View Full Version : Big 4 Voters , Thoughts please
Very interested to hear from all those vocal , pro Macek/Schwab people and thier thoughts on the result and where this leaves Richmond , in thier opinions .
Damning result in anyones language . Are we all that stupid?
I'm no alternative supporter but...
Its Miller's fault
Rockridge
18 Dec 2004, 16:09
A landslide victory for the Casey Group, now can we please all accept it and get on with supporting the tigers, leave the bitching and carry on for the happy team at Dawk Land
Hammerfire
18 Dec 2004, 16:26
You can say Casey getting re-elected was because of Miller, but the entire ticket??
Here here,
let's leave this crap behind and start bagging the players again :D
Must say I'm happy with the outcome and am looking 4ward to the rebuilding process.
Eat 'em Alive in 05.
tigerdan
18 Dec 2004, 17:19
Life goes on...
Some boards are by choice run according to a democratic system (OER,BigFooty) and one is run like a brothel hiding wilted, moral values and a desire to exercise administrative powers that even Hitler would have laughed at.
I find it alarming that the media refers to rosy'sworld as the official unofficial RFC web site,especially with it's recent Pahoffian,Propoganderous assault on the Casey Admin.
It certainly did nothing of great merit although the natives will claim otherwise
listing reasons from public awareness to partial responsibility if things work out.
Personally I see their efforts as ego induced,misinformed rampage that symbolises our last 20 years as a club but more importantly the supporters attitude that was the driving force behind such manic desperation.
It's time for a new era.
I know who's voices I listen to.
OER and BigFooty - RFC websites for RFC people
I saw Charles Macek on the tv for the first time on the news tonight
I think he's left it a little late to make tv appearances discussing the election
bluehouse
18 Dec 2004, 17:52
I agree wholeheartedly Oxx.
The campaign against Miller by Rosy and Clayton and their mates was nothing short of slanderous and unbalanced. They put themselves ahead of the club during this election campaign. Their bias was obvious to the majority of richmond members and supporters who have voiced their will clearly. Of course to these people we have just been duped by Miller and Co. We are stupid, naiive people whose opinions are misguided. Oxx, the Hitler reference was sadly spot on - maybe throw in an Orwellian reference as well. You cannot disagree with these people. I've put them on notice - Rosy put up a blistering campaign against wallace as well prior to his signing, and clayton was right behind her.
Harry Bosch
18 Dec 2004, 18:02
lets not go overboard fellas
yes rosy and clayton were very pro alternative , but so what??
there were plenty of people on sites like OER(inlcuding admins) who were equally pro Casey etc..
Just because someone has a different opinion to you does not make them biased...
and whats this campaign against Miller and Wallace????
stop being paranoid..
Jumpin' Jimmy
18 Dec 2004, 18:03
Heard a BIG whisper Rosy has pulled the pin as PRE's prima donna.
Not surprising given her disgraceful performance over recent months.
How gullible was she to listen to Pahoff, Clayton and Schwab?
Luckily the fans are not totally stupid as we would have ended up with those 3 running the club and Mark Harvey as coach.
Just because someone has a different opinion to you does not make them biased...
Actually they are biased
Anyone who has an opinion on an issue is biased
As for Rosy, she must walk in circles she leans so far towards the alternative
Jimmy - How does anything involving PRE count as a "BIG whisper"?
Glad to hear it Bluehouse.
Orwellian indeed!
God knows the site looks like it's still in 1984 :D
It's the glaringly obvious hidden agenda that irks me.
If the gargoylian witch and her peers were to be exposed for the exercising all this in the name of the RFC it would be very interesting which way the broom would fly.
Reality suggests that pre has become a port of call for journo's when hunting for backup on defamatory rumors and inuendos,nothing more.
One wonders what would have happened if the mk ticket had gotten in and behaved in a manner that would have pleased such a mentality. :eek:
The underhanded technique of rosy,imo,represents what has been the problem within our club.
Bored,severely under-qualified individuals looking to create internal dramas which in turn will be undeniably resolved by themselves,creating a further term of uncertainty for all except the visionless-themselves.
lets not go overboard fellas
yes rosy and clayton were very pro alternative , but so what??
there were plenty of people on sites like OER(inlcuding admins) who were equally pro Casey etc..
Just because someone has a different opinion to you does not make them biased...
and whats this campaign against Miller and Wallace????
stop being paranoid..
fair enuff Harry but most pro Casey boards sprung up in response to the
mounting imbalance of the pre Macek campaign......and they won. :D
bluehouse
18 Dec 2004, 18:18
Jumpin Jim,
Apparently according to Harry Bosch you and I are paranoid.
