Australia A test side

[The Bears]

Australia A test side

M.Elliot
J.Maher (C)
M.Hussey
B.Hodge
M.Love
S.Watson
W.Seccombe
C.White (VC)
M.Lewis
M.Nicholson
S.Tait

What do u reckon????

[Jars458]

Australia A test side

M.Elliot
J.Maher (C)
M.Hussey
B.Hodge
M.Love
S.Watson
W.Seccombe
C.White (VC)
M.Lewis
M.Nicholson
S.Tait

What do u reckon????

Not a bad side, but if you pick the side as a devlopment side I would have more youth in it.

I think Elliot Love and Maher probably will not bet antoher fchance at Tests as so players such as Rogers North Cosgrove may get the nod ahead of these blokes.

[sinepari]

last tiime i checked love wasnt a number 5

[Unwritten_Law]

M. Hussey
M. North
B. Hodge
M. Love (c)
S. Watson
M. Cosgrove
S. Clingeleffer
C. White
P. Rofe
M. Inness
S. Tait
---------
A. Noffke
C. Rogers
P. Jacques


I'd pick that side. Good mix of youth and experience, variety in the bowling attack, batting line up a little suss but I wouldn't bother with Elliott or Maher so openers are a little light on. I think North opened for Aus A last year?

[Kane McGoodwin]

M. Hussey
M. North
B. Hodge
M. Love (c)
S. Watson
M. Cosgrove
S. Clingeleffer
C. White
P. Rofe
M. Inness
S. Tait
---------
A. Noffke
C. Rogers
P. Jacques


I'd pick that side. Good mix of youth and experience, variety in the bowling attack, batting line up a little suss but I wouldn't bother with Elliott or Maher so openers are a little light on. I think North opened for Aus A last year?
I like the look of this side. No point playing too many players who are past it with repect to future Australian selection.

[sinepari]

nice team. not sure about north opening, maybe rogers. Although i would have north in the team. Id love to see marsh in there, but prolly not yet.

[Ricketts]

Australia A test side

M.Elliot
J.Maher (C)
M.Hussey
B.Hodge
M.Love
S.Watson
W.Seccombe
C.White (VC)
M.Lewis
M.Nicholson
S.Tait

What do u reckon????

i like it.

but i also agree with jars458 that Rogers should be in if it were a development side.

[Russian]

The next best players after the current XIII
Elliot
Hussey
Love
Hodge
Goodwin
White
Seccombe
Bichel
MacGill
Tait
Rofe

Only considering those with a chance of getting permanent spots in the Test squad
Hussey M
North
Hodge
Cosgrove
Hussey D
White
Watson
Clingeleffer
Noffke
Tait
Rofe

[F/D]

Elliott
M.Hussey
Love
Hodge
North
Symonds
White
Haddin
Cleary
Nicholson
Tait

[sinepari]

casson is going to better than white

[sinepari]

Elliott
M.Hussey
Love
Hodge
Blewett
Symonds
Watson
White
Haddin
Nicholson
Tait

Y would u have blewett and not north

[DaveW]

Elliott
Hussey
Love
Hodge
Watson
Symonds
Seccombe
Bichel
MacGill
Inness
Rofe

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

casson is going to better than white
how do you know that? Clearly White is better at this stage everyones knows it apart from you...

[sinepari]

Elliott
Hussey
Love
Hodge
Watson
Symonds
Seccombe
Bichel
MacGill
Inness
Rofe

can i ask y tait is not in there when bichel has lost his contract and cleary will not play for australia again??

[DaveW]

I'd forgotten that Bichel has lost his contract. But he's still one of the best bowlers around.

Why don't you give us your team instead of picking at everyone else's?

[sinepari]

easy

hussey
rogers
hodge
north
symonds/ cosgrove, depending how young u want to go
watson
haddin/ a younger player such as clingeleffer or even hartley
casson
tait
cleary
rofe

The reason for my selections is YOUTH. The point of australia A is to expose young players. Look at when it was first introduced, players like martyn, ponting and langer were playing and were all young.

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

you picking Casson ahead of White is a joke!

[sinepari]

if u have played agaisnt casson or spoken to several of the current test team u would kno its not a joke. Gilly, marto and langer all rate him as the best young spinner

[sinepari]

also white took 26 wkts in 10 matches last year. Casson took 17 in 4

[Longy413]

if u have played agaisnt casson or spoken to several of the current test team u would kno its not a joke. Gilly, marto and langer all rate him as the best young spinner

and if you had played against Cam White (or spoke to the Australian selectors, who picked him ahead of Casson to go to India) you would know that not only is he a high quality spinner, but his determination, passion and cricket brain are up there with the best.

