

A few weeks after this thread was started he was injured again, and has since come back and been sub-standard. As I said, the onus is on him to prove us (you seem to be in the minorty on him) wrong.

Rubbish, utterly irrelevant. He was not playing deep in the backlines in 2003, so the 'odd 25 possession game' is an utterly ridiculous comparison. You cannot expect him to be turning up those figures when he was playing in defense. He was providing good negation, run, precise kicking and rebound. This thread was made after a 9-possession performance in which he negaed Burgoyne and those 9 possessions were all useful, which is why I wrote the damn thread. For someone who seems to have a great depth of understanding of football, why do you resort to crass idiotic measures of performance like raw possessions? When it suits your argument maybe?

Then he was injured - and be aware, he only had ONE more game before this season.

So ONCE AGAIN I point out it has only been this season, after a crap pre-season, that he has been poor, and you dribble crap like '2 years of bad form'.

Just admit you were wrong about that and it has been only this season his form has been poor.

outback jack

12 May 2005, 20:48

Funny how the tide turns and people are sniping Begley and calling for him to be top of the chop at season's end.

how did you know to find this thread?? It suggests you must have another username on here doesnt it?

And that thread was a bit of comedy wasnt it. Good to see some of our regular posters say how great the champ would be. I think someone even went on about massie. Oh the shame :eek: :D

Good thing the board has a far more balanced and critical view these days, there was nothing but agreeing in this thread. :)

Mong

12 May 2005, 20:50

how did you know to find this thread?? It suggests you must have another username on here doesnt it?

Or he knows how to type Begley and click 'search'. ;)

dyertribe

12 May 2005, 20:52

Rubbish, utterly irrelevant. He was not playing deep in the backlines in 2003, so the 'odd 25 possession game' is an utterly ridiculous comparison. You cannot expect him to be turning up those figures when he was playing in defense. He was providing good negation, run, precise kicking and rebound. This thread was made after a 9-possession performance in which he negaed Burgoyne and those 9 possessions were all useful, which is why I wrote the damn thread. For someone who seems to have a great depth of understanding of football, why do you resort to crass idiotic measures of performance like raw possessions? When it suits your argument maybe?

Then he was injured - and be aware, he only had ONE more game before this season.

So ONCE AGAIN I point out it has only been this season, after a crap pre-season, that he has been poor, and you dribble crap like '2 years of bad form'.

Just admit you were wrong about that and it has been only this season his form has been poor.

Have you ever been able to debate football with me (or others) without flying off the handle, Spindoctor? I get the feeling you'd argue with yourself under the right conditions.

Let's just agree to disagree before you give yourself a hernia. ;)

just maybe

12 May 2005, 20:57

I was not flying off the handle. Oh yes, calling something rubbish or utterly irrelevant is flying off the handle. Funny definition you have there, dyertribe.

I'm just trying to strongly emphasise how utterly boggled am that you won't back down from this '2 years' trash, which you can't even back UP.

outback jack

12 May 2005, 21:02

Or he knows how to type Begley and click 'search'. ;)

hey mong :cool: well i was wondering why you would do this unless you knew what your were looking for. Surely heaps of threads would come up??

dyertribe

12 May 2005, 21:06

I'm just trying to strongly emphasise how utterly boggled am that you won't back down from this '2 years' trash, which you can't even back UP.

So you're saying that his 2004 was equal to his 2003?

Mong

12 May 2005, 21:09

Fair enough Jack. Dyertribe had to spell it out before the penny dropped with me. I wasn't aware who just maybe was.

Spindoctor probably had to hide his identity to escape the stalking of Michelangelo Rucci. :D

macca23

12 May 2005, 22:28

1. how did you know to find this thread?? It suggests you must have another username on here doesnt it?

2. And that thread was a bit of comedy wasnt it. Good to see some of our regular posters say how great the champ would be. I think someone even went on about massie. Oh the shame :eek: :D

3. Good thing the board has a far more balanced and critical view these days, there was nothing but agreeing in this thread.

1. Is there a doctor in the house?

2. Crap on, jack. Form in footy is a transient thing, and at the time people called it as they saw it. If they all liked what they saw, why wouldn't they agree? Begley had always had pretty good form before this year, and at the time of this thread, had carved up a succession of small forwards as he had the pace to go with them.

3. You sure have added that necessary balance poise and class with your criticisms jackie boy. You really crack me up. ;)

just maybe

13 May 2005, 01:25

So you're saying that his 2004 was equal to his 2003?

In terms of possessions, no. In terms of his actual role in the side and effect of his performances, better.

spindoctor

13 May 2005, 01:27

And Mong, so what if I changed my name? As you can see, I was not permanently banned, I just chose to have a refreshment of account.

Stalking Rucci? Why would I bother with that ferret? Enough people on this board attack him without any further input from me.

Mong

13 May 2005, 12:26

And Mong, so what if I changed my name? As you can see, I was not permanently banned, I just chose to have a refreshment of account.

Mate why would I care? I never said there was anything wrong with it. Jack brought it up. The only comment I had was that I only just just realised you had changed your name. I'm the last person to care about something like that.

Stalking Rucci? Why would I bother with that ferret? Enough people on this board attack him without any further input from me.

I was only joking. I remember a time when Rucci had a bit of an obsession with you.

spindoctor

13 May 2005, 18:36

Rucci did? I thought it was Stiffy he was quoting? He never really said anything to or about me as far as I know?

Mong

13 May 2005, 19:19

Wasn't he trying to get you to reveal your real identity, spinny? Wasn't he attempting to converse with you by sending emails to RooDog, who would then post Rucci's emails on here?

Ah, yes. Thought I was going crazy for a minute there. This is what I was talking about.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123553&highlight=rucci