These people wholeheartedly supported Wallace as coach, then Miller in what he has been trying to do :D We're not the ones who are paranoid Hey Jimmy. We won't let history be re-written to allow some people to rationalise their behaviour in the past, and reinvent themselves. I've got no problems with people having an alternative view, I do have a problem when they make it personal and patronise people with alternative views, and in the campaign resort to dirty tactics against certain candidates and their history. I will respect these people more if they stand behind their position on some of these key people such as wallace and miller in the future. At least they will be consistent and remain tru to their convictions. Harry you obviously weren't around when some people were trying to stop wallace from being signed.
bluehouse
18 Dec 2004, 18:22
"It's the glaringly obvious hidden agenda that irks me!
Reality suggests that pre has become a port of call for journo's when hunting for backup on defamatory rumors and inuendos,nothing more."
Right on Oxx
Of course their opinions are based only on facts and "inner knowledge" and their campaign is only for the good of our club - such martyrs :cool:
Hammerfire
18 Dec 2004, 18:27
While i am hardly PRE's biggest fan, a couple of you guys are a bit over paranoid.
While Rosy, Clayton, Phantom n co. have their little group who is Pro-Macek, there are a lot of guys on PRE who are Anti-Alternative.
Opinions on who should coach were split between a lot of PRE'enders.
Yes Rosy runs the site biasedly towards the alternative, but not as much as you guys would like to make out.
Hammerfire
18 Dec 2004, 18:29
Or put simply:
Rosy is to The Big 4 as Oxx n co. are to Casey's ticket
Or put simply:
Rosy is to The Big 4 as Oxx n co. are to Casey's ticket
Difference is,if put in the position,we wouldn't delete threads that we felt "may harm our reputation" or possibly alter the opinions of others.
Jumpin' Jimmy
18 Dec 2004, 18:43
Jumpin Jim,
Apparently according to Harry Bosch you and I are paranoid.
These people wholeheartedly supported Wallace as coach, then Miller in what he has been trying to do :D We're not the ones who are paranoid Hey Jimmy. We won't let history be re-written to allow some people to rationalise their behaviour in the past, and reinvent themselves. I've got no problems with people having an alternative view, I do have a problem when they make it personal and patronise people with alternative views, and in the campaign resort to dirty tactics against certain candidates and their history. I will respect these people more if they stand behind their position on some of these key people such as wallace and miller in the future. At least they will be consistent and remain tru to their convictions. Harry you obviously weren't around when some people were trying to stop wallace from being signed. It's only paranoia if its wrong. What the PRE mob were doing was very wrong, underhanded and unAustralian with the result that RFC members rejected it totally 9-0.
It's only paranoia if its wrong. .
Classic.
Hammerfire
18 Dec 2004, 18:50
I dont get what he means by that statement.
saying he's justified in having that outlook.
If he wasn't, he'd accept paranoia as a label.
Hammerfire
18 Dec 2004, 18:57
So his saying because he thinks his 100% right that it should be classed as an opinion, not paranoia?
maybe throw in an Orwellian reference as well
More like Orwell’s Animal Farm where a political revolution of farm animals (Pahpig, Claychook and Rosycow) against the farmer (Casey) who owns all, works the animal population hard, sends their offspring to slaughter, and feeds them little.
Orwell describes corruption (self-interest in being martyrs lol) that undermines the goal of the revolution: in which those leading the revolution (see aforementioned) rally the masses not so much for the good of the masses (the RFC supporters in toto), but so that the leaders can assume the role of master (despot), complete with all of the oppressive conduct that goes with an authoritarian regime (be pro Casey and you suffer the consequences).
This is the farce that is PRE – they blamed Casey for being too despotic, underhanded etc – and right before our eyes on a daily basis, we saw the same things happening on that site through an intimidation of words and deleting posts that didn’t suit their cause.
I challenge you Hammerhead to go back and re-read all that crap on PRE and not think posters were not intimidated to say what they think for fear of being attacked by very literate posters who could string a few words together – thus intimidating the majority of RFC supporters lol
OER was pro Casey, but we had a few people – 1980 being one – who was given a fair go and allowed to say what he thought. Not many agreed with him, and challenged him, but never did it happen that he wasn’t allowed to have his say – nor do I think was he intimidated and was free to say what he liked, how he liked, whenever he liked without fear of repercussions. It made for good reading, and he put his case very well.
Anything the club does from now on – whether it be good or whatever – will be put down I’m sure. The club cannot win when there are these kinds of supporters ready to stab them in the back in a heartbeat.
They are a disgrace, pure and simple. Makes me mad also when one of the ringleaders hardly ever goes to any Richmond games and just sits on it’s fat arse all day on a computer trying to make itself a hero of the masses.
When Pahpigs fly will that ever happen!
Hammerfire
18 Dec 2004, 19:05
Ah but Froars, i was banned from PRE for having my own say.
Problem was, what i said had more to do with racism and stereotyping than politics.
So i am quite familiar with how PRE works.
Your factual point is right, your just carrying on and blowing it up way too much.
