The Stenglein Saga incl Thompson...

[jess-jess]

thought you guys might want to be kept updated about the news coming from the West....

Appartently the two clubs met but the negotiations have stalled. Adelaide were willing to do a trade for Kerr or Cox, the eagles said no, those two aren't tradeable. Adelaide weren't interested in any of the players West Coast have on the table (Wirrpunda, Braun, Morrison) and at this stage don't want their first round pick as they are after a player. Apparently the deal now only has a 50 - 50 chance of going through, even though West Coast and Stenglien had agreed to terms of a contract. He might find himself playing with Freo after all.

That's the news from the west, did you guys hear the same thing over there?

[birdmanptr]

thought you guys might want to be kept updated about the news coming from the West....

Appartently the two clubs met but the negotiations have stalled. Adelaide were willing to do a trade for Kerr or Cox, the eagles said no, those two aren't tradeable. Adelaide weren't interested in any of the players West Coast have on the table (Wirrpunda, Braun, Morrison) and at this stage don't want their first round pick as they are after a player. Apparently the deal now only has a 50 - 50 chance of going through, even though West Coast and Stenglien had agreed to terms of a contract. He might find himself playing with Freo after all.

That's the news from the west, did you guys hear the same thing over there?
No i haven't but it is more and more obvious that we are going to get nothing for him and as our record shows we will give him up for next to nothing

[theorangeapple]

its nothing. its simple business practice to ask for more than u want because obviously that will be wittled down. as one of my good friends says "aim for the moon because if u miss your still amounst the stars".

it would be well worth adelaide asking, you never know whats happening inside a club. but we would have laughed long and hard in their face when they asked for cox or kerr. infact, very long and very hard. were talking about a guy who will be our 5-6th midfielder, he isnt worth one of our prime movers.

it sounds like adelaide is adament they dont want a draft pick. i cant understand this, u guys have traded away your early picks in the past and now ure offered one and u want a player. ure recruiting team must not like having draft picks or something? it sounds silly but are they scared of the responsibility?

[SAbella]

Did anybody else watch the Channel 10 News last night? It was reported that apparently Neil Craig thinks that Adelaide should do whatever they can to keep Stenglein in Adelaide because he really wants him to stay with the Crows!

[crazzzy_grrl]

Its going to be very interesting to see if both teams come to a deal. Seems to me that what adelaide want from the eagles the eagles are very unlikely to give it up. Cox and Kerr... no offense but i thought that was the funniest suggestion. I can't say I've seen much of Stenglein but I could never see the eagles giving up either of them for him.

If a deal doesn't go through, would stenglien consider freo and if that doesnt happen will he stay at adelaide?? Coz perhaps if he said he'd stay and Neil craig wants him would adelaide deliberately bargin to high in the hope of keeping him??

[jess-jess]

i thought that the main reason Stenglien wanted to come home was for family reasons (something that's been going on for most of the year). I don't see why he wouldn't look at Freo if a deal can't be done with WC if his main aim is to get home.

If his aim was just to play with the eagles and a deal can't be done then i'd think he would stay at the crows.

[theorangeapple]

If a deal doesn't go through, would stenglien consider freo and if that doesnt happen will he stay at adelaide?? Coz perhaps if he said he'd stay and Neil craig wants him would adelaide deliberately bargin to high in the hope of keeping him??

that would be risky. the clubs talk to the player manager and if tyson found out adelaide were simply not budging from a farcical deal then he would be very disapointed. im not suggesting adelaide should just roll over and accept a dud but if they dont budge from wanting cox or kerr then there would friction between stenglien and the crows.

[Blue Red and Gold]

its nothing. its simple business practice to ask for more than u want because obviously that will be wittled down. as one of my good friends says "aim for the moon because if u miss your still amounst the stars".

it would be well worth adelaide asking, you never know whats happening inside a club. but we would have laughed long and hard in their face when they asked for cox or kerr. infact, very long and very hard. were talking about a guy who will be our 5-6th midfielder, he isnt worth one of our prime movers.

it sounds like adelaide is adament they dont want a draft pick. i cant understand this, u guys have traded away your early picks in the past and now ure offered one and u want a player. ure recruiting team must not like having draft picks or something? it sounds silly but are they scared of the responsibility?

Correct...its simple you always start higher because you are always going to get bartered down.

[crazzzy_grrl]

that would be risky. the clubs talk to the player manager and if tyson found out adelaide were simply not budging from a farcical deal then he would be very disapointed. im not suggesting adelaide should just roll over and accept a dud but if they dont budge from wanting cox or kerr then there would friction between stenglien and the crows.Thats what i thought but sometimes you never know.... clubs could try and be sneaky like that.

A question to adelaide people. In all seriousness what do you think stenglien is worth, coz i haven't seen him much, but i do know the eagles aren't that willing to give that much up for him. In your opinion is he worth a Cox or Kerr or were adelaide just aiming high.
And I'm not talking about "future captain" or where he comes in B&F, in playing ability

[macca23]

Correct...its simple you always start higher because you are always going to get bartered down.

Correct.

I'd bet money that a deal will be done, because it's obvious that WCE have struck a deal with Stenglein that both are happy with.

They wouldn't have done that thinking that they would get Stinga for nothing. They'd have a fair idea even now what they are finally prepared to settle at, as would Adelaide.

But until trade week there will be plenty of chest beating and head shaking from both clubs as one tries to pay as little as possible and the other tries to get as much as they can.

In the end the deal will probably be fair to both parties.

[Crow-mosone]

No i haven't but it is more and more obvious that we are going to get nothing for him and as our record shows we will give him up for next to nothing

if you want to sit at the big table, you have to learn how to behave.

There is only 1 think obvious from your post.

[Blue Red and Gold]

I havent seen much of Kerr or Cox to make a proper judgment on but on going what I have heard obviously not.
I think he is worth the current Beau Waters but Beau has the potential to go on and become a star so thats why I dont think he will be traded.
I think Stinger is worth a first rounder and I think that will end up happening.

[Stiffy_18]

its nothing. its simple business practice to ask for more than u want because obviously that will be wittled down. as one of my good friends says "aim for the moon because if u miss your still amounst the stars".

it would be well worth adelaide asking, you never know whats happening inside a club. but we would have laughed long and hard in their face when they asked for cox or kerr. infact, very long and very hard. were talking about a guy who will be our 5-6th midfielder, he isnt worth one of our prime movers.

it sounds like adelaide is adament they dont want a draft pick. i cant understand this, u guys have traded away your early picks in the past and now ure offered one and u want a player. ure recruiting team must not like having draft picks or something? it sounds silly but are they scared of the responsibility?
Not surprised that teams are so far apart at this point. Happens all the time but eventually deal gets done.

For rejecting the draft pick, I have said this before. My belief is that with the retirements of Carey, Smart, Burns and possibly Stevens and the moving of Stenglein we need player so we get to the minimal cut off for the slarary cap. Each team has to pay a minimum of 92.5% of the salary cap and if we don't get a player we could fall short of that. Thats why I think we don't want picks.

[Crow-mosone]

i thought that the main reason Stenglien wanted to come home was for family reasons (something that's been going on for most of the year). I don't see why he wouldn't look at Freo if a deal can't be done with WC if his main aim is to get home.

