Kirkby to CARLTON!!!

[BlueBoy83]

I hope we pick him up with pick 3 in psd!!!

As i was beginning to warm to knobel coming to carlton (By all reports he really got his hands dirty and involved in our training sessions) those richmond bastard$ with their shonky zantuck deal look set to select knobel!!!

It would be fitting for us to ******** richmond over considering kirkby has been training with the tigers as knobel has been training with the blues!!!

Oh and I'd laugh my head off if essendon didn't pick up zantuck in psd!!! Richmond would be royally f'd up the a then wouldnt they!!! ahaha :D

[corporal]

I hope we pick him up with pick 3 in psd!!!

As i was beginning to warm to knobel coming to carlton (By all reports he really got his hands dirty and involved in our training sessions) those richmond bastard$ with their shonky zantuck deal look set to select knobel!!!

It would be fitting for us to ******** richmond over considering kirkby has been training with the tigers as knobel has been training with the blues!!!

Oh and I'd laugh my head off if essendon didn't pick up zantuck in psd!!! Richmond would be royally f'd up the a then wouldnt they!!! ahaha :D

How would that be ********ing Richmond over?

Richmond obviously want Knobel more then Kirby otherwise they would pickup Kirby with their first pick.

Anyway didn't I see you write somewhere that Kirby was a dud? if this is so would you want Carlton to pickup a dud?

You certainly are a funny little thing BlueBoy83

[Benno_900]

If Richmond pick Knobel and noone picks Zantuck, would they be over the salary cap?

[French Tiger]

If Richmond pick Knobel and noone picks Zantuck, would they be over the salary cap?

Why does everyone think that Richmond is close to the salary cap ? We are only just making the minimum payments required ! We have heaps of room in the cap but just no money available to spend!

[DIG]

Why does everyone think that Richmond is close to the salary cap ? We are only just making the minimum payments required ! We have heaps of room in the cap but just no money available to spend!
If that's the case, can you still afford to pay for Knobel if no-one picks up Zantuck? Or do the Tigers know for sure that Ty will be taken, and so arent worried?

on Kirkby, isn't it interesting that someone who no club will touch across 60 odd national draft picks, suddenly becomes such "hot" property?!

[Benno_900]

on Kirkby, isn't it interesting that someone who no club will touch across 60 odd national draft picks, suddenly becomes such "hot" property?!

Yeah, its like 16 cubs cooincidentally forgot about him on that particular day. Clubs didn't pick him because they obviously think he isnt good or they underrate him.

[Mighty Blues]

French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!

[celtic_pride]

Why does everyone think that Richmond is close to the salary cap ? We are only just making the minimum payments required ! We have heaps of room in the cap but just no money available to spend!

But aren't hacks like Gassier on massive contracts anyway >
I reckon SC restrictions more than anything made them lose Blottens ...

[corporal]

French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!

I don't get it? why does frenchtiger have to get a grip, he just stated the obvious which is Richmond has plenty of room in their salary cap they just don't have the actual money in the bank. Maybe you should follow your own advise perhaps?.

Thats for the good luck, but when you get 5 picks in the top 30 you don't need luck you just need a good football department to nuture the talent which we should get under Terry Wallace, Brian Royal and David King.

I can't believe how upset Carlton supporters are getting about Richmond potentially getting the servicable but certainly nothing special Knobel (although admitly most of them seem to be 13 year old troll posters, not Carlton members who actually know what they are talking about)

[corporal]

But aren't hacks like Gassier on massive contracts anyway >
I reckon SC restrictions more than anything made them lose Blottens ...

For whats its worth, Gaspar took a large paycut this year, Richmonds problems are not in its salary cap, but with the clubs actual finances. However as shown by Carlton this can be turned around pretty quickly.

I'm more then happy to be replacing Ottens who has disc problems in his back with Simmonds who I rate quite highly.

[Coughlan]

French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!

Thats because everything he said is correct. And who the hell are you to say that we have to go outside the rules to get our way, we havent done this and correct me if im wrong but your team Carlton was caught for cheating, going over the salary cap i would call that going outside the rules, going outside the rules is when you cheat not do stuff according to the rules.

[BlueBoy83]

I don't get it? why does frenchtiger have to get a grip, he just stated the obvious which is Richmond has plenty of room in their salary cap they just don't have the actual money in the bank. Maybe you should follow your own advise perhaps?.

