View Full Version : What do you think the Pies need?? Who should they target?
Rocket23
23 Jun 2004, 18:55
G'day guys,
What is it that the Pies need to take the next step up?
Posted something similar to this in the main forum but was interested in seeing supporters' opinions.
I was reading today in the Herald Sun that Mike Sheahan believes Brett Burton should be traded from Adelaide. I am not saying that he is the solution but I really think the Pies should be looking at a third "Marking" forward. I think someone like Burton would be a very handy pick up as a third leading forward.
I always thought the Pies looked more dangerous when they had Nick Davis (fit and playing) because he always picked up the third best defender and was hard to match up on. I reckon this is the type of player we really need. Our current setup of two big forwards with four crumbers is not working (Mind you it might if we could keep them in together for more than 3 games in a row).
Can you imagine Didak on the Fourth best defender???
Leon might even manage to get a kick!!
1. We don't need tall forwards.
2. We don't need slow/medium paced midfielders.
3. We don't need skinny ruckmen.
we do need:
A fash skilled onballer (Judd)
A strong class ruckman (Gardiner)
A small forward with some grunt (Guerra)
Any flankers with pace and skill
anonymous Joe
23 Jun 2004, 19:49
Originally posted by MarkT
1. We don't need tall forwards.
2. We don't need slow/medium paced midfielders.
3. We don't need skinny ruckmen.
we do need:
A fash skilled onballer (Judd)
A strong class ruckman (Gardiner)
A small forward with some grunt (Guerra)
Any flankers with pace and skill
You're forgetting a few things.
Heart, versatile players, toughness, good key backman not slow hacks who play well as a unit.
Lonie_from_50
23 Jun 2004, 19:55
All we need is a Gavin Brown at the helm.
We have got key forwards (Rocca, Tarrant, Cloke).
We have got small forwards (Incnsistant!!! David, Didak)
Our Midfield is a traffic jam, No more unless it is Chris Judd.
Our Ruck department is OK with Richards top class. Fraser helps out.
Defence is underrated.
We are still an underrated side, but can be inconsistant whether Win or Loss.
Rocket23
23 Jun 2004, 20:07
Originally posted by MarkT
1. We don't need tall forwards.
2. We don't need slow/medium paced midfielders.
3. We don't need skinny ruckmen.
we do need:
A fash skilled onballer (Judd)
A strong class ruckman (Gardiner)
A small forward with some grunt (Guerra)
Any flankers with pace and skill
Agree with all of that Mark but what I meant was we need a third option who can out mark and out run his opponent. Granted Cam is going to be good but I think we need a medium range forward who can play out on the flank or in the pocket!
I think Williams was original pegged for this role but it hasn't really turned out!
Rocket23
23 Jun 2004, 20:11
Originally posted by Lonie_from_50
Defence is underrated.
Do you think Lonie that sometimes we get a little too defensive?? For instance on occasion we have had Licca tagging someone in the middle as well as Brodie tagging someone. That means at each bounce we have 2 people with their focus on the ball (One being the ruckman) and they have 4.
Lonie_from_50
23 Jun 2004, 20:39
Originally posted by Rocket23
Do you think Lonie that sometimes we get a little too defensive?? For instance on occasion we have had Licca tagging someone in the middle as well as Brodie tagging someone. That means at each bounce we have 2 people with their focus on the ball (One being the ruckman) and they have 4.
good call, and i have been saying that for a long time. Brodie Holland has to get on the Half Forward flank and not need to tag. Lokan is doing the same and can come off the bench and kick two goals or go back to SA.
But...
I was talking about our Defence ie. Backmen.
B: Wakelin ~ Prestigiacomo ~ Clement
HB: Johnson ~ J.Cloke ~ Cole
still underrated.
anonymous Joe
23 Jun 2004, 23:47
Originally posted by Lonie_from_50
good call, and i have been saying that for a long time. Brodie Holland has to get on the Half Forward flank and not need to tag. Lokan is doing the same and can come off the bench and kick two goals or go back to SA.
But...
I was talking about our Defence ie. Backmen.
B: Wakelin ~ Prestigiacomo ~ Clement
HB: Johnson ~ J.Cloke ~ Cole
still underrated.
BS its over-rated call me whatever the **** u like.
