why doesnt someone put freos best team on paper??

[whity26]

somebody put freos best team below. see if u can fit all ur midfielders in the same team. good luck!!

[docker_azza]

FB Hayden Haddrill Parker

HB Gilmore McPharlin Walker

C Schammer Haselby Black

HF M Carr Pavlich Farmer

FF Murphy Polak Medhurst

RUCK Longmuir Bell J Carr

INT Schofield Sandilands McManus Headland


EMER Woods Webster Browne

[Moo]

Thornton cant make the emergencies?

I'd have Thornton in the 18, Parker on the bench and at this stage drop off Schofield or Gilmore.

It is a good 22

[Kapow!!!]

B: Parker Hadrill Hayden
HB: Thornton McPharlin Webster
C: Headland Haselby Black
HF: Farmer Pavlich M.Carr
F: Murphy Polak Medhurst
FOLL: Longmuir Bell J.Carr

INT: Sandilands, Schammer, Browne, Schofield

That's just my best team anyway

[docker_azza]

Forgot about Rash

FB Hayden Haddrill Parker

HB Thornton McPharlin Gilmore

C Black Haselby Schammer

HF M Carr Pavlich Farmer

FF Murphy Polak Medhurst

RUCK J Longmuir Bell J Carr

INT Schofield Walker/McManus Headland Sandilands

[Moo]

With Cooky in the wings and hopefully some pressure form Murphy, Dunn, Browne and Smith - we could arguably go 25 deep.

Still not enough to win a flag but enough to ensure some competition for positions. I see Schofield specifically putting pressure on Des to perform and there are a few flanker types.

[Undertaker]

Here is mine

B: Thornton Hadrill Hayden
HB: Parker McPharlin M.Carr
C: Headland Haselby Walker
HF: Farmer Polak Pavlich
F: Longmuir Murphy Medhurst

FOLL: Sandilands Bell J.Carr

INT: Schammer, Webster, Schofield, Black.

Unlucky: Cook, MacMannus, Gilmour, Siegert. Dunn, Dodd, Woods & Browne

[fat wombat]

It's so difficult to judge where players will be lining up for next season, so I wont even try. But I do look forward to getting a few surprises in the pre-season games.

Why does everyone ignore Connollys suggestion that Headland will be playing off half back next year? To see him play a similar role as he did with Brisbane? I'd pay to see that!

The young wildcards for mine are woods, dunn, mundy, johnson, murphy, campbell, dodd and gilmore. All barring Campbell (correct me if I'm wrong!), they all got a run at some stage last year (pre-season games included). All of those kids could be anything and Dion has All Australian potential if he gets out and has a go! You just never know with these guys how a good pre-season will treat them. Their bodies can develop overnight. In the pre-season we should send a select group off to Japan to train and eat with Sumo wrestlers :)

What's the deal with Peake? Was he just drafted so we could do the father son thing or is the lad going to get a game or 2 under his belt?

I'd love to see how many kg's Polak has put on thus far, apparently Campbell has put on a few too, although he did get a good head start! Has the rash finally put on some weight?

I guess my point is guys, don't discount a few surprises in 2005.

[docker_azza]

Why does everyone ignore Connollys suggestion that Headland will be playing off half back next year? To see him play a similar role as he did with Brisbane? I'd pay to see that!



I guess my point is guys, don't discount a few surprises in 2005.

I have been long thinking about the prospect of Headland playing off HB. Also it will give him a reference point to help him regain his best form. I didnt realise CC had brought that idea up.

[dominguez]

We haven't seen Dessie with a full pre-season under his belt at Freo. Hopefully if his ankles stay good we will see a much improved player in 05, especially with our additions to the midfield. I'm not sure if he has the accountability to play off a HBF.

Peake had some very good games for the sharks last season but needs to put on weight before being considered for a game.

Dion looked like he was going to be a superstar but has struggled since his Dad passed away. If he can find his form from the first half of 03 then he will be a valuable part of our side. He's one of few players on our list with pace and a penetrating kick. If he still seems uninterested in footy 2005 may be his last season at Freo (was reportedly offered as part of our unsuccessful Josh Carr deals).

[surfsup]

B: Hayden Hadrill Parker
HB: M.Carr McPharlin Black
C: Walker J.Carr Headland
HF: McManus Pavlich Farmer
F: Murphy Polak Medhurst

FOLL: Longmuir Bell Hasleby

INT: Sandilands, Schammer, Cook, Schofield.