[sinepari]

casson was injured. He'll be better than white. Most ppl know that. He actually turns the ball

[mcphee_is_a_gun]

casson was injured. He'll be better than white. Most ppl know that. He actually turns the ball
biased?

[Longy413]

casson was injured. He'll be better than white. Most ppl know that. He actually turns the ball

Anil Kumble has 400 Test wickets and hardly turns the ball.

[Cooldude]

Anil Kumble has 400 Test wickets and hardly turns the ball.

In a way, White and Kumble are different bowlers. Yes, both bowls flat and quick and never turns it, but Kumble "always" bowls that way and targets lbw/bowled, plus his wrong'un makes him unplayable on a certain type of wicket

White bowls almost like a traditional leggie, not the Kumble type, he bowls flat and quick but doesn't have a good wrong'un that he uses often enough.

White needs to stop listening to whatever Warney's putting into him and just change his own mindset altogether, the way Warney bowls won't benefit White's style.

Casson's a very good young left arm wristie, but very raw, in fact, both White and Casson's bowling are raw, but I'd say Casson has the style that'd net him more Test wickets than White.

[sinepari]

i agree

[Popey]

white is overrated IMO

[Homer]

Bichel would be a certainty if it was done on form.

[Cameron_K]

I stand by the fact that Rogers is one of the most underrated batsmen in Australia. The guy has done all he can in the state competition and over the last 5 years has averaged 44.06. Over the last 3 years the guy has averaged above 50 over the domestic season yet still struggles to get a mention. Personally I rate him higher than Marcus North both as a player and a person but thats just my opinion.

[llosis]

I stand by the fact that Rogers is one of the most underrated batsmen in Australia. The guy has done all he can in the state competition and over the last 5 years has averaged 44.06. Over the last 3 years the guy has averaged above 50 over the domestic season yet still struggles to get a mention. Personally I rate him higher than Marcus North both as a player and a person but thats just my opinion.


I agree 100% cameronk.

Rogers is a far more consistent batsman at domestic level than North. North may look better to watch but he is a bit of an all or nothing player. Rogers on the other hand has performed at very consistent and high level for the past three seasons.

[Rough_Edges]

Australia A test side

M.Elliot
J.Maher (C)
M.Hussey
B.Hodge
M.Love
S.Watson
W.Seccombe
C.White (VC)
M.Lewis
M.Nicholson
S.Tait

What do u reckon????
Not a bad side IMO.

[eddiesmith]

Cameron White is also in the test team because he can bat and therefore if the need arose for 2 spinners you aint losing a batsman if you still want 3 quicks. An allround spinner is what the Aussies need as it takes care of their main two problems, no quality allrounder who can actually bat and bowl and an option for when Warne retires and for ODI

[BB gun]

B Williams has to get a game

[Russian]

B Williams has to get a gameCan't play him and Tait in the same 3-man pace attack imo.

[Freo Big Fella]

Going on youth/Development for a match at the SCG(copout I know :p )


M. Hussey(vc)
C. Rogers
B. Hodge
M. Love(c)
M. North
S. Watson
S. Clingleffer+
B. Casson
C. White
P. Rofe
S. Tait
----
M. Nicholson
A. Noffke
M. Goodwin
D. Hussey

If I had to choose between Casson and White, I'd choose Casson, simply because he's the better spin bowler. Beau's had a hard run with injury's, but has taken bags whenever he's played. I rate White because of his leadership and the fact that he's developed both facets of his game pretty well, but Casson is a better specialist bowler.

[eddiesmith]

White has the ability to play as an allrounder which is the only thing that will get the Vics through Jan-Early March with Warnie around and if in a tug of war should get picked for his batting and leadership especially in a young side

[mjm28]

M. Hussey
North
Hodge
Cosgrove or D. Hussey
Symonds
Watson
Haddin
White
B. Lee (People have forgotten about this man)
Cleary
Tait
-----------
Rofe
Rogers

[Freo Big Fella]

White has the ability to play as an allrounder which is the only thing that will get the Vics through Jan-Early March with Warnie around and if in a tug of war should get picked for his batting and leadership especially in a young side


That's a crock, you pick a spin bowler on their bowling ability, nothing else. White's a good ordinary spinner at best. Those comparing him to Kumble are idiots.

[sinepari]

That's a crock, you pick a spin bowler on their bowling ability, nothing else. White's a good ordinary spinner at best. Those comparing him to Kumble are idiots.

