Crow's draft according to Port's BF board

[PAfolwr]

I'll be doing the same thread on the Crows board wrt Port's draft.
The assumption is that some people will have first hand info on how these kids have done in the SANFL and various championships, or just have spent a lot of time researching about them.

The reason for this is that most of us know zippo about any of these lads, so it's good to get an opposition teams perspective on how we fared.
It makes things just that little more balanced.

Now if we are going to ask the Crow's board to do that, it's only fair that we do the same thing back.

Last thing, please no opposition bashing just for the sake of it, otherwise these threads will end up being useless.

[PowerKop]

Think the pricks did very well. Best they have ever done IMO, hopefully they will all turn out to be duds though, like most crows recruits.

[mymansyd]

Think the pricks did very well. Best they have ever done IMO, hopefully they will all turn out to be duds though, like most crows recruits.

Trust PowerKop-ulation to come up with such a dazzling assessment! :eek:

[PAfolwr]

Trust PowerKop-ulation to come up with such a dazzling assessment! :eek:
I think that's as close a compliment as you will ever get from The Kop, so be grateful. ;) :p
To everyone else on this board, K-mon, finger out the Crow lads are doing better than us on their board.
Porthos, Macca 19 and others that go to SANFL, and/or have had a look at the youngsters before the draft reports please.

The only one I can give is that having seen Tambling on very few occasions, I hope for his sake he doesn't get the Richmond bug, as he should turn out to be a very very good player.
Pity he didn't slide down to us, but that was never going to happen unfortunately.

[Santos L Helper]

Why the hell are we concerning ourselves with what they do?

You are opening these boards up to ridicule!

[PAfolwr]

Why the hell are we concerning ourselves with what they do?

You are opening these boards up to ridicule!
Explained in the opening post.
If you read the equivalent thread on the Crow's board, there is some good info there.
Why ridicule? :confused:

[Porthos]

John Meeson - well, he's a good ruckman. Keep him positive.
Van Berlo - he's got the attributes and even if he turns out ordinary after a couple of years, some other club will still take happily him off your hands on the basis of his draft camp.
Chad Gibson - Who needs Brian Harris? Handling soft tissue injury will be your biggest concern.
Ivan Maric - Thats the pick that pushes you over the edge from a good draft to a very good draft...Maric gives you good security, and if either he or Meeson start crying for a return you should net a good pick at that stage whoever it may be. Good thing that Craig has the balls out. Would've thought him a better fit for Port, but there you go.
Chris Knights - I don't know a thing here.

[Santos L Helper]

Explained in the opening post.
If you read the equivalent thread on the Crow's board, there is some good info there.
Why ridicule? :confused:
Why should we care what crows supporters think of our drafting? The original post tells me nothing that explains why we should care about them.

Research the draft choices all we want, but the only proof comes about three years down the track.

[PAfolwr]

Why should we care what crows supporters think of our drafting? ...
True.
But what I asked was not for us to care about their opinion as such. Quite a difference.

... The original post tells me nothing that explains why we should care about them.
...
True. Why should we care about them as such. Same for them about us from that point of view.

...
Research the draft choices all we want, but the only proof comes about three years down the track.
Very true, but there are quite a number of people both on there and here whose opinion many rate, and if a few can give first hand opinions or opinions made up from reading/researching than some of us will find that interesting.
It is far better and easier to read it on these two boards than to sift through all the crap on the general boards.

The thing is that with "them" giving their opinion plus reading it on here then there is a better chance of it being balanced.
If we just want to hear that our recruits are the best ever and everybody else recruited duds, then these type of threads are useless.

[Ford Fairlane]

FWIW I thought they did well until they took Maric. Their best midfielders will soon be gone and I can't see who's going to step up to replace them. And yet they continue to chase big men - they did it last year as well. Couldn't see the point of taking Maric with #40 when there were still good midfielders around (eg Eckermann). Know nothing about Knights but he didn't make Burgan or GHs' phantom drafts. His profile reminded me of Matty Connell for some reason. Probably that he sometimes kicks floaters ...