If his aim was just to play with the eagles and a deal can't be done then i'd think he would stay at the crows.

as has been reported, Stenglien and the Eagles have agreed a contract. The terms must be better than offered by Freo, so he wants to go there.

he probably would rather go the freo than stay. probably.

What it is also says is that WC are a lot more keen than you people are making out. Besides I think if we are asking for Kerr - bit cheeky that - then Waters or Butler doesn't sound so bad now.
In fact i wonder if it's just our way of saying to WC, to be more realistic after Nisbett goes into press about what we can't have. Perhaps our message was something like "what's this we can't have waters or butler stuff, we want someone of Kerr or Cox's calibre." as a way of getting onto the front foot.
Maybe it's a leak from WC : "we didn't want to get rid of the young lad, but did you see what they intially wanted..."

Will be very interesting times if this trade continues to be played out in the media. How very Real Madrid.

Stenglein is in the prime of his life, if he has to stay in Adelaide he will make the most of it. Matthew Robran was never the same after sitting out of footy for a year, craigy and co. will be letting him know that.

WC & Adel will still get something done, it seems they want to win the hearts and minds of their respective supporters as well as secure the best available deal.

[Stiffy_18]

Thats what i thought but sometimes you never know.... clubs could try and be sneaky like that.

A question to adelaide people. In all seriousness what do you think stenglien is worth, coz i haven't seen him much, but i do know the eagles aren't that willing to give that much up for him. In your opinion is he worth a Cox or Kerr or were adelaide just aiming high.
And I'm not talking about "future captain" or where he comes in B&F, in playing ability
Noth worth a Kerr and worth a bit less than Cox. And that is my honest opinion. Honestly I think Stinger is worth your pick 12 and no more.

[Crow-mosone]

And I'm not talking about "future captain" or where he comes in B&F, in playing ability

you can't and shouldn't separate these things, they are key drivers of value.

[macca23]

For rejecting the draft pick, I have said this before. My belief is that with the retirements of Carey, Smart, Burns and possibly Stevens and the moving of Stenglein we need player so we get to the minimal cut off for the slarary cap. Each team has to pay a minimum of 92.5% of the salary cap and if we don't get a player we could fall short of that. Thats why I think we don't want picks.

I think there's also the other factor of losing our 3rd mid-fielder in 2 years - Johnson, Bickley and Stenglein. We need another player, not a draft pick, and preferably a mid-fielder. Adelaide know damn well that they wouldn't get either Cox or Kerr, so it's more likely to be a ploy to lever out a future mid-fielder such as Waters.

[theorangeapple]

For rejecting the draft pick, I have said this before. My belief is that with the retirements of Carey, Smart, Burns and possibly Stevens and the moving of Stenglein we need player so we get to the minimal cut off for the slarary cap. Each team has to pay a minimum of 92.5% of the salary cap and if we don't get a player we could fall short of that. Thats why I think we don't want picks.


wow, thats very unusual. if that was the case i would be making HUGE plays for scott thompson or jared rivers (u probly are). surely if your desperate to get over the 92.5% you could simply offer one of your top players alot of dough for next year and take it out of future payments.

[crazzzy_grrl]

Noth worth a Kerr and worth a bit less than Cox. And that is my honest opinion. Honestly I think Stinger is worth your pick 12 and no more.
Thanks. I figured he was talked up on the main board and wanted a fair idea what kinda player he was like

and to Crow-mosone, i wanted to know about his playing ability, thats why i said without all the flashy stuff. I know that it would be part of his value, but I havent seen him play much so i wanted to know based on that side

[theorangeapple]

I think there's also the other factor of losing our 3rd mid-fielder in 2 years - Johnson, Bickley and Stenglein. We need another player, not a draft pick, and preferably a mid-fielder. Adelaide know damn well that they wouldn't get either Cox or Kerr, so it's more likely to be a ploy to lever out a future mid-fielder such as Waters.

waters is as old as alot of this years draft chances this year anyway. there wouldnt be a huge difference between him and a pick 12 in this years draft in terms of making an impact. but as the club has said he is off limits.

[Stiffy_18]

wow, thats very unusual. if that was the case i would be making HUGE plays for scott thompson or jared rivers (u probly are). surely if your desperate to get over the 92.5% you could simply offer one of your top players alot of dough for next year and take it out of future payments.
Not only are those players leaving a lot of space in the salary cap but Roo is eligable for veteran's list. Thats why I think we are after a player. And yes we are after both Rivers and Thompson and I have heard we are willing to offer $300K to each of them

[Stiffy_18]

waters is as old as alot of this years draft chances this year anyway. there wouldnt be a huge difference between him and a pick 12 in this years draft in terms of making an impact. but as the club has said he is off limits.
I disagree. The chances of pick 12 delivering next year are slim. Waters has played a handful of games and already has AFL pre-season behind him so he would bring more to the table next year than pick 12 and still be young enough to play for the next 10 years

[Blue Red and Gold]

Not only are those players leaving a lot of space in the salary cap but Roo is eligable for veteran's list. Thats why I think we are after a player. And yes we are after both Rivers and Thompson and I have heard we are willing to offer $300K to each of them

I dont think I would be that keen on Rivers. Dont get me wrong he is a great player and will be for a long time to come but I dont see the point in paying huge dollars for a CHB when we already have a very capable one in Kenny.
Wouldnt we be better off using the extra $$ is getting someone to the club who can fill a gap in one of our flawed areas?
Kenny is still only 23 or whatever so he will be able to hold down that possie for many years to come yet so I dont see the point in Rivers. The only area where the AFC are looking alright is the backline so why pay through the nose for more?

[Kane McGoodwin]

My belief is that with the retirements of Carey, Smart, Burns and possibly Stevens and the moving of Stenglein we need player so we get to the minimal cut off for the slarary cap. Each team has to pay a minimum of 92.5% of the salary cap and if we don't get a player we could fall short of that.
Blimey Stiffy, you have really changed your tune about the space we have free under the salary cap - appears to be getting bigger all the time! ;)

PS Don't forget about Roo going on the Vets.

[Stiffy_18]

I dont think I would be that keen on Rivers. Dont get me wrong he is a great player and will be for a long time to come but I dont see the point in paying huge dollars for a CHB when we already have a very capable one in Kenny.
Wouldnt we be better off using the extra $$ is getting someone to the club who can fill a gap in one of our flawed areas?
Kenny is still only 23 or whatever so he will be able to hold down that possie for many years to come yet so I dont see the point in Rivers. The only area where the AFC are looking alright is the backline so why pay through the nose for more?
While I am not a big Rivers fan he would make a fantastic HBF for us. Can play on tall or small. Imagine him as the 4rd or 4th tall in the back line. It would be hard yakka kicking scores against us;)

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think there's also the other factor of losing our 3rd mid-fielder in 2 years - Johnson, Bickley and Stenglein. We need another player, not a draft pick, and preferably a mid-fielder. Adelaide know damn well that they wouldn't get either Cox or Kerr, so it's more likely to be a ploy to lever out a future mid-fielder such as Waters.
At least the club appears to recognise we have a lack of mid-age midfielders that needs needs to be addressed even more now Stinger is leaving. Can't see us getting Cox or Kerr ... but stranger things have happened.