Unlucky: Webster, Thornton

I didn't even include Woods in the unlucky bracket because I don't think he deserves to be there going on last years performance. I'm still doubtful as to whether the guy can bulk up enough to be considered in a team capable of winning a premiership.
I did have Cook in the unlucky bracket but swapped him for Webster because I think the more hard-at-it players in the team the better....and well, Webster is just plain unlucky so he sort of fits in there doesn't he.
I dont think Des can be accountable enough to hold down a HB position, and putting Black there should give us some first rate delivery of the ball.
Thornton will either come into the side when anyone on the HB or FB line is ommitted or when a bit more height is required.
I'm undecided as to whether J.Carr or Hasleby should be a rover or be in the centre. (where was Carr playing with port?)
Murphy in the forward line , and persist with him, we NEED a Key Forward, because I'm still dont convinced about Polak yet....but I hope I'm wrong.

Gotta go,
surfsup.

[sabre_ac]

Dion looked like he was going to be a superstar but has struggled since his Dad passed away. If he can find his form from the first half of 03 then he will be a valuable part of our side. He's one of few players on our list with pace and a penetrating kick. If he still seems uninterested in footy 2005 may be his last season at Freo (was reportedly offered as part of our unsuccessful Josh Carr deals).


Dion is your classic example of ability to burn but lacks the committement (well so it seems).
My fear is much like Bandy who also had it all he will never live up to his potential.
Imagine the ability of woods (who despite his draw backs has it all, and pure physical attributes is amongst the elite of the comp) with bells tenacity and heart.

[Freo Shark]

I'd love to see how many kg's Polak has put on thus far, apparently Campbell has put on a few too, although he did get a good head start! Has the rash finally put on some weight?
Have we any news on players pre-season, has Polly put on any weight ?

Has 211 put on another 15kgs ? :)

[docker_azza]

To be quite honest, I think McManus will be lucky to get in the 18. I rate M Carr and Farmer as better prospects on the HFF than him and there are players who will squeeze him out of the starting midfield. Sure everyone loves him because he is passionate, committed and gives 100% etc. butas for all the outrage last year, I am starting to believe the view that he was dropped last year for good reason. If you were out of form you deserved to be dropped, simple as that. I know that there were other ones that should have been dropped. Next year is kind of make or break.

Cook also will be struggling, something needs to be done with his disposals. Even though he is tough and can tackle hard, his skill errors can be costly and are annoying.

I dont rate Browne, his disposals are so dodgy, and if he doesnt improve them signifigantly, how could I rate him. I believe that you are only as good as your disposal.

[Moo]

Thornton is highly rated and will play all games (assuming fit) - the pressure is on how the midrange players switch to negating or flank type play.

Des is it lack of accountability or his free running style .....depends on who gets his hands on the ball.

Des will likely play a sweeping role again for us with reduced time on the ball as such, should also mean Des does not see a hard tag early.

If we can get our hands on the pill we will make Dessy look a million dollars, if not or we turn it over cheaply Des will be nominated a non-committed pretty boy.

Where we get better is - hopefully a greater % of win the ball from the centre/stoppages (with 211 and the revamped midfield), winning the ball consistently in the middle makes your breaking half back flankers look a million dollars. King (Roos) has made a living running from half back (leaving his man in the process) picking up the cheap (but very effective) handpass and being able to thump it long into a forward line that has mostly had an effective target at CHF.

With Pav and Polly as permanent targets, Medhurst/Farmer ...it makes the remaining forward positions interesting. Cooky cant kick (pity his tackling and hard at it attitude would be great) .....Matty Carr and McManus will bring a toughness. If we can lock it in we will kick more but also if it gives Des and God willing Walker the confidence to discover the joys of taking on an opponent and kicking long to 2 or 3 tall marking options.

[fat wombat]

Has 211 put on another 15kgs ? :)

I'd certainly hope not, at 120kg he's already the heaviest guy running around in the AFL. Regardless he'll be sure to lose 5kg in a pre-season game :)

[Scham]

[QUOTE=dominguez]We haven't seen Dessie with a full pre-season under his belt at Freo.

I'm certain he got through 03 and 04 pre seasons. Played in the Aboriginals game in Darwin in Jan 03 and got injured very late in the 04 pre season, like early Feb.

Can't use that as an excuse.

Confident that he'll have a good season this year tho with our midfield gaining class and feeding the pill out to him. Should be pretty to watch.

[Scham]

BTW my best 21 for 05 is;

HAYDEN HADDRILL THORNTON
HEADLAND McPHARLANE DODD
BLACK HASELBY SCHAMMER
SCHOFIELD PAVLICH M CARR
FARMER POLAK MEDHURST

JLO BELL J CARR

WALKER SANDI PARKER ?????