I agree
and ppl keep putting north as an opening batsman. Are we talking 4 days games here?? cos he aint an opening bat in the longer form of the game. Great player tho

[karnaby]

There's only 3 players common to each side listed so far - M Hussey, Hodge & Watson - which I think is a good reflection of their standing at present. (whether the selectors agree is another matter) The bowler that is most often mentioned is Tait & iirc he's had one stint in the 1sts so far & could well have a bright future.

It's a good reflection on the depth of aussie cricket that we can have this discussion knowing that blokes who would seemingly struggle to get a game in our 2nd XI would likely be pushing for a place in most other test teams at present.



imo North needs consistent runs to justify his standing not just the occassional 'nice' ton.

[sinepari]

There's only 3 players common to each side listed so far - M Hussey, Hodge & Watson - which I think is a good reflection of their standing at present. (whether the selectors agree is another matter) The bowler that is most often mentioned is Tait & iirc he's had one stint in the 1sts so far & could well have a bright future.

It's a good reflection on the depth of aussie cricket that we can have this discussion knowing that blokes who would seemingly struggle to get a game in our 2nd XI would likely be pushing for a place in most other test teams at present.



imo North needs consistent runs to justify his standing not just the occassional 'nice' ton.


yeah good reply
But north did score over 900 runs last year and i think that should be enough to get him a spot in the aussie A team. He's relatively young which is a bonus n can bowl ok offies when he's not injured

[wang]

Elliott
M. Hussey
Love
Hodge
Clarke
Watson
White
Seccombe
Bichel
Lee
Inness

I havent gone for youth, just what I think is the 2nd best side out of Australia today assuming eveyone in the first side is fit.

[sinepari]

Elliott
M. Hussey
Love
Hodge
Clarke
Watson
White
Seccombe
Bichel
Lee
Inness

I havent gone for youth, just what I think is the 2nd best side out of Australia today assuming eveyone in the first side is fit.


Inness over tait??are u serious?

[wang]

Inness over tait??are u serious? I've already got one loose cannon in the side.

[sinepari]

I've already got one loose cannon in the side.

ok 9wkts against victoria wasnt enough obviously. Bad call. He was recently picked on an aussie tour , dont think the selectors would make the same call

[Mog]

Seccombe as keeper? Is he really the second best keeper in the country?

[sinepari]

Seccombe as keeper? Is he really the second best keeper in the country?

i would say no now. YOUTH PPL

[Bentleigh]

There's only 3 players common to each side listed so far - M Hussey, Hodge & Watson - which I think is a good reflection of their standing at present. (whether the selectors agree is another matter) The bowler that is most often mentioned is Tait & iirc he's had one stint in the 1sts so far & could well have a bright future.

It's a good reflection on the depth of aussie cricket that we can have this discussion knowing that blokes who would seemingly struggle to get a game in our 2nd XI would likely be pushing for a place in most other test teams at present.



imo North needs consistent runs to justify his standing not just the occassional 'nice' ton.

Good call.

We have players which cant make our 2nd 11 which would be stars of other test nations.

[Bentleigh]

The real Australia A, what us the 'age limit' in the selctors minds?

Should be 26, 28 tops.

[wang]

ok 9wkts against victoria wasnt enough obviously. Bad call. He was recently picked on an aussie tour , dont think the selectors would make the same call
Did you watch him bowl today? Quick but all over the shop. Also tends to only bowl in short spells in both forms of the game. You cant play both Lee and Tait in the same side as they are too similar and IMO Lee is a better bowler than Tait.

[sinepari]

YOUTH PPL!!! yes he did bowl like that and still tool 3/36. I think they would take that everytime!Tait would be picked 4 sure. Aussie selectors wouldnt take him on tour then not pick him for at least aussie a.

[eddiesmith]

Tait should be picked ahead of Lee.

Lee is not in Australias top 15 bowlers.

[Longy413]

Tait should be picked ahead of Lee.

Lee is not in Australias top 15 bowlers.

Name the 15.

[Freo Big Fella]

Name the 15.

Pacemen

Gillespie
McGrath
Kasprowicz
Williams
Nicholson
Tait
Rofe
Bracken
Inness
Wise
Cleary
Noffke
Wright

That's all I could think of off the top of my head, but I'd prefer any of them playing than Lee.

[Cooldude]

Name the 15.

Warne
Gillespie
Kasper
McGrath
Macgill
Bichel
Tait
Wright
Tait
Williams

I'll name ten that are better than Lee, and there it is

[eddiesmith]

Gillespie
McGrath
Kasprowicz
Williams
Nicholson
Tait
Rofe
Bracken
Wise
Cleary
Noffke
Wright
White
Warne
Hauritz
Bichel
Harwood
Inness
Lewis
Harvey

Theres 20 for ya

[sinepari]

what a pointless exercise. How can u compare lee with spinners. Its of no significance.
Pretty sure he would play ahead of harvey too. Was that a joke or wat

[eddiesmith]

Harvey is a better bowler than Lee, less runs conceded, more control.

