View Full Version : Chance Bateman to Freo
Just hoping at this stage, but what is his availability, is he rated at Hawthorn?
Is hard at the player & ball, booming kick, natural leader, would look great in purple, & is an x-Sandgroper.
James Walker for Chance Bateman?
bettsie
20 Sep 2004, 12:49
just signed for 2 years.
He can still be traded though, would Clarkson entertain the idea? Afterall he is a West Australian, & there is a growing trend that they are leaving Vic clubs to return home after a couple of years.
dipper86
20 Sep 2004, 13:09
yeh it is possible for him to be traded but not for the rubbish your dealing up.
ImperialPurple
20 Sep 2004, 13:10
Jimmy Walker is hardly rubbish...
You'd have to chuck in a pick to get Walker for Bateman.
He can still be traded though, would Clarkson entertain the idea? Afterall he is a West Australian, & there is a growing trend that they are leaving Vic clubs to return home after a couple of years.
Can only be traded if all 3 parties (Bateman, Hawthorn and Freo) agree to terms, which isn't going to happen.
A few years ago when Chance's sister tragically passed away, Hawthorn said they wouldn't stand in his way if he wanted to return to the West. He decided to stay. Loves the club, the club love him, and NO WAY will he be leaving for a looooong time, if at all.
Next.
ImperialPurple
20 Sep 2004, 13:21
He decided to stay. Loves the club, the club love him, and NO WAY will he be leaving for a looooong time, if at all.
Next.
Good on him - that shows great character and loyalty. Good luck to him and hope he has a successful carreer at Hawthorn.
dipper86
20 Sep 2004, 13:27
Walker for Bateman and a pick.
C'mon. 'Walker' who is he!!!
nice try but no cigar.
keep your no name s%@tkicker.
ImperialPurple
20 Sep 2004, 13:30
Don't watch much footy ey dipper? :rolleyes:
ThatThis
20 Sep 2004, 14:10
Walker >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bateman
I hope collingwood chases him. Bateman can keep his pineapple head at hawthorn, williams too.
ImperialPurple
20 Sep 2004, 14:18
Good response ThatThis... ;)
I would hate to see Jimmy traded - I don't think he's missed a game for 3 years, and would always be one of the first picked. He has a few quiet games now and again, but he's quick (very quick) and reliable and usually manages to blanket his opponent and pick up a few touches himself. Uses the ball well too more often than not. He is definitely our Quiet Achiever.
Easily one of my favoutite players, but if he were to go, i would hope it's to the Pies given his family's long and proud history with your club. We don't call him "Grandson" for nothing! :)
Nightwolf
20 Sep 2004, 14:20
If Bateman just signed, it is obvious that the club wants him and wont deal on him. Bateman will be a star in a few years, you're dreaming!
dipper86
20 Sep 2004, 14:24
I watch enough footy to know that Walker is just your average footballer. if your going to throw around trades atleast try to make it a little fair. as for Bateman's hair, he can always cut it, but Ryce Shaw is gonna be stuck with that mongaloid head for the rest of his life. ditto buckly.
I watch enough footy to know that Walker is just your average footballer. if your going to throw around trades atleast try to make it a little fair. as for Bateman's hair, he can always cut it, but Ryce Shaw is gonna be stuck with that mongaloid head for the rest of his life. ditto buckly.
Walker may be an average footballer, but what do you think Chance Bateman is. Gee some people overrate their own players. l know that trade wont ever happen, but Hawks would be knobs if they didnt go for a Walker?Bateman trade.
Wrath
ImperialPurple
20 Sep 2004, 14:41
I watch enough footy to know that Walker is just your average footballer. if your going to throw around trades atleast try to make it a little fair. as for Bateman's hair, he can always cut it, but Ryce Shaw is gonna be stuck with that mongaloid head for the rest of his life. ditto buckly.
When you start making ridiculous comments like that it becomes obvious there's no point trying to discuss anything on a serious note with you.
walker > bateman - now.
No-one knows what that will look like in 2-3 years. Obviously the hawks rate Chance - good on 'em and good on him.
I would consider it way in the hawks favour if we were to do that trade. Jimmy is a good, solid, dependable, consistent contributor (beat Judd soundly earlier in the year too). Every team needs blokes like that. I am more than happy to keep him.
dipper86
20 Sep 2004, 14:42
[QUOTE=Wrath]Walker may be an average footballer, but what do you think Chance Bateman is. Gee some people overrate their own players. l know that trade wont ever happen, but Hawks would be knobs if they didnt go for a Walker?Bateman trade.