Thats for the good luck, but when you get 5 picks in the top 30 you don't need luck you just need a good football department to nuture the talent which we should get under Terry Wallace, Brian Royal and David King.

I can't believe how upset Carlton supporters are getting about Richmond potentially getting the servicable but certainly nothing special Knobel (although admitly most of them seem to be 13 year old troll posters, not Carlton members who actually know what they are talking about)

well i dont know about the others but im an interstate member ;) .... im not a troll but i express my opinions!!! I konw many carlton supporters are ********ed off at demetreo for letting your shonky zantuck deal go thru go to TBV or CFC for this!!!

i feel sorry for poor trent in all this ... i was growing to the idea of him playing for us!!! Now he's experienced the highs and soaked in the atmosphere of being a part of the mighty CFC and all it stands for etc and now he is forced to head down to the absolute rabble you are at tigerland :eek: !!!!

but as everything happens for a reason i hope we pick a good kid and PLEASE DONT LET US TAKE MCKEE/PORTER!!!!

but i DONT WANT KIRKBY ... i just hope he's either a dudd and you pick him up or he turns out to be a good player and someone else picks him up!!! :D

[corporal]

but i DONT WANT KIRKBY ... i just hope he's either a dudd and you pick him up or he turns out to be a good player and someone else picks him up!!! :D


The only thing worse then a troll, is a troll who trys to claim to legitimate poster,

If you don't have anything decent to write then go back to your cave.

[Tigerland]

French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!

You must have been balancing Elliot's books - as you have no idea!
Carlton were the ones caught cheating the salary cap and you'll be paying for it big time in the future as all you can muster is other clubs rejects.
Coutta on a million$ - and you think we're a joke?

[BlueBoy83]

You must have been balancing Elliot's books - as you have no idea!
Carlton were the ones caught cheating the salary cap and you'll be paying for it big time in the future as all you can muster is other clubs rejects.
Coutta on a million$ - and you think we're a joke?

i wouldnt be calling ne other clubs players dudds mate!!! ;)

KOUTA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CAMPBELL!!! :D

[Weaver]

well i dont know about the others but im an interstate member ;) .... im not a troll but i express my opinions!!! I konw many carlton supporters are ********ed off at demetreo for letting your shonky zantuck deal go thru go to TBV or CFC for this!!!

Well they need an education. Nothing shonky about the Zantuck deal at all. We paid him out. Any club is entitled to reach a financial settlement with a contracted player if their salary cap can accomodate it. That is what we have done.

[corporal]

Well they need an education. Nothing shonky about the Zantuck deal at all. We paid him out. Any club is entitled to reach a financial settlement with a contracted player if their salary cap can accomodate it. That is what we have done.

I wouldn't worry about it Weaver, I also made the mistake of trying to be logical. They are just some Carlton trolls trying to do some stirring (although all they are doing is highlighting their own stupidity.

[Johnson#26]

I was under the assumptionm that McKee was a Blue bagger?

[Rockdj1966]

All i have to say is if the Afl checked your books over you must be close to over the cap


not wooried if we dont get Knobel just use french and Deluca


and pick up a young gun like Betts or Jesse Smith or maybe take Zantuck and let Pagan turn his attitude around just the versatile defender we need but that is Pagans choice happy with our list as it is just going to add a few bonuses

[TheGeneral]

You should read more caroline wilson and less herald-sun and you'd learn that the tigers are paying 75% of zantuck's salary and the rest will be paid by the club that draft him. Therefiore if he is drafted the 25% I think will be included ib the cap.The reason that McKee's back is buggered is just an excuse their using to draft knobel. The AFL backed down on croft's payout and they won't do anything if richmond go over the cap. The AFL pick their targets rather than having a level playing field.

[vinnie_vegas69]

on Kirkby, isn't it interesting that someone who no club will touch across 60 odd national draft picks, suddenly becomes such "hot" property?!

Kirkby has a very underdeveloped body, and hence, the teams decided in the first round not to draft him. Then, the teams that didn't have high enough picks to think that they could get him, and hence, hadn't really paid much attention to him, didn't really notice him. Then, when he fell into the second round, A) teams already had their minds made up about 2nd round picks, and decided not to change them, and B) they were all kinda worried about why a guy would drop that far, and what the other teams must know about him to let him slide.

It is the same reason that the first pick of the 2nd round in the NBA Draft often turns out to be a better player than some of the later picks in the first round. It is because with a 2nd round pick, the contracts aren't guaranteed, and clubs aren't afraid of wasting their top draft choice, so the risk isn't as great.

Likewise in the AFL, the National Draft picks are often used on players that are sure bets, with players that are more risky looking at being taken with picks in the Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts. This is certainly true of players such as Kirkby, Grundy, Pearce and Betts, all of whom have concerns over their size, Kirkby with weight, Grundy as height for a KPP, and Pearce and Betts for height period.

[Mighty Blues]

hahahaha getting a little defensive are we? Im a 13 year old non member troll?
Once again get a grip! I am a paid up member and am truly ********ed off by the way that the AFL has handled this. And for you to come out and say that this is all legit is a little hard to believe!
Good luck to the Tiges i'm sure you'll have a great year! :rolleyes:

[jezza]

All i have to say is if the Afl checked your books over you must be close to over the cap





The afl checks EVERYONES books over, how else are they going to catch the clubs that cheat on the salary cap?

Anyway, the afl have come out and said we have enough room to have 2 picks in the PSD so we must be well short of the salary cap at the moment. Contrastingly St Kilda were told they can not afford to make a selection so will have to go with the 38 they have now.

[TheHeatleyStand]

The disturbing thing about this to Carlton supporters is.... 2 weeks ago you wernt interested in Knobel and were going to take McKee.
You off load Zantuck but thats like a player retiring (His money should still count in full under the salary cap with the contract he signed- refer to F Brown and S O`Reilly)
In your case you made an arrangement where he is paid 3/4s and another club is to pick up the tab to bring you under the cap to afford Knobel and not McKee.
What were saying is how can the AFL agree to this when so far no club has actually guaranteed Zantuck will be drafted?
Logic would say that we do not want another Fabian Francis scenario. This could really blow up in someones face if Zantuck isnt taken.
The AFL should have not rubber stamped Knobel being taken by the Tiges because all of Zantucks contract should be counted under the current Richmond salary cap.BECAUSE we just dont know if any club will draft him.
They might, but we dont know that.
The trade period was the time to have the Zantuck situation dealt with by the clubs interested and Richmond. It past, he is still under contract and theres been some back room greasing of palms to work this out in a manner that has never been done before and its very uncertain.
In the meantime Knobel whos quite happy to go to Carlton goes to a club that couldnt actually afford him 2 weeks ago but can now by cutting loose a player on 250k who still has a year on his contract to go(With no club guaranteeing him JS)
Thats a frigging disgrace in our opinion and thats why were pi$$ed off!!!

Its not about Knobel its about shifting the goalposts all the frigging time!

[BlueBoy83]

The disturbing thing about this to Carlton supporters is.... 2 weeks ago you wernt interested in Knobel and were going to take McKee.
You off load Zantuck but thats like a player retiring (His money should still count in full under the salary cap with the contract he signed- refer to F Brown and S O`Reilly)
In your case you made an arrangement where he is paid 3/4s and another club is to pick up the tab to bring you under the cap to afford Knobel and not McKee.
What were saying is how can the AFL agree to this when so far no club has actually guaranteed Zantuck will be drafted?
Logic would say that we do not want another Fabian Francis scenario. This could really blow up in someones face if Zantuck isnt taken.
The AFL should have not rubber stamped Knobel being taken by the Tiges because all of Zantucks contract should be counted under the current Richmond salary cap.BECAUSE we just dont know if any club will draft him.
They might, but we dont know that.
The trade period was the time to have the Zantuck situation dealt with by the clubs interested and Richmond. It past, he is still under contract and theres been some back room greasing of palms to work this out in a manner that has never been done before and its very uncertain.
In the meantime Knobel whos quite happy to go to Carlton goes to a club that couldnt actually afford him 2 weeks ago but can now by cutting loose a player on 250k who still has a year on his contract to go(With no club guaranteeing him JS)
Thats a frigging disgrace in our opinion and thats why were pi$$ed off!!!

