View Full Version : Graham Polak for Daniel Kerr?
funky_monk
4 Jul 2004, 20:29
So how does it sound fellow Freo faithful.
Kerr is a tough nut and has the mongrel about him (and is also skillful) while Polak has too many deficiencies for my liking to be a superstar (kicking for one).
The Eagles get a KPP (and with Murphy, Mundy and Thorton coming through we can cover him) and we get a skillful tough nut to replace the unskillful tough nuts we have now (ie. Cook and Macca).
Comments?
Kenny_01
4 Jul 2004, 21:00
Ummm.... no.
Polak just turned 20 and is still a rake. You don't trade away young KPP's that have the ability that he does.... unless you want to regret it for the next 10 years.
Kenny_01
4 Jul 2004, 21:06
And as I said in the other thread... Schammer and Browne look to be developing well and will play a similar role to what Kerr could play. And you don't want an abundance of good small players, we already have 3 in our midfield.
Kenny_01
4 Jul 2004, 21:12
And why are people so quick to throw up trades after a young player struggles for a game or two?
It was only 4 weeks ago people wanted to trade Schammer and a 1st or 2nd round pick for J. Carr.
Newsflash... players take some time to develop.
ImperialPurple
4 Jul 2004, 21:27
By Kenny:
"Ummm.... no.
Polak just turned 20 and is still a rake. You don't trade away young KPP's that have the ability that he does.... unless you want to regret it for the next 10 years.
And as I said in the other thread... Schammer and Browne look to be developing well and will play a similar role to what Kerr could play. And you don't want an abundance of good small players, we already have 3 in our midfield.
And why are people so quick to throw up trades after a young player struggles for a game or two?
It was only 4 weeks ago people wanted to trade Schammer and a 1st or 2nd round pick for J. Carr.
Newsflash... players take some time to develop."
Agree on all three points. Kerr would be nice - but not at the expense of Polak. That would without any doubt come back to but us really, really, really hard on the bum.
Polak may not be the absolute superstar that he was touted as early on (but then again, maybe he will), but he will still be VERY good, and he will be a huge asset to us over the next 10 years and we should trade him under no circumstances at all.
pav_is_god
4 Jul 2004, 21:31
No deal!
theferrett
4 Jul 2004, 22:04
Never, not for Kerr
My mine is that Graeme will be dropped for the game against the roos this week and Roger will be back in. Polak will then adjust his forthcoming contract.
Funky you bagged error in the Mcphee post about talking down about your own and now you want to trade Polak at round 14, get a life bud and worry about your own back yard and not others
funky_monk
5 Jul 2004, 00:33
Originally posted by Curly
Funky you bagged error in the Mcphee post about talking down about your own and now you want to trade Polak at round 14, get a life bud and worry about your own back yard and not others
Show me where I have made up a dodgy one word insulting nick name for a Freo person (which was what I disliked about errors post)? Guess I'll be waiting for a while hey?
Please don't call me bud. And the "no life" and "own backyard" line... please! Work on your material!!!
Just a little theoretical scenario. It wasn't because Polak was quiet today either. My post had neither malice nor any type of 'trolling' about it. The jury is still out on Polak but of course I still hope Freo keep him.
*whispers* it's ok... i'm not even in the recruiting staff for freo so i'm pretty sure i won't do any permanent damage to the team by posting this...
Already been said but I would prefer to take my chances with Polak rather then have Kerr, we have a few Kerr's running through our midfield atm I would prefer we keep our young KPP.
*whispers* it's ok... i'm not even in the recruiting staff for freo so i'm pretty sure i won't do any permanent damage to the team by posting this...
scared me for a second :D
Kapow!!!
5 Jul 2004, 12:48
Polak has too much potential so it would be a waste on someone like Kerr. No offence to Kerr but I'd rather have Polak
sabre_ac
5 Jul 2004, 12:56
Polak is a once every 3-5 drafts kind of player, Key Positions of his calibre and marking ablity do not come around very often.
While Kerr types are around every draft.
For this reason alone we cannot trade Polak for Kerr, forgetting the fact that Polak is the best mark for his age and younger in the competition by a mile and I dare say that across the board there is only a handful of players that can outmark him.
Eagles frankly other than Gardiner,Cousins and Judd have no players I would swap for Polak.
ImperialPurple
5 Jul 2004, 13:08
Originally posted by sabre_ac
Eagles frankly other than Gardiner,Cousins and Judd have no players I would swap for Polak.