Wrath[/QUOTE
Fact is Hawthorn are crap side, Chance Bateman has one us games with his hard ball gets, and a couple of match winning goals, now i know he suffers alot of injurys, but one thing i know is that if he was such an ordinary player why would Fremantle be intrested in him. And if Walker is so much better than him why would you offer him as Trade bait in this post.
superstar
20 Sep 2004, 14:53
Bateman's going nowhere.
One of the few players with genuine talent and character on our list. Quick, tough, great skills and he loves the club. Constant hamstring problems are the only thing that continue to hold him back.
If he ever gets injury free i'm confident he'll be a star and a leader, and I can't say that about too many at Hawthorn.
Agree that Walker has achieved more than Bateman to the point in their respective careers. I do believe that Bateman has considerably more potential though.
Would not be that unhappy to part with Williams if you want to offer something, although he too has considerable talent. Lacks the application to ever become a really good player though.
ImperialPurple
20 Sep 2004, 15:00
[QUOTE=Wrath]Walker may be an average footballer, but what do you think Chance Bateman is. Gee some people overrate their own players. l know that trade wont ever happen, but Hawks would be knobs if they didnt go for a Walker?Bateman trade.
Wrath[/QUOTE
Fact is Hawthorn are crap side, Chance Bateman has one us games with his hard ball gets, and a couple of match winning goals, now i know he suffers alot of injurys, but one thing i know is that if he was such an ordinary player why would Fremantle be intrested in him. And if Walker is so much better than him why would you offer him as Trade bait in this post.
There has been one supporter (remember we don't actually do the trades!! ;) ) who likes what he sees in Chance. And why not he's a good footballer and he's a West Aussie, so that would make him more attractive to a WA team because of all the obvious reasons.
No way would I want to give up Walker, but in order to get someone of reasonable quality a club has to be prepared to give up some quality.
Also, CC has mentioned that he would prefer to get some WA players home (again because of all the obvious reasons) and Jimmy is a Vic, so it would make more sense to send a Vic boy home (althoug he has been here for 7 years now, so maybe this is "home" now), than send over someone who may want to come back again after a few years anyway.
I can also feel that there will be a number of changes made at Freo, esp given the nature of our fade-out in the second half of the season.
If we had said Cunningham for Bateman, then you would have the right to laugh at us... :D
raffrox
20 Sep 2004, 15:16
Bateman's going nowhere.
One of the few players with genuine talent and character on our list. Quick, tough, great skills and he loves the club. Constant hamstring problems are the only thing that continue to hold him back.
If he ever gets injury free i'm confident he'll be a star and a leader, and I can't say that about too many at Hawthorn.
Agree that Walker has achieved more than Bateman to the point in their respective careers. I do believe that Bateman has considerably more potential though.
Would not be that unhappy to part with Williams if you want to offer something, although he too has considerable talent. Lacks the application to ever become a really good player though.
The forward line for the ages. Medhurst, Farmer, Williams. They can have competitions for who can do the best goal celebration. ;)
Walkers possessions this year... 15.6
Batemans possessions this year... 12.4
James Walker has played in every Freo game for the last 3 years (22,23,22). Bateman in the last two has managed 11 and 13 games (career high). Walkers only had 2 more years in the AFL too (5 seasons for Bateman and 7 for Walker). So the development argument really isn't there either.
Pretty similar players except one is just a hell of a lot more consistent and durable. Seems a realistic trade to me.
dipper86
20 Sep 2004, 15:18
There has been one supporter (remember we don't actually do the trades!! ;) ) who likes what he sees in Chance. And why not he's a good footballer and he's a West Aussie, so that would make him more attractive to a WA team because of all the obvious reasons.
No way would I want to give up Walker, but in order to get someone of reasonable quality a club has to be prepared to give up some quality.
Also, CC has mentioned that he would prefer to get some WA players home (again because of all the obvious reasons) and Jimmy is a Vic, so it would make more sense to send a Vic boy home (althoug he has been here for 7 years now, so maybe this is "home" now), than send over someone who may want to come back again after a few years anyway.
I can also feel that there will be a number of changes made at Freo, esp given the nature of our fade-out in the second half of the season.
If we had said Cunningham for Bateman, then you would have the right to laugh at us... :D
Yes i know he' s from WA and walker is from Victoria. thats not what i was getting at. and also yes i know its not Fremantle offering this hypothetical trade, as i stated in my post.
What i was saying is why would a club offer there good player being Walker. for a player who they think is not better ?( Bateman ). The reason you prolly think bateman would be better in your side. true. wouldnt that make him a player with more potential than walker. I dont know?
this topic is doing my head in.
its not gonna happen so im getting over it. :)
ImperialPurple
20 Sep 2004, 15:23
its not gonna happen so im getting over it. :)
:D
I think Plugga (as in the freo supporter) believes that Chance's in and under qualities are better than Jimmy's and would therefore help to fix one of Freo's deficiencies. they play different roles and while Jimmy does very well for us in the role he plays, perhaps the thinking is that Chance could offer us something in an area where we are lacking.
