Replace the Deadbacks with Canberra

[GrahamH]

These useless, talentless, egotistical ********ing useless ********** are a joke at the moment. Even the worst district side in Victoria would beat these incompetent ********ing jokes. Makes me ashamed to be a South Australian. Next coach should be Ian Chappell. At least he would separate ******** from talent !!!!!. But then again, who would want to have anything to do with this ********ing disrace of a cricket side !!!! And , how many more failures can we accept from that useless fat piece of ******** Cosgrove before he gets the kick up the arse he deserves. NOT ********ING HAPPY !!!!!!!

[PowerKop]

Think your being a tad harsh their mate. Some positive signs there. Ferguson and Plant have both showed a bit, Tait is nearing an Aussie birth, Cullen looks like he'll be a good bowler and Cosgrove will be a gun. The finger needs to be pointed at senior blokes, like Blewett, who should be leading the way and helping the youngsters out, Blewy is clearly not doing this. Changing the coach won't help at all. Flipper is doing the right thing, in playing youngsters, when he could just as easily play more experienced blokes. Dont get to frustrated, in two years time we will be dominating.

[DaveW]

Get a grip.

It's a team full of young and inexperienced players. We have two openers with about half a dozen games between them. A couple of 20 year olds in the middle order. A 20 year old spinner in his first season. A couple of pace bowlers who have only been regulars since last season.

What did you expect, 10 outright wins?

And yet their best is very good. We saw that with WA at 7/120 in the first innings. With experience will (hopefully) come consistency.

In the meantime, its time for SA supporters to show the same faith in the young players that the selectors are. And quit with these indulgent outbursts.

[GrahamH]

Think your being a tad harsh their mate.


I dont think so. When we are 3/12, then 3/97, then all-out for 131. As for the bowling, we have them 6/82, then 7/120 and they make 248. We couldnt make 248 in 2 innings. We have accepted mediocrity for far too long. And I for one will not accept it any longer !!!!! :mad:

[Blue Red and Gold]

I am disappointed with the Redbacks as I am sure alot of people are but I think you have gone a bit overboard there.

They will come good, we just have to roll with the punches.

[PowerKop]

Get a grip.

It's a team full of young and inexperienced players. We have two openers with about half a dozen games between them. A couple of 20 year olds in the middle order. A 20 year old spinner in his first season. A couple of pace bowlers who have only been regulars since last season.


Exactly and everyone of the youngsters (Tait, Cullen, Plant, Fergusen, Cosgrove) has shown enough to suggest that they can be successful players at state level. Our batting is obviously the real worry, with a large problem being a lack of batting depth. There are just not enough players at District level making mountains of runs to demand a spot. Just going to be patient and expect a few shocker as well as good performances.

[m.diddy]

moron ...

lets drop hawthorn and bring in Tassie, Hawhtorn suck and any VFL side in could beat. Mate you are a moron

[PowerKop]

moron ...

lets drop hawthorn and bring in Tassie, Hawhtorn suck and any VFL side in could beat. Mate you are a moron
Umm wrong thread I think

[DaveW]

moron ...

lets drop hawthorn and bring in Tassie, Hawhtorn suck and any VFL side in could beat. Mate you are a moron
Yes, say what you like about the Redbacks but we haven't yet felt the need to bring Merv Hughes and Mike Veletta out of retirement. :)

[GrahamH]

Get a grip.

It's a team full of young and inexperienced players. We have two openers with about half a dozen games between them. A couple of 20 year olds in the middle order. A 20 year old spinner in his first season. A couple of pace bowlers who have only been regulars since last season.

What did you expect, 10 outright wins?

And yet their best is very good. We saw that with WA at 7/120 in the first innings. With experience will (hopefully) come consistency.

In the meantime, its time for SA supporters to show the same faith in the young players that the selectors are. And quit with these indulgent outbursts.


That is the attitude that has kept us down for god knows how many years. Yes, we have inexperienced players but so does every bloody state.

No I didnt expect 10 outright wins BUT I expect a batting side to at least show some guts and a BIT of a fight.