Only thing Lee has going for him is his baggy blue cap

[Bentleigh]

Alot of hate for Lee :confused:

[eddiesmith]

Because he is ******** and overrated by the media commentators and selectors.

There are alot of bowlers out there who dont get a chance because he is in the side despite constantly being smashed to pieces whenever he plays.

Then we have to put up with Ponting saying he will play a part in the summer.

People hate him and so they should, give someone else ago instead of constantly trying to find something good in Lee

He is only good for playing Kenya and anyone could make themselves look good against Kenya

[The Bears]

Gillespie
McGrath
Kasprowicz
Williams
Nicholson
Tait
Rofe
Bracken
Wise
Cleary
Noffke
Wright
White
Warne
Hauritz
Bichel
Harwood
Inness
Lewis
Harvey

Theres 20 for ya
add Matty Hayden and Justin Langer to that list they are both better then lee

[llosis]

There seems to be a bit of an overeaction against Brett Lee around here. I, for one, think we need a dose of reality.

Consider:
1) Brett Lee is not currently in the Australian team. This is an indication of where his form's been lately so beating the drum about how he's favoured by selectors doesn't really add up. Is he any more favoured than Nathan Hauritz who's been 12th man in tests one and two?

2) Your lists of fast bowlers better than Lee are a bit ridiculous. I think 6 or 7 could have a better claim to an Aust team berth than Lee and half of those could be debated (eg Williams, Tait, Bracken). But listing a line of untried and untested bowlers at international level is a dumb overreaction. Should some of them be given a go? Maybe. But last summer guys like Bracken and Williams were given a run in the Aust team and didn't exactly set the world on fire if you recall (tests, that is. One dayers they've shown a bit more and have played regularly since).

3) Brett Lee is a victim of high expectations. He started his international career with a bang and following a couple of injuries has since not returned to those heights. In fact his performances have been borderline acceptable which is where a lot of the heat is coming from with supporters like us. But rather than overreact you're better off just accepting that Lee will be an occassional performer rather than the dud many make him out to be. In addition he is still (at 28?) one of the youngest recognised pacemen we have.

I hope he does well, for the sake of the Aussie team. The fact is there are only a few players who are demanding a place in the Aust team's pace line up at the moment so for the sake of our performances we need to hope Lee is performing well.

[eddiesmith]

Bracken? Why bring up another overrated NSW dud bowler to back up your claims?

If Lee was from any other state he would be in Aus right now playing for NSW whilst someone else would be back up paceman

Lee will get another op and he will fail again and this will happen untill he retires

How is Tait debatable? He is a young quick who can control his bowling and is more effective than Lee

No matter what, Lee will always hold the record of being one of the rare bowlers to concede 200 runs in an innings, how I love Ganguly

[Mog]

I wonder if Brett would be better served by not being in the touring party at all. He's not going to get his way back into the team being 12th, 13th or 14th man. Send him back to NSW and see if he can terrorise the likes of Tasmania.

[llosis]

Bracken? Why bring up another overrated NSW dud bowler to back up your claims?


Read the post again.


If Lee was from any other state he would be in Aus right now playing for NSW whilst someone else would be back up paceman

Whilst that statement is nonsensical, I take you are trying to say Brett Lee is favoured because he's from NSW.

Maybe. But throwing your subjectivity against someone elses is hardly a compelling arguement for why Brett Lee is crap.

Lee will get another op and he will fail again and this will happen untill he retires


Perhaps. Time will tell.

How is Tait debatable? He is a young quick who can control his bowling and is more effective than Lee


Debatable in the sense that he is untried at international level.
I hope he continues to improve his form and take a bucketload of wicket in the baggy green. But right now, he hasn't proven anything and so whether he's better than Lee is debatable.

No matter what, Lee will always hold the record of being one of the rare bowlers to concede 200 runs in an innings,

Conceding 200 runs in an innings is forever to Lee's shame, I agree

how I love Ganguly

So now you hate Brett Lee more than you love your country?
You rather support Ganguly of all over rated international cricketers, than your own country's players?
Your obsession is frightening.

[eddiesmith]

I love Ganguly for declaring after Lees figures ticked over to 200

Dont love him more than any Aussie player from any of the other 5 states or 2 territories

[sinepari]

Is anyone else getting the impression that eddiesmith is having homosexual tendancies in regards to brett lee??

[llosis]

Is anyone else getting the impression that eddiesmith is having homosexual tendancies in regards to brett lee??

:eek: