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Rodgerramjet
27 May 2004, 03:28
More face the axe at Richmond
By Greg Denham, Australian Football
May 27, 2004
THE transformation of the Richmond Football Club, which began yesterday with the sacking of club chief executive Ian Campbell, will lead to the axing of coach Danny Frawley and most of his foot ball department at the end of the season.

Following the Tigers' 78-point thrashing by Port Adelaide last weekend, their fifth loss in the first nine rounds, director of football Greg Miller is expected to be one of the few survivors at Punt Road.

The retention of Miller could have a dual purpose should Richmond attempt to lure Carlton coach Denis Pagan away from Optus Oval, where he is in the second year of a three-year contract.

Miller was the chief executive of the Kangaroos when Pagan was coach and the pair were the major instigators of the club's 1996 and 1999 premierships.

Richmond's overhaul began yesterday with Campbell's axing after little more than 12 months in the position.

The Tigers are believed to have already earmarked Campbell's successor. President Clinton Casey will act in an interim role, as he did in 2002-03, before the new appointment is made official.

With five wins from his past 23 games, the Richmond board has lost patience with Frawley and most of his support staff.

It is believed at least seven players will be also told to leave, including high-profile full-back Darren Gaspar, who is under contract until the end of 2006.

Gaspar, who has struggled for form since a knee reconstruction last year, could be enticed back to Perth with West Coast yesterday confirming it would bid for his services at a reduced price.

For the past 16 months, at the insistence of Casey, Richmond has put most of its financial resources into a football department which has not achieved required results.

Campbell has left Punt Road after presiding over financial losses in consecutive years and a boardroom crisis this year in which three directors resigned.

"It was probably a mutual thing," Casey said yesterday. "We have got a heavy business plan moving forward which requires a special skill-set. It is an enormous task and Ian thought it best he move on, and we agreed to that."

Casey said he had canvassed sponsors and the AFL executive about a replacement. "The CEO's position is very intricate; you only have to look at the turnover to realise how tough it is," he said.

"We will find the person to fast-track us back into the black. We know the sort of person required and I don't expect it to be months before he is in place.

"In a funny way, it's a perfect time. Membership is all but done, sponsorship locked down and now we focus on next year's figures.

"When you make senior appointments, you don't like to make mistakes. It can hurt you, and this one hasn't worked out."

Richmond's most recent profit – slightly more than $300,000 – was in 2002 under chief executive Mark Brayshaw.

After an operating loss of more than $1.2 million in 2003, the Tigers are heading for a loss this year of anywhere between $1m and $2m.

Campbell informed his board before Christmas last year he expected a worst-case scenario of a break-even situation in 2004.

In March this year, Richmond's cash flow problem was so severe it sought an AFL redirection order for the first time.

The league put a $4m redirection facility in place at the ANZ Bank a month ago, allowing players to be paid on time in April.

The AFL guaranteed Richmond via its $4.08m annual dividend to all clubs.

It is understood the AFL is worried that Richmond has only enough cash to operate for another two months, before additional revenue is needed for the Tigers to trade beyond July.

Casey, who said yesterday he still had a personal guarantee of $1.6m over Richmond's debt, also said the Tigers were yet to fully activate the $4m bank redirection.

Richmond sources yesterday said Campbell's problems were his inability to generate revenue and a dismal failing to meet budget forecasts.

The Tigers' 2004 revenue is more than $1m down on budget despite a 15 per cent increase in membership from last year to 27,100 so far this season.

Richmond posted an official loss last year of $882,000, but that was flattered by a $400,000 donation from the Jack Dyer Foundation, established for capital works, but used as income for accounting purposes.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,9670280%255E2722,00.html

londontiger
27 May 2004, 04:02
Fcuk me.

This is almost implosion Time at our Club.

Gasper - Great to see the bloke shown the door, but what a way to announce it.

And Pagan? Great if it comes off, but at what cost will he come to the Tigers now?

I think unfortunately this could deliver Richmond the spoon this year - without priority picks.

Casey, I want answers.

tiger of old
27 May 2004, 08:50
got to love these speculative journo,s.:rolleyes:

cheers!

wrennyboy
27 May 2004, 09:57
Holy ****!!!!

What an article

The retention of Miller could have a dual purpose should Richmond attempt to lure Carlton coach Denis Pagan away from Optus Oval, where he is in the second year of a three-year contract.

This would be very good if it happens i really think. Good to see the board acting and miller is taking over the club well done mate.

It is believed at least seven players will be also told to leave, including high-profile full-back Darren Gaspar, who is under contract until the end of 2006.

Whoa!!! That is big news. I wonder who the other 6 players are. I think we could get some good from gasper going back to WA. We could get a good defender i hope.