What I dont expect is the same old collapse from ALLEGED first-class cricketers. You keep defending that useless fat piece of ******** Cosgrove by saying "he is young, he will get better". Well he wont as long as the likes of you continue to mollycoddle him instead of giving him a kick up the arse. SA cricket needs a HUGE overhaul. Get a call in to Ian Chappell NOW !!!! Gutless, ********houese performances such as what we are seeing now will NOT be tolerated, at least not by me !!!!

[GrahamH]

moron ...

lets drop hawthorn and bring in Tassie, Hawhtorn suck and any VFL side in could beat. Mate you are a moron


You are a ********wit !!!!!!! Different competetion, different sport, **************** !!!!!! ******** of back to the mindas board where you belong !!!!

[GrahamH]

They will come good, we just have to roll with the punches.


So we have to accept getting bowled out for 29 !!!! Losing 9/50 against what is considered to be the worst attack in Australia (Sorry WA fans but it is !!!) on Adelaide Oval. Lets not forget our One-day record over the last 2 years (how many bonus points have we conceded). Sorry I cant accept that. And any self-respecting Redbacks fan would NOT put up with the ******** that they have been dealt with. (FFS I went to the shops at 12:20 today we were 3/95, when I came back 40 mins later we were ALL OUT !!!!) Young side or not, that is a ********-weak cop-out !!!!!! HOW MUCH ********ING MORE MUST WE TAKE !!!!!!!!!!

[Adelaide Hawk]

moron ...

lets drop hawthorn and bring in Tassie, Hawhtorn suck and any VFL side in could beat. Mate you are a moron

I've read this three times and have no idea what it means. Once again ... in English this time?

[Blue Red and Gold]

So we have to accept getting bowled out for 29 !!!! Losing 9/50 against what is considered to be the worst attack in Australia (Sorry WA fans but it is !!!) on Adelaide Oval. Lets not forget our One-day record over the last 2 years (how many bonus points have we conceded). Sorry I cant accept that. And any self-respecting Redbacks fan would NOT put up with the ******** that they have been dealt with. (FFS I went to the shops at 12:20 today we were 3/95, when I came back 40 mins later we were ALL OUT !!!!) Young side or not, that is a ********-weak cop-out !!!!!! HOW MUCH ********ING MORE MUST WE TAKE !!!!!!!!!!

I am not happy with what is happening either, no redbacks supporter could be, but what do you actually suggest, all you have suggested is bring in Ian Chappell.
So we drop all our young players who are not performing, but do have the talent to play at state level and bring in what, over the hill no future ex state players or young average district cricketers who are always going to struggle at state level?

There is no quick fix answer to this, it does not mean we are accepting the result, we are just accepting the reality whether we like it or not we just have to have faith that there is a hell of alot of work going on behind the scenes.

[sherb]

I've read this three times and have no idea what it means. Once again ... in English this time?

I think it is being used as an analogy to the title of this thread :D

[GrahamH]

So we drop all our young players who are not performing, but do have the talent to play at state level and bring in what, over the hill no future ex state players or young average district cricketers who are always going to struggle at state level?

There is no quick fix answer to this, it does not mean we are accepting the result, we are just accepting the reality whether we like it or not we just have to have faith that there is a hell of alot of work going on behind the scenes.


I know and maybe I am going over the top (Wearing my SA heart on my sleeve) BUT I am getting totally ********ed off with these ********house performances, yet every other state seems to be getting better. We were 3/95 today and got bowled out for 131 40 mins later on Adelaide Oval against the worst bowling attack in the land. Youngsters aside that CANNOT be accepted. Christ we had them 6/80 and they still made 250. That has happened too many times in the last 10 years for my liking. ********, we have the best practice/training facilities in the country and we still SUCK !!!!

[WCL]

Don't replace the Redbacks, just bring Canberra back in :D

[Blue Red and Gold]

I know and maybe I am going over the top (Wearing my SA heart on my sleeve) BUT I am getting totally ********ed off with these ********house performances, yet every other state seems to be getting better. We were 3/95 today and got bowled out for 131 40 mins later on Adelaide Oval against the worst bowling attack in the land. Youngsters aside that CANNOT be accepted. Christ we had them 6/80 and they still made 250. That has happened too many times in the last 10 years for my liking. ********, we have the best practice/training facilities in the country and we still SUCK !!!!