[Crow-mosone]

I dont think I would be that keen on Rivers. Dont get me wrong he is a great player and will be for a long time to come but I dont see the point in paying huge dollars for a CHB when we already have a very capable one in Kenny.
Wouldnt we be better off using the extra $$ is getting someone to the club who can fill a gap in one of our flawed areas?
Kenny is still only 23 or whatever so he will be able to hold down that possie for many years to come yet so I dont see the point in Rivers. The only area where the AFC are looking alright is the backline so why pay through the nose for more?

I think the point with Rivers is simple, we have the money, and you can never have too many good players. If he improves you, and you can afford it, you do it. I am not 100% sold on him, but I don't see how having him makes us worse? Not too many bad players have won the rising star.

[Stiffy_18]

Blimey Stiffy, you have really changed your tune about the space we have free under the salary cap - appears to be getting bigger all the time! ;)

PS Don't forget about Roo going on the Vets.
Better informed this time around Kane. Amazing what a bit of snooping around can uncover;)

Yes I have changed my tune. In fact is a massive turnaround:o

[Kane McGoodwin]

I dont think I would be that keen on Rivers. Dont get me wrong he is a great player and will be for a long time to come but I dont see the point in paying huge dollars for a CHB when we already have a very capable one in Kenny.
Wouldnt we be better off using the extra $$ is getting someone to the club who can fill a gap in one of our flawed areas?
Kenny is still only 23 or whatever so he will be able to hold down that possie for many years to come yet so I dont see the point in Rivers. The only area where the AFC are looking alright is the backline so why pay through the nose for more?
Agree 100% that we should be addressing just about everywhere except the backline which is the least of our problems.

[Blue Red and Gold]

While I am not a big Rivers fan he would make a fantastic HBF for us. Can play on tall or small. Imagine him as the 4rd or 4th tall in the back line. It would be hard yakka kicking scores against us;)

Oh god yeah he would be great to have but I just think we have more immediate gaps in our team we need to fill first.
I'd much rateher use the 300k you mentioned to lure someone like Waters or another young tough midfielder.
Once we get that sorted Im all for going after Rivers!

[Kane McGoodwin]

Better informed this time around Kane. Amazing what a bit of snooping around can uncover;)

Yes I have changed my tune. In fact is a massive turnaround:o
I may not have as much inside knowledge as you Stiffy, but I can analyse numbers. ;)

[birdmanptr]

if you want to sit at the big table, you have to learn how to behave.

There is only 1 think obvious from your post.
whats that mean?

[Crow-mosone]

Better informed this time around Kane. Amazing what a bit of snooping around can uncover;)

Yes I have changed my tune. In fact is a massive turnaround:o

if we have the cap space, let's spend it FFS.
it's not like we can't afford it.

Melbourne players are probably soft targets, because maybe they cannot afford the payments.

If we get one difference maker the offseason is a success.

[Blue Red and Gold]

I think the point with Rivers is simple, we have the money, and you can never have too many good players. If he improves you, and you can afford it, you do it. I am not 100% sold on him, but I don't see how having him makes us worse? Not too many bad players have won the rising star.

I dont think he will make us worse quite the opposite I know he would be a very handy player to have but I just think the spare space in our cap could be more beneficial in other depts. i.e Midfield

[Kane McGoodwin]

I think the point with Rivers is simple, we have the money, and you can never have too many good players. If he improves you, and you can afford it, you do it. I am not 100% sold on him, but I don't see how having him makes us worse? Not too many bad players have won the rising star.
Sure if better options fall through, but we should be throwing $'s at players in positions of most need. That starts with the midfield.

[macca23]

I dont think he will make us worse quite the opposite I know he would be a very handy player to have but I just think the spare space in our cap could be more beneficial in other depts. i.e Midfield

Our need for mid-fielders is chronic. The club has neglected this area for one hell of a long time and as Kane said there just aren't any mid-age mid-fielders in our side.

[Stiffy_18]

Oh god yeah he would be great to have but I just think we have more immediate gaps in our team we need to fill first.
I'd much rateher use the 300k you mentioned to lure someone like Waters or another young tough midfielder.
Once we get that sorted Im all for going after Rivers!
You can't throw that money at Waters because he is still on his rookie contract. Rivers is SA lad and imagine having Rutten at FB, Kenny at CHB and Rivers on the flank. He would not make us worse and he sure as hell would make us better.

We are also trying to address other areas thats why we are after Thompson. He is the midfielder that the doctor ordered. If we get one fo those then great. Both SA lads and unlikely to ask to go back home.

[Stiffy_18]

I may not have as much inside knowledge as you Stiffy, but I can analyse numbers. ;)
You are an accountant after all:p

[Kane McGoodwin]

if we have the cap space, let's spend it FFS.
it's not like we can't afford it.

Exactly - AFC are the wealthiest club & should be spending near 100%. We should offer some young talent big $'s (although not ridiculous Gasper-like deals) & even if we don't land them, we may drive up the cap pressure on some of the other clubs. If we still have room left in our cap, I would front-load some of our player contracts, to give us more room to manouvre in future years when hopefully the quality of our list grows (& makes it easier to retain players).

[Crow-mosone]

Sure if better options fall through, but we should be throwing $'s at players in positions of most need. That starts with the midfield.

well I think the common denominator in our targets: Rivers & Thompson, is not merely that they are from SA.

[Stiffy_18]

if we have the cap space, let's spend it FFS.
it's not like we can't afford it.

Melbourne players are probably soft targets, because maybe they cannot afford the payments.

If we get one difference maker the offseason is a success.
Thats the line of thinking and the reason why we are targeting Melbourne players

[Stiffy_18]

Sure if better options fall through, but we should be throwing $'s at players in positions of most need. That starts with the midfield.
Thats why we are including Scott Thompson into the group;)

[Kane McGoodwin]

Thats why we are including Scott Thompson into the group;)
No issue with me.

How about Nathan Brown too (of the Dees variety)?

[Stiffy_18]

No issue with me.

How about Nathan Brown too (of the Dees variety)?
Too old and under contract;)

What is he 27????:confused:

[Kane McGoodwin]

Too old and under contract;)

What is he 27????:confused:
Fair enough, didn't realise he was 28!

[McLeod23]

I dont think he will make us worse quite the opposite I know he would be a very handy player to have but I just think the spare space in our cap could be more beneficial in other depts. i.e Midfield

I agree with you, BR&G. I know what everyone means when they say Rivers is a quality player, but man do we need to get some quality midfielders onto our list. No point having the best defence in the league if we have no midfielders (although if we had, statistically, the best defence in the league, then it wouldn't matter how many times it got down there, but you know what I mean...).

We should definitely be shaking the tree at a few Melbourne clubs - we are filthy rich and its about time we starting maximising what opportunities that gives us.

[mymansyd]

Noth worth a Kerr and worth a bit less than Cox. And that is my honest opinion. Honestly I think Stinger is worth your pick 12 and no more.

