Leadership Group

[Dogga]

Not much has been said during the pre-season re the on-field leadership positions. Given, Roo will have the captaincy as long as he wants it, but should the club be reviewing his deputies for season 2005? Hart, McLeod & Goodwin have all had either injury or form problems over the last 2 years and are not getting any younger. Is the time right to release these guys to concentrate solely on footy and usher in the next generation of leaders? Or should we wait until 2006 and give potential leaders such as McGregor, Reilly & Hentschel another year biding their time under the current leadership group?

[No 1 Draft Pick]

Not much has been said during the pre-season re the on-field leadership positions. Given, Roo will have the captaincy as long as he wants it, but should the club be reviewing his deputies for season 2005? Hart, McLeod & Goodwin have all had either injury or form problems over the last 2 years and are not getting any younger. Is the time right to release these guys to concentrate solely on footy and usher in the next generation of leaders? Or should we wait until 2006 and give potential leaders such as McGregor, Reilly & Hentschel another year biding their time under the current leadership group?


Good point. Roo certainly captain for the next 2-3 years but it must be about time to bring in some new blood as deputies (if not in 2005 then 2006 at the VERY LATEST).

Mc Leans new role in terms of identifying future leaders coupled with the lack of current standout candidates may mean they wait for the 2006 season and then decide who of Thompson/Reilly/Mc Gregor/Rutten etc should be Deputies

If anyone was to drop out of the leadership group for 2005 it would be Hart IMO due to age and injury concerns. That would leave Goodwin and Mc Leod as pretty capable deputies. Edwards could be promoted into the leadership group but thats probably unlikely if they are going with younger Deputy options in 2006

[Stiffy_18]

Not much has been said during the pre-season re the on-field leadership positions. Given, Roo will have the captaincy as long as he wants it, but should the club be reviewing his deputies for season 2005? Hart, McLeod & Goodwin have all had either injury or form problems over the last 2 years and are not getting any younger. Is the time right to release these guys to concentrate solely on footy and usher in the next generation of leaders? Or should we wait until 2006 and give potential leaders such as McGregor, Reilly & Hentschel another year biding their time under the current leadership group?
Exceptional point :)

Personally I would get McGregor into the leadership group for season 2005. As you said obviously Roo has the captaincy for as long as he wants it. Not sure if it would be a positive move to give McLeod, Goodwin and Hart a flick from the official leadership group. While I would have given McLeod the flick from the LG at the end fo the year (and said so a number of times) I think his "form" at the training tack has been exceptional so far and from all reports he really has led by example on the track.

AFC finds itself in a very interesting position.

[Stinger...]

I agree Stiffy id get Kenny into the leadership group as well and as far as a title goes, id put Brent Reilly in there as well! Macca and Goody shouldnt need a title to lead from the front as far as im concerned...

[Stiffy_18]

I agree Stiffy id get Kenny into the leadership group as well and as far as a title goes, id put Brent Reilly in there as well! Macca and Goody shouldnt need a title to lead from the front as far as im concerned...
Not sure about Reilly. While he is likely yo be a leader fo the club down the track, I would rather he really cement his spot in the 18 and get more experience under his belt before you give him a burden of being part of the leadership group.

If Stinger was still around I would be looking to have both him and McGregor in there but at the moment I think Kenny is the only one in the right age group that is ready to be named as a leader. Reilly is still a bit too young and inexperienced IMHO.

[Stinger...]

Not sure about Reilly. While he is likely yo be a leader fo the club down the track, I would rather he really cement his spot in the 18 and get more experience under his belt before you give him a burden of being part of the leadership group.

If Stinger was still around I would be looking to have both him and McGregor in there but at the moment I think Kenny is the only one in the right age group that is ready to be named as a leader. Reilly is still a bit too young and inexperienced IMHO.


and its a fair opinion as well, and one which i would agree with! however making Reilly say, Deputy Vice Captain (which means u take home the captains and vice captains jocks and wash them :) or do with them whatever floats your boat! ) can give him something more to aim for within the club. I dont think he is going to have too much trouble cementing his spot in our best 18, and he has a good core group of senior players to learn from so to be around them as much as possible would be good experience for him IMO.

We shall agree to disagree (because i do half agree that he could be to young for such a responsibility) :)

I think for his age he is mature (outsider looking in of course...with teamates he's probably a ********** stirring little bugger :) )

[Wayne's-World]

Not sure about Reilly. While he is likely yo be a leader fo the club down the track, I would rather he really cement his spot in the 18 and get more experience under his belt before you give him a burden of being part of the leadership group.