Its not about Knobel its about shifting the goalposts all the frigging time!


well said!!!

its not that im in despair about losing knobell (although i know he could have helped) its just how ridiculous the whole thing is and if demetrispew etc rubber stamped it it is a complete and utter joke!!! your exactly right ... what guarantees (apart from say essendon committing which would be illegal b4 the draft to conspire such a deal ne way) do they have??? NONE i mean all clubs in psd could see zantuck as a bad sead and then what??? HMMMM i hope it happens just to see the ******** hit the fan!!!

for the record if we select mckee/porter/kirkby ill be ********ed off ... not sure what to think about zantuck? i know the age reckons we'll take him which would suprise a bit ... BUT ... im hoping we take a kid we think could play seniors next year ... Im hoping eddie betts, cooled on smith, becker etc

but this is an utter joke and the afl have some explaining to do as to why/how they could possibly rubber stamp this deal without knowing if zantuck will be picked up!!!

ne ways im off to watch some southpark ... BUT ... i just hope karma bites richmond on the arse and they manage to underperform as always!!! they deserve it!!!

[Robin Hood]

The rubbish I've heard in this thread is nothing short of amazing.

1. Richmond are very close to the salary cap and thats why they had to seek clarification from the AFL as to whether drafting Knobel would put them over the cap. Any Richmond supporter who does not understand this has some serious mental issues.

Source: AFL.com article (http://afl.com.au/default.asp?pg=news&spg=display&articleid=180439)

"Knobel, who has been training with Carlton, is now likely to be the first player selected, with Richmond looking to add to its ruck division. It is believed the Tigers TPP could be the only hurdle in Knobel arriving at Tigerland."

Do you understand Tuggers?

2. Kirby is a dud so don't get too excited either Carlton or Richmond. There is a reason he wasn't drafted. And is basically amongst the top 20% of a bunch of duds. Worst draft in history = worst rookie draft in history. Don't believe the propaganda.

If he was any good he would also be selected before the preseason Duds that are going around.

[corporal]

Ohwell In the the end I couldn't give two **********s about what the whinging Carlton supporters think (although I do like Carlton and am amazed by the brilliant job Pagan has done),

We are going to get a good relief tap ruckmen who can go bash about in the Ruck and give Simmonds a rest up forward. This should help our team structure a lot so I'm very happy about this outcome (providing we even pick him up).

Good luck with your pre-season draft selection Blues I'm sure you'll be able to find someone of a similiar ilk!

[Mighty Blues]

Thats very kind of you Corporal! i believe Knobel will be good for your mob as i think Simmonds needs to be up in your forward line to replace ottens at chf leaving richo at ff.

I hope we dont take Zantuck this morning and go for a young fella but we'll have to wait and see wont we....And like the other Carlton supporters sid we're not angry about you pinching Knobel its the way its being done!!!

Good luck for this morning to all teams

[itsintheblood]

I hope we pick him up with pick 3 in psd!!!

As i was beginning to warm to knobel coming to carlton (By all reports he really got his hands dirty and involved in our training sessions) those richmond bastard$ with their shonky zantuck deal look set to select knobel!!!

It would be fitting for us to ******** richmond over considering kirkby has been training with the tigers as knobel has been training with the blues!!!

Oh and I'd laugh my head off if essendon didn't pick up zantuck in psd!!! Richmond would be royally f'd up the a then wouldnt they!!! ahaha :D

You sad sad bitter twisted individual.

[French Tiger]

French tiger mate, get a grip,

Your mob are a joke! You have to go outside the rules to get your way, but then like you said "you have heaps of room in the cap :rolleyes:

GOod luck for your awesome future Tigers!


We are a joke are we ! We are the ones who were able to keep our early draft picks because we stayed inside the rules, unlike some ! & mate i was only stating a point , i wasn't having a go at anybody !

[Infamy]

The AFL had to approve Richmond taking Knobel because of its financial position. The AFL requires a club to have made certain cost cutting measures in the event it may wish to access the competitive balance fund. We haven't put our hand out yet, but would like to be in the position to do so if required. As the AFL has played a significant part in checking our business plan, we need to run past them a 200k+ expense.

How could we possibly be near 100% TPP? We just delisted 12 senior players including Ottens (450k) Zantuck (160k) Fiora (150+k), veterans in Kellaway & Rogers, and so far have replaced with draftees, Mark Graham at minimum wage and Troy Simmonds on 30% less than Ottens salary.
We haven't put Richo on the veterans list purely as a cost cutting measure so his full contract is counted in the TPP so we can reach the minimum 92.5% and take up space on the main list which means we don't have to recruit another player to make up the numbers.