But that won't win you a flag,
Cole is soft, will get better but soft players never become hardmen they 'get better".
Cloke lacks pace and ability to beat opponent one on one but has courage i'll give him that. still a hack.;)
Presti, good scager. not versatile enough needs others playing well in the backline so he can play his role.
Clement good players with good smarts and skills. good but not excatly a champion.
Wakelin decent but not great.
Johnson young and getting better.
a good unit but no stars
Lonie_from_50
24 Jun 2004, 09:31
Overrated by you maybe.
"Good unit but no stars"
Clement should have been All-Australian 2002 and has been GREAT to the club. Top 10 Rebounds in the league for the last couple of years.
"Cole Is Soft"
Have you been to a game this season or watched football for the last two years? Cole is one of the Hardest players in the club and has heart and is getting better each week.
Jason Cloke:
Lacks pace, but doesn't need it when he wins the game for Collingwood with his courageous marks and spoils. His contested ball gets are another value.
A CHB and FB plus a new Bucks.
Originally posted by Rocket23
Agree with all of that Mark but what I meant was we need a third option who can out mark and out run his opponent. Granted Cam is going to be good but I think we need a medium range forward who can play out on the flank or in the pocket!
I think Williams was original pegged for this role but it hasn't really turned out! Tarrant or Frsaer. I think we need a small forward and that is the man that can play on a flank if we dont; want to use an unconventional tall there. Personally I think we need to be unconventional to beat Brisbane and win a premiership in the next 3 years.
Originally posted by Murray
A CHB and FB plus a new Bucks. Disagree. Presti is a good negator of quality FF's. Wakelin is a lot better than outsiders think. Walker and Hall are two that are potentials. maybe Travis Cloke if we get him as well. We shouldn;t recruit any more talls until we see what we have at Willi.
Originally posted by anonymous Joe
Cole is soft
Haha, you're funny!! :D
Whisky_McKay
24 Jun 2004, 10:26
A "slingshot" Centre Half Back in the McPhalin, Pavlich or McPhee mold
A Classy midfielder ummm you know like Nick Stevens (I wish he was up for trade???)
A tough nut like a Solaman who can play in a number of roles but has the skills to go with it.
A tall defender with flair and flexibity to play forward when needed (to replace Wakelin)
A pacy, classy outside midfielder to carry the ball through the lines
A tough inside midfielder/utility/jack of all trades (to replace Burns)
A goal sneak.
I wouldn't chase a ruckman - I'd put faith in Richards and Fraser, plus a couple of 18 year olds.
Lockyer24
24 Jun 2004, 13:11
My ideal offseason would be to pick up a Polak type, a Dal Santo type, Travis Cloke and then try and trade for an experienced half forward/small forward in the Paul Chapman mould. And lose Ben Kinnear.
Simply a fast quality mid-fielder.
Unfortunately so does everyone else
Rocket23
24 Jun 2004, 14:38
Originally posted by anonymous Joe
Cole is soft, will get better but soft players never become hardmen they 'get better".
Crap!
Presti, good scager. not versatile enough needs others playing well in the backline so he can play his role.
Name one full back that doesnt need the rest of the team playing well to do his job properly!!
Clement good players with good smarts and skills. good but not excatly a champion.
IS a Champion but its but blokes like yourself dont rate him. Hence he is UNDERATED!
anonymous Joe
24 Jun 2004, 19:21
Originally posted by Lonie_from_50
Overrated by you maybe.
"Good unit but no stars"
Clement should have been All-Australian 2002 and has been GREAT to the club. Top 10 Rebounds in the league for the last couple of years.
"Cole Is Soft"
Have you been to a game this season or watched football for the last two years? Cole is one of the Hardest players in the club and has heart and is getting better each week.
Jason Cloke:
Lacks pace, but doesn't need it when he wins the game for Collingwood with his courageous marks and spoils. His contested ball gets are another value.
That juts shows how much ****en trouble you're in if coles one of your hardest players i supose shaw is to right. Don't matter whats he's done the GF showed when the pressure is once cole melts like butter.
Courages marks and spoils = a hack who can only play as a lose men in defence without an oppenant as he can't beat anyone one on one.
Clemeant isn't a champion buvkley bird voss are you're biased if you think he's a champion.
