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noodnuts
2 Jun 2004, 16:47
is on sbs this sunday night, followed by a doco on kubrick next tuesday.
NorthBhoy
2 Jun 2004, 16:49
Excellent.
They are playing all his work are they not? Is it each week?
andrew coombs
2 Jun 2004, 18:42
"I'm singin'in the rain".
Freo Big Fella
3 Jun 2004, 16:05
Originally posted by andrew coombs
"I'm singin'in the rain".
*Kick* *Kick* :D.
It's rated MA but I always thoguht it was higher than that...are they cutting bits out?
Deestroy
3 Jun 2004, 16:57
"Gave her a bit of the old in, out, in out"
sandeano
3 Jun 2004, 17:18
"No time for any of the ol' In-Out luv, I've just come to read the meter".
pav_is_god
3 Jun 2004, 21:31
Can't wait for Full Metal Jacket to come on.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting this is for fun!"
Originally posted by pav_is_god
Can't wait for Full Metal Jacket to come on.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting this is for fun!"
"I admire your honesty. Hell, I like you. You can come over to my place and **** my sister!"
Originally posted by noodnuts
is on sbs this sunday night, followed by a doco on kubrick next tuesday.
Worst Movie of ALL TIME!
I hated it.
bunsen burner
4 Jun 2004, 11:58
Originally posted by Joel
Worst Movie of ALL TIME!
I hated it. Same. Over rated piece of crap. This movie does not stand the test of time. It's most certainly outdated. I sometimes wonder if people like because they are told that you have to think it's a classic.
I'll take Full Metal Jacket anyday.
Deestroy
4 Jun 2004, 16:13
Originally posted by pav_is_god
Can't wait for Full Metal Jacket to come on.
"This is my rifle, this is my gun. This is for fighting this is for fun!"
Awesome movie.
Are you a fag***t private?
Sir, no sir.
Buuull****, I bet you're the kind of guy that would fu** a person in the ass, and not even have the god damned common courtesy to give him a reach around.
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I wanted to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, and kill them. I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill.
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You had best unfu** yourself or I will unscrew your head and sh** down your neck.
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Sgt. Hartman: Private Pyle, I'm going to give you three seconds. Exactly three f***ing seconds to wipe that stupid looking grin off you face, or I will gouge out your eyeballs and skullf*** you! One! Two! Three!
Pyle: Sir, I can't help it, sir!"
Sgt. Hartman: Bulls***! Get on your knees scumbag!
this movie disturbed me, i saw it at a young age and regretted it ever since. that man is just so ugly its frightening.
Originally posted by la47
It's rated MA but I always thoguht it was higher than that...are they cutting bits out?
SBS seems to have a bit of a special system for rating things. I'm not sure why, but a lot of stuff that would normally be rated R and not shown on other networks gets played on there as MA.
I'll take Full Metal Jacket anyday.
Ahh, well that's your problem ;)
FMJ was boring.
bunsen burner
5 Jun 2004, 11:26
Originally posted by Shaitan
Ahh, well that's your problem ;)
FMJ was boring. At least it was relevant and not outdated.
sandeano
5 Jun 2004, 18:05
Originally posted by bunsen burner
At least it was relevant and not outdated.
How exactly was FMJ 'relevant' in 1987 when it was released? Especially if you want to deride ACW on that same basis, which provoked a slew of controversey and social commentary when it first hit the screens.
FMJ may have a great performance from Emery and a stack of quotable lines, but it is definitely a film of two halves and the second does not and cannot equal the intensity of the first. It is Kubrick's most uneven film by far and is almost sabotaged from the persona-free acting of Matthew Modine. The use of the English country-side as a stand in for the jungle of south-east Asia hardly helps matters either. Top soundtrack though, utilising a Fairlight original score and a fine selection of songs from the era, eschewing many of the Gold FM favourites in favour of more interesting stuff.
For my mind "Barry Lyndon" is still his best film, with "2001", "Paths of Glory" and "Dr. Strangelove" up there too. I also reckon "The Killing" is an excellent example of the film noir-heist flick.
Originally posted by Groove
this movie disturbed me, i saw it at a young age and regretted it ever since. that man is just so ugly its frightening.
