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Jars458
29 Jun 2001, 17:24
This is really for Crows members but would be interested in the views of others also. This was posted on the AFC site earlier today also.


The Adelaide Football Club is one of the few clubs in the AFL whose members do not control the make up of the board and therefore have no real say in how the Club is run.

The AFC members are allowed to elect one person who is submitted to the SANFL commission for approval to sit on the board.

Therefore the only representation we get is tempered by the fact that if the Commission are not happy with the nomination, then they can refuse to admit this person to the board. As I understand it, they would not have to justify their position to AFC members (would be happy to be proved wrong).

Therefore, if a controversial issue ever arises that the members want something done about and we elect a person onto the board to put froward our views, all the Commission have to do is reject that person’s application to go on the board and therefore all debate is stifled.

Ross Dillon used to be our representative on the board, but now he has resigned due to the circumstances surrounding the elevation of Bob Campbell to AFC Chairman, which, according to media reports, occurred at the last minute, and seemed to be “politically” motivated.

After Ross resigned, he was replaced by Andrew Payze, who is not a members’ representative. That is, now the members have no representation on the AFC board and therefore not even a marginal input into how the club is run.

I would say at this point that I know of no reason why either Bob or Ross would not make a good Chairman, I merely use this as an example of lack of member input into our own club.

I think it is a shocking state of affairs that the members of a football club can have no real say in how their club is run. That is what the situation is with our club, regardless of whether we have one representative on the board or not, who can always be rejected by the Commission if they so desire.

As I understand it, the Commission is elected by the SANFL clubs, and therefore the only way we can indirectly have a voice is to become a member of our SANFL clubs and get people on the boards of the SANFL who agree with how we think the AFC should be run and who can in turn elect like minded people onto the Commission? There are so many holes in that avenue of representation that I won’t go into them here.

It seems to me that the AFC members should have at least the same deal as the Port Adelaide Football Club members and be allowed to elect half the number of the board, as I believe Port members elect 5 out of ten members of their board.

Is this too much to ask? I don’t think it is, but I imagine the SANFL have a completely different view as they would never want the AFC to be out of the control of the Commission and therefore the SANFL clubs.

I am not saying the board has done a bad job or that the AFC should not continue to support the SANFL, as clearly the local league needs this support, through the dividend etc.

The main point is that Crows members should have a say in how the club is run, just like all other Club members in Victoria.

I realise that there is then the problem of which members should be allowed to vote for the board, in light of the fact that there are Gold, Silver and Bronze Members as well as Footy Park Members.

In my view, it should only be Gold Members and Bronze Members whose money goes directly to the Club as an extra fee other than the price of the season ticket (again stand corrected if this is not right).

I would be interested to know what other people think, as this will only ever happen if we get off our backsides and do something. Others may not think it’s a problem however, so I would be interested in your views.

Cheers.

Balip
29 Jun 2001, 17:40
Jars as you would probably be aware we are currently pushing to get the board of Freo at least partially elected by the members.

We are in the same vote as Adelaide and it really isnt a good situation.

The SANFL is probably like the WA Football Commision who don't seem to wan't to let go of any power that they have. They are arogant in that they think that they are the only ones that can do the job and patronising in the fact that they dont think the common supporter can make a correct decision.

Garth
30 Jun 2001, 02:46
Frankly, I think we have one of the best run clubs in the league, so why change it?

Crow54
1 Jul 2001, 09:59
Jars458, what do you think of Stephen Sanders' reply to this on the AFC Forum?

I've spoken personally about this with Stephen, and he's firmly behind the Board as it now stands, as I guess he would be, with his Dad fully involved at that level.

Jars458
1 Jul 2001, 15:52
Originally posted by Crow54
Jars458, what do you think of Stephen Sanders' reply to this on the AFC Forum?

I've spoken personally about this with Stephen, and he's firmly behind the Board as it now stands, as I guess he would be, with his Dad fully involved at that level.

Crow54

I don't think its a matter of whether they are doing a good job or not.

Its the principal that we should have some control of our own club.

If the poeple on the board are doing the right thing -why wouldn't we elect them? We are not stupid we can make a decision.

The thing is though - it would be nice to have a real Crows supporter on the board and not just a corporate type who is in the boys club

I note there are no women on the Crows board.


As far as Bill Sanders goes - I have heard that the upheval about the Presidency was all because Bill wants the job very soon and that Bob Campbell is happy to step aside whereas Ross Dillon would not. Only a rumour though.

Stephen Sanders is pretty defensive about most things the club does.


Ps I agree with everything that Horse 72 says!;)

Crow54
2 Jul 2001, 12:00
Dear Horse 72, oops Jars458.....I agree with you - it would be good to have member representation on the Board.

Also, S Sanders is very defensive about the Club, but I guess he's on their payroll after all.

It will be very interesting at the end of the year to see just what does happen with the members' voting rights.

P.S. Good to see you getting stuck into Macca and Joffa on the main board. I was going to come in and defend you, but I took note of some-one's quote: "Never argue with an idiot, it takes you down to their level".....Heaven forbid I wouldn't want to be on Macca's level!

Macca19
2 Jul 2001, 23:13
Originally posted by Crow54
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P.S. Good to see you getting stuck into Macca and Joffa on the main board. I was going to come in and defend you, but I took note of some-one's quote: "Never argue with an idiot, it takes you down to their level".....Heaven forbid I wouldn't want to be on Macca's level!

good to see your just as blind, bias and ultimatly pathetic as every other crow fan in this world.

as ive said to many other people here....ill gladly do an iq test with you and see how you go.

Crow54
3 Jul 2001, 09:34
Originally posted by Macca19


good to see your just as blind, bias and ultimatly pathetic as every other crow fan in this world.

as ive said to many other people here....ill gladly do an iq test with you and see how you go.

He he :p

People who eavesdrop never hear good things about themselves.

I might not win an IQ test against you, but I'd probably win the Spelling bee.

And what was that I heard on the radio last night about a Melbourne journalist who was over here to watch the Carlton/Power game, and said the Power fans were the worst he'd ever seen in all his time of watching footy?

Macca19
3 Jul 2001, 19:53
Originally posted by Crow54


He he :p

People who eavesdrop never hear good things about themselves.

I might not win an IQ test against you, but I'd probably win the Spelling bee.

And what was that I heard on the radio last night about a Melbourne journalist who was over here to watch the Carlton/Power game, and said the Power fans were the worst he'd ever seen in all his time of watching footy?

everyone has an opinion. I think the Crows and Eagles fans are hte worst fans in the AFL. everyones allowed an opinion on such a thing.

QT
4 Jul 2001, 16:50
Originally posted by Garth
Frankly, I think we have one of the best run clubs in the league, so why change it?

Agreed! the crows are if not the most stable club in the league, why change anythin?

ant
4 Jul 2001, 17:11
Crow54 mate, I know I didn't either, but I reckon we should come in and defend fellow Crow fans more, we should unite together and back each other up. Especially when we're arguing with a Pie or Port poster.....

Jars458
4 Jul 2001, 17:58
Originally posted by QT


Agreed! the crows are if not the most stable club in the league, why change anythin?

Yes that's right

The horse and cart worked well too.