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Trade an Akermanis or a Leppitsch to gain a good first rnd draft pick or two to start rebuilding now for the future or is that being to drastic ?
scarlett
3 Oct 2004, 14:22
WAY too drastic! :)
campbell
3 Oct 2004, 14:28
WAY too drastic! :)
I know, why trade great players, to have them play against well against you.Its now something we have done in the past, so lets not start now.
We have a good young brigade coming through,lets be happy we have recruited well in the past 3 years.
I am so looking forward to watching Merritt and Spaanderman next season.
Tezmyster
3 Oct 2004, 16:27
Trade an Akermanis or a Leppitsch to gain a good first rnd draft pick or two to start rebuilding now for the future or is that being to drastic ?We've already lost enough good players to retirement to throw some of the remaining good ones away on draft picks. Do that and we'll end up with a team almost full of rookies that will take years to make into a fully fledged team.
FattyLumpkin
3 Oct 2004, 17:01
Depends on what was on offer!!
Realistically, I'd keep em both. May want to throw Leppa up front again. Are the rumours I've heard about Bizzell wanting to move true?? He could be a good get (him or that other Qlder Hudgton) & allow Leppa to be released up front.
Fatty
We've already lost enough good players to retirement to throw some of the remaining good ones away on draft picks. Do that and we'll end up with a team almost full of rookies that will take years to make into a fully fledged team.
Exactly right, and players such as Leppitsch and Akermanis still have a lot of good footy left in them. And both are important to keep around while the younger players develop........just as long as Aker doesn't hand out any tips on public speaking to any of them! :p hahaha
Trade an Akermanis or a Leppitsch to gain a good first rnd draft pick or two to start rebuilding now for the future or is that being to drastic ?
You should never say never.
I think the age distribution curve at the club is an issue that needs to be tackled. The bunch of players we have in the 27-29 age group (Aka, the Scotts, Leppa, Johnson, Lappin, etc) have been so good that they took some of the opportunities that would normally have gone to the guys in the next generation or two down.
A similar thing happened with the Aussie cricket side, with the Waughs, Tubby, Jones & Boon taking some of the chances that Siddons, Lehman, Langer, Martyn and Hayden would have got much earlier. Most of these guys never got an opportunity till they were in their late 20's.
We're thin on blokes from 21-25 and 70-120 games and that needs to be addressed sooner than later. Our senior guys have been able to provide some protection to the guys that have come through in the last 3 years (Copeland, McGrath, Charman and Hadley). But in 4 years they will need to be the guys approaching 200 games and providing a vanguard to help bring the new kids of 2009 though.
If you hang on too long and then all of a sudden get a wave of retirements, you get Carlton 2002-03. Veteran champs (Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Manton) no longer physically able to carry the kids (Livingstone, Thornton, Sporn, Beasy), who are then chopped up and often mentally-scarred without the support.
Not a happy place to be.
If you hang on too long and then all of a sudden get a wave of retirements, you get Carlton 2002-03. Veteran champs (Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Manton) no longer physically able to carry the kids (Livingstone, Thornton, Sporn, Beasy), who are then chopped up and often mentally-scarred without the support.
Not a happy place to be.
Glad you brought up Carlton there xplo, Couldn't have thought of a better example.
On that basis why would we want a Bizzell (29yo) or Hudghton (28yo)? Developing the list from within is he way to go
Glad you brought up Carlton there xplo, Couldn't have thought of a better example.
On that basis why would we want a Bizzell (29yo) or Hudghton (28yo)? Developing the list from within is he way to go
Yeah, I don't think they're the answer. You'd seriously have to look at the 30-80 game players at clubs that have lots of 'their type'. Enright can play, but has been overtaken by a few others at Geelong.
The doggies have a few too many kids to concentrate on getting the most out of each one of them, so the experience and hardness of a bloke like Brad Scott would be valuable to them. West has been killing himself in there by himself for years.
Likewise, blokes like Birss, Cross and Hargrave would likely thrive with a bit more support around them.
Win/win.
You should never say never.
I think the age distribution curve at the club is an issue that needs to be tackled. The bunch of players we have in the 27-29 age group (Aka, the Scotts, Leppa, Johnson, Lappin, etc) have been so good that they took some of the opportunities that would normally have gone to the guys in the next generation or two down.
A similar thing happened with the Aussie cricket side, with the Waughs, Tubby, Jones & Boon taking some of the chances that Siddons, Lehman, Langer, Martyn and Hayden would have got much earlier. Most of these guys never got an opportunity till they were in their late 20's.