I hear what your saying and I agree, these performances cannot be tolerated, but this problem is much bigger than just the 11 players who take the field.
I think sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before the people in charge will realise something drastic has to be done.
Hopefully this season will reinforce the problem and something will be done, I know it is way overdue but hopefully something positive will come out of this season yet.

[spindoctor]

Youth cannot explain away some of the miserable performances, that much is correct. There needs to be much harsher discipline in SACA. Cosgrove IS a fat sh*t, and should not be allowed to get away with it given his form is so abominable lately. We are embarrassing ourselves with these lame excuses that 'it's only inconsistency of youth' and such. It's not. It's poor mental attitude, poor management by SACA and weak coaching.

And having a scrubber like Manou as captain.

[GrahamH]

I hear what your saying and I agree, these performances cannot be tolerated, but this problem is much bigger than just the 11 players who take the field.
I think sometimes you have to hit rock bottom before the people in charge will realise something drastic has to be done.
Hopefully this season will reinforce the problem and something will be done, I know it is way overdue but hopefully something positive will come out of this season yet.

Yeah, I agree, Grade cricket needs a complete overhaul. When hacks like Ben Johnson open the bowling for his grade club (and is their highest wicket-taker

:eek: ) and Deitz and Mick Miller are 1 and 2 in the Bradman medal despite not playing half the matches, something is wrong. From what I have seen of the district performances, Borgas, Kelly, Zrim, Skewes, Hook need to be given an opportunity to see if they are any good. FFS, we having left to lose (especially pride !!! :( )

[big_sav]

id like to see how SA wil perform if tait is out of team (injury or aussie call-up?)

its their only good player

[Bresh]

Yeah, I agree, Grade cricket needs a complete overhaul. When hacks like Ben Johnson open the bowling for his grade club (and is their highest wicket-taker

:eek: ) and Deitz and Mick Miller are 1 and 2 in the Bradman medal despite not playing half the matches, something is wrong. From what I have seen of the district performances, Borgas, Kelly, Zrim, Skewes, Hook need to be given an opportunity to see if they are any good. FFS, we having left to lose (especially pride !!! :( )
I don't see where you're going. This is exactly what we're doing at the moment. The old guys who weren't getting it done have been shown the door, and our much heralded youngsters have finally got a gig. Those guys that you mention are very much behind the likes of Plant, Ferguson, Tait, Cullen et al. Surely you don't think they would do any better, as none of them have been better at the lower grades of cricket than the guys we have at the moment.

As BR&G has said, we pretty much have no other choice to play these guys. There isn't much wrong with our bowling, they pick themselves, I think you could agree... and there aren't any batsmen performing in A Grade to earn themselves a position.

As bad as it might look, they are the best we've got, and we've got no choice but to play them.

[GrahamH]

I don't see where you're going. This is exactly what we're doing at the moment. The old guys who weren't getting it done have been shown the door, and our much heralded youngsters have finally got a gig. Those guys that you mention are very much behind the likes of Plant, Ferguson, Tait, Cullen et al. Surely you don't think they would do any better.

As BR&G has said, we pretty much have no other choice to play these guys. There isn't much wrong with our bowling, they pick themselves, I think you could agree... and there aren't any batsmen performing in A Grade to earn themselves a position.

As bad as it might look, they are the best we've got, and we've got no choice but to play them.

None of you get it !!!!! The fact that these hacks are our best performed at Grade level means that there is a HUGE jump from Grade Cricket to State Cricket, that is because of the ridiculously high number of "A" grade sides in Adelaide Grade cricket. "Young" guys are getting a game with the DeadBacks because of the pitful standard of Grade Cricket. As I said,when the likes of Johnson, Deitz, Fitzgerald, Vaughan, Adcock, Miller are the measuring stick for our youngsters, then its no wonder we are currently getting flogged. We need to get someone in to SA cricket with a ********ing big broom and an equally big ********ing stick. At the moment we have coaches that are content with being a laughing stock because we have "a young side" GIVE ME A ********ING BREAK !!!! WHAT A BUNCH OF ********ING ****************S !!!!!

