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In certain threads by an ignorant victorian fan, TESS, she/he spells out the SANFL as SAnFL trying to demean the comp and show a lack of respect thinking that the 'N' stands for the game being national like the AFL, but just wanted to point out that the 'N' stands for National as in the game or code of football is a national game, not the comp. I may stand corrected if anyone knows the true meanign but I think I am on the right track. :D
Sort of like the old TANFL down here.
Docker_Brat
2 Jan 2005, 23:13
In certain threads by an ignorant victorian fan, TESS, she/he spells out the SANFL as SAnFL trying to demean the comp and show a lack of respect thinking that the 'N' stands for the game being national like the AFL, but just wanted to point out that the 'N' stands for National as in the game or code of football is a national game, not the comp. I may stand corrected if anyone knows the true meanign but I think I am on the right track. :D
Correct.
I beleive it also had something to do with the affliation and abiding by the rules of the former controlling body of Aus Rules: the NFL.
The WAFL was also known as the WANFL for a brief time.
I equated the NFL with the UN and the VFL with the US. The latter realised that they can start to dictate their own rules and start running it their way.
Ignore the idiots who try to demean it, they just don't know their footy history. It's more a case of the SANFL not bothering to change it back to the SAFL as it has been known as the SANFL for so long now there is no point changing. We have given up so much of our history to the winners of the war as it is, why give up any more?
RussellEbertHandball
3 Jan 2005, 00:38
All due to the The Australasian Football Council (NZ had a delegate for many years) changing its name to Australian National Football Council in 1927. SA, Qld and Canberra leagues put the word National into their name. In 1928 Tassie follows and in 1932 WA join in. See the following link for further info.
http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/1927_to_1932.htm
All due to the The Australasian Football Council changing its name to Australian National Football Council in 1927. SA, Qld and Canberra leagues put the word National into their name. In 1928 Tassie follows and in 1932 WA join in. See the following link for further info.
http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/1927_to_1932.htm
Good link and thanks for that :)
Yeah Sinn, football here was known as TANFL from 1928-85 and TFL from 1879-1927, then TFL Statewide League 1986-2000.
Seems like the tool who called it the SAnFL, is a typical AFL badwagoner, probably didn't even know football existed until the AFL started - and there's plenty of those d*ckheads about. :rolleyes:
For the record, I think it's good that the SANFL have stuck with tradition there, we didn't here, and look at the sh*t we are currently in.
Keep australian rules strong lads. :)
Unley Legend
4 Jan 2005, 10:26
The same sort of people call the game AFL. "He quit basketball to play AFL" and so on. It ********s me. He quit basketball to play Australian Rules football!
Magpiespower
4 Jan 2005, 11:37
The same sort of people call the game AFL. "He quit basketball to play AFL" and so on. It ********s me. He quit basketball to play Australian Rules football!
You get that a lot in NSW/ACT, probably up in QLD as well. Australian Rules Football is a bit of a mouthful in the age of the media bite.
Even then, the code is being referred to as Australian Football more often than not with 'Rules' going the way of the drop-kick.
I face this issue all the time with worldfootynews.com. Should I call it Australian Rules Football, or Australian Football (or any of the other combinations). Since players from other countries read it, what I choose MAY have a tiny influence on people.
I agree with all the posts about the way footy history is being re-written by the winners - I can get quite worked up over it (so I make a point of mentioning history on World Footy News too). But these days I suspect the SANFL does cause plenty of confusion for people by not dropping the N.
The "N" does stand for national .Before the AFL therewas a body the "NFLA" or similar . It was the national body overseeing the rules etc of the state bodies . This was then contained in the titles as SANFL and the WANFL etc .
With the advent of the AFL this LEAGUE took over the role of the national body .
I still believe there is a place for the national body to focus on football in general and let the AFL alone to govern it's league .The AFL is a little out of touch with community football and laws about the ball hitting the roof of TD and blood tranfusions etc don't have a place in community football whereas things like code of conduct and mercy rule do .
littleduck
9 Jan 2005, 18:31
SANFL is an awful name because it gives people awful thoughts of that un-Australian & boring Amercian sport of NFL.
What about AFLSA or something?
South Australians . LD is saying the SANFL is an awful name .
LD I think you've just put back the RL cause in SA into the defunct box .
Because crow-eaters hate people who put down their beloved icons and the SANFL goes back past the VFL to rival the VFA . If the SANFL had suceded over the VFA we might all be playing "South Australian Rules"
littleduck
9 Jan 2005, 18:55
South Australians . LD is saying the SANFL is an awful name . Yes, due to the American NFL images that spring to mind.
LD I think you've just put back the RL cause in SA into the defunct box . Doesnt worry me, SA is far too AFL for RL to worry about IMO. RL can live without Adelaide.
Because crow-eaters hate people who put down their beloved icons and the SANFL goes back past the VFL to rival the VFA . If the SANFL had suceded over the VFA we might all be playing "South Australian Rules" God Save the Queen, coz nothing could save the rest of us if that had happened!! :p
Adelaide Hawk
9 Jan 2005, 19:01
crow-eaters hate people who put down their beloved icons and the SANFL goes back past the VFL to rival the VFA .
First season of VFL was 1897, first season of SANFL was 1907.
Adelaide Hawk
9 Jan 2005, 19:05
SANFL is an awful name because it gives people awful thoughts of that un-Australian & boring Amercian sport of NFL.
What about AFLSA or something?
Oh yeah, because when they named the league SANFL they were indeed thinking about American sport. :rolleyes:
AFLSA? For a start, the SANFL clubs aren't affiliated with the AFL, so that would be stupid.
You guys should be congratulated, I've never read as much dribble as I have in this thread, talk about people who have absolutely no idea :rolleyes:
SANFL is an awful name because it gives people awful thoughts of that un-Australian & boring Amercian sport of NFL.
What about AFLSA or something?
AFLSA is offensive.
Paralowiepower
9 Jan 2005, 19:31
AFLSA is offensive.
I agree, kids play Australian Rules not AFL. Wayne Jackson has alot to answer for.
SANFL is an awful name because it gives people awful thoughts of that un-Australian & boring Amercian sport of NFL.
What about AFLSA or something?
:rolleyes: you couldnt be more wrong...
and im not touching that last point, its ridiculous!!!!
also, RL can stay where it is!!! it was tried here for some reason and didnt work out!!!
First season of VFL was 1897, first season of SANFL was 1907.
wasnt the first season in 1877 (as the safl i think??)and the first season as the SANFL in 1897, that is what the website listed it as??? can anyone else clariy this?
AFL South Australia? Never.
Queensland, Northern Territory, NSW/ACT and Tasmania are under the AFL banner because they need to be under their umbrella. The SANFL gets enough money from crowd numbers, club revenue/fees, AAMI Stadium membership and from the two AFL clubs to not need that support.
As for your comments cos789, we hate the fact that you put down our icons because you seem to think that no-one outside your state should ever be called 'legend'. You believe that honour is reserved for your precious Victorian icons only. Barrie Robran, Michael Aish, Stephen Michael... all given the thumb of the nose by Victoria because they didn't switch leagues.
And if it makes any of you feel better, if and when the NT joins up the 'N' will stand for 'Northern'. Maybe that will help you breathe easier.
BTW Jimmy, the league was called the SAFA back then. Don't know when they changed to SAFL though.
BTW Jimmy, the league was called the SAFA back then. Don't know when they changed to SAFL though.
cheers, i knew it was something else. Maybe it was the SAFA right thru until 1897 when it became the SANFL???
Nah... they changed it to SAFL sometime before the 1950's.
Was the league called the SANFU at one stage? I lived with a former central player who had a certificate with that written on it somewhere.
gadj1976
10 Jan 2005, 07:35
You get that a lot in NSW/ACT, probably up in QLD as well. Australian Rules Football is a bit of a mouthful in the age of the media bite.
Even then, the code is being referred to as Australian Football more often than not with 'Rules' going the way of the drop-kick.
Yep, I played "AFL" according to counterparts at work who asked me "do you play AFL" not, do you play aussie rules.
Port Adelaide 1870
10 Jan 2005, 09:17
Nah... they changed it to SAFL sometime before the 1950's.
Formed in 1877 as the SAFA , prior to the VFA.
electorate football introduced in 1897, however, didnt really take effect until 1899.
changed name to SAFL in 1907
Changed name to current SANFL in 1927
regards
PA1870
As for your comments cos789, we hate the fact that you put down our icons because you seem to think that no-one outside your state should ever be called 'legend'. You believe that honour is reserved for your precious Victorian icons only. Barrie Robran, Michael Aish, Stephen Michael... all given the thumb of the nose by Victoria because they didn't switch leagues.
raboyle, I have to stick up for cos789 here - I don't think they were bagging SA, and aren't they a Sandgroper anyway? The message you're sending is an appropriate response to a lot of what gets written on BF, just not in this case, I think.
raboyle
10 Jan 2005, 17:10
All right... my bad.
I just get so tired of these people who get on our case for any dumb-f#@* reason they can.
But you cannot say that his post was not a shot at us.
Formed in 1877 as the SAFA , prior to the VFA.
electorate football introduced in 1897, however, didnt really take effect until 1899.
changed name to SAFL in 1907
Changed name to current SANFL in 1927
regards
PA1870
that was what i was after!!! :)
As for your comments cos789, we hate the fact that you put down our icon.
Read the post and you'll see I was saying the exact opposite . I was reporting the fact that LD was putting down the SANFL and no respect for the history or importance of the SANFL which origin rivals Victoria .
raboyle
11 Jan 2005, 14:32
Apologies for jumping to conclusions cos.
Bentleigh
12 Jan 2005, 18:50
Formed in 1877 as the SAFA , prior to the VFA.
electorate football introduced in 1897, however, didnt really take effect until 1899.
changed name to SAFL in 1907
Changed name to current SANFL in 1927
regards
PA1870
1877: Victorian Football Association (VFA) established with eight senior clubs. First premiers - Carlton. South Australian Football Association (SAFA) formed, also with eight senior clubs. Inaugural premiership won by South Adelaide.
However, There was a VFL grand final held in 1858, with the first Victorian Premiers being crowned in 1858.
http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/images/1958VFLGFbrawl.jpg
Moments after the start of the 1958 VFL grand final between Collingwood and Melbourne, players from both sides suddenly remembered just how much they disliked each other.
Bentleigh
12 Jan 2005, 19:12
btw -
SAFA Premiership Ladder - Season 1877
Goals
P W L D For Ag.
South Adelaide 13 10 1 2 23 1
Victoria Club 14 10 1 3 30 5
Adelaide 16 10 3 3 31 13
Port Adelaide 15 9 4 2 23 13
Woodville 16 5 9 2 14 18
South Park 17 5 10 2 16 21
Kensington 15 3 10 2 12 36
Bankers 15 0 15 0 4 31
:cool:
finders
12 Jan 2005, 19:37
First season of VFL was 1897, first season of SANFL was 1907.
The SAFA and the Victorian Football Association were both formed in 1877 the VFA in May and the SAFA a few months later so the oldest and first league/association was and is still the VFA/nowVFL ALL the current Victorian AFL clubs originated at sometime in the VFA.
Leaping Lindner
12 Jan 2005, 20:36
btw -
SAFA Premiership Ladder - Season 1877
Goals
P W L D For Ag.
South Adelaide 13 10 1 2 23 1
Victoria Club 14 10 1 3 30 5
Adelaide 16 10 3 3 31 13
Port Adelaide 15 9 4 2 23 13
Woodville 16 5 9 2 14 18
South Park 17 5 10 2 16 21
Kensington 15 3 10 2 12 36
Bankers 15 0 15 0 4 31
:cool:
Notice that they came second ;)
finders
12 Jan 2005, 20:39
The first "inter colonial " match was played in 1879
'http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/interstate_football_is_born.htm
This was even more pronouncedly the case in the sphere of representative intercolonial football, which got underway in Melbourne on 1 July 1879 when a Victorian combination crushed the visiting South Australians by 7 goals to 0.