The last spot is up for grabs with up to 12 fighting for it! What a great position to be in!

[fat wombat]

I think the answer to the question of "why doesn't someone put freos best team of paper?" is that we don't know what it is. But we are all experts ;) We have so many options now and it will take a bit of experimenting and feeling out players in the pre-season to get an understanding of what our best mix of players are.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a name like Haines thrown into the mix if his knee is right!

[Rob]

I think the answer to the question of "why doesn't someone put freos best team of paper?" is that we don't know what it is. But we are all experts ;) We have so many options now and it will take a bit of experimenting and feeling out players in the pre-season to get an understanding of what our best mix of players are.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a name like Haines thrown into the mix if his knee is right!

Yeah, it's going to be hard to predict the round 1 team because we haven't a clue of what the form is of the players. It wouldn't surprise me to see someone like Headland getting left out in favour of last years fringe blokes like Smith, Haines or Webster. Some other young blokes might step up in the pre season and demand selection as well. Time will tell i suppose.

[Footyboy]

This has been discussed before serveral months ago..

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135587

[Kapow!!!]

This has been discussed before serveral months ago..

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=135587

That was team of the decade, this is just our best team for Round 1 next year!

[fat wombat]

If we're talking about round 1, will Hayden be 100% fit or is he likely to spend round 1 running around in the WAFL after missing part of the pre-season? Hows his broken leg coming along?

[grassroots]

The year 2005 team is as good as it gets in Freo,s history. Players from past years wouldn't get a game this year. Maybe Kickett would get a game. This 2005 bunch of players would be the best, and will prove it this season.

[ImperialPurple]

You're prob right grassroots... although Modra kicking 70-odd from FF would be quite an attractive proposition...

[grassroots]

Modra was the best out of date player to be picked up by Freo. I reckon if he was a Melbourne lad, played for a team like Essendon he would be still playing. He was badly treated by the umps and was never protected, which shortened his career.

[Billy Hunt]

Watching the ball constantly sailing over his head broke Modra's heart. In the last 10 years delivery into the forward line has been at best, average.


http://www.freomongrels.com/

[grassroots]

I was going to state that fact. But I reckon that when a backline player is giving the OK by the ump to run a player to the ground when he takes a mark,
which happened more to Mods than any other forward.

[Reveler]

Here my best 22 and emergencies

F: Medhurst Polak Farmer
HF: Webster Pavlich M.Carr
C: Black Haselby Schammer
HB: Cook McPharlin Dessie
FB: Parker Hadrill Thornton

Ruck: Longmuir, Bell, J.Carr

Interchange: Sandilands, Schofield, Walker, McManus

I have put Webster and M.Carr on the HF line hoping they will keep the ball in the inside 50. To give medhurst and farmer the best chance of getting the ball.

I think the back line has a good mix of experience and youth.

[voodoo_86]

Here my best 22 and emergencies

F: Medhurst Polak Farmer
HF: Webster Pavlich M.Carr
C: Black Haselby Schammer
HB: Cook McPharlin Dessie
FB: Parker Hadrill Thornton

Ruck: Longmuir, Bell, J.Carr

Interchange: Sandilands, Schofield, Walker, McManus


I like the look of this team alot, although without analysing who you've left out its hard to comment more.

Personally, I think Hayden is easily in our best 22 and probably 18.

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

How come a lot you folk don't rate Cook and Schofield? and who out of you'r kids is doing the best? I have a liking for Dunn, reckon he has what it takes. Who else of the young ones?

[masai]

How come a lot you folk don't rate Cook and Schofield? and who out of you'r kids is doing the best? I have a liking for Dunn, reckon he has what it takes. Who else of the young ones?

Cook - still in the mix, but best 22?.

Schofield - gift to the 2005 Subi premiership team, will only get a senior game if there is a major run of injuries to our midfielders.

Dunn - showed promise, injured in 2004 so we expect him to take some steps upwards in 2005.

Murphy - should play a good number of senior games in 2005.

211 - will improve his around the ground work, after those "lazy" rovers learn to read his knocks.

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

Thanks Masia.

Well done on the 2003 draft Freo.