[Bresh]

The "young" players were amongst the best players in their respective Australian representative sides... and then you go on to say that we should give guys a go who are performing in the same district competition that you run down in this thread. Any other state would play these guys, if they didn't already have a slather of able first-class players, something we are severely lacking. So we play them, deal with it. As you say, those guys are 'the measuring stick' or whatever... that's the hand that we've been dealt.

Who would you play in the South Australian line-up, now?

You say our results are intolerable at the moment, but if we fielded the team you seem to be after we'd be losing outright in a day.

[GrahamH]

Any other state would play these guys, if they didn't already have a slather of able first-class players

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard
:D

Tait maybe as a bowler, BUT how many of our batsman would crack it in any other side ???? Please, not fat boy Cosgrove :D
We have had 5/6 4 day gameas and the same amout of One-day games. Blokes like Cameron, Cosgrove, Plant, Smith have proven to be not up to it. Ferguson is the only one to emerge with a pass mark. Now we need to try our next lot of 5-6 players. Lets face it, they can do no worse !!!!

[Bresh]

That is the funniest thing I have ever heard
:D

Er, how? Do you disagree with it? The point is, other states have 11 legit first-class cricketers in their prime. We probably have 2 or 3, at best. If other states were in the same situation they'd be playing kids of this ilk.


Blokes like Cameron, Cosgrove, Plant, Smith have proven to be not up to it. Ferguson is the only one to emerge with a pass mark. Now we need to try our next lot of 5-6 players.

That is just fundamentally moronic. Suppose that guys have already proven 'not to be up to it', then we throw guys who have proven less on the district level (which you believe to be crap) to the lions? WTF?

Further, Plant has a first-class century in what, 4 games, at the age of 20/21? How is he proven not to be up to it.

Cosgrove has played for Australia A, and is our best batsman at the age of 21, whether we like it or not.

Lets face it, they can do no worse !!!!

Logic would tend to suggest that yes, worse players would see us to worse. The current XI is in place because giving them experience now gives us the best chance to be good in the future. Shuffling teams around every two months will not see that happen.

[GrahamH]

That is just fundamentally moronic. Suppose that guys have already proven 'not to be up to it', then we throw guys who have proven less on the district level (which you believe to be crap) to the lions? WTF?

Further, Plant has a first-class century in what, 4 games, at the age of 20/21? How is he proven not to be up to it.

Cosgrove has played for Australia A, and is our best batsman at the age of 21, whether we like it or not.


Cosgrove is a joke, the fact he played for Aus A is a bigger joke (just what were his stats !!!) , truth is he is an a fat overrated lazy slob who will never get better whilst his coaches accept his condition. He will be another Greg Ritchie (potential but no dedication) If as you believe that the guys currently playing are the best in SA (you know, the same ones that got bowled out for 29 !!! and 131 today) then we have some major ********ups playing Grade Cricket. Reduce the number of Grade teams might be a start. Maybe some of these overrated hacks that are dominating Grade cricket might JUST have to earn their spot.

[GrahamH]

Er, how? Do you disagree with it? The point is, other states have 11 legit first-class cricketers in their prime. We probably have 2 or 3, at best. If other states were in the same situation they'd be playing kids of this ilk.






We have 1 at best. Shaun Tait. Not one other state cricketer in SA would even be considered in any other state

[Bresh]

Cosgrove averages 36.15 in the Pura Cup, with 2 centuries and 6 fifties. I would fancy those are better stats than every other 20 year old participating in the Pura Cup.

[Bresh]

We have 1 at best. Shaun Tait. Not one other state cricketer in SA would even be considered in any other state
Rofe, Blewett, Clearly and Cullen (in that order) would be highly likely to play for most states. But that is not the point, and again you have misinterpreted.

If any other state, only had 1 or 2 legit first-class cricketers, then they would be playing guys the calibre of our current XI. We don't have a choice, and that will be the way it is until these guys will turn the corner, which considering their talent, will occur quicker than any other option we have at the moment.

[GrahamH]

Cosgrove averages 36.15 in the Pura Cup, with 2 centuries and 6 fifties. I would fancy those are better stats than every other 20 year old participating in the Pura Cup.