[DIG]

the teams that didn't have high enough picks to think that they could get him, and hence, hadn't really paid much attention to him, didn't really notice him. Then, when he fell into the second round, A) teams already had their minds made up about 2nd round picks, and decided not to change them, and B) they were all kinda worried about why a guy would drop that far, and what the other teams must know about him to let him slide.

No way. Maybe with the expected top couple of picks, but beyond that every club would know every top prospect to the finest detail, all clubs hoped players would slip through to them and several did eg. Knights to Crows - it didn't bother them that he'd dropped so far and no-one else was interested, they were wrapped to snare him. Lions were thrilled to get Wood so low. St Kilda had a "wishlist" of best available, and just crossed the names off as they were called out and drafted the top remaining prospect when it came to their pick, they didn't give a toss what other clubs thought.

With some of the later picks, sure they would've pencilled in who they wanted but if a good enough player had slipped thru, they would've taken them instead for sure.

For whatever the reason, Kirkby wasn't rated highly enough by a lot of clubs. However I suspect he might've been pretty close to next on the list for several clubs. Greg Miller rang him minutes after the draft apparently.


Likewise in the AFL, the National Draft picks are often used on players that are sure bets, with players that are more risky looking at being taken with picks in the Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts. This is certainly true of players such as Kirkby, Grundy, Pearce and Betts, all of whom have concerns over their size, Kirkby with weight, Grundy as height for a KPP, and Pearce and Betts for height period.
This is a fair comment, agree with that, and this obviously affected how clubs rated Kirkby.

[Robin Hood]

The AFL had to approve Richmond taking Knobel because of its financial position. The AFL requires a club to have made certain cost cutting measures in the event it may wish to access the competitive balance fund. We haven't put our hand out yet, but would like to be in the position to do so if required. As the AFL has played a significant part in checking our business plan, we need to run past them a 200k+ expense.

How could we possibly be near 100% TPP? We just delisted 12 senior players including Ottens (450k) Zantuck (160k) Fiora (150+k), veterans in Kellaway & Rogers, and so far have replaced with draftees, Mark Graham at minimum wage and Troy Simmonds on 30% less than Ottens salary.
We haven't put Richo on the veterans list purely as a cost cutting measure so his full contract is counted in the TPP so we can reach the minimum 92.5% and take up space on the main list which means we don't have to recruit another player to make up the numbers.Are you a moron? Can you read? Why would they skip on their last selection then? You are an idiot because Richmond have said they wont be applying for the competitive balance fund.

Its 100% about salary cap. Tugger fans just cant handle even if they do pay 100% of the cap they cant win. Only two clubs couldnt afford to use all their selections - St Kilda and Richmond. Shows Richmond's incompetence seeing they would almost be spoon favourites.

[Nightwolf]

No you are wrong, Kirkby to Hawthorn!

[Infamy]

Are you a moron? Can you read? Why would they skip on their last selection then? You are an idiot because Richmond have said they wont be applying for the competitive balance fund.

Its 100% about salary cap. Tugger fans just cant handle even if they do pay 100% of the cap they cant win. Only two clubs couldnt afford to use all their selections - St Kilda and Richmond. Shows Richmond's incompetence seeing they would almost be spoon favourites.

If we couldn't fit 2 selections in the PSD into our TPP, then we would never have been given 2 selections in the first place
Why wasn't StKilda given any selections at all?
How can we possibly be at 100% of the TPP? Have a look at our delistings for christ sake

We may have said we won't be applying for the CBF, but that doesn't mean that we aren't going to make the required expense cuts to make it available should we need it.

[Robin Hood]

If we couldn't fit 2 selections in the PSD into our TPP, then we would never have been given 2 selections in the first place
Why wasn't StKilda given any selections at all?
How can we possibly be at 100% of the TPP? Have a look at our delistings for christ sake

We may have said we won't be applying for the CBF, but that doesn't mean that we aren't going to make the required expense cuts to make it available should we need it.

St Kilda wasn't given two selection because it couldn't fit it in their salary cap.

Richmond were given two selections to start with. The selections are given as if you were paying the selections the minimum salary. So they could have fitted two players on minimum salary into the cap but not Knobel who would be on a bigger contract. Because of Knobel's bigger salary they had to pass on their second selection due to them not being able to fit Knobel and another player under the cap even if the other player was on minimum salary. Why would they pass if they had cap room and then select players in the Rookie Draft? that doesn't cut costs.