Any thoughts on the other players?

nineteen eighty
27 May 2004, 10:23
This kind of news should not be a surprise to anyone...same old same old over the last 20 odd years. Year after year of on field misery has been parraleled with off field incompetence. This is just maintaining the status quo. Alarm bells were ringing when Welsh and others resigned from board at start of year. Failing to get a qualified person to then accept a position on the board was a further indictment (apart from Mithen...f*ck me, what a get).

Year after year I hear this sh(t and year after year I resign myself to another bad couple of years. The pity about all of this is that current administration problems usually carries on for at least a couple of years from an on field perspective. Oh the f*ckin joy....

As for which players wont be around, I think it's pretty obvious and this was discussed in a previous thread. Not sure if I agree with Gaspar being moved on though. At his best, he is an AA backman. Granted he is not at his best but he is coming back from a knee reco. I have a funny feeling that if he is traded end of year, it'll come back to bite us in the form of AA selection in 2005. Isn't that always the case?

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113850

Coach wise, I will be thrilled if Pagan comes to Punt Rd. I just can't see it happening though. Wallace is the man I think we should target at all costs. Dirty rotten fighter and I want him to instill those qualities into the playing list. I'm sick of other teams feeling sorry about us Tiger supporters...I want to be hated like St Kilda is this year.

oxx
27 May 2004, 11:33
No surprise here.

Coach Required
27 May 2004, 11:47
this stuff should have been done last year, its all good to say that at Richmond we have had enough but we hear this similar stand every year!

I have one question for our president in regards to this comment "It was probably a mutual thing," Casey said yesterday. "We have got a heavy business plan moving forward which requires a special skill-set. It is an enormous task and Ian thought it best he move on, and we agreed to that."

why the hell did he hire this guy in the first place??

i could understand if campbell had been around for a few years but 12 months? what a joke talk about making a scape goat out of campbell.

not only should Richmond continue the mass sacking but Casey should also sack himself.

1980
27 May 2004, 13:59
Marketing guys make lousy CEOs.

But gee, my memory's not what it used to be, but didnt Miller resign from the Roos when they passed him up for the CEOs job and gave it to some guy from the AFL who Fat Eddie objected to?

Why doesnt Miller want the CEO job this time?

And if this silly board thinks Miller can get us Pagan, I reckon Tom Hafey should be made CEO so we can get Sheedy. Or Yabby should be made CEO so we can get Matthews. Silly stuff

CJH
27 May 2004, 14:34
Originally posted by 1980
Marketing guys make lousy CEOs.

But gee, my memory's not what it used to be, but didnt Miller resign from the Roos when they passed him up for the CEOs job and gave it to some guy from the AFL who Fat Eddie objected to?

Why doesnt Miller want the CEO job this time?

And if this silly board thinks Miller can get us Pagan, I reckon Tom Hafey should be made CEO so we can get Sheedy. Or Yabby should be made CEO so we can get Matthews. Silly stuff

Miller was the CEO for the Kangaroos for a period and made a complete mess of it. Just as marketing men don't make good CEO's, football managers don't necessarily either.

And this irony is not completely lost on me...

One of the best performed CEO's going round at the moment is Brian Waldron... who was given the flick by us as Football Manager! :eek:

itsintheblood
27 May 2004, 15:05
Originally posted by CJH
Miller was the CEO for the Kangaroos for a period and made a complete mess of it. Just as marketing men don't make good CEO's, football managers don't necessarily either.

And this irony is not completely lost on me...

One of the best performed CEO's going round at the moment is Brian Waldron... who was given the flick by us as Football Manager! :eek:

I don't rate Brian Waldron at all. All at stkilda have been blessed with lowly finished and high draft picks. End of story.

Coach Required
27 May 2004, 15:13
Originally posted by itsintheblood
I don't rate Brian Waldron at all. All at stkilda have been blessed with lowly finished and high draft picks. End of story.

that still might be the case but they still had to recruit those players, not like us pettifer, fiora need i say more?

anyway I think you would find theres alot of kids in the 10th to 20th pick bracket who are just as good as kids in the 1 - 10 bracket.

would be interesting to see the stats over the past 5 years.

cairo tiger
27 May 2004, 15:44
Casey says he isafter a specific set skil base type person-what the hell is that?

it is the same old same old. I want answers, why are we so much in the red? it is simple bloody math.

why do we get imcompetant players who suck our blood? get rid of them and play kids who want to make a carreer out of afl footy.

Whys do we get a coaching team that is poor and un accountable?

I have a mate who is grass roots and he has a business background, with the right push he could throw his name into the ring...he is grass roots he is a mad tiger a footy person and he has skills...why cant he be given some publicity? will clinton take someone like this on board? he could do no worse than corporate high flyers...
he could do a great job....

itsintheblood
27 May 2004, 15:51
Originally posted by Coach Required
that still might be the case but they still had to recruit those players, not like us pettifer, fiora need i say more?

anyway I think you would find theres alot of kids in the 10th to 20th pick bracket who are just as good as kids in the 1 - 10 bracket.

would be interesting to see the stats over the past 5 years.