Your factual point is right, your just carrying on and blowing it up way too much
Hardly said a word on that site LATELY - the topic is here - i'm just responding now!
Coughlan
18 Dec 2004, 19:13
Or put simply:
Rosy is to The Big 4 as Oxx n co. are to Casey's ticket
difference being oxx isnt a stupid fat bitch who is an administrator which rosy is and deletes posts that she doesnt agree with, or ban people for showing an opininion that she disagrees with and oxx doesnt speak to the medea about his opinions on the election rosy has
Hammerfire
18 Dec 2004, 19:15
Great, there goes a mature discussion down the drain!
Bottom line is there are obviously more voices than that of pre,which because of the way it is run,paints a false picture of the supporter and his views.
Going by the numbers that came back today pre made a rather large noise for
such a minority.
Evidence in it's simplest form that by quoting that place you will end up nowhere near the truth of the matter but rather sensationalising the conceptual opinion of a certain few.
Punt_Road_Roar
18 Dec 2004, 20:51
All I have to say I hope this loss hurts those who run PRE deeply
just goes to show they arent as big and powerful as their administrator thinks they are
Nice salt in the wounds loss this one, i hope it cuts deep, wouldnt be suprised if some of them arent even RFC members next year, would just about prove how much they have Richmond's best interests at heart.
Bottom line is there are obviously more voices than that of pre,which because of the way it is run,paints a false picture of the supporter and his views.
Going by the numbers that came back today pre made a rather large noise for
such a minority.
Evidence in it's simplest form that by quoting that place you will end up nowhere near the truth of the matter but rather sensationalising the conceptual opinion of a certain few. I gave you three votes oxx for your dry , sarcastic , acid tongue and wit . But ..... that is the best piece of rationale` i`ve heard in a long while
I`m still waiting for Weavers diatribe on how they lost . That boy has an answer for everything so this one should be a gem
RALMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
All through this election , PRE had the Big 4 with thier noses in front while over here it was a Casey - Miller landslide .
We know who the real voice is don`t we .
I found it quite funny that the poll on the front page of PRE predicted the 60-40 split that we eventually got. Rosy was convinced that the poll had been tampered with because there were so many votes, despite the % for each selection hardly moving. I'm sure it was really because she didn't expect the alternative to be behind, especially for the official unofficial/alternative website.
I think an appropriate word for her is delusional, she's certainly lacking in logic anyway
I gave you three votes oxx for your dry , sarcastic , acid tongue and wit . But ..... that is the best piece of rationale` i`ve heard in a long while
Thanks IDGAF,
much appreciated.
Anyone that examined the alt ticket would have to of questioned it's legitimacy as a genuine replacement.If it's recruitment and publicity strategies were any indication of it's interpretation of thoroughness
then it would seem that we are far better off with the Casey klan,
if not simply for the continuation of the of the current climate of stability.
The Big4 was basically a band of mercinaries that didn't have their act together and that's how Tiger people saw it.
Schwab was more of a liability than an asset with Welsh droppimg out of site when stories of his prior involvement with the board reached common talk status.
Macek was the paper dragon chosen to front the group in hope that his ability to acquire finances and screw prople over would sway the uncertain and offer the blind an equally successful future for the RFC.
At one stage the GR words were used in comparison - by them of course.
As for the past player tactic -LMAO.
Stability should have never been compromised to such a degree let alone by a poster from a forum with no other intention but to create dramas and draw attention to themselves but cite Richmond passion as the driving force.
Pahoff you ********en know all prick,you're responsible for this.
Think about how much of the clubs money and time had to be poured into this campaign,while you listened to "fiddler on the roof" and downloaded porn.
Wont you be a popular lad at the footy for the next 10 years.
Special thanx to Nick Daffy for trying to jack off at the clubs expense...again
Hammerfire
19 Dec 2004, 00:12
Special thanx to Nick Daffy for trying to jack off at the clubs expense...again
Daffy thread part 2?
droppuntkick23
19 Dec 2004, 08:26
The PRE site is a disgrace. The bias that is shown is unbeleivable
They say they are Richmond supporters, gee, you could of fooled me.
Take Bryan Wood out of the alternative ticket and the result would have been worse. By the way, Bryan Wood hadnt stepped foot in the Richmond Football Club till 3 months ago.
As for David C , a very sad person who is still bitter about not being elected last year.
linuscambridge
19 Dec 2004, 10:55
Interesting how certain people with very strong opinions seem to take offense at other people because they also have strong opinions, but of the oposing point of view. Reeks of hypocrisy.
In my experience on both sites the pro Casey supporters have been far more aggresive and at times offensive in their posts. I do recall a poll on PRE that clearly indicated more PRE posters were supporting Casey anyway, so although Rosy and Pahoff (sic?) were obviously pro big 4, I think you are jumping at shadows if you think there is a huge conspiracy going on.