Roger. I'd be ecstatic if the Crows picked up the Eagles #12 pick for Stinger. After all, we are all about rebuilding, aren't we? Fair trade IMO. Don't be surprised if that's the way it ends up after all the chest-beating has died down. Let's give Jimmy Fantasia picks 8 & 12 and let's see what he can do.

[Kristof]

Imagine him as the 4rd or 4th tall in the back line. It would be hard yakka kicking scores against us;)

That's a very good point. No matter how well they played - we'd run over them in the 4rd quarter.

[Stiffy_18]

That's a very good point. No matter how well they played - we'd run over them in the 4rd quarter.
:o :o

Bloody typos

[Stiffy_18]

From The Age (http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/09/09/1094530765823.html)

Crow Stenglein flies to Eagles
By Mark Duffield
Perth
September 10, 2004

Adelaide midfielder Tyson Stenglein has committed to a three-year, $800,000 deal to join West Coast - subject to a trade deal being struck with the Crows.

It is believed the Eagles and Stenglein's manager Colin Young struck a heads of agreement on Wednesday morning.

The move all but rules Fremantle out of calculations for the Adelaide tagger.

Dockers football director Steven Icke talked to Young on Tuesday morning but West Coast always had been the frontrunner, with midfielder Chad Fletcher among Stenglein's closest friends.

The news sparked some tough talk from Crows chief executive Steven Trigg, who was unaware of any formal agreement but knew the Eagles and Stenglein had come to terms.


"That doesn't change anything from our point of view," he said.

"We have said and we continue to say that we want someone who is about 24 years of age, has played 100-plus games, would play every game for us, would have leadership potential at our club and would always be in the top four of our fairest and best. We are very clear about what we would want in return for a quality person."

Trigg refused to concede that Stenglein was no chance to return to the Crows if a deal couldn't be struck.

"I would think that if we can't do a deal with West Coast, then Tyson is welcome to come back and play for us. That is our perspective. I think that both he and his manager are confident that a deal can be done."

Asked if any negotiations had already taken place, he replied: "There has been some positioning but we haven't been down to the nitty-gritty."

Stenglein is on an overseas holiday, but spoke to Young and was "delighted" with the deal.

"He is hoping that Adelaide will co-operate. If not, we will re-evaluate where we are at. It could happen 10 minutes before the end of the trading period, you just never know, but we are committed to West Coast 150 per cent."

- West Australian

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And that ladies and gentleman tells me that West Coast are keener on Stenglein that their supporters beleive. The fact that the deal has been agreed on says that West coast thinks the deal will get done and are prepared to pay the price. A bit like us and Carey situation.

I expect a very good trade. WC have put themselves in a very difficult position now. They are a proud club that keeps promise and will not let Tyson down after practically signing him up pending on trade. Puts Adelaide in a stronger position:)

[Crow-mosone]

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And that ladies and gentleman tells me that West Coast are keener on Stenglein that their supporters beleive. The fact that the deal has been agreed on says that West coast thinks the deal will get done and are prepared to pay the price. A bit like us and Carey situation.

I expect a very good trade. WC have put themselves in a very difficult position now. They are a proud club that keeps promise and will not let Tyson down after practically signing him up pending on trade. Puts Adelaide in a stronger position:)

spot on.

WC will make a trade to get the player they clearly do want.
If WC want to recruit players in future they need to follow through on this one.

[blighty]

Is the club interested in Bell & Smith both ex South Australians from Melbourne currently non contracted?
Bell is only 19, 187cm & 88kg and plays hard footy...has spent most of the year with Sandringham in defence, but would make a more than useful midfielder.

[Mead]

And that ladies and gentleman tells me that West Coast are keener on Stenglein that their supporters beleive. The fact that the deal has been agreed on says that West coast thinks the deal will get done and are prepared to pay the price. A bit like us and Carey situation.

I expect a very good trade. WC have put themselves in a very difficult position now. They are a proud club that keeps promise and will not let Tyson down after practically signing him up pending on trade. Puts Adelaide in a stronger position:)

That rather depends on the Adelaide definition of keen and a 'very good trade'. Two weeks ago we were supposedly going to shell out Waters or Butler and Adelaide weren't interested in picks at all, now suddenly the suggestion seems to be that you'd be reasonably happy with our first rounder..

i don't think pick #12 is totally out of the question, but I do think it is a bit more than we would want to pay. As I've said before, I think the most likely outcome is a draft pick somewhere between our current 2nd and 1st round picks. (#28, #12)

One thing I do find very interesting is that if the article is reasonably spot on with the figures, if we're going to sign Stenglein on for that kind of money I don't think there is any way we can afford it if we don't trade someone on a bit more substantial salary. That signals that Morrison, Chambers, Braun, Wooden or possibly Wirrpunda may be on the way out.

Assuming Adelaide aren't interested in the likes of Morrison, I think it would be very likely to see us trade east to get another draft pick. If we could convince a victorian club to bite on the likes of Morrison + #28 for a draft pick in the #13-#20 range, that would make the Stenglein deal go a lot more smoothly-gives us another pick to leverage with, and would probably make us a bit more prepared to trade away a first rounder since we'd still have some presence in the draft.

[Streaker]

That rather depends on the Adelaide definition of keen and a 'very good trade'. Two weeks ago we were supposedly going to shell out Waters or Butler and Adelaide weren't interested in picks at all, now suddenly the suggestion seems to be that you'd be reasonably happy with our first rounder..

i don't think pick #12 is totally out of the question, but I do think it is a bit more than we would want to pay. As I've said before, I think the most likely outcome is a draft pick somewhere between our current 2nd and 1st round picks. (#28, #12)

One thing I do find very interesting is that if the article is reasonably spot on with the figures, if we're going to sign Stenglein on for that kind of money I don't think there is any way we can afford it if we don't trade someone on a bit more substantial salary. That signals that Morrison, Chambers, Braun, Wooden or possibly Wirrpunda may be on the way out.

Assuming Adelaide aren't interested in the likes of Morrison, I think it would be very likely to see us trade east to get another draft pick. If we could convince a victorian club to bite on the likes of Morrison + #28 for a draft pick in the #13-#20 range, that would make the Stenglein deal go a lot more smoothly-gives us another pick to leverage with, and would probably make us a bit more prepared to trade away a first rounder since we'd still have some presence in the draft.

Morrison has just finished a very lucrative back-ended contract and would be one of the main reasons we could afford to offer Stenglein that much. Even if we do give up pick 12 I think that we will be going after a higher draft pick with the likes of the players you have suggested. Sydney have already come out and stated that they will be looking at experienced players rather than draft picks, therefore there is a possibility. Commetti on Nine said that Adelaide had asked for Kerr or Cox as a trade and I can't see either of those happening.

[mymansyd]

Morrison has just finished a very lucrative back-ended contract and would be one of the main reasons we could afford to offer Stenglein that much. Even if we do give up pick 12 I think that we will be going after a higher draft pick with the likes of the players you have suggested. Sydney have already come out and stated that they will be looking at experienced players rather than draft picks, therefore there is a possibility. Commetti on Nine said that Adelaide had asked for Kerr or Cox as a trade and I can't see either of those happening.