Overall they'd have to be happy with the players they scored (although I liked our mix better ... ;) )

[Russian]

They've done pretty well.

Ruckmen - Not sure why they picked Meesen over Wood but it seems no club really took the go home factor into account. The need for Maric is questionable. If they think Andrews will make it and Biglands will continue to play as a ruckman it was overkill, otherwise it was a good pick.

Gibson - I guess he's another one they'll try to turn into a full forward. Whoever got him was always going to be taking a risk.

Knights - Another risky pick. A goal kicking ball magnet who can't kick, but kicking is usually something you can work on

van Berlo - At worst he's a depth pick, at best he's a 250 game premiership captain

[Macca19]

DOne quite well.

They got some players they wanted and added quite a bit of bigman depth to the side. Maybe a touch too much. Not all of them will fit in the side and maybe one or two may get homesick as such and look for more oppurtunities.

I too wonder about where their next crop of midfielders will come from as they have their top range (Roo, Mcleod, Goodwin etc) and some youngsters that may or may not turn into good midfielders (Reilly and Johncock....very talented youngsters but jury still out as to whether they will make it as great full time midfielders) and then really not that much. Their next couple of drafts they will need to take a lot of midfielders.

They had a very good draft tho. Meeson, Maric and Gibson have big warps on them. I personally havent heard too much about Van Berlo but he is rated by many. Knights is a smokey.

[Bresh]

I haven't seen any of them play, so I can't comment.

[PAfolwr]

At least the Crow's BF board is less biased than the SA paper.

Just read Draft selections fall for SA clubs from the Advertiser site, and am still to figure out why the S in Clubs.
Also, whoever wrote it seems to have forgotten that Angwin was pick 7.

[Andre]

They've done well. Both in strategy over all and players selected. They are smart enough to realise their list needs a major overhaul - not just midfielders. KPP's/ruckmen take longer to develop so stocking up on more talls then smalls this draft makes sense. Clarke is in his last or second last year, Mark Stevens is still 50-50 at best, Scott Stevens is average at best, Biglands is average AND stupid and Hudson is a journeyman and other then McGregor (who is very good) and Henstchel their younger KPPs are still at the stage you don't know whether they'll boom or bust. I expect next draft they'll go more for midfielders so the young KPP's taken now come through with them.

A draft that is unlikely to see much game time from those selected and as a result another low ladder finish next year, but long term will (unfortunately for Port supporters) will stand them in very good stead.

[Kane McGoodwin]

At least the Crow's BF board is less biased than the SA paper.

Just read Draft selections fall for SA clubs from the Advertiser site, and am still to figure out why the S in Clubs.
Also, whoever wrote it seems to have forgotten that Angwin was pick 7.
All Crows supporters are trying to forget Angwin at pick 7! :o

No doubt we will need to stock up on midfielders next year as a priority to replace the mid-age dud players coming out of contract in 2005 & hopefully give us the next generation of Roos, Maccas, Goodys & Edwards.

Was happy with our mix - 2 ruckman, 1 KPP & 2 midfielders.

Thanks for the comments.

[Pred]

Did Stewart have anything to do with their selections this time?

[Leigh Roy]

Nice idea for a thread(s), Paf.

[rubberman]

Their first two picks seem pretty reasonable. Until the crows actually get them in their possession and kill off their careers. I see Maric is described as a ruckman/forward who can kick goals. Has anyone from the crows actually seen him kick a footy. He is shocking to the point where I would say that Mathew Clarke is a better kick for goal :rolleyes: . Like they say the draft is a lottery.

[blackdiamond]

Any player that has ever been picked up by the Crows in the top 10 has had the kiss of death, will be interesting to see how Meesen turns out - wonder how this one will meet its fate.

[PJ Power]

I think this is a worthwhile thread, but for many of us we are basing our comments on the descriptions of these players made by others.

On the surface, both SA clubs seem to have drafted comparably.

The difference is that we are probably less desperate for Willits and DeLuca to come into the side before 2007.