In addition I think many posters get a bit carried away with the relative importance of these sites. I have no idea how many members they have on PRE and Big Footy, but I seem to see the same names over and over again asserting their opinions. What sort of proportion of the 15000 or so voting members have ever read an internet post on the RFC election? I would hazard a guess that it was a miniscule minority.
droppuntkick23
19 Dec 2004, 12:08
about 1% :D
...
I`m still waiting for Weavers diatribe on how they lost . That boy has an answer for everything so this one should be a gem
My own view has been consistent with that of Weaver. I had grave concerns with the Casey ticket, especially around Casey's recent performance and the conflict of interest that Miller finds himself in.
We have now given a mandate to someone who has successfully lost $3million over the past 2 years and has brought this club to it's financial knees. We now also have a management structure that is undeniably flawed. My confidence in our future is now diminished as a result. I can only hope that Casey does what he says he will.
With Casey trying to bring on Rex Hunt, and then Greg Miller, it smacked to me of someone trying to play personality politics rather than on substance. Not unlike the Labor party using popular figures like Harry Madden, Kirsty Marshall and Peter Garrett. As an aside, this is endemic of a greater flaw in popular Western culture - the influence of the cult of celebrity. How else can you explain Arnie Schwarzenegger or Jesse Ventura (for God's sake) being elected to senior political positions.
My belief is that Casey has used this to his obvious advantage, and as a result, we have been conned.
Nonetheless, for better or worse, Casey has retained power and does have a significant mandate to run the club I love. I will continue to fully support the club and will not seek further division. This also must be the stance all pro-alternative people must take.
The fact that Miller and Mithen where the leading vote getters says to me that LinusCambridge is right.The internet didn't have much affect on the vote.
i think most would agree Mithen is very much a lightweight at our club and that the main reason he got so many votes is because he's in the media.Bryan wood was the leading vote getter for the Macek ticket.Again more in the public eye than the rest of the ticket.
I thought the best 2 and most qualified candidates for the Casey ticket were O'shanessy and Dalton and in fact i voted for them.They ended up being the lowest winning vote getters.
I don't have any problems with alternative opininons.It's the passion that makes our club so great after such a dismal 20 plus years.
iIcan't understand this desire for a post election witch hunt.Surely first and foremost we're all Richmond supporters.
I`m still waiting for Weavers diatribe on how they lost . That boy has an answer for everything so this one should be a gem
I predicted a Casey win on this board, on TigerTalk I predicted a Casey win predicting a 70%-30% landslide.
I was suprised how close it was. 58-42% was much tighter than I thought. If we didn't have first-past the post voting and allowed ticket-voting it would have ended up a 5-4 split board. I think that accurately reflects the mood of the election. We were never going to get a split ticket with first past the post voting.
I said that I voted for a mixed ticket including Miller. It would appear that Miller got at least 1300 votes from people who voted the alternative.
Casey would have lost were it not for Miller rescuing him. Miller became far and away the biggest campaign issue in the election.
Hammerfire
19 Dec 2004, 13:26
Wise comments as always Weaver, there's no doubt in my mind that Miller is the sole reason Casey got re-elected.
Just something i would like to touch on though in defense of Casey.
I have heard a few people say that god knows what's going to happen next year because Casey has planned for a $200,000 loss.
He is basing this figure on this years membership numbers, gate revenue, merchandising, coterie, sponsorship etc.
So, if we have the same revenue from these areas in 2005 that we did this year this is the worst that's going to happen.
Considering that membership is up 15% on this time last year, 85% of the total budgeted sponsorship is already signed up, new executive coterie group is already sold out and an expected jump in crowd attendances and merchandising, i would suggest that we will make a profit in 2005.
This i would love to post on PRE, but unfortunately i can't.
UpTheGuts
19 Dec 2004, 16:37
Although predictable, 42% of the voters think that even with Miller the alternative ticket was the way to go. Take Gregory off that ticket and you're looking at a landslide to the alternatives.
Very large majority of voters cast their ballots on a ticket basis. If 1 in every 12 Casey voters had voted differently, we have a 9-0 Macek Board. So let's not pretend it was 95%-5% here... The Board may not be divided but the constituency certainly is.
If the RFC makes a loss even 20 cents worse than the $120,000 predicted, I will be back here demanding some Board accountability. So should we all.
Wedge politics it was, but the result is in and I for one am looking forward to the first bounce.
Punt_Road_Roar
19 Dec 2004, 17:26
Although predictable, 42% of the voters think that even with Miller the alternative ticket was the way to go. Take Gregory off that ticket and you're looking at a landslide to the alternatives.
Very large majority of voters cast their ballots on a ticket basis. If 1 in every 12 Casey voters had voted differently, we have a 9-0 Macek Board. So let's not pretend it was 95%-5% here... The Board may not be divided but the constituency certainly is.
If the RFC makes a loss even 20 cents worse than the $120,000 predicted, I will be back here demanding some Board accountability. So should we all.
Wedge politics it was, but the result is in and I for one am looking forward to the first bounce.
a landslide to the alternative? how do you figure that when the higgest voted person from the alternative was 10th !!!!!!
makes me laugh how the pro alternative people still try and fudge the figures to make themselves feel better.
take this person off and take that person off, how about we take all nine of them off??
the alternative got their butts flogged (not 1 person on the board at all), deal with it and move on. the best thing you wrote was the last sentence in waiting for the first bounce the rest is all pipe dream garbage.
Jumpin' Jimmy
19 Dec 2004, 18:30
Wedge politics it was, but the result is in and I for one am looking forward to the first bounce. It was wedge politics on both sides. Pahoff was wedged right up Schwab's posterior and in turn Brendan's melon got lost somewhere in transit on the Macek Express.
Neither Pahoff nor Schwab have been sighted in the last couple of days. It will be a long while before either can remove that bitter wedgie taste, if ever.
Dream on Weaver, but sooner or later you will wake up.
tigerdan
19 Dec 2004, 19:09
It was wedge politics on both sides. Pahoff was wedged right up Schwab's posterior and in turn Brendan's melon got lost somewhere in transit on the Macek Express.
Neither Pahoff nor Schwab have been sighted in the last couple of days. It will be a long while before either can remove that bitter wedgie taste, if ever.
Dream on Weaver, but sooner or later you will wake up.
Give it a rest will you Jimmy, your side won.
tigertime
19 Dec 2004, 19:55
Hammerfire..
If you are remotely eloquent in your support of Casey and Co on that website, you are banned or your posts are deleted.
There is no inbetween.
Here you can share your views.
Its every bit as much as we make out. The membership of this website is proof of this.
While i am hardly PRE's biggest fan, a couple of you guys are a bit over paranoid.
While Rosy, Clayton, Phantom n co. have their little group who is Pro-Macek, there are a lot of guys on PRE who are Anti-Alternative.
Opinions on who should coach were split between a lot of PRE'enders.
Yes Rosy runs the site biasedly towards the alternative, but not as much as you guys would like to make out.
tigertime
19 Dec 2004, 20:05
Take all the good candidates (all 9 of them) out of your board and the loser alternative ticket might have gotten up.
Listen to yourself.
What utter dribble. The result was 9-0. Thats reality.
Given that the club lost 3 million & finished last. If an alternative ticket couldnt win this election, its because they are duds.
In case you missed that. The alternative are DUDS!!!! :)
Although predictable, 42% of the voters think that even with Miller the alternative ticket was the way to go. Take Gregory off that ticket and you're looking at a landslide to the alternatives.
Very large majority of voters cast their ballots on a ticket basis. If 1 in every 12 Casey voters had voted differently, we have a 9-0 Macek Board. So let's not pretend it was 95%-5% here... The Board may not be divided but the constituency certainly is.
If the RFC makes a loss even 20 cents worse than the $120,000 predicted, I will be back here demanding some Board accountability. So should we all.
Wedge politics it was, but the result is in and I for one am looking forward to the first bounce.
I predicted a Casey win on this board, on TigerTalk I predicted a Casey win predicting a 70%-30% landslide.
I was suprised how close it was. 58-42% was much tighter than I thought. If we didn't have first-past the post voting and allowed ticket-voting it would have ended up a 5-4 split board. I think that accurately reflects the mood of the election. We were never going to get a split ticket with first past the post voting.
I said that I voted for a mixed ticket including Miller. It would appear that Miller got at least 1300 votes from people who voted the alternative.
Casey would have lost were it not for Miller rescuing him. Miller became far and away the biggest campaign issue in the election. I do agree that the result is tainted with the Miller stain , i don`t necessarily mean that negatively , politically it was a master stroke , dirty politics but since when has politics been clean ?
The fact that this club has still maintained it`s large , ferocious , passionate supporter base after two and half decades of almost unadulterated misery and upheaval after upheaval , is quite remarkable for mine and it is a strength that needs to be united and harnessed . One thing we are united in is Miller .
He is viewed as the messiah by the rank and file , the one to lead us out of the wilderness . Once they played that card it was all over . Seriously............. how many members out there would have genuinly been concerned about , or even thought about , conflicts of interest ?
Time for humility and fence mending , Clinton has got his mandate , lets hope he uses it soundly and wisely . Because if we are sitting here this time next year after posting another huge loss and his resignation sitting on the table , a few of us are going to be looking very silly
deliberate!!
19 Dec 2004, 20:50
One thing I've learnt from 'defeat' in life and sport....
You lose....
You get back in your hole....
Win...
or shut up...
It's all over.......I could care less if a group of money-stealing monkeys ran the club....
We need to win games....not worry about the board...
The club won't go under...ever!