Cox would be very nice, but WC would be stupid to let him go after just having had his best season + with Gardiner's wonky fitness disposition. At the end of the day, I'm confident that the Weagles and Crows will come up with an amicable trade. 2 professional clubs who have no apparent dislike for each other (unlike Magpies vs. Power) will get it done, I'm sure. However, the fact that WC are sooooo keen on Stinger surely puts us in the slightly more favourable position. I think it's not too unrealistic to suggest that we may well garner not only WC's Pick #12 + a reasonable middle-of-the-road player as well (whether it be from WC or some other team in a 3-way deal).

Looking good. Let's hope we don't stuff it up.

[PrideOf]

This deal won't be done until two weeks before the deadline at the earliest.

All the talk between then and now will be us asking too much from West Coast and them offering too little, in the remote hope that the other party will blink and accept a dud deal. It's called business. There'll be a stack more hot air from both clubs yet.

If West Coast has already comes to terms with Stenglein, then they want him and value him, regardless of what some all-knowing Eagles posters in cyberspace may believe. Based on that, I think that we can be confident that we'll get fair value for Tyson at the very least.

2 professional clubs who have no apparent dislike for each other (unlike Magpies vs. Power) will get it done, I'm sure.

Agreed.

[SpringChoke]

From The Age (http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/realfooty/articles/2004/09/09/1094530765823.html)

Crow Stenglein flies to Eagles
By Mark Duffield
Perth
September 10, 2004

Adelaide midfielder Tyson Stenglein has committed to a three-year, $800,000 deal to join West Coast - subject to a trade deal being struck with the Crows.

It is believed the Eagles and Stenglein's manager Colin Young struck a heads of agreement on Wednesday morning.

The move all but rules Fremantle out of calculations for the Adelaide tagger.

Dockers football director Steven Icke talked to Young on Tuesday morning but West Coast always had been the frontrunner, with midfielder Chad Fletcher among Stenglein's closest friends.

The news sparked some tough talk from Crows chief executive Steven Trigg, who was unaware of any formal agreement but knew the Eagles and Stenglein had come to terms.


"That doesn't change anything from our point of view," he said.

"We have said and we continue to say that we want someone who is about 24 years of age, has played 100-plus games, would play every game for us, would have leadership potential at our club and would always be in the top four of our fairest and best. We are very clear about what we would want in return for a quality person."

Trigg refused to concede that Stenglein was no chance to return to the Crows if a deal couldn't be struck.

"I would think that if we can't do a deal with West Coast, then Tyson is welcome to come back and play for us. That is our perspective. I think that both he and his manager are confident that a deal can be done."

Asked if any negotiations had already taken place, he replied: "There has been some positioning but we haven't been down to the nitty-gritty."

Stenglein is on an overseas holiday, but spoke to Young and was "delighted" with the deal.

"He is hoping that Adelaide will co-operate. If not, we will re-evaluate where we are at. It could happen 10 minutes before the end of the trading period, you just never know, but we are committed to West Coast 150 per cent."

- West Australian

____________________________________________________________ ___

And that ladies and gentleman tells me that West Coast are keener on Stenglein that their supporters beleive. The fact that the deal has been agreed on says that West coast thinks the deal will get done and are prepared to pay the price. A bit like us and Carey situation.

I expect a very good trade. WC have put themselves in a very difficult position now. They are a proud club that keeps promise and will not let Tyson down after practically signing him up pending on trade. Puts Adelaide in a stronger position:)


Bloody hell Stiff, $800 grand is alot of money for a guy the supporters say the club doesn't need...Mate, I have a feeling Adelaide is going to do quite nicely out of this one.

[Jars458]

Noth worth a Kerr and worth a bit less than Cox. And that is my honest opinion. Honestly I think Stinger is worth your pick 12 and no more.

I reckon pick 12 plus our third round pick for their second round pick.

[Moo]

It is interesting that West Coast have gone so hard early.

IMHO it places Adelaide at an advantage and in the drivers seat.

Mead you did Chick for pick 8 we did Koops for pick 19 (acknowledged not same class as C&S ...just comparrison) but I would think pick 12 is under market value.


A trade must be done, it is the $ WC are paying that is the shock in this (if true)

Moo

[Jars458]

Exactly - AFC are the wealthiest club & should be spending near 100%. We should offer some young talent big $'s (although not ridiculous Gasper-like deals) & even if we don't land them, we may drive up the cap pressure on some of the other clubs. If we still have room left in our cap, I would front-load some of our player contracts, to give us more room to manouvre in future years when hopefully the quality of our list grows (& makes it easier to retain players).

But we have to think long term

I think we will finish even lower next year and have a very early pick in the pre-season draft. We could save a bit of room for next years cap. Players won't take paycuts for the year after so if we top up now we will have little room to move next year.

Next year we should make a big play for Cooney and offer him the house.

[Mong]

Appartently the two clubs met but the negotiations have stalled. Adelaide were willing to do a trade for Kerr or Cox, the eagles said no, those two aren't tradeable. Adelaide weren't interested in any of the players West Coast have on the table (Wirrpunda, Braun, Morrison)

It's simple. Negotiations are still in the very early stages. Adelaide are asking for something over his value (Cox, Kerr) and West Coast are offering something under his value (Wirrpunda, Braun, Morrison). The Crows will slowly come down on their initial request, West Coast will slowly move up with their offer. Eventually they will meet in between. This is how trading works. Clubs never put their best offer on the table so early in the negotiations.

This says to me that those of us who thought players such as Wirrpunda, Braun and Morrison are not equal value to Stenglein have it correct. Adelaide know it and West Coast know it.


Mong

[baaaallllll]

I reckon West Coast have been very smart in agreeing to a contract with Stinger. I reckon it only makes it tougher for Adelaide to get a better deal as the contract wards off other clubs i.e Freo from making bids for Stinger which would have driven his trade price up.

I reckon this trade will happen when we are bent over and touching our toes and exposing our chocky whirlway.

How about this trade, Judd to the Roos, Wells to Adelaide and Stinger to West Coast......... Okay that is not going to happen, but Wells should be in a Crows jumper.

[Jars458]

Been thinking about Cox.

West Coast have Gardiner to come back next year and have Seaby as a back up who looks to be a star. They also have the likes of Beek, Johnson and Lynch as back up.

Cox could be tempted here as he would be the number one ruckman no questions asked and would be an ideal fit for what we need.

Whilst WC would be reluctant to let him go, given that they have committed to Stenglein as much as they can in the current environment, its possible that this trade just may happen

Other than that it will involve a third club who may be interested in the likes of Morrison etc.

What about Fosdike and Doyle from Sydney for Stenglein?

[Mad Dog]

800K for 3 years...bl :eek: dy 'el !

Up till now I would have thought we'd be happy with a FR pick - but sounds like now a cox/seaby/waters type player are not unrealistic.
More than likely as mymansyd mentioned - probably FR pick plus a middle of the road player

definately feel more comfortable - hopefully JR can go out in a blaze of glory

on another subject - the talk of Jeff White coming here has really gained momentum - not just on these boards

Any thoughts or insights ????

[baaaallllll]

Been thinking about Cox.


