View Full Version : O'bree for TJ!!!
chiliboy
3 Oct 2004, 18:23
BIGGEST LOAD OF CRAP IVE EVER HEARD..
The only talks melb and pies have hasd has been for presti, and a high pick..
But there not even serious talks..
tj will stay, if not, bombers and swans are offering more..
the only decent trade for a player of Tj's callibur owuld b the judd 4 tj trade
the only decent trade for a player of Tj's callibur owuld b the judd 4 tj trade
lol, your jokin right?
no im serious
TJ has got to be one of the most talented in the afl
if he leaves melbourne he will definately win a brownlow in the next 3 years
if he stays at melbourne he is a possibility but not a shoe in
melbournemartin
3 Oct 2004, 19:05
skill wise TJ has stacks, not of Judd's calibur but still a lot
he is still worth a fair bit TJ, at a new club he could do a lot better perhaps
the only decent trade for a player of Tj's callibur owuld b the judd 4 tj trade
You'd probably want TJ plus a top 5 pick for Judd.
O'Bree just isn't in that league, I can't see the Dees making this trade.
crowsarethebest
3 Oct 2004, 19:07
no im serious
TJ has got to be one of the most talented in the afl
if he leaves melbourne he will definately win a brownlow in the next 3 years
if he stays at melbourne he is a possibility but not a shoe in
OMG you are joking nowhere near judd probably 1st rd pick and a player/ 3rd rd pick
You'd probably want TJ plus a top 5 pick for Judd.
O'Bree just isn't in that league, I can't see the Dees making this trade.
+ another high pick at least
melbournemartin
3 Oct 2004, 19:10
TJ = first rounder but nothing stupidly high + fringe player perhaps
crowsarethebest
3 Oct 2004, 19:10
+ another high pick at least
An they'll have to add in another star player as well
i would like to see a armstrong for judd trade
WoeyFanclub
3 Oct 2004, 19:14
yeah i reckon the eagles would probably go for a judd armstrong trade, hell throw in t.j and ud prolle get kerr and cousins over 2 melbourne aswell
dees_best
3 Oct 2004, 19:16
yeah i reckon the eagles would probably go for a judd armstrong trade, hell throw in t.j and ud prolle get kerr and cousins over 2 melbourne aswell
I dunno, we'd also want Gardiner, McDougall and Sampi.
:rolleyes:
AROB_DEES
3 Oct 2004, 19:16
i would like to see a armstrong for judd trade
u r very stupid
Really, a shoe in to win the brownlow?
I'll state now, he'll never win a brownlow in his career. He's a good player, no doubting that, but you gotta be serious, teams arn't gunna hurt ther own chances just to get a talented player. Obree, is not in the same league as TJ, but he aint that bad, he does get possesions, good on both feet, can play up forward, will be cheaper for the Dee's need it. Possibly chuck in draft pick or another player. i would consider a straight swap for pick 7.
[QUOTE=AROB_DEES]
u r very stupid
how is that stupid
Judd clearly ios no beta than armstrong
he won a brownlow but was no where near actually deserving it
silverphoenix
3 Oct 2004, 19:26
Im not preaching i know anything of what will happen but here is what might go ahead.
A 3way trade with Coll, Melb and WB
McGough -> WB, Pick 22->Melb
Obree -> Melb, TJ -> COll
So collingwood lose: Obree and McGough, they get TJ
Melb lose: TJ, they get Obree and pick 22
WB lose: Pick 22, they gain McGough
silverphoenix
3 Oct 2004, 19:28
[QUOTE=AROB_DEES]
u r very stupid
how is that stupid
Judd clearly ios no beta than armstrong
he won a brownlow but was no where near actually deserving it
U r really stupid
astro_toby
3 Oct 2004, 19:29
You'd probably want TJ plus a top 5 pick for Judd.
O'Bree just isn't in that league, I can't see the Dees making this trade.
o'bree is worth nothing - i rate him less than mcgough. he is nothing to get excited about
ill give u stupid in a minute
+ another high pick at least
What do you class as a high pick, top 5, top 10, 1st round?
Maybe another first rounder, but no more. Judd is only one player, and there are other players taken in that draft who will be aorund the same mark as Judd, ie Luke Ball, Gary Ablett, perhaps Hodge although i haven't seen much of him. Remember, Judd is nearly a year older than everyone else in that draft, and with another year, those players will gain more consistencey. Judd is not worth 2 top 5 picks plus a quality player such as TJ.
WoeyFanclub
3 Oct 2004, 19:39
Obree can accumulate possessions i.e against port this year 38 i think it was, now i know he lacks consistancy and pace and i know he wont win a brownlow like t.j will, but i reckon we could flog him off with a pick 2 carlton, say for a player like karl norman Pagan has a nack of getting the best out of his players , or even richmond they love our rejects i.e clinton king, aaron james
[QUOTE=WestCat]
Judd is not worth 2 top 5 picks plus a quality player such as TJ
i dont even think that just judd is worth tj
Melbourne are losing Ward and Walsh, they won't want O'Bree.