Stats this season ?????


No-one knew about him last season. Now they know he is a one-dimensional lazy cricketer who other than the cut-shot has no other shot. Very overrated cricketer. There are at least a dozen batsmen in this country who are better/ more dedicated/ deserve to be in contention for Aus A selection more than this lazy hack !!!! If that is what we are depending on in the next 10 years then we are well and truly ********ed.

[Sinn]

I've read this three times and have no idea what it means. Once again ... in English this time?
Schools still teach that? I thought it was all SMS these days.

[The Fonz]

This is more of a football thing then cricket one but the SACA should sack Wayne Phillips and let someone else take on for the remainder of the season.

[GrahamH]

Rofe, Blewett, Clearly and Cullen (in that order) would be highly likely to play for most states. But that is not the point, and again you have misinterpreted.



Mate you are now really making me laugh !!!!! :D

Blewett Not one other state would have him in their top order. Weak as ********. Look at his record for SA in the last 2 seasons when he has been asked to step up !!!! He is an overrated hack !!!!

Cullen has played in 5 SS matches and yet Davison was preferred to him in the One-Day arena. Shows how much faith SA selectors have had in him. !!! Would not play in front of any other front-line spiiner in any other state side. Potential YES but has done NOTHING YET !!!

Rofe - Correct me if I am wrong but isnt this the same Rofe that cant get ahead of Higgs and Harris in our current One-Day bowling line-up. YEP. Very valuable member of our side according to the selectors. GEEZUS next you will be telling us Manou would make any other state side !!!!


Cleary - is close. But name me one state side he would get in to ahead of the incumbents. (Maybe WA !!!!).

Problem is, we have overrated our players when (apart from Tait ) they have done ********-all. And from what I have seen apart from Ferguson and to a lesser extent Cullen they have ******** all !!!!!

[DaveW]

This is more of a football thing then cricket one but the SACA should sack Wayne Phillips and let someone else take on for the remainder of the season.
Knee-jerk reaction.

[docker_azza]

How did Canberra go in the ING cup? How many titles die they win?

[sinepari]

GrahamH

You are a fine example of a tool. Run along and play with your football mates, because u clearly dont understand how the cricket system works.

[GrahamH]

How did Canberra go in the ING cup? How many titles die they win?

I think they had 2 wins, both against Victoria. That would be good enough reason to let them back in wouldnt it ????
:D

[GrahamH]

GrahamH

You are a fine example of a tool. Run along and play with your football mates, because u clearly dont understand how the cricket system works.


Oh sorry oh great one. Just how does it work ????? Obviously being honest in ones performance isnt one of them. I stand and bow to your greater knowledge having responded to your greater wisdom. ******** HEAD !!!!!!

[sinepari]

Oh sorry oh great one. Just how does it work ????? Obviously being honest in ones performance isnt one of them. I stand and bow to your greater knowledge having responded to your greater wisdom. ******** HEAD !!!!!!

No i am not the one who lacks forsight and an understanding that S.A is a developing young side. Give them 3 years and they will be the best team in the comp. Can u not see the potential that exists there, or is ur cricket understanding based on a career that did not go past under 14's?.
Seriously, go on and sledge cosgrove, but if u cant see that he has talent, although still a little loose, you must be blind. Most ppl here agree with me so get over it.

[sinepari]

Can you not see that the young players are playing with a ********e load of pressure on them cos none of the senior players are scoring runs?Ferguson and cullen got ********e all?? Are u serious?Did u not follow the under 19 system? Or do u purely just check the pura cup scores and them make judgements?So many funny and incorrect statements u have made!! But i cant spend all day pointing them out, im simply relying on the ppl out there who have cricket knowledge to find them themselves.

[GrahamH]

No i am not the one who lacks forsight and an understanding that S.A is a developing young side. Give them 3 years and they will be the best team in the comp. Can u not see the potential that exists there, or is ur cricket understanding based on a career that did not go past under 14's?.
Seriously, go on and sledge cosgrove, but if u cant see that he has talent, although still a little loose, you must be blind. Most ppl here agree with me so get over it.


