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itsintheblood
26 May 2004, 10:34
Tigers still in turmoil
By Caroline Wilson
May 26, 2004


The Richmond Football Club is facing further financial and political turmoil, with an expected 2004 loss of $2 million and several key positions, including that of chief executive Ian Campbell, under serious review.

President Clinton Casey's depleted board will meet next week in the knowledge that at least five former Tigers - Ian Stewart, Barry Richardson, Rex Hunt, Emmett Dunne and Brendon Gale - have rejected invitations over the past two months to return as directors.

With the AFL keeping a close eye on the club's finances, savage cost-cutting this season means the team will travel to Subiaco for Saturday's clash against West Coast without an interchange steward, statisticians or coach Danny Frawley's regular whiteboard assistant.

The football department has been instructed to restrict its travel party for the club's five interstate fixtures this season.

The club's poor start to the season and a spectacular black hole in the club's marketing and corporate sales has led Campbell's projected profit - estimated at the end of last year at between $250,000 and $600,000 - to plummet to a record loss.


The former Nike executive, who has overseen improved membership figures in 2004 but is now expected to preside over big losses in his first two seasons, will have his performance closely assessed at the end of the season. Coach Danny Frawley's contract also expires at the end of 2004.

And Casey's board remains vulnerable to challenge following the resignation of three directors - Brendan Schwab, Peter Welsh and Michael Daddo - on the eve of the season. The defeat of Tony Jewell in the January club election means that Richmond is the only Victorian club without a former player on its board.

Casey, who guaranteed the club a $300,000 loan in December 2003 to help its desperate cash flow, remained unavailable for comment yesterday despite several calls from The Age.

The president's guarantee was overridden in March by a $3.2 million bank loan that came via an AFL guarantee, which is to be taken out of the club's $4 million dividend at the end of the season.

While the club has privately conceded it will lose at least $2 million in a worst-case scenario, it continues to deny it has put in place a strategy to apply to the AFL for further assistance via the competitive balance fund - a seven-figure facility already used by the Bulldogs and the Kangaroos, and for which Melbourne will officially apply next month.

But the stark reality of 2004 is that massive losses have been recorded in the marketing and corporate support areas, with the President's Men coterie group virtually halved from 49 members in 2003 to 25 in 2004. The cost of a President's Men membership, which includes finals series tickets, is $8500.

While the club moved last year to outsource most of its corporate functions to Elite Sports Properties, a deal with the group was not signed until March this year.

With eight members of the Tigers' marketing department sacked, made redundant or choosing to resign late last year, the staff shortage meant a significant drop in corporate support and mid-level sponsorship that has cost the club hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Richmond's deal with its major sponsor, TAC, expires at the end of this year.

ESP is believed to have paid the Tigers an estimated $250,000 to take over the club's corporate functions until at least the end of 2006.

Richmond always has struggled to keep up with successful clubs in the corporate area and remains disenchanted with its home stadium, the MCG.

A Tiger deputation will hold talks with Melbourne Cricket Club officials next week

itsintheblood
26 May 2004, 10:43
I guess the bottom line is continuous mediocrity on the field leads to financial oblivion and instability off it.

I hold grave fears my fellow tiger colleagues. :( :( :mad: :mad:

tiger of old
26 May 2004, 10:55
most of it is old news.

cheers!

itsintheblood
26 May 2004, 11:18
Looks like the titanic revisited!!!

Coach Required
26 May 2004, 13:05
im absolutely stunned that a club that has increased its membership to 27,000 can make a 2 million dollar loss.

Hell even if we had 40,000 members this club still wouldnt know how to budget.

I seriously hope that Miss Wilson is terribly wrong with these forcasts, because its not good news even if the rumours of this loss has been around a few months.

drekker
26 May 2004, 13:16
put simply, short term we need a cheaper club to run, which can only mean developing our own young players, and not keeping old tryhards and recriuting high priced players from other clubs.

Once we develop a new team and get on field success, off field success will follow. Nobody is going to sponsor a losing club, or buy expesive membership packages, to go and watch their team get flogged week after week.