We wins game.......the money rolls in.......and all the world's a lovely place....
The future...(on the field)....looks exciting....
Start the season !!!
'Big 4'......dig a hole.....enjoy your surroundings....and support the club....
Crumden
19 Dec 2004, 21:18
With Casey trying to bring on Rex Hunt, and then Greg Miller, it smacked to me of someone trying to play personality politics rather than on substance.
True, but the alternative ticket were playing the same game when they trotted out another "former great" every other day. And as we saw with the Hunt and Barrot fiascos, the strategy is not without its risks.
Bojangles17
19 Dec 2004, 21:29
Very interested to hear from all those vocal , pro Macek/Schwab people and thier thoughts on the result and where this leaves Richmond , in thier opinions .
Damning result in anyones language . Are we all that stupid?
I was divided in my opinion of the casey clan which reflected my vote, a mismash of both parties....I am hoping that caseys crew can emulate the St.Kilda board that oversaw a calamity of F$^%% ups before they began to register successive profits and now appear to be heading for happy days....
Jumpin' Jimmy
19 Dec 2004, 21:31
Give it a rest will you Jimmy, your side won.Why, Dannyboy? I would have thought it was time for those like yourself who have been flogging dead horses and lame ducks on here lately to take the back seat for a while. Where is your humility?
Bojangles17
19 Dec 2004, 21:49
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He is viewed as the messiah by the rank and file , the one to lead us out of the wilderness . Once they played that card it was all over . Seriously............. how many members out there would have genuinly been concerned about , or even thought about , conflicts of interest ?
quite amazing what Miller has been able to achieve in such a short time at tigerland in particular with such a long history at a rival club....We are so looking for a guiding light and we all sense Miller is the man...alot of confidence has been invested in Greg Miller. I sincerely hope that he repays the tiger faithful that have so far met his every command...
Richmondfan#1
19 Dec 2004, 22:25
My own view has been consistent with that of Weaver. I had grave concerns with the Casey ticket, especially around Casey's recent performance and the conflict of interest that Miller finds himself in.
We have now given a mandate to someone who has successfully lost $3million over the past 2 years and has brought this club to it's financial knees. We now also have a management structure that is undeniably flawed. My confidence in our future is now diminished as a result. I can only hope that Casey does what he says he will.
With Casey trying to bring on Rex Hunt, and then Greg Miller, it smacked to me of someone trying to play personality politics rather than on substance. Not unlike the Labor party using popular figures like Harry Madden, Kirsty Marshall and Peter Garrett. As an aside, this is endemic of a greater flaw in popular Western culture - the influence of the cult of celebrity. How else can you explain Arnie Schwarzenegger or Jesse Ventura (for God's sake) being elected to senior political positions.
My belief is that Casey has used this to his obvious advantage, and as a result, we have been conned.
Nonetheless, for better or worse, Casey has retained power and does have a significant mandate to run the club I love. I will continue to fully support the club and will not seek further division. This also must be the stance all pro-alternative people must take.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I feel the same as you, particularly regarding paragraph two. This man has, as you said, brought the club to its financial knees. All we can do now is have confidence in Casey's decisions .. and hope they bring about better results than several million dollar losses.
I also concur with your final statements. What has happened, has happened. It won't be changed now so the best thing for ALL true supporters to do, is move forward in a united and positive manner.
LarryLong
20 Dec 2004, 07:02
In addition I think many posters get a bit carried away with the relative importance of these sites.
Amen to that. :D
Anybody who thinks the relative influence of a couple of pro-xxxxx agitators drowning out web discussion boards swayed the result is just kidding themselves. Geeks will never rule the world.
Long live the Spoon
20 Dec 2004, 07:48
My biggest worry is that Mithen got the third highest amount of votes...
That guy is a D1CK.....
Long live the Spoon
20 Dec 2004, 07:56
On the whole though we are Richmond supporters and this is Richmond... So I would say the Casey and Miller have two years to get the club into the finals and turn the finances around.
Otherwise the blood letting will return to the board, coach etc...
Like the scorpion on the frogs back we cant help it.. its in our nature....
droppuntkick23
20 Dec 2004, 08:05
I am amused, what is wrong with Anthony Mithen ? Can somebody tell me what he has done wrong ? Has he missed easy shots at goal or dropped chest marks ?
My own view has been consistent with that of Weaver. I had grave concerns with the Casey ticket, especially around Casey's recent performance and the conflict of interest that Miller finds himself in.
We have now given a mandate to someone who has successfully lost $3million over the past 2 years and has brought this club to it's financial knees. We now also have a management structure that is undeniably flawed. My confidence in our future is now diminished as a result. I can only hope that Casey does what he says he will.