Btw theres 15 other players who you can say deserved AA selection.
Rocket23
24 Jun 2004, 21:31
Originally posted by anonymous Joe
That juts shows how much ****en trouble you're in if coles one of your hardest players i supose shaw is to right. Don't matter whats he's done the GF showed when the pressure is once cole melts like butter.
Courages marks and spoils = a hack who can only play as a lose men in defence without an oppenant as he can't beat anyone one on one.
Clemeant isn't a champion buvkley bird voss are you're biased if you think he's a champion.
Btw theres 15 other players who you can say deserved AA selection.
I wouldnt mind seeing how your boys perform under the pressure of a GF unfortunately I wont be seeing it for a while!!
i think they should target in no particular order:
chris judd
nick dal santo
graham polak
steve salopek
michael gardiner
luke hodge
travis cloke
thats my wishlist anyway, if we could land 2 of those i would be very happy, but i know the likelihood of any of them (besides cloke) getting to collingwood is next to nothing
cant help to dream though...
anonymous Joe
24 Jun 2004, 22:34
Originally posted by Rocket23
I wouldnt mind seeing how your boys perform under the pressure of a GF unfortunately I wont be seeing it for a while!!
We'll put our heads over the ball and keep our eyes on it that initself will be more than your mob has managed.
Rocket23
24 Jun 2004, 23:15
Originally posted by anonymous Joe
We'll put our heads over the ball and keep our eyes on it that initself will be more than your mob has managed.
HMMMMM one of life's little mysteries we may never know whether you are correct!!
Originally posted by anonymous Joe
We'll put our heads over the ball and keep our eyes on it that initself will be more than your mob has managed. Yeh, if you can get over Port Adelaide. FFS your mob are not good enough to get pumped on GF day. In 2002 when you were you were shown up and you've slipped every year since. I have no idea why you spend so much time on the Collingwood board but seriously, your mob are the great pretenders. Collingwood are not as good as Brisbane, I don't think anyone disputes that at all. Essendon on the other hand aren't as good as Port Adelaide in September and that's a pretty unique sign of heartless incompetence. You bang on about Buckley’s GF performance and it was easily better than your captain’s finals effort against Port Adelaide. I’m not sure whether you are really as delusional as you appear of you just like putting Collingwood down and you are happy to suspend reality to do it. Either way, why the hell would you bother?
anonymous Joe
25 Jun 2004, 14:00
Originally posted by MarkT
Yeh, if you can get over Port Adelaide. FFS your mob are not good enough to get pumped on GF day. In 2002 when you were you were shown up and you've slipped every year since. I have no idea why you spend so much time on the Collingwood board but seriously, your mob are the great pretenders. Collingwood are not as good as Brisbane, I don't think anyone disputes that at all. Essendon on the other hand aren't as good as Port Adelaide in September and that's a pretty unique sign of heartless incompetence. You bang on about Buckley’s GF performance and it was easily better than your captain’s finals effort against Port Adelaide. I’m not sure whether you are really as delusional as you appear of you just like putting Collingwood down and you are happy to suspend reality to do it. Either way, why the hell would you bother?
No I speak the truth.
If i'm dilusional then what are your fellow pie supporters who believe the likes or didak, shaw, fraser, cole and shaw are tough and hard.
Even I won't defend Murhpy cupido etc. cupido i'll say will get better once his shoulders do murphys a liablity in big games against tough opposition.
brentoncowell
25 Jun 2004, 16:46
We dont need anybody from any other clubs at this point, we just need to work with the players we have. Players like Cameron Cloke, Mark McGough, Guy Richards, Dane Swan, Nick Maxwell and Tommy davidson are the next wave of pies players and we must continue to improve these players rather than bring in anyone.
GlovemanGayfer
27 Jun 2004, 13:52
Originally posted by grayza
i think they should target in no particular order:
chris judd
nick dal santo
graham polak
steve salopek
michael gardiner
luke hodge
travis cloke
thats my wishlist anyway, if we could land 2 of those i would be very happy, but i know the likelihood of any of them (besides cloke) getting to collingwood is next to nothing
cant help to dream though...
Hodge???? Are you serious? Surely you know about his "problems". They are issues we don't need at the club. For me it's Judd in the MidF or Ball but hodge can stay where he is thanks.