I bet you have :)

[Jabber]

Been thinking about Cox.

West Coast have Gardiner to come back next year and have Seaby as a back up who looks to be a star. They also have the likes of Beek, Johnson and Lynch as back up.

Cox could be tempted here as he would be the number one ruckman no questions asked and would be an ideal fit for what we need.

Whilst WC would be reluctant to let him go, given that they have committed to Stenglein as much as they can in the current environment, its possible that this trade just may happen

Other than that it will involve a third club who may be interested in the likes of Morrison etc.

What about Fosdike and Doyle from Sydney for Stenglein?

It is widely expected that Gardiner's knees will not be risked in a centre square collision again and he will end up playing and rucking inside the forward 50. Cox & Seaby will handle the centre bounces. Beeck is a little small for everyday ruckwork and is starting to develop into a CHB. Johnson is a poor ruckman who will likely never be up to AFL standard, he was primarily drafted as a tall forward. Lynch is as likely to ruck as Phil Matera.

With that in mind, I can't see us trading Cox, especially as he recently signed a new deal.

[theorangeapple]

i think this is really positive from an eagles perspective. its basically ruled out the dockers, hence a bidding war. and puts the pressure on adelaide to come up with a trade with us. i have a very high opinion of our management, they have never let us down in the past and are renowned for being very astute in these situations. there is a reason why our CEO was headhunted by aFL for the 2ic role last year. our club prides itself on being professional (obviously unlike the dockers) and that is why we would never trade someone we said we wont. that sends much worse signals out to the footballing public than not coming up for a trade for stenglein, after all we can always blame adelaide.

as i have said before, i think it will have to be a draft pick. why on earth would we trade someone who is as highly rated at our footy club as stenglien is at adelaide?? you dont want to loose someone like that and quite rightfully neither do we. i wouldnt be suprised if we send something to melbourne who will send scott thompson to u guys. maybe melbourne will want a first round pick if u dont.

[theorangeapple]

im sorry crow eaters but your paper is shocking. its nothing short of a tabloid. u have rucci speaking out his *rse, making up things like beau waters and second round pick for stenglien. he wrote this 2days after the club CEO and assistant coach came out and said he was strictly off limits.

and then we have andrew jarman who is the saddest excuse for a writer i have read. i mean seriously, daniel kerr involved in a trade with lance fatnill and stenglien. run it by me again why we would trade a top3 midfield playmaker for our side who is 21 and already played 70games, and is west australian for a guy who wouldnt be in our best 5 midfielders. thats just plain stupid, and the club said that publicly yesterday. if jarman actually did some sort of semblance of research before he just made this up then he would have known of this. yes andrew, its called research.

oh and another thing, i no for a fact that sam butler isnt homesick although andrew said he "desperatley wants to come home". beau waters i dont know about, but butler is happy in WA.


i dont no how u can stand these 2 dingbats writing complete dribble day after day. i honestly feel for you.

[Jars458]

i dont no how u can stand these 2 dingbats writing complete dribble day after day. i honestly feel for you.

And after reading that post - I have the trifecta.

[Cove Cobra]

[QUOTE= he wrote this 2 days after the club CEO and assistant coach came out and said he was strictly off limits.
[/QUOTE];)

Talk is cheap.

[RooDog]

And after reading that post - I have the trifecta.
gold jars:D

and i suppose that your rubbish paper over in perth is in no way biased towards the west coast and freo and you dont not have journos like rucci and ajars :rolleyes:

[Ford Fairlane]

im sorry crow eaters but your paper is shocking. its nothing short of a tabloid. u have rucci speaking out his *rse, making up things like beau waters and second round pick for stenglien. he wrote this 2days after the club CEO and assistant coach came out and said he was strictly off limits.

and then we have andrew jarman who is the saddest excuse for a writer i have read. i mean seriously, daniel kerr involved in a trade with lance fatnill and stenglien. run it by me again why we would trade a top3 midfield playmaker for our side who is 21 and already played 70games, and is west australian for a guy who wouldnt be in our best 5 midfielders. thats just plain stupid, and the club said that publicly yesterday. if jarman actually did some sort of semblance of research before he just made this up then he would have known of this. yes andrew, its called research.

oh and another thing, i no for a fact that sam butler isnt homesick although andrew said he "desperatley wants to come home". beau waters i dont know about, but butler is happy in WA.


i dont no how u can stand these 2 dingbats writing complete dribble day after day. i honestly feel for you.

Thankfully Jarman only writes a weekly column. But that's enough ...

[Kristof]

i think this is really positive from an eagles perspective. its basically ruled out the dockers, hence a bidding war.

Ummm - no it hasn't. Stenglein can negotiate any number of contracts - the CROWS have to be satisfied with a trade, not him. All WCE have established is their desperation.

I vividly remember when the Crows displayed how desperate we were to get Carey, him saying the Crows were his choice - and we all know how THAT ended up. We played our cards too early and had no "hand" in the negotiations - we had to do what the Kangas wanted, otherwise we looked ludicrous and impotent, like we couldn't close the deal.

WCE have to satisfy us now. They've shown how much they want Stenglein. Adelaide have been crap in negotiations in the past, so there's no guarentee that we're necessarily getting better than pick 12 - but maybe this year is when we decide to show that we've got a backbone.

[theorangeapple]

and i suppose that your rubbish paper over in perth is in no way biased towards the west coast and freo and you dont not have journos like rucci and ajars :rolleyes:

well, its certainly no remarkable journalism. but, its alot more conservative ie wont speculate on trades like the advertiser.

i dont have a problem with the advertiser being abit biased towards the SA clubs, thats expected. but its the making things up which is worrying. especially what jarman said on butler, that i know for certain is a lie.

[RooDog]

well, its certainly no remarkable journalism. but, its alot more conservative ie wont speculate on trades like the advertiser.

i dont have a problem with the advertiser being abit biased towards the SA clubs, thats expected. but its the making things up which is worrying. especially what jarman said on butler, that i know for certain is a lie.
fair enough then... cant say i have ever read the west australian(that what its called????) yes our paper does have a tendancy i wouldnt say to make stuff up but more to try and have a guess.. oh that probably is making stuff up... Jars is no better than what posters in here say il give you that, he just goes by his supposed sources like many people on here!

[baaaallllll]

Clubs do the trading of players, not the papers. Journalist write articles to sell papers. I would have thought most of the people on this board reading those types of articles would read them with a pinch of salt.

[Stiffy_18]

That rather depends on the Adelaide definition of keen and a 'very good trade'. Two weeks ago we were supposedly going to shell out Waters or Butler and Adelaide weren't interested in picks at all, now suddenly the suggestion seems to be that you'd be reasonably happy with our first rounder..

i don't think pick #12 is totally out of the question, but I do think it is a bit more than we would want to pay. As I've said before, I think the most likely outcome is a draft pick somewhere between our current 2nd and 1st round picks. (#28, #12)

One thing I do find very interesting is that if the article is reasonably spot on with the figures, if we're going to sign Stenglein on for that kind of money I don't think there is any way we can afford it if we don't trade someone on a bit more substantial salary. That signals that Morrison, Chambers, Braun, Wooden or possibly Wirrpunda may be on the way out.