Cross off Gardiner as it's not known if he will even play again.
Cross off Cousins as he's 26 and while he is undoubtedly a very good player, has not been as good this year as he has previously.
Which leaves Judd. Who wouldn't want Judd in their team?? If he leaves the Eagles, it would be only for one of the cashed up Vic teams - which means prob only the Wobblers, the Bummers or maybe the Dawks or Blooooze, will be likely to secure his services should he choose to go. But that's beside the point. Yes, Judd is awesome, yes every team would love him, yes I would love to see him at Freo... but it will never happen and besides, not for Polak (and no dount weevil fans would laugh at the idea - and good luck to 'em).
Polly is a young KPP. Talls take longer to develop. Talls are more valuable over the long term. Talls break down more often. Polly will be very good. Very, very good. I can't see any reason why Freo would swap Polly for anyone at this stage. In another 3 years (when his new contract expires!!) - if he is still where he is now... then reassess. But the guy has played a season and a half at the top level - give him time.
At present I think Pollie is lacking confidence which may have come about from lack of game time. He can't find a slot in the side to make his own.
I reckon if McPharlan (god forbid!!!) was injured, Pollie would fit in that gap without missing a beat. Maybe keep giving him time at CHF.
Trade for Kerr?, is there a need for this trade?.
Status Quo.
Originally posted by viper60
we have a few Kerr's running through our midfield atm
:D
Darkjedi
5 Jul 2004, 14:37
I think Fremantle has learnt from getting players from WC...
I doubt any of them (the trades) have been worthwhile!
For that reason, I'd dislike a Kerr / Polak trade.
And as it's been said - we really just don't need him..
As a side note though, which club did he come from? Before WCE I mean??
I'd quite happily trade Simon Black for Polak though :D
Originally posted by Darkjedi
As a side note though, which club did he come from? Before WCE I mean??
I'd quite happily trade Simon Black for Polak though :D
Another good East Freo product is Daniel.
I would rather keep Polly though. Maybe Tlo could be used.
Doubt it would happen. Would we want Kerr anyway? Sounds like an absolute ****. I reckon the only person we consider getting, and possibly for Polak, is Josh Carr. I think we do need to trade for some experienced players at the end of the year to boost our team's 'lack of depth'.
error404
5 Jul 2004, 19:29
Originally posted by Curly
Funky you bagged error in the Mcphee post about talking down about your own and now you want to trade Polak at round 14, get a life bud and worry about your own back yard and not others
I don't mind any one having a go at me, probably deserve it at times:D but don't you guys think it's a bit early to be trading players. I hope Polly is with us next year but the whispers are getting louder.
Freo Big Fella
5 Jul 2004, 20:30
Essendon Board;) .
Tony_Clifton
5 Jul 2004, 23:15
Do the deal. It would benefit both teams. Although it would benefit WCE more than Freo. As I've said before we have an overabundance of talls and not enought first class midfielders. Pav plays on the ball, we have three ruckmen come forwards and poor old Polly is left as a spare parts man.
The downside to this trade is that the eagles gain more than we do in terms of imaginairy trade worth. Make it happen.
There is simply no way we'd trade Kerr for Polak. Take that purple bucket off your head.
Kenny_01
6 Jul 2004, 07:05
Originally posted by Milkman
There is simply no way we'd trade Kerr for Polak. Take that purple bucket off your head.
I reckon the Eagles would do it. No way we would do it though.
funky_monk
6 Jul 2004, 11:26
Originally posted by Tony_Clifton
Do the deal. It would benefit both teams. Although it would benefit WCE more than Freo. As I've said before we have an overabundance of talls and not enought first class midfielders. Pav plays on the ball, we have three ruckmen come forwards and poor old Polly is left as a spare parts man.
The downside to this trade is that the eagles gain more than we do in terms of imaginairy trade worth. Make it happen.
No doubt it would benefit west coast more and I don't think Freo would do it but to say we have Kerr like players is not really true.
Schammer may turn into that with a bit of bulk but I think Browne is a different kind of player. Plus they are both in the best 22 at the moment. When Cook and Macca go (and you know Connolly is hanging out to replace them with some more skillful players) who is going to replace them in the midfield?
Please don't say Siegert, Cunningham or Haines. Dunn needs more development and won't be able to step up for a year or two.
Quality midfield depth is a real weakness at present.