Both teams will need their midfield picks to come good. Neither seems to have picked a so-called ready made player. The Crows will still need to keep their best 22 fit if they are going to improve next year. Their depth is still a major concern, although they should get more consistent performances out of their 20-22 year-olds.


One thing I will comment on is Porthos' observation in another thread that Scott Thompson might have changed our draft mindset quite alot if we had picked him up. You do wonder if Port would have gone after the other Thompson over Monfries, if we had got Scott to fill Carr's place.
I have watched quite alot of replays of various matches over the last month, and I really don't know how we will counter some of the better tougher opposition midfielders (Voss, Ricciuto, Johnson boys). My preference is for Wilson to spend more time in the pivot. While I also think that Cassisi and Kane Cornes should not be underrated in ther toughness, it is an area we may not have covered fully yet, even with Shattock and Walsh.

[Bresh]

Thomson > Thompson

[Mong]

Any player that has ever been picked up by the Crows in the top 10 has had the kiss of death

All one of our top 10 picks? :D

[Count Zero]

Every year, every club declares itself satisfied with its trades/drafts. Only time will tell. We should be talking about the 2002 draft if we want to guage the success or otherwise of it all.

[Ford Fairlane]

Every year, every club declares itself satisfied with its trades/drafts. Only time will tell. We should be talking about the 2002 draft if we want to guage the success or otherwise of it all.

You only have to read Burgan's club by club review to know all clubs did brilliantly. For example, here's his review on Sydney:

SYDNEY
With Sydney in a similar position to Melbourne and Geelong, the club had just the three required picks. It was a great reward for Moore, who was rated highly by the Swans. He virtually did everything in his power to say 'pick me', despite his smaller stature. But his achievements at the elite junior level warranted a place on an AFL list. Interestingly, Sydney stated that it was in the market for some taller players, but added that it would also aim for 'the best available player'. In saying that, the Swans added former Cat David Spriggs to their list, which confirmed their 'best available' theory as he was firmly in the hierarchies' thoughts. Spriggs' running ability and endurance is among the best in the competition. The amazing journey of James continues and hopefully he can remain injury free and show his true worth. The Swans added some handy top-ups to an impressive list.

31 - Jarred Moore (Dandenong Stingrays)
47 - David Spriggs (Geelong)
61 - Heath James (Sydney)

[Andre]

You only have to read Burgan's club by club review to know all clubs did brilliantly. For example, here's his review on Sydney:
Surely they could pick one team to be honest and rip into ? I mean Sydney's drafting! 2 rejects and a god knows. And impressive list ? Snuck into the top 4 in 2003 with opposition coaches unfamiliar with Roos game plan, slid almost out in 2004 with it figured out. With those additions and their trading likely bottom 8 in 2005. I prefer the reviews here on BF, for all clubs there are at least a couple of posters willing to rate their drafting honestly without the rose coloured glasses.

[Porthos]

You really have to wonder what the Swans are trying to do, don't you?

[Ford Fairlane]

Do they owe Max James money?

[Pred]

Did Stewart have anything to do with their selections this time?Anyone? Anyone? Class? Bueller? Bueller?

[Porthos]

He gave us his reports on their seasons & development, but he wasn't picking on draft day.

[Pred]

He gave us his reports on their seasons & development, but he wasn't picking on draft day.Who do you mean by "us", Porthos? I was asking if if he had anything to do with the Crows' selections.

[Porthos]

I don't read good.

I'd assume so? No way of knowing, really, but they did pick better than usual.

[blackdiamond]

All one of our top 10 picks? :D
Yes it is only one but having said that the Crows have never really been any good with their first round picks, Brett Burton and Brent Reilly are the only ones to have turned out okay.

[mymansyd]

Yes it is only one but having said that the Crows have never really been any good with their first round picks, Brett Burton and Brent Reilly are the only ones to have turned out okay.


Yes, well, the problem with the Crows has been not so much who we have selected with our draft picks (we've had just as many hits as misses as most teams), but the fact that we have traded away our high picks TOO easily for retreads that haven't worked out. Those days, hopefully, are over. :o