View Full Version : Scratcher's kid and Tyson somebody...
On the way back from KP i was listening to the 5th qtr on K-Rock footy and somebody called up asking about 'Tyson' somebody or rather. Mick Turner mentioned he was quite a talented young 16-year old (Obviously in the district, apparently he is in close contact with the Falcons) and then went onto say he played in some Vic-Country competition with Scratcher's son.
Just wondering when we could be drafting Scratcher, and if anybody has heard of this Tyson kid?
The main reason I ask this is kind of elaborating on the Jade Rawlings saga and how we struggle to attract franchise players. If we're going to become a force without acquiring the services of already-made superstars, we're going to have to draft local talent and develop them into superstars - Ablett, Scarlett, Bartel, Moloney etc...
It suddenly occurred to me whilst watching the replay (and reading a couple of articles throughout the week about the Highway from Hell) that perhaps playing down at Skilled Stadium really dissuades potential recruits from joining the club. Like, they have a bad experience with the 'hostile' crowd or with their accommodation etc.. I dunno, is there something in that? Or do they just see Geelong as a hole, away from the night life of Melbourne?
Anyway, back to the original topic...Has anyone heard of this Tyson kid (and is he any good) and when do we get Scratcher's son?
Also, any father-son's this season?
Fall Out Boy
18 May 2004, 21:32
The Tyson mentioned would have been Tyson Stott.
Originally posted by Shaitan
Also, any father-son's this season?
From my understanding we have none available this season.
EDIT: Just found out that Che Turner is playing U-18's local football for Barwon Heads. Anyone got the dig on why he's not in the TAC team? Not up to scratch?
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
The Tyson mentioned would have been Tyson Stott.
The one that plays for Geelong West St. Peters?
Originally posted by GeeCat
The one that plays for Geelong West St. Peters?
Yes, Geelong West! That's the one!.
Anybody shed any light on him?
Fall Out Boy
18 May 2004, 22:39
Don't know anything about him, however when i watched the Vic Country U-16 team play a few weeks ago, i didn't notice him at all.
Geelong had 12 boys playing, the ones i noticed were Neal, Boak, McVilly, Sheringham and Bartram.
Fall Out Boy
18 May 2004, 22:40
BTW No legitimate f/s this year, however we have Neal next season, and Couch the season after.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
Don't know anything about him, however when i watched the Vic Country U-16 team play a few weeks ago, i didn't notice him at all.
Geelong had 12 boys playing, the ones i noticed were Neal, Boak, McVilly, Sheringham and Bartram.
14 wasn't there? Regarding Neal and Stott, looking back at their junior careers they both seem like legitimate goalkickers as well.
http://westernbulldogs.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/person/288502ac.jpg http://gfc.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/article/110844ar.jpg
Stunning resemblence I must say. Here's hoping Jacob plays just as good ;)
Fall Out Boy
18 May 2004, 22:54
Originally posted by GeeCat
14 wasn't there? Regarding Neal and Stott, looking back at their junior careers they both seem like legitimate goalkickers as well.
The team sheet i have here lists 12, don't know how many actually took the field though.
Fall Out Boy
18 May 2004, 22:55
Originally posted by GeeCat
http://gfc.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/article/110844ar.jpg
Can't half tell who his old man is.
In the Scratcher mould of ugliness, can't wait to see the children of the Hocking brothers. Could be special.
Originally posted by phatandphreaky
The team sheet i have here lists 12, don't know how many actually took the field though.
Strange; the team sheet I have lists 14. I thought perhaps only 12 took the field was the reasoning of our differences.
Dinga_19
19 May 2004, 10:57
Apparently Scratcher's son has a bit about him. I am in contact with his dad as he coaches up here in brisbane so i'll ask him something about his son next time.
Turbocat
19 May 2004, 22:37
Has anybody got some data on young JN. body shape. height, speed, foot skill etc.If like his old man he would be a welcome addition to any team.
Cat In A Hat
20 May 2004, 00:48
are we getting too preoccupied by thinking years in advance that a father-son is automatically going to be good?
Its almost bad in some respect because the club is kind of pressured into picking up father=son players when in some circumstances they may not be worth a 3rd rounder.
Give the kids a chance to play their footy weve already lost Nathan Ablett because of pressure we dont need more casualties.
Turbocat
20 May 2004, 18:12
I know what you meanCIAH and I have said myself to give up on the NA perpetual pursuit (see not even mentioning the name).But the interest in future father son picks is a result of the current draft system taking over from zones.The only chance to look through the keyhole at the talent that your team will have a chance to get if they are good enough.In the past there would have been more of a emphasis on the talent in your teams local area but now the only talent one can get with absolute certainy is F/S. The other thing to realise is if the talent is too precious ,too fragile then perhaps they aren’t the package we are looking for. Look at GA, look at the name he’s learnt to live with, look at the circumstances that were around as he progressed thru the Falcons and into the Cats. If there up it, the raising of there names will probably not worry them!!