Assuming Adelaide aren't interested in the likes of Morrison, I think it would be very likely to see us trade east to get another draft pick. If we could convince a victorian club to bite on the likes of Morrison + #28 for a draft pick in the #13-#20 range, that would make the Stenglein deal go a lot more smoothly-gives us another pick to leverage with, and would probably make us a bit more prepared to trade away a first rounder since we'd still have some presence in the draft.
Jesus christ mate. Do you honestly think this doesn't place Adelaide in the driver's seat?????? And We have not considered draft picks at all and as Trigg stated in that article we want a player that fits the criteria. We might in the end settle for your first rounder but anything later than that will be a big NO NO and you can bookmark it.

Fact is if you offered Stinger $800K over 3 years this early in the game shows that he is your #1 priority AND that WC are willing to pay the price. Tell me would a professional club like West Coast do a Collingwood of last year?????? I don't think so. This puts Adelaide very much in the driver's seat and by coming to term with Stenglein suggests that they are willing to do what it takes to get their man. Puts you in the same position that we were in with Carey where we had to pay over the odds to get him. You are deluded if you think Stenglein is not worth your 1st round pick.

I get the feeling you will be paying a lot more than you think;)

[Stiffy_18]

Ok that article is from the Age and I rate it as the best paper in the country. Believe me when I tell you anything you read in the Advertiser you do so with a pinch of salt. AJ has a weekly article and its always full of crock.

theorangeapple, tell me when is the last time your club lined up a player like they have with Stenglein and failed to deliver at trade table?????? I know for a fact that Adelaide would rather lose Stinger than get something below his value and if you think they will give in at the last minute then you are mistaken. I have it on a very good authority that we are more than prepared to do a Port Adelaide.

If you don't come up with a trade that will scare potential future trade prosepcts away. You sit back and watch how many players will be prepared to go to Collingwood this year. I would suggest not many because players first and foremost look after themselves. I am sure if we told Stinger that WC are not being cooperative in trade talks that he will listen to offers from Freo.

If I was WC supporter I would be a bit worried that we went in this early this hard because the chances of it backfiring are greater than than chances of success.

Time will tell but I feel more confident after I read that artice. I am sure we will get a very good deal for him and you guys will pay a bit more than you originally thought it would cost.

[Jabber]

theorangeapple, tell me when is the last time your club lined up a player like they have with Stenglein and failed to deliver at trade table?????? I know for a fact that Adelaide would rather lose Stinger than get something below his value and if you think they will give in at the last minute then you are mistaken. I have it on a very good authority that we are more than prepared to do a Port Adelaide.

If you don't come up with a trade that will scare potential future trade prosepcts away. You sit back and watch how many players will be prepared to go to Collingwood this year. I would suggest not many because players first and foremost look after themselves. I am sure if we told Stinger that WC are not being cooperative in trade talks that he will listen to offers from Freo.

If I was WC supporter I would be a bit worried that we went in this early this hard because the chances of it backfiring are greater than than chances of success.

Time will tell but I feel more confident after I read that artice. I am sure we will get a very good deal for him and you guys will pay a bit more than you originally thought it would cost.

I can't recall the Eagles ever pulling a move like this before, which is a little worrying. The salary he's been offered pretty much guarantees you will get a 1st team regular to give us the salary cap room. Probably still not going to be someone like Kerr though.

[Stiffy_18]

I can't recall the Eagles ever pulling a move like this before, which is a little worrying. The salary he's been offered pretty much guarantees you will get a 1st team regular to give us the salary cap room. Probably still not going to be someone like Kerr though.
I am not expecting Kerr either. As much as I would love player like Kerr I know we won't get him but I am more confident now of getting a good deal than I was a couple of days ago.

Also the only way I can see it now is a 3 way deal because the criteria stated by Trigg suggest that if it was someone from the Eagles it would have to be someone like Kerr or Cox which I just can't see happening.


BTW, is there still some biff between Cousins and Kerr?????? That might be one of the reasons we are pushing for Kerr:confused:

[Ripper]

Probably still not going to be someone like Kerr though.

He is going to be sprung free to come home to us so he doesn't have to play in the back pocket. ;)

[macca23]

Jesus christ mate. Do you honestly think this doesn't place Adelaide in the driver's seat?????? And We have not considered draft picks at all and as Trigg stated in that article we want a player that fits the criteria. We might in the end settle for your first rounder but anything later than that will be a big NO NO and you can bookmark it.

Fact is if you offered Stinger $800K over 3 years this early in the game shows that he is your #1 priority AND that WC are willing to pay the price. Tell me would a professional club like West Coast do a Collingwood of last Iear?????? I don't think so. This puts Adelaide very much in the driver's seat and by coming to term with Stenglein suggests that they are willing to do what it takes to get their man. Puts you in the same position that we were in with Carey where we had to pay over the odds to get him. You are deluded if you think Stenglein is not worth your 1st round pick.

I get the feeling you will be paying a lot more than you think;)

I'm really amazed that WCE have done what Adelaide did with Carey - played their cards too soon. It puts them in a very poor bargaining position, as the $800k for 3 years indicates just how highly they rate and want Stenglein.

Adelaide on the other hand have played it well to date. They have never deviated from the line that Stenglein is a required player and they are 100% happy not to do a deal and to keep him.

WCE want to buy - AFC doesn't necessarily want to sell. That makes it a sellers' market.

I'm with you Stiffy - I think the WCE supporters are in for a genuine surprise just how much their club will actually give to get Stenglein

[theorangeapple]

Ok that article is from the Age and I rate it as the best paper in the country. Believe me when I tell you anything you read in the Advertiser you do so with a pinch of salt. AJ has a weekly article and its always full of crock.

that article was written by a west australian reporter, they swap articles. we have some age correspondants and they get some of ours. (i thought the advertiser did that aswell). so its not up to the lofty age standards (who i also rate as australia's best paper).


theorangeapple, tell me when is the last time your club lined up a player like they have with Stenglein and failed to deliver at trade table?????? I know for a fact that Adelaide would rather lose Stinger than get something below his value and if you think they will give in at the last minute then you are mistaken. I have it on a very good authority that we are more than prepared to do a Port Adelaide.


well to be honest we dont really trade for high profile players. i think woosha is very big on the 'develop from within school of thought'.

i know we went very big for fevola last year (on the quiet) and similar with tarrant this year. but those 2 guys obviously were not so open to coming to us as stenglien has been.

to be honest i dont think your club can affort to do a port adelaide. i also think the port adelaide/ collingwood problem eventuated because the pies were being completely unreasonable, almost on the point arrogance, daring port to put him in the pre season draft, thinking they wouldnt have the balls. im sure we will try and statisfy your demands aslong as they are within reasonable boundaries. i will be interested to see what will happen, if you guys keep up this 'hard' line of wanting a quality player we may not come to the party. that could leave your club with a tough choice.

[Jabber]

BTW, is there still some biff between Cousins and Kerr?????? That might be one of the reasons we are pushing for Kerr:confused:

Ancient history, AFAIK everything is sweet now.
Kerr is also pretty good mates with Judd, which would also suggest he is less likely to be let go.