Trading Polak may not be the answer but there is a reason why we get beaten by the (physically) bigger midfield teams in the AFL.
Originally posted by funky_monk
No doubt it would benefit west coast more
How is creating a gaping hole in our midfield going to benefit us?
When/if Polak starts living up to the hype, give us a call.
Dunno Milkco, It would double the marking power at the E-girls.
BTW , where's my carton?
Originally posted by RIPPER_46
Dunno Milkco, It would double the marking power at the E-girls.
BTW , where's my carton?
Or at the very least, we'd get one extra handball stat per game.
As for our supposed bet, well I really don't know about that as when you were finalizing all your wagers in a later thread, you made no mention of ours. I considered the bet to be void after that, and certainly wouldn't be asking you to pay up had we won the derby.
However, I'd be happy to shout you a few beers if you're ever down Freo way.
Originally posted by Milkman
Or at the very least, we'd get one extra handball stat per game.
As for our supposed bet, well I really don't know about that as when you were finalizing all your wagers in a later thread, you made no mention of ours. I considered the bet to be void after that, and certainly wouldn't be asking you to pay up had we won the derby.
However, I'd be happy to shout you a few beers if you're ever down Freo way.
Fair enough , I did miss the finalisation in all the excitement.
See you this weekend maybe.
Kenny_01
6 Jul 2004, 16:05
Originally posted by Milkman
How is creating a gaping hole in our midfield going to benefit us?
When/if Polak starts living up to the hype, give us a call.
Ummm.... he just turned 20. Blind Freddy could see that he has one of the best marks in the competition. He just hasn't transferred his marking ability in the backline to the forward line.
KPPs with Polak's talent don't grow on trees. He will need time to develop however.
Kenny_01
6 Jul 2004, 16:11
Originally posted by funky_monk
No doubt it would benefit west coast more and I don't think Freo would do it but to say we have Kerr like players is not really true.
Schammer may turn into that with a bit of bulk but I think Browne is a different kind of player. Plus they are both in the best 22 at the moment. When Cook and Macca go (and you know Connolly is hanging out to replace them with some more skillful players) who is going to replace them in the midfield?
Please don't say Siegert, Cunningham or Haines. Dunn needs more development and won't be able to step up for a year or two.
Quality midfield depth is a real weakness at present.
Yes but trading away a KPP talent like Polak for midfield depth is not going to get us anywhere.
You just have to look at Port and how they have acquired midfield depth. They have a few players in their midfield that would have been classified as hacks at one point in their career, but they have all developed and now form a pretty deep midfield. It is a lot easier than finding players to hold down the key positions, and hold them down well. Some good recruiting and development is what is needed.
anchor man
6 Jul 2004, 17:15
Why do we insist on trying to trade our players when they have a bit of a bad run?????
Polly for Kerr!!!!Why.Polly will be there for many years to come and be a star don't you worry about that.
Kerr is a good player of that there is no doubt but we are developing our own list of star midfielders.The Sledge(schammer)Browne are going to be the stars of the side in the future.Both good hard at it players and can take a bit of the hard stuff.
Kerr may be suspect with his back and his shoulder.
What must be remembered with Polly this year is that he has been thrown around a bit,up forward down back on the bench.He has not been given a chance to settle,even CC said so on the weekend.
Settle him at CHB and let him play the game he knows.He just loves the bang and crash of playing down back.He loves the ball coming to him and not having to make the play as he would have to do up forward.
Polly or Kerr!! Give me Polly.
Kenny_01
6 Jul 2004, 17:24
Our midfield depth isn't that bad actually, especially when Carr and Headland are up and playing well. Webster will also bring something to our midfield when he comes back.
Pavlich, Hasleby, Bell, Headland, Carr, Schammer, Browne, Walker, Webster.
We are probably 1 good midfielder short.
Originally posted by Kenny_01
We are probably 1 good midfielder short.
Dunn , Peake , Edgecombe , Cunners ;)
It is not desparate like some would have us believe.
Originally posted by Kenny_01
Ummm.... he just turned 20. Blind Freddy could see that he has one of the best marks in the competition. He just hasn't transferred his marking ability in the backline to the forward line.
KPPs with Polak's talent don't grow on trees. He will need time to develop however.
But you're assuming that he's definitely going to fulfill his potential, while i'm saying that it remains to be seen. He doesn't seem to have improved much (if at all) since making his debut.