Whether that makes him a "better" player, or just a "different" player is actually irrelevant when you look at it that way. :)
superstar
20 Sep 2004, 15:42
Pretty similar players except one is just a hell of a lot more consistent and durable. Seems a realistic trade to me.
Who people rate higher comes down to opinion and is irrelevant.
Bateman will not be traded. He re-signed about a month ago and is definitely considered an integral part of our future. I'm also led to believe he has little time for either WA teams after neither showed any interest four years ago when his sister was killed and he wanted to return home. He's very much a Hawthorn person.
Agree that Williams would not be a required player at Freo but the only other WA bloke we have is Hay. I think we'll keep him too. Doesn't look like we'll be trading together.
Kenny_01
20 Sep 2004, 15:55
As a Freo supporter, I'd do this. Walker is a good consistant defensive player but when Bateman gets on the field, he is more and more impressive every time I see him. Didn't rate him highly last year but after seeing him play this year, he will be a a very very good player.
dipper86
20 Sep 2004, 16:19
As a Freo supporter, I'd do this. Walker is a good consistant defensive player but when Bateman gets on the field, he is more and more impressive every time I see him. Didn't rate him highly last year but after seeing him play this year, he will be a a very very good player.
Thats exactly my point, that is why Hawthorn would be stupid to trade him. He is getting better year by year. he is an attacking player but can also be played as defenive also, thyere is still alot of scope for improvement with this boy.
mattyc2422
20 Sep 2004, 16:42
Will.
Not.
Happen.
Next.
Alot of good comments here...obviously is was a wishlist of mine, which is likely not to happen considering he only signed recently. Walker would be on a par with Bateman, but as stated by IP, they are different players, Walker accountable & more defensive, Bateman - tough, long kicking, flair.
Good luck to him staying at the Hawks, he looks like he'll be a quality player...besides we pulled a coup from you guys when we got Luke McPharlin back for hardly anything, & I won't mention anything about Trent returning to the Hawthorn nest (Cheers for that!!!). :rolleyes:
TRIGGAMAN
20 Sep 2004, 20:24
Not suprised to see people asking about Bateman. He will be a star.
mulhollanddrive
20 Sep 2004, 20:48
You wish. Bateman re-signed and cant be traded under the heffernan rule.
raffrox
20 Sep 2004, 21:41
You wish. Bateman re-signed and cant be traded under the heffernan rule.
Gees. Batemans an ok player but he ain't a superstar. I guess after the Mc Pharlin trade and you guys taking Croad back you wouldn't like Freo much.
Teagueeee15
21 Sep 2004, 10:12
Bateman for Walker would be a very fair trade.
I think walker was a top 6 pick in the 98 draft and Bateman was pick 49 in the 99 draft so they are preety much the same age. Both would be going back to their home state as well.
Good luck to him staying at the Hawks, he looks like he'll be a quality player...besides we pulled a coup from you guys when we got Luke McPharlin back for hardly anything, & I won't mention anything about Trent returning to the Hawthorn nest (Cheers for that!!!). :rolleyes:
What a very odd thing to write!
Effectively, for Luke McPharlin, we got Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell - hardly a 'coup'. :rolleyes: and I'll raise you another :rolleyes:
Can`t understand how such an average player can cause so much typing.
If Bateman just signed, it is obvious that the club wants him and wont deal on him. Bateman will be a star in a few years, you're dreaming!
A club can not trade a player it has just signed the same year.
Tony_Clifton
21 Sep 2004, 14:20
What a very odd thing to write!
Effectively, for Luke McPharlin, we got Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell - hardly a 'coup'. :rolleyes: and I'll raise you another :rolleyes:Nevermind Ryley Dunn
Nevermind Ryley Dunn
Rumour has it he's leaving, does it not? Hasn't played a senior game yet?
Tony_Clifton
21 Sep 2004, 14:51
Rumour has it he's leaving, does it not? Hasn't played a senior game yet?
Rumour that hes leaving (even though unfounded) makes no difference to the fact you left him out of your calculation. And yes he has played a senior game. Anything else genius?
Rumour that hes leaving (even though unfounded) makes no difference to the fact you left him out of your calculation. And yes he has played a senior game. Anything else genius?
If you bothered to read all of the posts, you would have noticed that Plugga stated that the deal involving Croad/McPharlin for picks 1 and 36 was a 'coup' for Freo - my point is that it was hardly a 'coup' when Croad comes back for a pick that may well end up leaving you guys after one year - simple enough for ya?????