TJ on talent is worth the equivilant of a Judd
TJ on performance is worth considerably left
Obree, while not in the league of top class midfielders, can still play a role for melb. averaged 17 disposals a game, which when considered with the fact that he often is on the bench, or playing a hf role.
Talkign of potential, well he's proven what he can be against the best this year. VS port
26 kicks, 12 handballs, 8 marks, 1 goal.
Not as if he's a dud.
Melbourne are losing Ward and Walsh, they won't want O'Bree.
TJ on talent is worth the equivilant of a Judd
TJ on performance is worth considerably left
See the thing with this is, when you look at Judd at his full, say against brisbane at the gabba last year, then look at TJ, say he's spurts againts ess in the final this year, Judd comes up way ahead. Judd will be a champion of the game, Tj will be a decent player.
You blokes who reckon tj is as talented as judd, can you actually provide any evidence that supports your claim as i have never seen him do anything.
astro_toby
3 Oct 2004, 19:45
Obree can accumulate possessions i.e against port this year 38 i think it was, now i know he lacks consistancy and pace and i know he wont win a brownlow like t.j will, but i reckon we could flog him off with a pick 2 carlton, say for a player like karl norman Pagan has a nack of getting the best out of his players , or even richmond they love our rejects i.e clinton king, aaron james
i wouldnt be at all suprised if mcgough ends up at richmond. Norman for O.bree? and versatile tall quality defender, for a run of the mill, 2nd rate, mid paced, mid to low skilled midfielder? no way. norman is a much better prospect for carlton. they are going to build their future defence around thornton, norman and teague.
if tj can go through a whole season without a considerably ijury he will definately win the brownlow as he is clearly level with judd f not better than him in all parts of the game
astro_toby
3 Oct 2004, 19:49
Obree, while not in the league of top class midfielders, can still play a role for melb. averaged 17 disposals a game, which when considered with the fact that he often is on the bench, or playing a hf role.
Talkign of potential, well he's proven what he can be against the best this year. VS port
26 kicks, 12 handballs, 8 marks, 1 goal.
Not as if he's a dud.
true, its probably a little harsh on him, but i just dont see him being able to improve many sides. he would be a forth round pick or a late 3rd round pick i would believe - i dont think i would be to happy if my club parted with a pick between 20-35 on o'bree.
WoeyFanclub
3 Oct 2004, 19:51
lol i dont really think t.j is any good...seen him a fair bit and hes overrated, i think it was last year ( if my memory serves me correctly) he had his best year and that wasnt anywhere near the class of judd. imho t.j is overated and collingwood would be stupid 2 chase him with our first pick, if we could get him for some dodgy trade such as obree and a pick he'd be a handy pick up, but won't ever be anything spectatcular. I think most people rate him because he was a number 1 pick
tj will neva b anywhere near as good as judd, thats just silly.
But still get tj 2 essendon thats just what we need a pacy outside player with gr8 skills, melbourne can have bolton 2 fix up there key position problems haha
Tj, to me is really simular to Didak, not in their playing roles but their talent. Both can leave you in awe as they play awsome, but the next three games they play ordinary. I'd consider pick 7 for him, unless somehow MM thinks one of the class midfielders, tambling, deledio etc will get through.
A fresh start might give him new confidence, where he's no longer the failed no 1 pick.
silverphoenix
3 Oct 2004, 20:01
Ill give you obree and an early 2nd round pick. Obrees skills may be average but he gets the ball alot, he is an in-and-under midfilder somthing melbourne is lacking.
evertonfc
3 Oct 2004, 20:03
y r u's all postin lik weve got 160 chrachts 2 work 2 wif?
izit 2 much 2 ask 2 pst in norml lnguage?
Punctuation and at least an attempt at grammar is much easier to read than SMS talk.
IF melb wanted, you could switch Mc gough with Obree, he's got the great clearance and a football head, but lacks athletic and kicking skills.
dutchy12
3 Oct 2004, 20:33
I would be afraid to lose TJ to another club just because i feel that he would excel and mould himslef into one of the top players of the competition. At the moment he is the most dissapointing player in the AFL without a doubt. If he stays at Melbourne he will be good but not great.
[QUOTE=dutchy12]
At the moment he is the most dissapointing player in the AFL without a doubt. If he stays at Melbourne he will be good but not great.
i dont think tj is 1 of the most disapointng in the afl when he is needed he stands up (finals against essendon) he just nneds to be used in the right way and melbourne is not doin that.
Michael Moore
3 Oct 2004, 21:38
Travis Johnstone is not worth a top 10 draft pick.
realistically is true value is high teens to early 20's on what he has delivered since his debut in 1998
career highlights: 3rd in 2002 B&F, 1998 Rising Star Nomination, 2000 GF ....that's it !!!