Orange sponsor Essendon because they can take their corporate guests to Essendon matches KNOWING they will be competitive on field 95% of the time, win or lose.

Captain Blood
26 May 2004, 13:24
Our Club is already in the sh*tter

itsintheblood
26 May 2004, 13:33
Originally posted by Coach Required
im absolutely stunned that a club that has increased its membership to 27,000 can make a 2 million dollar loss.

Hell even if we had 40,000 members this club still wouldnt know how to budget.

I seriously hope that Miss Wilson is terribly wrong with these forcasts, because its not good news even if the rumours of this loss has been around a few months.

It staggers me also. How can a club turning over say $12m lose almost 20% of it whilst having the same salary cap as most other clubs and supposedly be almost debt free?? Are we debt free indeed??

Clinton Casey has sent this club to the wall. Does he manage his retirement villages as badly? We could end up seeing a lot of elderly people in the streets if he does. BRING BACK LEON!!!

froars
26 May 2004, 13:36
BRING BACK LEON!!!

I second that!

1980
26 May 2004, 13:53
If you want Leon back, make sure he's getting his advice on football matters this time from someone other than Mal Brown.

Khan
26 May 2004, 14:32
Originally posted by itsintheblood


The Richmond Football Club is facing further financial and political turmoil, with an expected 2004 loss of $2 million and several key positions, including that of chief executive Ian Campbell, under serious review.

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While the club has privately conceded it will lose at least $2 million in a worst-case scenario, it continues to deny it has put in place a strategy to apply to the AFL for further assistance via the competitive balance fund - a seven-figure facility already used by the Bulldogs and the Kangaroos, and for which Melbourne will officially apply next month.

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Caro is just writing an opinion peice and as per normal it is the worst case that has the Tigers fans going, buying newspapers and faoming at the mouth. In her own articule she states that the two million figures is both a fact as well as a worse case situation. In my business (IT) we often on long term projects, make plans that includes the worse case, the best case and what is expected to be the situation at projects end. Caro has equated the worse case and the expected as the same.

I also am not happy with how any of the finances for the club is being handled or reported. The club itself needs to put out a statement disputing this in some manner, or no one would want to sponser the team. The problem I have with a lot of writers in the media at the moment as they dont have to name the source you never know what the actual situation is. In Richmonds case it could quite easily be one of the ex boad members. In the second example above because the club denies that it is asking the AFL for money, Caro by using the example of the other clubs implies that it actually is.

The ex players who have all turned down positions have also said part of the reason for not joining is that they are two busy in what they are doing. Benny for example is a lawyer and has the sunday footy show. Rex calls two to three games each week and is becoming the Fish and Chip king of Melbourne. Maybe rather than being suspicous and led by an unsubstanciated claim we might beleive what the people them selves have acutually said.

I hope we aren't in this finaicial situation but if we are then we'll fight our way out of it. If it means dumping the board, coach , players etc. then we will do it. But lets do it at the end of the season when we can do it correctly.

However at the moment while we are working of opinions from the media I refuse to panic. Be concerned but dont panic.



Keep Roaring

Khan

SaveFeriss
26 May 2004, 14:39
Originally posted by 1980
If you want Leon back, make sure he's getting his advice on football matters this time from someone other than Mal Brown.


Stuff leon!

Soon as my pay is in today Im of to the Clairvoyant and going to get her to channel G. Richmond.

I will listen closely to the man then will return to Melbourne and be incarnated as the New Head of RFC, and I will hold and be responsible for managing every position from the bloke (or sheila) who sweeps the floors to the barman!!

On match day I will be alone in the coaching box with the clairvoyant who will alternate between channeling G. Richmond and The Captain himself.

And If anyone gets in my way, I will get her to channel Stalin himself so fear ye, fear ye!

The Tigers will be back!

itsintheblood
26 May 2004, 14:42
Originally posted by SaveFeriss
Stuff leon!

Soon as my pay is in today Im of to the Clairvoyant and going to get her to channel G. Richmond.

I will listen closely to the man then will return to Melbourne and be incarnated as the New Head of RFC, and I will hold and be responsible for managing every position from the bloke (or sheila) who sweeps the floors to the barman!!