Kerr is vital to our midfield, and among our best players each week. He's only 1 year older than Polak, and has plenty of room left for improvement. IMO we'd be mad to trade him for someone who may or may not become a consistent great mark.
Kenny_01
6 Jul 2004, 17:57
Originally posted by Milkman
But you're assuming that he's definitely going to fulfill his potential, while i'm saying that it remains to be seen. He doesn't seem to have improved much (if at all) since making his debut.
Kerr is vital to our midfield, and among our best players each week. He's only 1 year older than Polak, and has plenty of room left for improvement. IMO we'd be mad to trade him for someone who may or may not become a consistent great mark.
From his debut in 2002, he has improved immensely. Maybe not from last year but he is playing a different role.
Even if he doesn't reach his full potential and doesn't improve like we expect, when he fills out he will still be one of the better CHB's in the competition. He showed that last year... he's just unfortunate that McPharlin has played so well there this year so we are trying to find a different role for him.
Anyone with a brain can see that if Polak is to go its gonna be a three way deal involving Eagles, Port and Fremantle. Fremantle want Carr, Dockers only player of Carr quality to offer is Polak. Eagles would get Polak, Port would get Kerr and Fremantle would get Carr. Thats the only way Polak could go to Eagles and its the only way Carr could go to Fremantle. And it makes sense. Chances of Polak staying a pretty slim. He is one of the top 5 centre half backs in the country and he will always play second fiddle to McPharlin and co. Im sure he isnt enjoying playing forward either. His one handball is evidence enough for that. So for all you people who say keep Polak, get over it., theres basically no chance of him staying. I could go on and on bout the reasons he wud leave but i dont feel bothered. Anyway Polak is going to Eagles and Carr is going to Fremantle
Eagles4Ever
6 Jul 2004, 20:28
Originally posted by Kenny_01
Ummm.... no.
I would have to agree with Kenny on this one.
Kerr is probally running second behind Judd for the best and fairest so there is no way i would trade him for Polaxed... not even if we had two of him.
Freo Shark
6 Jul 2004, 22:31
Polly wont go anywhere. He'll re-sign before season is out.
But Freo shouldnt sign him on a kings ransom, pay him fairly or trade him if hes asking too much and wont be realistic.
His recent form is working against him demanding alot, so its all working in our favour.
funky_monk
6 Jul 2004, 23:52
Originally posted by F-U
Anyone with a brain can see that if Polak is to go its gonna be a three way deal involving Eagles, Port and Fremantle. Fremantle want Carr, Dockers only player of Carr quality to offer is Polak. Eagles would get Polak, Port would get Kerr and Fremantle would get Carr. Thats the only way Polak could go to Eagles and its the only way Carr could go to Fremantle. And it makes sense. Chances of Polak staying a pretty slim. He is one of the top 5 centre half backs in the country and he will always play second fiddle to McPharlin and co. Im sure he isnt enjoying playing forward either. His one handball is evidence enough for that. So for all you people who say keep Polak, get over it., theres basically no chance of him staying. I could go on and on bout the reasons he wud leave but i dont feel bothered. Anyway Polak is going to Eagles and Carr is going to Fremantle
Now here's someone who's been smoking something. I seem quite sane compared to this bloke.
Freo Hitman
8 Jul 2004, 04:34
Guys I have it on good authority that Polak , McPharlin will have signed with Freo by 21/7
Originally posted by F-U
Anyone with a brain can see that if Polak is to go its gonna be a three way deal involving Eagles, Port and Fremantle. Fremantle want Carr, Dockers only player of Carr quality to offer is Polak. Eagles would get Polak, Port would get Kerr and Fremantle would get Carr. Thats the only way Polak could go to Eagles and its the only way Carr could go to Fremantle. And it makes sense. Chances of Polak staying a pretty slim. He is one of the top 5 centre half backs in the country and he will always play second fiddle to McPharlin and co. Im sure he isnt enjoying playing forward either. His one handball is evidence enough for that. So for all you people who say keep Polak, get over it., theres basically no chance of him staying. I could go on and on bout the reasons he wud leave but i dont feel bothered. Anyway Polak is going to Eagles and Carr is going to Fremantle
Is that a matter of fact? :rolleyes:
voodoo_86
8 Jul 2004, 17:00
Originally posted by Freo Hitman
Guys I have it on good authority that Polak , McPharlin will have signed with Freo by 21/7
I think McPharlin was a given judging by media reports lately, but if Polly signs aswell that will be huge news. :)