We're thin on blokes from 21-25 and 70-120 games and that needs to be addressed sooner than later. Our senior guys have been able to provide some protection to the guys that have come through in the last 3 years (Copeland, McGrath, Charman and Hadley). But in 4 years they will need to be the guys approaching 200 games and providing a vanguard to help bring the new kids of 2009 though.
If you hang on too long and then all of a sudden get a wave of retirements, you get Carlton 2002-03. Veteran champs (Bradley, Ratten, McKay, Manton) no longer physically able to carry the kids (Livingstone, Thornton, Sporn, Beasy), who are then chopped up and often mentally-scarred without the support.
Not a happy place to be.This is my line of thinking entirely xplo and the reason why i posed the question ;)
The way i see the lions at the minute is there will be a wave of retirements in the next 2-3 years and you look at the draft situation this year there is very little in the way of decent draft picks , that won`t happen until if and when you slide down the ladder so do you start acting now or eneviably plummet in 3-4 years time ?
This is an outsiders perspective of Akermanis . Absolute superstar . My favourite player in the league to watch ( please , i`m not patronising ) ....
I think the way he is so outspoken is fantastic for the game and there should be more of it instead of the routine " We`re just taking one week at a time "routine .
But , i think he is a bit of a lose cannon ( pretty well documented ) .Being an outsider it a bit hard to judge but i don`t see him as all that great leadership material .And i don`t think it is any secret that him and Matthews aren`t the best of mates. I read an interview with him a couple of months ago and he said that the most he has ever earned in one season is $290,000 . Could you imagine the money clubs would be throwing at him if he was on the market ? Trade him to a vic club and reckon alone he would put another 5-10,000 bums on seats each week .
I reckon you would get two first rnd draft picks for him. Would would go a long way to starting the next dynasty .He gets to earn a bucketload of cash and everyone is happy.
Just a bit of food for thought
Yep, I think the club would be silly not to at least consider these sort of possibilities. The people at every club that love to hate him would learn to love him pretty quick when he starts slotting them from the boundary twice a game.
It's always hard when neither party is particularly disguntled with the other though. Football clubs are strange organisations - not quite families but not quite pure businesses either.
Sheedy seems to have a reasonable history of trading players away without getting destroyed by the diehards. Mark Johnson has done nothing wrong, but he's getting shopped around.
This is my line of thinking entirely xplo and the reason why i posed the question ;)
The way i see the lions at the minute is there will be a wave of retirements in the next 2-3 years and you look at the draft situation this year there is very little in the way of decent draft picks , that won`t happen until if and when you slide down the ladder so do you start acting now or eneviably plummet in 3-4 years time ?
This is an outsiders perspective of Akermanis . Absolute superstar . My favourite player in the league to watch ( please , i`m not patronising ) ....
I think the way he is so outspoken is fantastic for the game and there should be more of it instead of the routine " We`re just taking one week at a time "routine .
But , i think he is a bit of a lose cannon ( pretty well documented ) .Being an outsider it a bit hard to judge but i don`t see him as all that great leadership material .And i don`t think it is any secret that him and Matthews aren`t the best of mates. I read an interview with him a couple of months ago and he said that the most he has ever earned in one season is $290,000 . Could you imagine the money clubs would be throwing at him if he was on the market ? Trade him to a vic club and reckon alone he would put another 5-10,000 bums on seats each week .
I reckon you would get two first rnd draft picks for him. Would would go a long way to starting the next dynasty .He gets to earn a bucketload of cash and everyone is happy.
Just a bit of food for thoughtHate to bring this up boys and girls but :o ....2004
Lady Lawrence
12 May 2006, 10:08
No but I would get rid of Crackers. I am sick and tired of this bloke being permanently injured, allegedly costing us a fortune in salary and then knocking off someone else when he comes good be it a final or not etc etc. If Jamie and Beau carry on injury free this season regardless of results on the field they should under no circumstances be dropped for Keating. Jamie and Beau are our future Crackers is our past. Let him go.
Seriously though, would any other club want him?
Oh and as far a s Leppa is concerned I'd be dropping him back to the 2's as well. Don;t believe his form is any better than Aker's, in my opinion he is about 30% below Aker's current form so if you take the 90% Form 10% other stuff equation into account that Vossy gave re Aker, Justin should definitly go down for a while.
Lady Lawrence
12 May 2006, 10:42
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Just seen that Leppa is out this week as well.
If he is carrying an injury preventing him from playing I wish they would tell us then I wouldn't be so down on him I am sick of saying f***ing hell Leppa during the games.
I am sick of saying f***ing hell Leppa during the games.