Have you actually seen Cosgrove bat other than on TV !!! I have !!!! He is a lazy overrrated hack. As for SA being a young side I would challenge that and say your WA side has just as much all-round inexperience. Yet they won the One-day comp last year through their own self-belief, pride and passion, something that is and has been missing in the "Redcap" for too many years now. They are happy just to get a game, not happy with extending that to the next level. Unforunately, thats the difference between WA (and every other state) and SA. Not enough passion for the "Redcap". That is the thing that ********s me the most. !!!! We apparently have the best young talent coming though but from what I have seen, we have Tait, Cullen (potential) Ferguson (potential) nothing else

[PowerKop]

Don't know why everyone is obsessed with reducing the amount of sides in grade cricket. It has always been the same and has always produced quality cricketers. Reducing the amount of sides just comes up whenever the Redbacks are struggling. No clubs will ever merge and the SACA will find it very hard to get Port Adelaide out of the comp. or take away their A grade status. Forget the amount of grade teams, its not going to change.

[Kane McGoodwin]

These useless, talentless, egotistical ********ing useless ********** are a joke at the moment. Even the worst district side in Victoria would beat these incompetent ********ing jokes. Makes me ashamed to be a South Australian. Next coach should be Ian Chappell. At least he would separate ******** from talent !!!!!. But then again, who would want to have anything to do with this ********ing disrace of a cricket side !!!! And , how many more failures can we accept from that useless fat piece of ******** Cosgrove before he gets the kick up the arse he deserves. NOT ********ING HAPPY !!!!!!!
Take a deep breath & relax.

SA selectors have done the correct thing in getting rid of the average duds that we have for the last few years & replacing them with the best young talent available. Because we lack quality experienced players (ie. we miss an Andy Flower type or 2) around these youngsters, we are going to struggle until they establish themselves - which is not going to happen overnight!

[GrahamH]

Take a deep breath & relax.

SA selectors have done the correct thing in getting rid of the average duds that we have for the last few years & replacing them with the best young talent available. Because we lack quality experienced players (ie. we miss an Andy Flower type or 2) around these youngsters, we are going to struggle until they establish themselves - which is not going to happen overnight!

Agree, except the next grade dont seem to be up to the grade. Try the next best, thats all I ask (And for people to not overrate Cosgrove !!!, he is in the ordinary grade ATM)

[dA Crow]

Don't know why everyone is obsessed with reducing the amount of sides in grade cricket. It has always been the same and has always produced quality cricketers. Reducing the amount of sides just comes up whenever the Redbacks are struggling. No clubs will ever merge and the SACA will find it very hard to get Port Adelaide out of the comp. or take away their A grade status. Forget the amount of grade teams, its not going to change.

Unfortunately the talent pool in SA Grade cricket is extremely thin at the moment. To be brutally honest I think that we would struggle to combine all the grade sides into a team that would have been competative in with grade sides from 5 years ago. I really cant see it improving until the competition is reduced so that the quality of these sides is condensed into a few, but stronger competition. However, it is with the Colts and juniors that the problem is really appearing, many sub district sides are struggling to field junior sides on a constant basis; this base is where our next generation of grade and state players will be developed from, and it looks very barren at this time.

[gadj1976]

Graham, it's good to see that you're so passionate about it all.

SA cricket has been ordinary at best for 10 years. Even when we won the shield we were a ball away from getting done outright (I think).

We're suffering from mismanagment in that I dont' believe G Chappell was a good coach. Mentor yes but coach no. And I don't think cricket is thriving in SA at the moment.

We have two very good bowlers and one - maybe two very good batsman (Gillespie and Boof aside).

We haven't blooded any youngsters of note for ages and we're suffering now. Also, we're bringing those youngsters into a side who is used to not-winning. I don't think we push them hard enough. The team is continually referred to as "young and inexperienced" but seriously are we that much younger and inexperienced than say WA or Tas or anyone else?

Manou shouldn't have been made captain. it wasn't a good time to change captains IMO. Manou is at best, still finding his feet. His keeping skills need work, so does his batting and yet they lump the captaincy of a side that they openly declare will not be competitive for a couple of years. What's that going to do to his confidence?

Odd choices made by people who I would've thought would've known better.