Sammy D
20 May 2004, 20:52
Originally posted by Cat In A Hat
are we getting too preoccupied by thinking years in advance that a father-son is automatically going to be good?
Its almost bad in some respect because the club is kind of pressured into picking up father=son players when in some circumstances they may not be worth a 3rd rounder.
Give the kids a chance to play their footy weve already lost Nathan Ablett because of pressure we dont need more casualties.
Good point. Best thing ive seen you post.
If they arent worth a third round i guess the club would leave it, and if they had later picks and he was still available they'd look at him i spose
swarvay
20 May 2004, 22:01
Scratcher is bout 185cm, 74kgs very quick ova twenty and good indurance.
Stotty is good but not that good! Another Trent Croad. Just an athlete.
Sheringham state 100m, 200m, 400m champ and Bartram 3rd in state cross country.
Jim Boy
20 May 2004, 22:34
I guess another reason why we like to talk about father-sons is that at least we know who we might be getting. If we had a high pick in the National draft, then things might be different Looking at our stats, I realised that Tenace was the highest draft pick we've had since Stephen Hooper in 1990!!!! Although that is ignoring the compensation picks we got for losing Stephen Reilly (who at that time was a gun defender) and Andrew Wills to freo.
Turbocat
21 May 2004, 13:42
Thanks Swarvay
There is an article in todays Hun about F/S picks.
It mentions the same issue of to pick or not to pick and risk being embarrassed. It says over the period of the draft the ave games played for a F/S is 40.
Geelong, I feel has been excellent in the picks they have taken. Scarlo and GA will Hall of Fame type players for our club. We have been unlucky with Wooly but that happens to all clubs and sometimes with very early picks. Even the much maligned David played just short of 100 games. Considering there might not have been much between a lot 3rd round players available to be drafted , the negative side of not picking them could have a far worse effect on the club than at least giving them a chance. Imagine if they had decided if GA was not worth a 3rd and let him go and some other club picked him up.
The article also talks up another possible kid for the Cats, Jumpin Jack Hawkins son , Tom . Apparently about 195 and just the type of player could use.
The hard part about F/S is if we have more than 1 to pick from and judging if they are worth a 2nd pick. When we got Scarlo and Wooly it was 3rd and 4th. To use a 2nd pick it has to be more obvious that he has talent. Apparently Hawkins would be 05/06 which puts him in the zone of Neal and Couch but maybe at 195 he could be worth a 2nd round by then, who knows.
Cats lie in wait for next Hawkins
21 May 2004
Herald Sun
Jon Anderson
MAY 14, Main Oval, Melbourne Grammar School: Lean, lanky Tom Hawkins lines up on the forward line as undefeated Grammar takes on Scotch College.
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Making waves: Tom Hawkins in action.
The Cordner-Eggleston Cup is played in front of a chanting private schoolboy crowd, 146 years after the two school teams helped form our great game.
Hawkins looks like a new-born foal, all legs and ribs, as he bounds around Melbourne Grammar's forward line with unbridled enthusiasm.
Watching from the boundary line is his father Jack, these days a Riverina farmer but 25 years ago one of the best centre half-backs in the VFL.
Hawkins pulled on the Geelong jumper 182 times before a knee injury ended his career aged 27 in 1981.
Also watching Tom Hawkins, who at 16 and in Year 10 is one of the youngest playing, are Geelong's football operations manager Garry Davidson and Kangaroos' recruiting manager Neville Stibbard.
Stibbard is there to watch players such as Xavier Leslie, the grandson of Carlton's 1961 Brownlow medallist John James, and a Year 10 Scotch College sporting protege named Nick Smith.
But he can't help notice the obvious athletic talents of Hawkins.
"He's going to be a beauty," notes Stibbard as Hawkins jumps for a mark.
"He has a terrific frame to build on and is just the type of player Geelong would be looking for.
"When he played two weeks ago against Brighton Grammar their coach Francis Jackson rang and said this kid came out of nowhere and started taking huge marks."
Hawkins takes a mark or two more and plays his part in Melbourne Grammar's nine-point win, two weeks after kicking four on debut against Brighton Grammar.
He leaves the ground in the No. 26 worn by his father at Geelong, blissfully unaware of what is likely to take place down the track.
That is when Geelong will start having to make what remains the toughest recruiting decision in football.
Do you use a third (and possibly second) round draft pick on the son/sons of former players as Collingwood and Geelong have both done six times in six drafts, or do you run the risk of being embarrassed?