I just sick of saying f***ing hell >insert player's name here< during the game!!!
Hate to bring this up boys and girls but :o ....2004
Yep, makes interesting reading, doesn't it.
I doubt they never considered it, but it's often easier said than done
Moving guys like Leppa would have been hard with back-ended contracts. Playing hard-ball with the Scott boys would have been dangerous to fabric of the club -- the oft' sited example of Adrian Fletcher's move to Freo in 1998 being the lesson. He was a popular bloke, morale deflated and we finished last that year.
We snagged Power with that draft pick, but it's harder to predict what the consequences would have been in 2004 -- I doubt either Scott could have brought a top 5 pick, like Fletch did. Aka won our b&F last year.
But interesting to consider, nonetheless.
Rawhead
12 May 2006, 13:17
Would I sell my first born to get a younger more attractive child.
Never!
But what about you're second born, Rawhead? They're always trouble, them second kids ;)
And what if this new child was more attractive, AND could hit a golf ball further than Tiger Woods?
Grimreepah
12 May 2006, 19:04
Would I sell my first born to get a younger more attractive child.
Never!
Does this mean you were against trading Jared Molloy for Mal Michael.
Would I sell my first born to get a younger more attractive child.
Never!Still hoping Jonny Gastev can make a comeback then ?
Would I sell my first born to get a younger more attractive child.
Never!
Shouldn't your sentence read?
Would I sell my wife to get a YOUNGER more attractive model?:D
Shouldn't your sentence read?
Would I sell my wife to get a YOUNGER more attractive model?:D
Or would you sell your first wife... :D
Or would you sell your first wife... :D
Why stop at first...:D
Bobby Beecroft
13 May 2006, 10:28
This is my line of thinking entirely xplo and the reason why i posed the question ;)
The way i see the lions at the minute is there will be a wave of retirements in the next 2-3 years and you look at the draft situation this year there is very little in the way of decent draft picks , that won`t happen until if and when you slide down the ladder so do you start acting now or eneviably plummet in 3-4 years time ?
This is an outsiders perspective of Akermanis . Absolute superstar . My favourite player in the league to watch ( please , i`m not patronising ) ....
I think the way he is so outspoken is fantastic for the game and there should be more of it instead of the routine " We`re just taking one week at a time "routine .
But , i think he is a bit of a lose cannon ( pretty well documented ) .Being an outsider it a bit hard to judge but i don`t see him as all that great leadership material .And i don`t think it is any secret that him and Matthews aren`t the best of mates. I read an interview with him a couple of months ago and he said that the most he has ever earned in one season is $290,000 . Could you imagine the money clubs would be throwing at him if he was on the market ? Trade him to a vic club and reckon alone he would put another 5-10,000 bums on seats each week .
I reckon you would get two first rnd draft picks for him. Would would go a long way to starting the next dynasty .He gets to earn a bucketload of cash and everyone is happy.
Just a bit of food for thought
Done for two mid 1st round picks.
We have to move on & re-build.
Whilst it hurts to lose stars that have been outstanding servants for the club, its a fact that the guys approaching 30 will not be around, when we next challenge next.
Hawthorn have had the guts to trade off some of what we regarded as their major assets at the time, & this will be a major part in them eventually rising.
That said we do need to keep some experience but those that are TEAM orientated should only survive, you can't cast off everyone. No doubt we will have further retirements in the next 2 seasons, so the experience balance will become delicate.
The possibilty of 3 top 10 drafts in this years bumper draft, is one that I believe is worth a punt. If this means Aker moves on then so be it, the move could be beneficial for both parties.
Not that I think it will happen.
Win/Win trades are getting tougher each year with fewer clubs prepared to punt & make tough decisions.
Grimreepah
13 May 2006, 10:44
Not that I think it will happen.
Win/Win trades are getting tougher each year with fewer clubs prepared to punt & make tough decisions.
Is it me or are clubs more and more reluctant to recruit older players. It seems every time it happens, the club inevitably cops a lot of abuse along the way.
Is it me or are clubs more and more reluctant to recruit older players. It seems every time it happens, the club inevitably cops a lot of abuse along the way.Defineately true
Tezmyster
15 May 2006, 21:10
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Just seen that Leppa is out this week as well.
If he is carrying an injury preventing him from playing I wish they would tell us then I wouldn't be so down on him I am sick of saying f***ing hell Leppa during the games.No offence to Leppa but I think his problem is on his drivers license next to date of birth. He was a good player but right now during the rebuilding phase he's just taking up field space for a rookie that could be getting game time.