Ever heard of contracts that are increased as players get deeper into their contract?

You got rid of Ottens but picked up Knobel and Simmonds on over priced contracts. Got rid of Fiora but are still paying alot of Zantuck's contract. So because of Zantuck you are effectively paying an extra player.

[BlueBoy83]

thank god we didnt take kirkby!!! im rapped to get betts, smith, becker and batson as a developing ruckman!!!

ps: richmond mustn't have been too interested in kirkby if they picked someone else with 1st pick in rookie draft ... i think hawthorn are stupid for selecting him if they didn't know ne thing about him!!! i have a big question mark over the guy now? hope he proves me wrong.

pps: richmond, essendon and the AFL got their way so they should be friggen happy now!!! :mad:

[Infamy]

Why not use a PSD pick and then use a rookie pick?
Because its cheaper, with a PSD pick you are required to offer a 2 year contract
A rookie selection is only 1 year and at a lower price
We didn't make the 2nd selection because we couldn't afford it, not because we couldn't fit it this should be simple enough for even you to understand

If we were so tight on TPP, why wouldn't we put Richo on the veterans list?

[Robin Hood]

Why not use a PSD pick and then use a rookie pick?
Because its cheaper, with a PSD pick you are required to offer a 2 year contract
A rookie selection is only 1 year and at a lower price
We didn't make the 2nd selection because we couldn't afford it, not because we couldn't fit it this should be simple enough for even you to understand

If we were so tight on TPP, why wouldn't we put Richo on the veterans list?Why did they have to seek clarification as to whether or not drafting Knobel would put them over the salary cap? Are you that stupid to not be able to work out that?

Richmond passed on the 2nd PSD pick due to the salary cap constraints.

Then selected Thursfield with their first Rookie selection because they believe he has the talent to make it.

They then would have passed on their subsequent Rookie selections because the players that were available weren't in their opinion worth selecting because they didn't present a good enough chance of ever being AFL players to warrant Richmond struggling fininacially. Yes, struggling financially, drafting and developing players is expensive especially when they aren't a reasonable prospect. The worst draft in history = the worst rookie draft in history. Richmond passed up these players because of a lack of quality, it wasnt worth them spending the money. Just like Bulldogs in prior years.

[corporal]

I was under the impression that they had to seek clarification with the AFL because our Finances are under review, no our salary cap.

But Robin Hood seems to know more about Richmond then anyone so I guess I'll just take his drivel as gospel.

[Robin Hood]

The AFL doesn't give a rats what you pay players as long as you abide by AFL rules.

Read the article it was because they were close to the salary cap.

No I don't know alot about Richmond, I just read and compute simple sentences.

[corporal]

The AFL doesn't give a rats what you pay players as long as you abide by AFL rules.


Then why did the Western Bulldogs have to limit there cap to 92.5% two years ago to receive the payment from the competitive fund?.

[Robin Hood]

That rule no longer exists in its old form hence why the Roos increased their payments for 2005 enabling them to recruit Thompson.

[French Tiger]

Robin Hood , whatever the case is ,you seem to spend alot of time talking/bagging Richmond !

[Robin Hood]

Robin Hood , whatever the case is ,you seem to spend alot of time talking/bagging Richmond !Im not bagging Richmond IMO, Im saying they are close to the salary cap and trying to show you that you are. Im for truth not for rubbish.

[corporal]

Im not bagging Richmond IMO, Im saying they are close to the salary cap and trying to show you that you are. Im for truth not for rubbish.

Its good to see you have changed your tune RH, it wasn't that long ago when I ranked you besides Davo Dog as BF's biggest trolls, however judging by your moderate posts it seems you are changing (although you still have a unhealthy obession with Richmond, although I guess most posters here seem to dislike Richmond!)

[Robin Hood]

Its good to see you have changed your tune RH, it wasn't that long ago when I ranked you besides Davo Dog as BF's biggest trolls, however judging by your moderate posts it seems you are changing (although you still have a unhealthy obession with Richmond, although I guess most posters here seem to dislike Richmond!)thanks dude, :D

[dipper86]

your a twit blueboy83, you really know how to change your tune.