With Casey trying to bring on Rex Hunt, and then Greg Miller, it smacked to me of someone trying to play personality politics rather than on substance. Not unlike the Labor party using popular figures like Harry Madden, Kirsty Marshall and Peter Garrett. As an aside, this is endemic of a greater flaw in popular Western culture - the influence of the cult of celebrity. How else can you explain Arnie Schwarzenegger or Jesse Ventura (for God's sake) being elected to senior political positions.
My belief is that Casey has used this to his obvious advantage, and as a result, we have been conned.
Nonetheless, for better or worse, Casey has retained power and does have a significant mandate to run the club I love. I will continue to fully support the club and will not seek further division. This also must be the stance all pro-alternative people must take.
The one gripe i have with ur post is basically ur saying the majority of richmond supporters are nothing more than a bunch of banana brained sheep who cant make up their own minds and just get sucked into 'personality politics'... Oh ye of little faith!
Perhaps its time to concede the majority of members saw the alternative for what it really was, lacking in any substance and just anti-current board nothing more.. They also know quality when they see it in GM.
The tribe has spoken...
itsintheblood
20 Dec 2004, 10:43
The one gripe i have with ur post is basically ur saying the majority of richmond supporters are nothing more than a bunch of banana brained sheep who cant make up their own minds and just get sucked into 'personality politics'... Oh ye of little faith!
Perhaps its time to concede the majority of members saw the alternative for what it really was, lacking in any substance and just anti-current board nothing more.. They also know quality when they see it in GM.
The tribe has spoken...
Wholeheartedly agree. The bottom line is this. We vote for casey who has clearly made some big mistakes but is honest enough and man enough to admit them and has made some good moves towards improving the situation ie wallace, wright, getting rid of schwab, seeking AFL help re the finances, etc.
Or we vote for a group of people in Macek's ticket who comprise of a few ex board members who jumped ship when the going got tuff and a potential president who earlier in the year stated he didnt need the trouble of being president of a football club.
One thing you have to credit casey for is the fact that under MASSIVE pressure he has stuck to his guns and fought tooth and nail to stick around and right the wrongs and get this club back into shape.
Don't get me wrong. If the alternative was led by rex hunt, even with miller on casey's side, I would have voted for hunt and he would have rolled the lot of them. It's just that the alternative was a basket case, poorly organised, and offered to do what? 40,000 members? 60,000 people at games on average? BIG DEAL!!!!!
I think a lot of posters on here and OER are very harsh on PRE and how it is run. I'm not sure why it attracts such animosity — I guess jealousy at it's undoubted success could be one factor. Let's face it, I've visited OER a couple of times and it is a very good site. But the traffic is extremely low in comparison to PRE, and, frankly, I want to go to a site that has a bit of action. No offence to MT, but I'll nip up to St Vincents if I want to visit a morgue. :D
I was one of a few posters at PRE who argued thoughtfully and intelligently for the status quo in this election, and, for the most part, was treated with respect. I never felt intimidated or was never made to feel as though my opinion was not worth posting.
I think it is great that as Tiger supporters we have such well-run sites on which we can express our views and talk about our club. I don't see any need for the silly and petty rivalries that seem to abound. Grow up I say!
I think a lot of posters on here and OER are very harsh on PRE and how it is run. I'm not sure why it attracts such animosity — I guess jealousy at it's undoubted success could be one factor. Let's face it, I've visited OER a couple of times and it is a very good site. But the traffic is extremely low in comparison to PRE, and, frankly, I want to go to a site that has a bit of action. No offence to MT, but I'll nip up to St Vincents if I want to visit a morgue.
I was one of a few posters at PRE who argued thoughtfully and intelligently for the status quo in this election, and, for the most part, was treated with respect. I never felt intimidated or was never made to feel as though my opinion was not worth posting.
I think it is great that as Tiger supporters we have such well-run sites on which we can express our views and talk about our club. I don't see any need for the silly and petty rivalries that seem to abound. Grow up I say!
If you're not sure Deano why comment or guess.
No offence to MT, but I'll nip up to St Vincents if I want to visit a morgue.
No offence hey - i think you did a good job in one sentence. My opinion is you did intend to offend, but just used your usual "intellectual and thoughtful" approach. For your info, MT and WP are not the culprits in the PRE bashing - have never been and i don't expect there ever will be.
I was one of a few posters at PRE who argued thoughtfully and intelligently
And i thought i had a massive ego lol
If you're not sure Deano why comment or guess.
Why not?
Don't worry Froars, I'll never accuse you of being intelligent or thoughtful :p :D
Nope, dopey froars :D
Geez Deano, get off your patronising high horse!
Hammerfire
20 Dec 2004, 11:30
I'm slightly suprised by your comments Dean3, as i have seen you getting double and triple'd team in some debates where your opinion is not really given any thought.
But i do agree with the fact, which is PRE isn't as bad as bigfooty makes it out to be.
I'm slightly suprised by your comments Dean3, as i have seen you getting double and triple'd team in some debates where your opinion is not really given any thought.