[Stiffy_18]

well to be honest we dont really trade for high profile players. i think woosha is very big on the 'develop from within school of thought'.

i know we went very big for fevola last year (on the quiet) and similar with tarrant this year. but those 2 guys obviously were not so open to coming to us as stenglien has been.

to be honest i dont think your club can affort to do a port adelaide. i also think the port adelaide/ collingwood problem eventuated because the pies were being completely unreasonable, almost on the point arrogance, daring port to put him in the pre season draft, thinking they wouldnt have the balls. im sure we will try and statisfy your demands aslong as they are within reasonable boundaries. i will be interested to see what will happen, if you guys keep up this 'hard' line of wanting a quality player we may not come to the party. that could leave your club with a tough choice.
We might not be able to afford a Port Adelaide but do not be mistaken thinking we won't because we have made a very clear decision that its about time we weren't so accomodating and we will play hardball all the way. There is a lot to gain by being this way. Either get what we are after or let Stinger go for free. That will send a message to the other interstaters on our list that the club will not be pushed around.

If WC back away from the deal now, I can guarantee you it will ruin their reputation among players. Collingwood will not get a name player for some time now because of what happened with Stevens. And club also learns that Port Adelaide is fair dinkum and will not be budged. Smae principle will apply here.

You have to admit in order for your club to do what it has, they must be confident they can compensate Adelaide, otherwise they would not put themselves in the position that they have. Which ever way you look at it, it gives Adelaide upper hand in the negotiations.

We are talking about 2 professional clubs and history suggests that the deal will get done and you might have to pay a bit more than what you initially thought you might

[Stiffy_18]

Ancient history, AFAIK everything is sweet now.
Kerr is also pretty good mates with Judd, which would also suggest he is less likely to be let go.
Thanks for that:)

[Exeter]

While the touted $800k was a bit of a surprise I don't think the Eagles will sell the farm to get Stinger.

West Coast are pretty good at this negotiating game and I still think the deal is mroe likely to be either a first round pick and a second tier player or a second round pick and a player like Braun (not necessarily him specifically).

We aslo don't know yet if the trade, if it goes ahead, will include a third or even a fourth party.

Cox is our number 1 ruck from now on, and I doubt they'll let Seaby go. I'd be staggered if Kerr went anywhere.

[coasting]

The deal had the twofold purpose of getting Fremantle out of the equation as well as letting the Crows know he is already gone and won't be coming back. I expect a deal to get done with 10 minutes left on the last day of trade week. Would be surprised if the Crows knocked back pick 12 and sent him into the preseason draft but it would be no skin off our nose. I expect our recruiters to get another Beau Waters type with our first round pick.

[theorangeapple]

260k a year isnt a massive amount. considering this contract is going to take him through his prime (25-28) its probly about fair really. plus we are poaching him from another club, so that adds on alitte bit more and he's having to relocate.

[peterss]

The eagles would have to be stupid to trade Cox to the crows with gardiner always a chance of getting injured then if he does we wouldnt have a decent ruckman if he did get injured.

As for the Kerr rumour that in my opinion could be a good deal because come to think about it Kerr doesnt or hasnt really been performing on the road lately for us and maybe a change in lifestyle could change that.

I still think that a possible trade deal would be that the crows get Seaby and our 1st or 2nd round draft pick and we get Stenglein in retun what you all think of that idea for a trade???

or possibly seaby, wooden and 1st or 2nd round draft pick???

[Exeter]

The eagles would have to be stupid to trade Cox to the crows with gardiner always a chance of getting injured then if he does we wouldnt have a decent ruckman if he did get injured.

As for the Kerr rumour that in my opinion could be a good deal because come to think about it Kerr doesnt or hasnt really been performing on the road lately for us and maybe a change in lifestyle could change that.

I still think that a possible trade deal would be that the crows get Seaby and our 1st or 2nd round draft pick and we get Stenglein in retun what you all think of that idea for a trade???

or possibly seaby, wooden and 1st or 2nd round draft pick???

I'm glad you're not leading our trade negotiations

[coasting]

The eagles would have to be stupid to trade Cox to the crows with gardiner always a chance of getting injured then if he does we wouldnt have a decent ruckman if he did get injured.

As for the Kerr rumour that in my opinion could be a good deal because come to think about it Kerr doesnt or hasnt really been performing on the road lately for us and maybe a change in lifestyle could change that.

I still think that a possible trade deal would be that the crows get Seaby and our 1st or 2nd round draft pick and we get Stenglein in retun what you all think of that idea for a trade???

or possibly seaby, wooden and 1st or 2nd round draft pick???

The crows would knock you over in a rush to sign either deal.

[Jabber]

I still think that a possible trade deal would be that the crows get Seaby and our 1st or 2nd round draft pick and we get Stenglein in retun what you all think of that idea for a trade???

or possibly seaby, wooden and 1st or 2nd round draft pick???

Your John Reid aren't you?

[macca23]

Your John Reid aren't you?

:D

Yeah, we might consider that deal!! :D

[dyertribe]

Your John Reid aren't you?

Come on mate, below the belt... you take that back. :D

[nurries]

Stenglein to WC
Kerr to Freo
Simmonds & 2nd Round pick to crows

Done

[baaaallllll]

Wouldn't mind betting a third club gets involved.

Stinger to West Coast,

Picks and 2nd tier players to Melbourne

Rivers to Adelaide

???

[Blue Red and Gold]

Well this new development is very pleasing for news for us.
Im not trying to start anything here with the WC supporters because I think they are the best group of opposition supporters on BF but I think the latest news has had an effect on them.
remember early when news of Stinger leaving became common knowledge all they were prepared to offer was a 2nd round pick and someone called Adkins.
Now we have them saying that they might be prepared to give up first round, Braun, Morrison, Wirripunda and some nut case who even said Kerr :D
Their opinions are shifting and its only early days so I feel this is very promising.
Im looking forward to trade week and I hope both clubs will come out a winner with the deal.

[Exeter]

Well this new development is very pleasing for news for us.
Im not trying to start anything here with the WC supporters because I think they are the best group of opposition supporters on BF but I think the latest news has had an effect on them.
remember early when news of Stinger leaving became common knowledge all they were prepared to offer was a 2nd round pick and someone called Adkins.
Now we have them saying that they might be prepared to give up first round, Braun, Morrison, Wirripunda and some nut case who even said Kerr :D
Their opinions are shifting and its only early days so I feel this is very promising.
Im looking forward to trade week and I hope both clubs will come out a winner with the deal.

Judd, Kerr and our first round draft pick for Stenglein and Carey.

Take it or leave it.

[rgauci]

Stenglein to WC
Kerr to Freo
Simmonds & 2nd Round pick to crows

Done

Not sure if i'm being biased here (probably am). But im pretty sure that Simmonds plus 2nd round would fetch more than just Stenglein.

In fact i'd be so biased to suggest that the deal would be more likely
Stenglein + 2nd round = Simmonds + 3rd/4th round.

Well i'd also be so biased to predict that Simmonds may be used in a 3 way trade to snare us J. Carr from Port. Which at the moment J.Carr > Stenglein