:rolleyes:
Tony_Clifton
21 Sep 2004, 15:24
If you bothered to read all of the posts, you would have noticed that Plugga stated that the deal involving Croad/McPharlin for picks 1 and 36 was a 'coup' for Freo - my point is that it was hardly a 'coup' when Croad comes back for a pick that may well end up leaving you guys after one year - simple enough for ya?????
:rolleyes:
But your original reference to hardly a coup was
"Effectively, for Luke McPharlin, we got Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell"
with no reference to the pick.
You have since acknowleged the relevance of the pick (the point I am making) and decided brush it off by discrediting it through thin rumours and innuendo. And even if he did leave there would still be something in return. I am sure Ryley Dunn on the open market would be a wanted man.
Too complicated for ya??????
But your original reference to hardly a coup was
"Effectively, for Luke McPharlin, we got Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell"
with no reference to the pick.
You have since acknowleged the relevance of the pick (the point I am making) and decided brush it off by discrediting it through thin rumours and innuendo. And even if he did leave there would still be something in return. I am sure Ryley Dunn on the open market would be a wanted man.
Too complicated for ya??????
Do you think the word 'effectively' was put there for no reason????
The magnitude of the trade changes with every game, let alone every season. As it stands AT THE MOMENT, Dunne's impact on the trade is negligible. What if Dunne is simply delisted? Can't guess what is going to happen - my reference to him was vindicated with 'rumour has it', not my opinion. For your sake I hope he goes on to be a good player, but as it stands, he has had no influence on the trade.
Tony_Clifton
21 Sep 2004, 15:53
So effectively the Hawks giving pick 10 (Dunn) to freo is according to you irrelevent/negligible to the situation. I don't think so. And for what its worth, I agree with the hardly a coup thing.
So going by your theory with Dunn being irrelevent, you got Croad back for nothing.
Cheeky!! You changed your post half-way through my reply!
Until Dunn is proven to be a worthwhile acquisition, a dud, or in between, his impact on the trade AT THE MOMENT is negligible (I never used the word irrelevent) imo. In time, that will change one way or another, but neither of us can predict how. My comments in regards to Plugga is based purely on the relative abilities and impact of the trade, now.
Your words about us getting Croad back for nothing, not mine.
Tony_Clifton
21 Sep 2004, 16:11
Until Dunn is proven to be a worthwhile acquisition, a dud, or in between, his impact on the trade AT THE MOMENT is negligible (I never used the word irrelevent) imo. .
We shall agree to disagree on this point.
So effectively the Hawks giving pick 10 (Dunn) to freo is according to you irrelevent/negligible to the situation. I don't think so. And for what its worth, I agree with the hardly a coup thing.
So going by your theory with Dunn being irrelevent, you got Croad back for nothing.
Considering he was swapped for the No.1 pick in the Hodge , Ball , Judd draft, his value took a big dive in 2 years.
Hawks sold high and bought low and came out it very well.
I think Freo came out better. Would rather have a tall player, than a midfielder who has done/proved nothing in the 3 years at your club, ie Hodge. Mitchell had one good year, & was pretty bad this year, albeit injured half the time.
McPharlin would have been All Australian CHB if he hadn't of broken his collarbone. Was a very happy man when Croad left freo back to you guys, he is one of the most overrated players in history, no wonder you guys finished last with him in your backline.
& before u say it...yes, I know he was one of you best players this year, & when you finish 16th and Trent Croad is one of your best performed players, it's not very hard to see why you ended where you did.
Good luck for 2005 :D
End of this thread for me....
Considering he was swapped for the No.1 pick in the Hodge , Ball , Judd draft, his value took a big dive in 2 years.
Hawks sold high and bought low and came out it very well.
I think we are quite happy with effectively getting Macharlap , Polly , Browne , Medastar , Gilmore & 211 and 2 years of Media focus & increased membership & attendances that Croadie bought out of that draft.
Tony_Clifton
21 Sep 2004, 16:54
Considering he was swapped for the No.1 pick in the Hodge , Ball , Judd draft, his value took a big dive in 2 years.
Hawks sold high and bought low and came out it very well.
Agree entirely, don't see its revelance to what ramma and I were going on about though.
I think Freo came out better. Would rather have a tall player, than a midfielder who has done/proved nothing in the 3 years at your club, ie Hodge.
Of course you do , but if you were impartial you would probably see it another way!
McPharlin would have been All Australian CHB if he hadn't of broken his collarbone. Was a very happy man when Croad left freo back to you guys, he is one of the most overrated players in history, no wonder you guys finished last with him in your backline.
You losing credibility!
& before u say it...yes, I know he was one of you best players this year, & when you finish 16th and Trent Croad is one of your best performed players, it's not very hard to see why you ended where you did.
haven't seen much footy have you???
Good luck for 2005 :D
End of this thread for me....
thank god!