If Stinger was still around I would be looking to have both him and McGregor in there but at the moment I think Kenny is the only one in the right age group that is ready to be named as a leader. Reilly is still a bit too young and inexperienced IMHO.
Based on the training I saw he looks a much more mature player this year - is he too young - how old was kernaghan when appointed Carlton Capt - no I would put him in the leadership group on one proviso

1. That he demonstrates leadership qualities off the field and commands respect from team mates - something we can't assess ;)

[macca23]

Based on the training I saw he looks a much more mature player this year - is he too young - how old was kernaghan when appointed Carlton Capt - no I would put him in the leadership group on one proviso

1. That he demonstrates leadership qualities off the field and commands respect from team mates - something we can't assess ;)

Well said WW. Given that proviso, I think it's a good idea.

We don't have many obvious choices on the way up suitable for the leadership group, apart from McGregor and Reilly IMO.

However I'd probably be inclined to leave it as is for 2005, to see if any other possibilities emerge.

[Kane McGoodwin]

Exceptional point :)

Personally I would get McGregor into the leadership group for season 2005. As you said obviously Roo has the captaincy for as long as he wants it. Not sure if it would be a positive move to give McLeod, Goodwin and Hart a flick from the official leadership group. While I would have given McLeod the flick from the LG at the end fo the year (and said so a number of times) I think his "form" at the training tack has been exceptional so far and from all reports he really has led by example on the track.

AFC finds itself in a very interesting position.
Was thinking exactly along the same lines Stiffy when I read Dogga's post.

At least 1 year too early for the likes of Reilly & Hentschel, as IMO they need to step up to another level 1st.

[Mad Dog]

I'd be appointing Benny and Macca as VCs.......and then telling everyone else that they are all DVCs...... :p

I've got the feeling that NC wants to identify a smaller "official" leadership group....to push this notion of "we are all accountable for performance".

Giving arbitrary titles to 5 players probably detracts from where he is trying to take the group IMO. Also he may not want to identify Reillys and KMacs etc because he wants to see what this new group does in the next 12 months.

So one more year of Roo/Macca/Hart I think

[Stiffy_18]

So one more year of Roo/Macca/Hart I think
And give Goodwin the flick????? :confused:

[dogs105]

If someone were to be dropped from the V/C group, Michael Doughty should step up.

[Mad Dog]

And give Goodwin the flick????? :confused:
hmmm - maybe....or maybe not..... :confused: .....I just think the office bearing group needs to be smaller so that the youngsters can see that THEY need to fill the breech...not just look to the same old faces to take responsibility

[Stiffy_18]

Based on the training I saw he looks a much more mature player this year - is he too young - how old was kernaghan when appointed Carlton Capt - no I would put him in the leadership group on one proviso

1. That he demonstrates leadership qualities off the field and commands respect from team mates - something we can't assess ;)
Wasn't Kernahan already a star when he was given the captaincy??????

Look at the season Drew Petrie had in his first year as part of the leadership group.

Reilly needs to rise to another level before he is given the privilege. You don't give out leadership positions to just anyone. He needs to be an established player before we go down that track. While he finished last year very well he is still not one of those players that will keep their spot in the side even if they are struggling for form (eg McLeod, Goodwin or even Burton)

I am all for giving Reilly the gig in a year or two if he comes along as expected but IMHO it is too early to give him that responsibility this year.

[outback jack]

doughty is lucky to be on the list. Kenny is the one he should be captain after this year so roo can give him one or two yrs guidance. We should have a leadership group anyway, that should take a lot of the responsibilities off the captain which is too much is reliant on roo at the moment.

Dump macca and harty they aren’t even natural leaders, bring in McGregor and Hudson for the 'official roles'. But also widen the leadership group to about ten or so by bringing in Reilly and thompson, the group can also have people who were had ex-official roles like harty and macca. Yep sounds good!

[Mad Dog]

doughty is lucky to be on the list. Kenny is the one he should be captain after this year so roo can give him one or two yrs guidance. We should have a leadership group anyway, that should take a lot of the responsibilities off the captain which is too much is reliant on roo at the moment.

Dump macca and harty they aren’t even natural leaders, bring in McGregor and Hudson for the 'official roles'. But also widen the leadership group to about ten or so by bringing in Reilly and thompson, the group can also have people who were had ex-official roles like harty and macca. Yep sounds good!
huh ??

I think Roo needs to be captain for longer than this year - and will be.

Overall I think this is a ******** post JDI....you are letting your guard down and your grammar pattern is starting to come thru

[outback jack]

Thats nice you can check my grammar for me. Anyway, roo will only be there for 2 maybe three years then its over, definitely a max of two yrs in the midfield. So do you want him to be captain until he retires??? The next captain should have atleast one year under him, it makes sense. And there should be a new system as the club doesn’t exactly have leaders shouting out to be captain does it?