On match day I will be alone in the coaching box with the clairvoyant who will alternate between channeling G. Richmond and The Captain himself.

And If anyone gets in my way, I will get her to channel Stalin himself so fear ye, fear ye!

The Tigers will be back!

Channel G Richmond sent us broke remember? Didnt he let G raines, D cloke, and B taylor go to the scum?

SaveFeriss
26 May 2004, 14:49
Originally posted by itsintheblood
Channel G Richmond sent us broke remember? Didnt he let G raines, D cloke, and B taylor go to the scum?

Ok, waht would you prefer..

that I channel Lee Harvey Oswald, fly to Melb, take a seat in the light towers, and pick off Brittain et al..???

Then channel them back into the coaches box.

I wouldn't mind seeing Neville back at the club.

Coach Required
26 May 2004, 14:54
Leon can sod off too

his time was responsible for building that money hungry players egos that we have today. (gaspar & holland are examples)

daffy and co are original proto type example which started the rot at Richmond, forced to carry these overated players for years because of absurd contracts, leaving us mediorce and years behind the rest of the competition in gaining some decent players

1980
26 May 2004, 15:02
Originally posted by itsintheblood
Channel G Richmond sent us broke remember? Didnt he let G raines, D cloke, and B taylor go to the scum?

How many premierships did we win under GR? How many did we win under Leon?

itsintheblood
26 May 2004, 15:39
Originally posted by 1980
How many premierships did we win under GR? How many did we win under Leon?

Have we ever recovered after the GR era? Yes he won flags but look at us now? We went into a trading war with the scum and have never recovered.

1980
26 May 2004, 15:53
We've had 22 years to recover. More than enough time.

Agree 100% that Daphne was fantastic for us off the park. We didnt have problems with corporate sponsers like we do now, and financially we were in great shape.

But he made a lot of blunders about football matters. He mismanaged Northey's exit, hired coaching duds like Walls and Geischen, overpayed players like Daffy, and underpaid/underrated paying players like Maxfield. And he relied too much on what Mal Brown had to say. He's not clean.

Having said that, very few ppl on this board would prefer Casey over Daphne returning to the club. So lets compare Daphne's record against Casey's, not against GR's.

cairo tiger
26 May 2004, 16:01
20 years of bad management and we are now suffereing beause of it, we have blokes in admin who cannot do their sums, who are in it for their own good and who have no footy smarts...e.g in recruiting we get hacks and we have not got a coaches jockstrap.....this was awlays a year of pain but it irraitates me that we have people who do not know how to run the place fair dinkhum i am dead set i could do a better job.

tigerdan
26 May 2004, 16:03
The only way I will raise my opinion of Casey is if he does a Gutnick and donates **** loads of cash to the tigers. Tax deductible if he gives it to the JDF.

IIRC Daphne never had a year where we posted a loss (granted, the profits were not huge either). He also didn't add the JDF money to our books.

I am worried about our administration. They can't seem to do anything right.

Coach Required
26 May 2004, 16:04
Originally posted by cairo tiger
20 years of bad management and we are now suffereing beause of it, we have blokes in admin who cannot do their sums, who are in it for their own good and who have no footy smarts...e.g in recruiting we get hacks and we have not got a coaches jockstrap.....this was awlays a year of pain but it irraitates me that we have people who do not know how to run the place fair dinkhum i am dead set i could do a better job.

nominate for the board next year Cairo, you have my membership vote.

smasha
26 May 2004, 17:52
We need free Prozac as part of next years membership.

And the pain continues............

Piping Shrike
26 May 2004, 18:34
Originally posted by tigerdan
The only way I will raise my opinion of Casey is if he does a Gutnick and donates **** loads of cash to the tigers. Tax deductible if he gives it to the JDF.

IIRC Daphne never had a year where we posted a loss (granted, the profits were not huge either). He also didn't add the JDF money to our books.

I am worried about our administration. They can't seem to do anything right.

I seem to remember Mal Brown complaining that JDF money was being added to the books to make them look good, and I think it was in Daphne's time.

tigerdan
26 May 2004, 19:01
Not the way I rememebr it but I will stand corrected.