[synista]

well, i'll give it a shot :) :

F: Medhurst Polak Murphy
HF: M.Carr Pavlich Farmer
C: Hedland Haselby Schammer
HB: Black McPharlin Webster
FB: Hayden Hadrill Thornton

Ruck: Longmuir, Bell, J.Carr

Interchange: Sandilands, Schofield, Parker, Walker

EMG: Cook, Browne, McManus (I hate 2 do it :( ), Dunn, Woods

[Kenny_01]

well, i'll give it a shot :) :

F: Medhurst Polak Murphy
HF: M.Carr Pavlich Farmer
C: Hedland Haselby Schammer
HB: Black McPharlin Webster
FB: Hayden Hadrill Thornton

Ruck: Longmuir, Bell, J.Carr

Interchange: Sandilands, Schofield, Parker, Walker

EMG: Cook, Browne, McManus (I hate 2 do it :( ), Dunn, Woods

Same 22 as me, except I went with Dodd instead of Schofield for last spot, but could have raffled those 2 and Cook.

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

Schofield - gift to the 2005 Subi premiership team, will only get a senior game if there is a major run of injuries to our midfielders.

I don't understand. This is a guy who plays something like 25 games in the season, is in the best 22 of the reigning premiers, and is noted for his skills. And you're suggesting that he won't get a run in a team that came 9th and hasn't got one midfield player who can reliably deliver the ball into the forward line by foot.

It doesn't compute.

[masai]

I don't understand. This is a guy who plays something like 25 games in the season, is in the best 22 of the reigning premiers, and is noted for his skills. And you're suggesting that he won't get a run in a team that came 9th and hasn't got one midfield player who can reliably deliver the ball into the forward line by foot.

It doesn't compute.

From conversations with Port supporters, he was VERY lucky to be in the premiership team as his form had tailed off very badly.

He has been a very good player, but is slowing down. It comes down to a value judgement, do you give the youngun's a run to build for the future or do you go with Schoey who may be good for a season or two?. For example, keep Adrian Fletcher (still darn good) or cut to youngsters in 2002.

I see Schoey as a depth player and he is past his best. If he plays well in the practice games and shows he is better value than Dunn, Cook, McManus, Mundy, Headland etc, I may change my mind.

Where would we play him?, midfield - half forward?. He must displace someone as the addition of Baby Carr has already left one player homeless.

[carneagles]

From conversations with Port supporters, he was VERY lucky to be in the premiership team as his form had tailed off very badly. Yeah, but to paraphrase Mandy Rice Davies - they would say that, wouldn't they.

[Dr Ralph Dagg]

From conversations with Port supporters, he was VERY lucky to be in the premiership team as his form had tailed off very badly..
Granted his stats show he did tail off. But then look at our midfield. They weren't any better. And even on a good day they aren;t that skilled by foot.
He has been a very good player, but is slowing down. It comes down to a value judgement, do you give the youngun's a run to build for the future or do you go with Schoey who may be good for a season or two?
You go with Schoey. We are long past development mode. That's why we sacrificed 2004 draft picks. We have no young guns who slot in immediately. Dunn has played half a season of WAFL. Murphy is well performed at WAFL level. So is Brendan Fewster. I fact, Murphy would probably need Schofield's delivery.
Where would we play him?, midfield - half forward?. He must displace someone as the addition of Baby Carr has already left one player homeless.
Midfield giving lace out delivery to GHD and Pavlich.

[zero]

we give the position to the best performing guys, end of story. the advantage of having players like cook, mcmanus, dunn and murphy around the edges is that we can afford a few injuries and a few guys to drop off form and still go alright. id love to see dunn and murphy step up into the main squad this year.

F: Medhurst Polak Murphy
HF: M.Carr Pavlich Farmer
C: Hedland Haselby Schammer
HB: Black McPharlin Webster
FB: Hayden Hadrill Thornton

Ruck: Longmuir, Bell, J.Carr
Interchange: Sandilands, Schofield, Parker, Walker

thats a good side that could use a run of good form and good luck. we have the cattle for big things, we just need to put it together.

and IMHO you can never be out of development mode, you have to play your youngsters if their form warrants it. sure by getting carr for all our top picks it sets us back, but we have to keep working on the younger guys, and murphy and dunn could be the difference in 2 years time.

[|D_J^B_J|]

Here's mine:

B: Thornton Haddrill Parker
HB: Webster McPharlin Black
C: Headland Hasleby Schammer
HF: Medhurst Pavlich M.Carr
FF: Farmer Polak Sandilands
R: Longmuir Bell J.Carr
I: Cook McManus Walker Woods

Emergencies: Browne, Murphy, Schofield, Grover


No room for Grover or Schofield in our 22 IMO.

Woods deserves a spot ahead of Murphy at this stage and Browne would be extremely unlucky to miss out.