[SpringChoke]

If someone were to be dropped from the V/C group, Michael Doughty should step up.

Surely you are joking?? I like my captain to be aggressive, quite frankly none of Goodwin, Hart or McLeod fit the bill. Due to our lack of options, I would leave it as is for this year and hope Stiffy and Thomson show leadership qualities for 2006.

[Capitalist]

since there seems to be this lack of leadership at the crows I'll nominate to be the off field Captain - on match day I can sit on the side lines and yell really loud !! also I can run the water and do areal good job to inspire the players !!!

[Kane McGoodwin]

Dump macca and harty they aren’t even natural leaders, bring in McGregor and Hudson for the 'official roles'. But also widen the leadership group to about ten or so by bringing in Reilly and thompson, the group can also have people who were had ex-official roles like harty and macca. Yep sounds good!
Unless it's mutual between Macca & AFC, I would not look at dropping him from the leadership group when he looks primed for a stellar year, as it could have a negative impact on 1 of our best matchwinners.

Hart has natural leadership qualities to me - the problem is that he has been injured.

How could we bring in Hudson to the leadership when he isn't even guaranteed to get a game?

[Wayne's-World]

Wasn't Kernahan already a star when he was given the captaincy??????

Look at the season Drew Petrie had in his first year as part of the leadership group.

Reilly needs to rise to another level before he is given the privilege. You don't give out leadership positions to just anyone. He needs to be an established player before we go down that track. While he finished last year very well he is still not one of those players that will keep their spot in the side even if they are struggling for form (eg McLeod, Goodwin or even Burton)

I thought Kernaghan was in his second maybe third year with the club - hardly much time to rise to "star" status - however in your defence he had played over 100 games with Glenelg b4 crossing so was reasonably experienced.

With Reilly, if he exhibits leadership qualities why hold him back :confused: It may inspire him to a higher level of performance with the extra responsibilities??

[macca23]

I thought Kernaghan was in his second maybe third year with the club - hardly much time to rise to "star" status - however in your defence he had played over 100 games with Glenelg b4 crossing so was reasonably experienced.

With Reilly, if he exhibits leadership qualities why hold him back :confused: It may inspire him to a higher level of performance with the extra responsibilities??

Correct. Kernahan became captain of Carlton at age 23, in only his 2nd year with them. See below:

Stephen Kernahan (Glenelg/Carlton)
1/9/1963
Inducted: 2001
Champion centre half-forward and premiership captain for Carlton. Hold records for most games as VFL/AFL captain (226).
Playing career: 1981-1997 (Glen 1981-1985, Carl 1986-1997)
Games: 386 (Glenelg 136, Carl 251) Goals: 1036 (Glenelg 298, Carl 738)
Player honors: Carl best and fairest 1987, 1989, 1992; Carl leading goalkicker 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996; Carl captain 1987-1997; Carl premierships 1987, 1995; All-Australian 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1994.

[Wayne's-World]

Correct. Kernahan became captain of Carlton at age 23, in only his 2nd year with them. See below:

Stephen Kernahan (Glenelg/Carlton)
1/9/1963
Inducted: 2001
Champion centre half-forward and premiership captain for Carlton. Hold records for most games as VFL/AFL captain (226).
Playing career: 1981-1997 (Glen 1981-1985, Carl 1986-1997)
Games: 386 (Glenelg 136, Carl 251) Goals: 1036 (Glenelg 298, Carl 738)
Player honors: Carl best and fairest 1987, 1989, 1992; Carl leading goalkicker 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996; Carl captain 1987-1997; Carl premierships 1987, 1995; All-Australian 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1992, 1994.
Started AFL as a 23 year old - today he would be classed by some of us as too old and not going to give us 10 year service favouring instead to go fo an 18 year old - just being mischevious :p :p

[Capitalist]

I really dont think we need to change the leadership group at all this year
but potentially next year I would elevate Rutten and Mcgregor to the V/c (assuming rutten takes the step up everyone expects him), with Hentchel as Captian IMO he is a player that has the spark to get a team going like the Roo has when everything seems to be heading the way of the dodo.

Rielly could also be interchanged with Mcgregor as V/C dependant on the prospects of him actually staying in adealide

[McLeod23]

McGregor, Reilly, Johncock, Rutten, and Thompson all have the attributes to be part of the Leadership Group in the future, but apart from Kenny, none of them are ready yet.

[SpringChoke]

McGregor, Reilly, Johncock, Rutten, and Thompson all have the attributes to be part of the Leadership Group in the future, but apart from Kenny, none of them are ready yet.

Thompson or McGregor will be our next captain with Stiffy Johncock in the leadership group.