The CEO is not in charge of recruiting players is he???? I thought this was up to the coach and footy manager.

tigerdan
27 May 2004, 16:08
The buck stops with Casey. He has to be accountable for the situation we find ourselves in. At least Daphne was true to his word and 'walked' when Gieschen did.

I don't know how Casey can become a multi millionaire on one hand and leave us high and dry on the other.

Pagan would be a great get, but I can't see it happening. More chance with Sheedy, and I don't like our chances there either.

Dan

TheFoxhat
27 May 2004, 17:04
And if you can't belive what you read in The Truth ,then what can you belive....:p :p :p

Some people tend to belive everything the papers write , i don't coz most of it is crap anyway....:o :o :o :o :o

1980
27 May 2004, 17:52
Originally posted by CJH
Miller was the CEO for the Kangaroos for a period and made a complete mess of it. Just as marketing men don't make good CEO's, football managers don't necessarily either.

And this irony is not completely lost on me...

One of the best performed CEO's going round at the moment is Brian Waldron... who was given the flick by us as Football Manager! :eek:

Like I said, my memory's not what it used to be.

But marketing men dont make good CEOs in any company, let alone a footy club.

Nevertheless, I was all for the club having professionals with biz backgrounds run the club. But these days I believe that only a Richmond man can run this footy club and its politics. Not to say Miller is under question, he's great. But there's a lot more to what doesnt work at the RFC than football matters.

And just to contradict myself even further, I hope Brian Cook gets the job.

1980
27 May 2004, 18:00
Originally posted by cairo tiger

I have a mate who is grass roots and he has a business background, with the right push he could throw his name into the ring...he is grass roots he is a mad tiger a footy person and he has skills...why cant he be given some publicity? will clinton take someone like this on board? he could do no worse than corporate high flyers...
he could do a great job....

Cairo, get a grip. A lot of us have business backgrounds. Running a footy club is a very unique type of business. Mad tiger supporter is not the only required credential.

Can your mate bring in 5 new blue chip corporate sponsers? Daphne got them and look at what he does for a living. Fat Eddie gets them but look at his public profile and exposure he gives Scum sponsers on Ch 9.

We need at least half the board to be made up of former players that know the history, politics and other intangibles of this club. AND understand footy issues, and come from a winning culture. Good luck convinceing them just because you're a mate of Cairos

cairo tiger
27 May 2004, 19:29
why dont you get a grip 1980. Name me successful adminsitrators and how many games they played. I put up my mate because he is passionate, he has skills inthe business field and he knows how die hard supporters feel. As a whole we are frustrated by our business decisions yourself included, so i put up my mate who is sick of the direction we are taking. I reckon he would be willing if we get enough support. He has a lot of business acumen. The question is COULD HE DO ANY WORSE? NO.COULD HE DO BETTER-YES!.

cairo tiger
27 May 2004, 19:33
also do not start me on Daphne, he locked us into high money deals for Knights, Richo, Daffy and Campell this nearly broke the club! A bloke who is a self made millionaire may not be the only requirement we are looking at, how about basic common business sense?

Darth_Tiger
27 May 2004, 23:55
this journalist from my perspective is just making up hype to sell an article. none of it is based in fact and frankly i doubt if there is any truth in it at all. Denis Pagan to coach the tigers? Yeah and Miller is going to lure Johnathan Brown down from Brisbane to come and be our captain. Give us a break. Also there is no way Gaspar would be earmarked for sacking this early in the season. This is a joke. just a poor attempt to whip up richmond hysteria and sell papers.

Crumden
28 May 2004, 00:00
Collins thinks Carlton are paying Pagan too much + Pagan knows Miller = Pagan is coming to Richmond

and

2 + 2 = 27

1980
28 May 2004, 14:12
Originally posted by Darth_Tiger
this journalist from my perspective is just making up hype to sell an article. none of it is based in fact and frankly i doubt if there is any truth in it at all. Denis Pagan to coach the tigers? Yeah and Miller is going to lure Johnathan Brown down from Brisbane to come and be our captain. Give us a break. Also there is no way Gaspar would be earmarked for sacking this early in the season. This is a joke. just a poor attempt to whip up richmond hysteria and sell papers.

DT Agree that most of the article is rubbish, but not sure the journo made it up. I'm sure he got some of this stuff from someone at Punt Rd. Definetely not the Pres or other club officials, but probably one of those Mal Brown or corporate dilletante types around the club that destabilise it from time to time.

I think TJ referred to them earlier in the year as the types that gossip over long lunches.