[BlueBoy83]

your a twit blueboy83, you really know how to change your tune.

how am i a twit? :confused:

i was ********ed off at the afl's allowance of richmond's shonky deal!!! i know a lot of reputable carlton posters on other sites are/were equally ********ed off as me!!! knobell wanted to play for us and yet is forced to enter the turmoil at tigerland!!!

ps: im glad we didn't pick up kirkby ... i have a feeling he could/will be a complete dudd!!! not bagging him out ... just can't understand why all clubs would overlook him in national draft and then richmond in need of kpp overlooked him in rookie draft after training with them!!!

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[Infamy]

How is the Zantuck deal shonky, because it screwed over Carlton?
It was an amicable agreement to terminate the final year of his contract. Completely legit. Deal with it.

Robin Hood - So just because a single article speculates that it had to do with a TPP issue, you take it as gospel?
Sorry, but we are paying 94% of TPP this year and will do the same next year, that doesn't even include Richo as a veteran. Half of our list is made up of kids under 21, we have no one to spend the money on other than Brown & Richo now that Ottens is gone.
The AFL approves the finances of every club before they participate in the PSD, as Richmond changed their intended selection they got approval again. The extra attention may have been due to the current financial situation, but thats all there is to it.
Sorry to burst your bubble, so why don't you go back to flogging over Ottens' poster

[Robin Hood]

How is the Zantuck deal shonky, because it screwed over Carlton?
It was an amicable agreement to terminate the final year of his contract. Completely legit. Deal with it.

Robin Hood - So just because a single article speculates that it had to do with a TPP issue, you take it as gospel?
Sorry, but we are paying 94% of TPP this year and will do the same next year, that doesn't even include Richo as a veteran. Half of our list is made up of kids under 21, we have no one to spend the money on other than Brown & Richo now that Ottens is gone.
The AFL approves the finances of every club before they participate in the PSD, as Richmond changed their intended selection they got approval again. The extra attention may have been due to the current financial situation, but thats all there is to it.
Sorry to burst your bubble, so why don't you go back to flogging over Ottens' poster Yes they approve every clubs but they could only draft Knobel and not their second pick because of Salary Cap Issuses. There were numerous sources. What do you expect when u pay Krak 250k a year?

[dipper86]

how am i a twit? :confused:

i was ********ed off at the afl's allowance of richmond's shonky deal!!! i know a lot of reputable carlton posters on other sites are/were equally ********ed off as me!!! knobell wanted to play for us and yet is forced to enter the turmoil at tigerland!!!

ps: im glad we didn't pick up kirkby ... i have a feeling he could/will be a complete dudd!!! not bagging him out ... just can't understand why all clubs would overlook him in national draft and then richmond in need of kpp overlooked him in rookie draft after training with them!!!

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i dont care about your little problem about the afl's allowance of richmond, all i care about is that you hoped to pick up kirkby, then when you didnt you say he is no good because richmond and Carlton didnt pick him. Now kirkby has plenty of time to impress, he is very raw but has very good skills and is a good grab. but he doesnt have the athletic ability of the player Richmond picked up, He was the number 1 player unlucky to be drafted in the national draft, and if Hawthorn didnt pick him up with there 2nd pick in the rookie draft he would have been snapped up next pick or so on, remember this is a rookie draft so he is a very good pick up, a so called top 30 pick for basically nothing thats a risk anyteam would be willing to take up on a rookie.

[Infamy]

Yes they approve every clubs but they could only draft Knobel and not their second pick because of Salary Cap Issuses. There were numerous sources. What do you expect when u pay Krak 250k a year?

You have a very creative imagination
Shame you never use it for anything worthwhile

Do you honestly think we are so close to the cap that we can't afford a $40k per year draftee? Be serious for one moment in your life.

[Nightwolf]

Im happy with our rookie picks, but am not expecting much at all from any one of them. If one of them plays senior footy ill be happy, more looking forward to the development of Roughead, Buddy and Lewis...

[Orangewhip]

for the record if we select mckee/porter/kirkby ill be ********ed off ... not sure what to think about zantuck? i know the age reckons we'll take him which would suprise a bit ... BUT ... im hoping we take a kid we think could play seniors next year ... Im hoping eddie betts, cooled on smith, becker etc



You are a live-wire and just spew it all out at times, but this is a nice little snippet to confirm you're not a *#^!-stirrer. Eddie Betts to the Blues and all joy to him.

[Bentleigh]

Well done to Carlton... I would have loved this kid at Richmond. :(