I saw it at 11 I think, but I loved it. I think it just depends on the person, some see it at 20 and get freaked
andrew coombs
6 Jun 2004, 02:47
Were`your parents arguing on Jerry Springer or something?
bunsen burner
6 Jun 2004, 05:56
Originally posted by sandeano
How exactly was FMJ 'relevant' in 1987 when it was released? ??????????? Err it was a slightly different take on the Vietnam War that no one had scene before.
Now can you explain what relevance ACO had? Do you deny that it's hopelessly dated?
Originally posted by bunsen burner
Now can you explain what relevance ACO had? Do you deny that it's hopelessly dated?
I think A Clockwork Orange stands up well. It looks even more nightmarish and otherworldy now.
The themes of what is good and evil, and can good exist if evil doesn't don't really date. The idea of whether to reform or punish is still relevant. The fear of what delinquent kids are getting up to is as relevant as ever.
When you think of the Rugby players in Syndey or soccer guys in England, the idea of amoral, drug-induced gangs praying on the week is hardly out-of-date.
Uncle Steve
7 Jun 2004, 12:28
Yarbles! Great bolshy yarblockos to you. I'll meet you with chain or nozh or britva anytime. I'm not having you aiming tolchocks at me reasonless. It stands to reason, I won't have it.
Now read the book. By the end of the story you'll be govoreeting nadsat real horrorshow.
Originally posted by Uncle Steve
Now read the book. By the end of the story you'll be govoreeting nadsat real horrorshow.
definately read the book. Craps all over the film. And as Steve said, you will understand nadsat by the end of the book.
And i would also disagreee with 2001 being a good kubrick film....again, does not do justice to the book.
bunsen burner
7 Jun 2004, 12:36
Originally posted by Weaver
I think A Clockwork Orange stands up well. It looks even more nightmarish and otherworldy now.
The themes of what is good and evil, and can good exist if evil doesn't don't really date. The idea of whether to reform or punish is still relevant. The fear of what delinquent kids are getting up to is as relevant as ever.
When you think of the Rugby players in Syndey or soccer guys in England, the idea of amoral, drug-induced gangs praying on the week is hardly out-of-date. Good and evil is about the only relevance it has.
You're welcome to your opinion that it's an excellent and relevant movie, but personally I think it's an over rated pile of shyte.
Saw it for the first time last night and found to be hilarious. Ive never really heard much about the film before so whether its over rated or what not never really came into it with me.
Enjoyable odd movie.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/1974/nadsat.html
noodnuts
9 Jun 2004, 16:58
lolita is on thursday night and 2001 on sunday night, with the doco continuing next tuesday.
Woodson
14 Jun 2004, 13:29
Saw Clockwork a year ago and thought it had pieces that merited it's 'banned status' (for that period in time) but overall too much hype to build the movie up to be as horrific as I was expecting. Why the ban lasted ever so long has me baffled...I guess it was a great way to keep the intrigue going.
I caught Lolita and enjoyed it. I seem to appreciate those old type films.
FMJ was not as great as Saving Private Ryan IMHO.
Borgsta
14 Jun 2004, 14:19
saw it last night, pretty good movie. But i dont see how it is outdated? What makes it outdated and not relevant bunsen?
bunsen burner
14 Jun 2004, 15:15
Originally posted by Borgsta
saw it last night, pretty good movie. But i dont see how it is outdated? What makes it outdated and not relevant bunsen? What makes it relevant?
Originally posted by Woodson
Saw Clockwork a year ago and thought it had pieces that merited it's 'banned status' (for that period in time) but overall too much hype to build the movie up to be as horrific as I was expecting. Why the ban lasted ever so long has me baffled...I guess it was a great way to keep the intrigue going.
The ban was instituted by the director not because the film was worthy of being banned, but because there were a series of copycat crimes.
He also got into a little bit of bother basing the movie on the US version of the book which omits the last chapter which obviously cut-up the author.
The Legend
15 Jun 2004, 10:32
Originally posted by bunsen burner
What makes it relevant?
I understood the main "message" to be that society generates its own ills. Totally relevant in today's world. I'll agree that the overall "appearance" of the film is dated though. A good Kubrick movie-not my favourite.
Woodson
17 Jun 2004, 20:10
Originally posted by Weaver
The ban was instituted by the director not because the film was worthy of being banned, but because there were a series of copycat crimes.
He also got into a little bit of bother basing the movie on the US version of the book which omits the last chapter which obviously cut-up the author.
thanx for clearing that up weaver
great motivation for the author to do the copy-cat crimes ;)