Shane O'Bree is worth a high second or third round pick, nothing more.
career highlights: 1999 Rising Star Nomination, 2002-03 GF
not very encouraging, even Danoz-Direct would struggle talking up these two as sellable commodities.
can we please stop copmparing tj and o'bree
if comparing tj with ne1 it has to b with the greats of fotty like harvs or hird
See the thing with this is, when you look at Judd at his full, say against brisbane at the gabba last year, then look at TJ, say he's spurts againts ess in the final this year, Judd comes up way ahead. Judd will be a champion of the game, Tj will be a decent player.
This is true. TJ has the talent - and by that the ability to find space, get the ball and use it well - to be one of the very best going around. His application is poor (mostly) and his body is not particularly strong. He needs a change of scenery if he's ever going to forfill his potential.
His game against Adelaide in 2002 SF, and against St.K midseason 2003 showed what he can do. He just won't do it consistantly at Melbourne.
The Scarecrow
3 Oct 2004, 22:29
the only decent trade for a player of Tj's callibur owuld b the judd 4 tj trade
Thanks for the laugh there, I needed it, no you're serious? Good trade for the Demons, pretty bad one if the Eagles did it.
Somefella
3 Oct 2004, 22:35
Trav (refraining from using TJ... getting repetitive) is a nightmare for us. Talent vs Trade ability isn't a good matchup. He has the *potential* (gulp how many times have I said that) of anything. He could win a game off his own boot... even a final or GF. Yet he goes missing (as someone stated earlier) far too often and is often exposed for a lack of respect for his opponent. Mind you it works both ways, he often exposes opposition players in devastating fashion. There is only one option for us and that is to do our absolute best to keep him as no club will give us what he's worth (and rightly so).
what do you think would be a good trade for johno?
dees_best
3 Oct 2004, 23:04
what do you think would be a good trade for johno?
Robert Harvey.
:rolleyes:
:D
Robert Harvey.
:rolleyes:
:D
not bad
harvey and tj are in a league of their own wrent they
dees_best
3 Oct 2004, 23:06
not bad
harvey and tj are in a league of their own wrent they
TJ sure is.
Best current bonghead footballer.
TJ sure is.
Best current bonghead footballer.
if u actually knew anyhyitng abouty tj you owuld know that up until year 9 he was the perfect student
he only became the "badboy student" that year and was like that for about 1.5 years and was then drafted
WoeyFanclub
3 Oct 2004, 23:10
is that u T.J? AKA bangers?
hahaha
do u think the most skilled player in the afl would waste his time on this site?
WoeyFanclub
3 Oct 2004, 23:15
yeah, heapsa ppl on this board are actual afl players, judda= chris judd, iam shane woewodin yze magic is adem yze. Didnt u know that
dees_best
3 Oct 2004, 23:16
if u actually knew anyhyitng abouty tj you owuld know that up until year 9 he was the perfect student
he only became the "badboy student" that year and was like that for about 1.5 years and was then drafted
Welll yyou have a gambling problem!!!
Welll yyou have a gambling problem!!!
i htink i just heard u r from moe
u cant really bag ne1
dees_best
3 Oct 2004, 23:31
i htink i just heard u r from moe
u cant really bag ne1
You can read?
Yes I can and will continue to.
Like the stickers say Moe has it all.
;)
o'bree for TJ? you must be kidding. O'bree can not kick it 40 metres straight. past his best, whilist TJ had an awesome second half of the year and should be geared up for a big 2005. O'bree will only be involved in a ********ty useless trade. there is no soubt about that.
Ill give you obree and an early 2nd round pick. Obrees skills may be average but he gets the ball alot, he is an in-and-under midfilder somthing melbourne is lacking.
Phil Read, Guy Rigoni, James McDonald, Brock McLean, Colin Sylvia
Yeah really lacking in and under players. Oh please can we have your dud O'Bree
Give me a break. O'Bree will be delisted and probably end up playing in the Tootgarook thirds.
TJ for O'Bree. funniest thing I have heard all week.
64-again
4 Oct 2004, 16:39
Phil Read, Guy Rigoni, James McDonald, Brock McLean, Colin Sylvia
Yeah really lacking in and under players. Oh please can we have your dud O'Bree
Give me a break. O'Bree will be delisted and probably end up playing in the Tootgarook thirds.
TJ for O'Bree. funniest thing I have heard all week.
at last! the voice of reason
get real Pies supporters. manna just ain't going to fall from heaven. You (mighty?) mags stand a very good chance of finishing up with nobody of any value in the trading period if you keep this up ...
TJ's contracted so get your players and picks ready and we might get back to you ... then again maybe not.
see you at the precinct (at which we have been training for over 100 years)