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TheSheik
15 Jun 2004, 22:23
Against England, the Kiwis once again showed why they are always going to struggle in the big league, they just don't have the depth or quality of players that the other teams in the world do.

Their bowling attack is just not aggressive enough and could be considered as pedestrian at best, they have struggled to be anything near menacing since Richard Hadlee retired. Chris Cairns has now retired (although I always reckon he was a one-day player only), Chris Martin looked like a grade player even before he pulled a hamstring, Shane Bond & Daniel Vettori weren't playing due to injuries, Kyle Mills & Jacob Oram were pretty loose and not penetrating enough plus Scott Styris is a part-timer at best. There is very little variety once Vettori is not playing, basically all right arm medium pace seamers who all look the same.

The only bright light was James Franklin, a lanky left armer who should become a permanent fixture in the NZ team. His action was uncannily like a mirror image of our own Geoff Lawson.

The batting line-up has a few quality names in the order but once they go, it's all downhill from there. Stephen Fleming is the cream of the crop and is now forced to open the innings, Mark Richardson got the yips with his spinners and transformed himself into a solid opener as well. Craig McMillan is a quality player but lets himself down by getting out too often with a rash shot (not unlike Michael Slater), Scott Styris is a solid middle order player and that seems to be about it. Wicketkeeper Brendan McCallum is okay I suppose but Nathan Astle is a little too inconsistent for me.
Franklin looked like a very good prospect with the bat as well and was certainly no tail end bunny, he should make plenty of runs batting at seven.

Overall, they were too brittle once the 2-3 aces had fallen & a couple of the tailenders made Glenn McGrath look like a number three.

It's sad to see the Kiwis like this as they are always very competitive and just seem to be beaten by the opposition having that extra 2-3 players in the middle who a do just that little bit more when needed.

Dipper
15 Jun 2004, 22:43
To me the main difference was the pace attacks, all our bowlers were consistantly quicker than all of theirs.

Chris Martin & Daryl Tuffey came with big raps & to be honest I thought they were both rubbish.

Pitches in England aren't what they used to be, the old green tops would have suited their attack but to take wickets in England now in Tests you either need top notch spinners or bowlers with a bit of pace that bang it in, which is where Harmsion & Flintoff had the better of them.

Also the ability to bowl reverse swing at pace is coming more into it, which is the job of Simon Jones when fit.

Bascially NZ are suffering the same malaise that Engalnd have for most of my life, an inability to bowl sides out on good pitches.A problem whcih hopefully were better equipped to overcome than for many years.

I reckon if they can get Bond fit at his old pace & partner him with Butler & have Franklin somewhere in the mix then things won't look to bad for them.

They certainly contributed to a good series they're quite strong at the top of the order & obviously bat a long way down but this series their upper middle order let them down, MacMillan & Astle were poor & Styris only redeemed himself in the final Test.

stmookeyj
15 Jun 2004, 23:21
From what I saw the bowling was a let down. Tuffey has never really contributed much at test level, Martin is really a pie thrower, Franklin is OK in patches but does not take enough wickets and the all rounders (Oram, Styris, Vettori perhaps) don't really have enough consistency. They could do with another top order player and replacing Cairns is not going to be easy.

Adrian Shelton
16 Jun 2004, 16:25
Spearman's in form, his name must be alongside of Hick,Kambli,Blewett and Ramprakesh is the 'dont pick no matter what' book though.

corporal
16 Jun 2004, 16:37
Originally posted by Adrian Shelton
Spearman's in form, his name must be alongside of Hick,Kambli,Blewett and Ramprakesh is the 'dont pick no matter what' book though.

Considering he quit the NZ domestic competition to play county I'd say that is a fair comment.

Mog
16 Jun 2004, 17:14
And overall for a country with 4.5 or 5 million people, they haven't done too badly.

crudbucket
16 Jun 2004, 18:57
Actually, I think an attack of Bond, Tuffey, Oram and Vettori is world class if (a) they are all fit and (b) they are all in form.

The batting is the achilles heel, basically it is Stephen Fleming and 10 bunnies.. (bit harsh I know, but the rest just lack the consistency to be classed as world class batsmen)

Cooldude
16 Jun 2004, 18:58
They need Bond, badly, he's the difference between a dangerous bowling attack and a one dimensional friendly one

Mog
16 Jun 2004, 19:27
Originally posted by crudbucket
Actually, I think an attack of Bond, Tuffey, Oram and Vettori is world class if (a) they are all fit and (b) they are all in form.

The batting is the achilles heel, basically it is Stephen Fleming and 10 bunnies.. (bit harsh I know, but the rest just lack the consistency to be classed as world class batsmen)

Astle and McMillan seem to be past it. Styris and McCullum are good value, Richardson is boring but solid.

crudbucket
16 Jun 2004, 19:35
Originally posted by Mog
Astle and McMillan seem to be past it. Styris and McCullum are good value, Richardson is boring but solid.

Yep, agree on Astle & mcMillan.

The other three lack consistency, especially Styris, he's a 100 or duck man it seems .... PS, did you know he was born in Australia ?

Mog
17 Jun 2004, 07:21
Originally posted by crudbucket
The other three lack consistency, especially Styris, he's a 100 or duck man it seems .... PS, did you know he was born in Australia ?

I suppose if he was more consistent the move would be on to get him back here then.

Dipper
17 Jun 2004, 19:15
Just read that John Bracewell has had a whinge accusing England of producing pitches to suit them, he said soemthing like '..in NZ we're not allowed to produce wickets that suit us but obviously over here that's not the case , I prefer how we do it..'

This is such a load of bollocks it's not true, in days gone by we sometimes produced seamer friendly green tops to suit the fact that we didn't ahev bowlers who could bowl out good batsmen on good pitches & obviously countries like Sri Lanka produce raging turners form day 1 but in this series we've produced good batting pitches that have yielded on average over 300 runs a day.How anyone can moan about this I don't know, obviously it suits the team with better good pitch bowlers & that was clearly us but what does the prick want us to do produce sporting grassy pitches so that his hack of an attack has got a chance of bowling us out.

I've always thought he was a knob & this just goes to prove it further in my mind, at least Fleming was a good sport.