Oh gawd, I'm used to that. Often it is the most amazingly intelligent and stupendously thoughtful comments that are ignored. :p
A bit like the one Froars just made. ;)
A bit like the one Froars just made.
Thanks for the compliment Deano, i'll take that one lol
The Super Grass
20 Dec 2004, 11:40
I found it quite funny that the poll on the front page of PRE predicted the 60-40 split that we eventually got. Rosy was convinced that the poll had been tampered with because there were so many votes, despite the % for each selection hardly moving. I'm sure it was really because she didn't expect the alternative to be behind, especially for the official unofficial/alternative website.
I think an appropriate word for her is delusional, she's certainly lacking in logic anyway
Ahhh. Just because Rosy's autonomous, Hitler Love Child-like site had more votes for the Miller/Casey ticket, she instantly expects the poll to be rigged or flawed. What an absolute dingbat she is.
Rosy, just because you've turned away all the free thinking supporters on your site, it does not mean we still wont show up to vote on Polls that shock you into the realisation of your own biased, and ignorant minded thinking.
Its people like Rosy who are responsible for the internal crap over the last 25 years. And it's the internet that has given her a voice, not the voice itself.
If Miller said, lets all stop barracking for Richmond and merge with Eddie's club, a lot of posters on this board would say yes, what a good idea.
Without Greg Miller, the election would have been a different result. So be it. But now its time for Greg the messiah to deliver.
And all those gloating about the election result better pray we're not in this same position in 12 months time. Because you handed this footy club right over to Greg Miller. So lets see what the great man does with it.....
droppuntkick23
20 Dec 2004, 13:51
Ahhh. Just because Rosy's autonomous, Hitler Love Child-like site had more votes for the Miller/Casey ticket, she instantly expects the poll to be rigged or flawed. What an absolute dingbat she is.
Rosy, just because you've turned away all the free thinking supporters on your site, it does not mean we still wont show up to vote on Polls that shock you into the realisation of your own biased, and ignorant minded thinking.
Its people like Rosy who are responsible for the internal crap over the last 25 years. And it's the internet that has given her a voice, not the voice itself.
That sums it up nicely I do beleive. Great post. !
cairo tiger
20 Dec 2004, 15:31
we have spoken not quite as one but lets let it roll now, time to win footy games and get into the black (and yellow!)
If Miller said, lets all stop barracking for Richmond and merge with Eddie's club, a lot of posters on this board would say yes, what a good idea.
1980 - You usually have some pretty good things to contribute to this site, but that one is just ridiculous. I know there are a lot of people who have put a lot of faith in Miller, but that's simply because he's getting the job done and its about time someone did.
1980 - You usually have some pretty good things to contribute to this site, but that one is just ridiculous. I know there are a lot of people who have put a lot of faith in Miller, but that's simply because he's getting the job done and its about time someone did.
You've clearly misjudged me. I have nothing of any relevance to say!
From Dean3,husband of Rosy3 ; No offence to MT, but I'll nip up to St Vincents if I want to visit a morgue.
...and stay where he is when he wants to be surounded by underage kids :eek:
LMAO@Dean stating his intelligence so we know.
silence ofthe Robert
20 Dec 2004, 17:22
1980 - You usually have some pretty good things to contribute to this site, but that one is just ridiculous. I know there are a lot of people who have put a lot of faith in Miller, but that's simply because he's getting the job done and its about time someone did.
What is Greg's job exactly. I thought as Director of Football it was to produce a successful football department. I always thought in recent years that RFC was happy with mediocrity but if losing 31 out of our last 36, while blowing the budget is getting the job done, it appears we are all happy with something way below mediocre.
It was never about short term success
No one could have ever turned around the fortunes of this club in 2 years
cairo tiger
20 Dec 2004, 18:57
lets take our medicine and get on with it
tiger of old
20 Dec 2004, 20:44
Hammerfire..
If you are remotely eloquent in your support of Casey and Co on that website, you are banned or your posts are deleted.
There is no inbetween.
Laughs.thats so far from the truth its not funny.
tigertime
20 Dec 2004, 20:47
If we were happy with mediocrity, we would have voted for the alternative.
Why dont you just accept that you were wrong Robert and get behind the board and the club.
If you dont, you really dont want to be a richmond supporter. Because all you are doing is saying that the vast majority of fans are stupid and love losing.
You wont have any friends with that attitude mate. :)
What is Greg's job exactly. I thought as Director of Football it was to produce a successful football department. I always thought in recent years that RFC was happy with mediocrity but if losing 31 out of our last 36, while blowing the budget is getting the job done, it appears we are all happy with something way below mediocre.
Hammerfire
20 Dec 2004, 21:03
Laughs.thats so far from the truth its not funny.
Agreed, extreme paranoia.
While i agree that there is bias to the way the forum is run, it's hardly as bad as people here say it is.