Between 1879 and 1881, Victoria met South Australia twice per season, winning all six encounters easily, and accumulating an aggregate tally of 32 goals to just 5, whereupon it was decided to suspend the contests until the South Australians could demonstrate an ability to compete. In 1890, perhaps persuaded by Norwood's and Port Adelaide's successes in the champions of Australia arena, the Victorians consented to a resumption of 'hostilities' - and, on 5 July 1890 in Melbourne, proceeded to annihilate South Australia yet again, this time by 13 goals to 6. Clearly the substantial discrepancy in standard still existed.
Or did it? Five days later, again in Melbourne, the same two teams met for a second time, and on this occasion it was the South Australians who emerged victorious, kicking 6 goals to their opponents' 4. Perhaps intercolonial football had a future after all, an impression that was reinforced twelve months later when a two match series in Adelaide was shared, and again in 1892 when the only game between the colonies for the year saw the Victorians eke out an unconvincing 2 goal win in Melbourne. Victoria won again by 2 goals in 1893, this time in Adelaide, but in 1894 the concept of representative intercolonial football was once more called into question as the Vics registered an all time record win in front of their home crowd, amassing no fewer than 14 goals, a phenomenal tally for the time, to South Australia's none. With Victoria now leading the series by 11 wins to 2, and having scored 88 goals to 37 (equivalent to a percentage of either 237.8 or 70.4, depending on which side of the border you reside), matches between the two colonies again fell into abeyance.
Bentleigh
12 Jan 2005, 21:02
Notice that they came second ;)
Yep. :D
I also noticed Victoria finshed above Adelaide & Port Adelaide in the South Australian Football League :p
Leaping Lindner
12 Jan 2005, 22:04
Yep. :D
I also noticed Victoria finshed above Adelaide & Port Adelaide in the South Australian Football League :p
:D
North would have finished above them, but for the fact that they didn't exist at the time.
Bentleigh
12 Jan 2005, 22:49
:D
North would have finished above them, but for the fact that they didn't exist at the time.
excuses :rolleyes:
:p
Port Adelaide 1870
14 Jan 2005, 14:53
The SAFA and the Victorian Football Association were both formed in 1877 the VFA in May and the SAFA a few months later so the oldest and first league/association was and is still the VFA/nowVFL ALL the current Victorian AFL clubs originated at sometime in the VFA.
Information incorrect...The SAFA was formed prior to the VFA....
The VFA was formed 3 weeks after the SAFA...making the SANFL the oldest first class league in Australia...
regards
PA1870
McAlmanac
14 Jan 2005, 19:04
btw -
SAFA Premiership Ladder - Season 1877
Goals
P W L D For Ag.
South Adelaide 13 10 1 2 23 1
Victoria Club 14 10 1 3 30 5
Adelaide 16 10 3 3 31 13
Port Adelaide 15 9 4 2 23 13
Woodville 16 5 9 2 14 18
South Park 17 5 10 2 16 21
Kensington 15 3 10 2 12 36
Bankers 15 0 15 0 4 31
Another 5 win season for the Peckers. :(
finders
14 Jan 2005, 19:17
Information incorrect...The SAFA was formed prior to the VFA....
The VFA was formed 3 weeks after the SAFA...making the SANFL the oldest first class league in Australia...
regards
PA1870
Proof please!
Leaping Lindner
14 Jan 2005, 22:39
Another 5 win season for the Peckers. :(
But at least you didn't come last!
Also I wonder (considering where they finished) if the team Bankers was in fact rhyming slang. :p
McAlmanac
15 Jan 2005, 09:52
Also I wonder (considering where they finished) if the team Bankers was in fact rhyming slang. :pYou'll notice there's no Norwood... ;)