The Kangaroos chose the latter when ignoring Jim Krakouer's son Andrew in the 2000 draft, and have been hurt, while Tim Clarke (Hawthorn, son of David from Geelong) has yet to cause the Cats genuine pain.
The reality is that Hawkins, at 195cm and full of bounce, will be taken by Geelong in 2005-2006 if he continues to develop, for his type of player is rare.
Geelong has another in Nathan Ablett, the second son of Gary, but he has distanced himself further from the AFL by refusing to play with Modewarre seniors and returning to their under-18s.
Like Ablett, Hawkins has impeccable bloodlines, his father Jack having been named at centre half-back in Geelong's team of the half century (1946-96).
He also has uncles in Michael and Rob Hawkins who both played senior football at Geelong, plus a grandfather on his mother Jenny's side in Fred Le Deux, who played 18 games with the Cats from 1956-58.
Should he one day be selected by Geelong Hawkins will join fellow father-son draftees such as Matthew Scarlett and Gary Ablett.
As Ablett and Scarlett have shown, father-sons can change the face of a club very quickly, although the last 18 years shows that more than half of the 49 selected haven't managed 10 senior games.
It's a rule that has been tinkered with consistently since its hazy inception, believed to date back 50 years to when Ron Barassi Jr went to Melbourne.
It's now set at a requirement of 100 games and a third-round draft pick, with a second-round pick required should two be nominated in the same draft.
The 49 father-sons selected since the draft began in 1986 have totalled 2003 games for an average of 40 matches.
But when you get a good one, they can be really good, as evidenced by Ablett, Jonathan Brown, Ben Cousins, Luke Darcy, Dustin Fletcher, Ashley McIntosh, Matthew Scarlett and Lance Whitnall.
It's why recruiting managers hope and pray for their champion players to produce sons and not daughters.
Take St Kilda, where three club legends in Nathan Burke, Danny Frawley and Tony Lockett total 10 daughters between them.
Likely father-son selections in this year's national draft include Luke Blackwell (Carlton, son of Wayne) Travis Cloke (Collingwood or Richmond, David) Mitchell Morton (West Coast, Noel) and Jesse Smith (Kangaroos, Ross).
Turbocat
21 May 2004, 15:20
Thanks Geecat
Jim Boy
21 May 2004, 16:57
Originally posted by GeeCat
Cats lie in wait for next Hawkins
21 May 2004
Herald Sun
Jon Anderson
blah...blah...blah...
The Kangaroos chose the latter when ignoring Jim Krakouer's son Andrew in the 2000 draft, and have been hurt, while Tim Clarke (Hawthorn, son of David from Geelong) has yet to cause the Cats genuine pain.
LOL as if that was ever going to happen. Tim Clarke saying he didn't want to be drafted by the cats was one of the best things to happen to us in recent years. And the player who we might not have drafted with the pick Tim would have occupied? C. Ling.
Now that would have been genuine pain
Turbocat
23 May 2004, 21:56
Heard on KRock that Tom Hawkins was in the rooms.
Smart move Cats.Wouldn't that just wet his taste buds for the future, Big game ,Huge crowd, great win !!!
The HUN had an article on young Andrew Walker returning to play school footy yesterday for Caulfield in a match against Melbourne Grammar. Further down the article it had a little info on young Tom Hawkins performance.
"Going into yesterday's game Melbourne Grammar was second to undefeated Haileybury on five wins from six games, while Caulfield was 3-3.
But despite Walker dominating in the first quarter Melbourne Grammar ran out comfortable 31-point victors.
And two of Melbourne's dominant players in front of a host of AFL scouts were Year 10 country lads Tom Hawkins and Xavier Ellis.
Hawkins, who is available to Geelong under the father-son rule, via his dad Jack, kicked five goals from full forward before dominating the ruck.
Ellis, a left-footed wingman from Bairnsdale, turned the game with a decisive third quarter thanks to his sublime skills. "
Very promising by the sounds of things.
Turbocat
25 Jun 2004, 21:55
Yes, promising to the max.Kicking goals and Rucking,195 at 16, (would he be finished growing, maybe not?).O My Goodness, come on down!!
If he marks like his old man ,and has reasonble footskills he could be the player to put the icing on the cake.His old man was only an average kick so I look forward to reports on this side of his game but at Year10 playing against Y11 and Y12, Yeah Baby.
Same question from earlier posts in this topic is still pertinent.
If no FS this year but then Neal,Couch and Hawkins in 05/06,We will probably have to use a 2nd round but going by our recent perforamces one might expect that by 05/06 our 2nd round might be quite deep, almost a 3 round.The FS system is biased towards sides that finish higher up the ladder which suits us fine cause that where we are heading.