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Bentleigh
8 Jan 2005, 13:51
Does Punter deserve to be uttered in the same breath as Sachin and Lara as the greatest batsman of the modern era?
Ricky T Ponting (Australia)
Innings:
138
Aggregate:
6657
High Score:
257
Average:
55.48
Sachin R Tendulkar (India)
Innings:
193
Aggregate:
9879
High Score:
248*
Average:
57.44
Brian C Lara (West Indies)
Innings:
197
Aggregate:
10094
High Score:
400*
Average:
52.85
(stats - ttp://www.howstat.com.au)
Bentleigh
8 Jan 2005, 13:58
Couple others which deserve a mention:
Rahul S Dravid (India)
Innings:
146
Aggregate:
7363
High Score:
270
Average:
57.52
Matthew L Hayden (Australia)
Innings:
112
Aggregate:
5563
High Score:
380
Average:
54.54
Jacques H Kallis (South Africa)
Innings:
143
Aggregate:
6656
High Score:
189*
Average:
55.47
Gilchrist, Adam C (Australia) *
Innings:
94
Aggregate:
4109
High Score:
204*
Average:
52.68
* Gilchrist has a scoring/strike rate of 82.36. Ponting: 58.19, Lara 59.97, Dravid 41.66, Kallis 42.34, Hayden 62.63 . Sehwag, who averages less than Gilly has a scoring rate of Scoring Rate 72.43.
dan warna
8 Jan 2005, 14:04
I would say two issues come to mind.
1. we don't get to bitch smack zimmers and bangers as much as other nations.
2. the Aussie batsmen don't have to face the aussie bowlers!
also I think the aussies are far more proffessional and fitter than some other players. (lara being an exception), which means our players get more runs from fast singles, don't run each other out as much, and don't tire after scoring 60 or 70 like some bplayers from some countries.
hard to say.
I would rate punter as a very very good player, and will be remembered as an aussie legend, but Lara and Slashin stand out because they are the best in their nation and have a aura around them (similar to Gilchrist).
I think Punter will come into his own, and be recognised as the star he is in the next few years.
superstar
8 Jan 2005, 14:18
Excellent player.
I rate Gilchrist higher than him, but he's a superb #3 batsman. I think the most underrated batsman of this generation is Dravid. Thus I would rate Ponting as the 5th best batsman playing today, behind those two, Tendulker and Lara.
Given he's only 30 he could well surpass some of those players before his career is out. His ability to turn 50s into big scores is one of his most impressive features. Once he gets going, he generally makes a big one (same as Langer).
Bentleigh
8 Jan 2005, 15:06
Excellent player.... he's a superb #3 batsman.
Ponting has now scored 6,653 runs at an average of 55.48 with fourteen of his twenty one centuries being scored when batting at number three at the excellent average of 64.55.
Batting Performances for 2 Years to 06/01/2005 -
Player Inns NO 50s 100s HS Aggr Avg
1 R T Ponting (AUS) 37 6 9 7 257 2393 77.19
2 R S Dravid (IND) 28 5 7 4 270 1749 76.04
3 J H Kallis (SAF) 36 5 9 8 177 2170 70.00
4 B C Lara (WIN) 40 2 9 8 400 2522 66.37
5 V Sehwag (IND) 29 1 4 5 309 1663 59.39
6 M L Hayden (AUS) 48 6 9 8 380 2467 58.74
7 A J Strauss (ENG) 20 2 4 4 137 1055 58.61
8 G P Thorpe (ENG) 33 8 7 5 124 1432 57.28
9 S R Tendulkar (IND) 24 5 3 3 248 1068 56.21
10 D R Martyn (AUS) 34 3 8 6 161 1712 55.23[
I think the most underrated batsman of this generation is Dravid. Thus I would rate Ponting as the 5th best batsman playing today, behind those two, Tendulker and Lara.
'The Wall' is my favorite non-Aussie player. I rate him as one of the greatest of all time.
Stafford678
8 Jan 2005, 15:10
id rate tendulka and lara the better batsmen becuase they usualy stand up when it counts and its just the ease at which they get the runs
Does Punter deserve to be uttered in the same breath as Sachin and Lara as the greatest batsman of the modern era?
Ricky T Ponting (Australia)
Innings:
138
Aggregate:
6657
High Score:
257
Average:
55.48
Sachin R Tendulkar (India)
Innings:
193
Aggregate:
9879
High Score:
248*
Average:
57.44
Brian C Lara (West Indies)
Innings:
197
Aggregate:
10094
High Score:
400*
Average:
52.85
(stats - ttp://www.howstat.com.au)
Quick answer.....NO
Does Punter deserve to be uttered in the same breath as Sachin and Lara as the greatest batsman of the modern era?
Ricky T Ponting (Australia)
Innings:
138
Aggregate:
6657
High Score:
257
Average:
55.48
Sachin R Tendulkar (India)
Innings:
193
Aggregate:
9879
High Score:
248*
Average:
57.44
Brian C Lara (West Indies)
Innings:
197
Aggregate:
10094
High Score:
400*
Average:
52.85
(stats - ttp://www.howstat.com.au)
Interesting question.
One big issue for me is despite the fact that we can look at averages, Lara and Sachin have made 50% more runs (aggregate). Therefore i would say Punter is certainly on the right track to being mentioned in the same breath. Another 2-3 years like the last 2 and he would be a certainty.
mulhollanddrive
8 Jan 2005, 18:26
Tendulkar and Lara have taken bowling attacks apart for about 10 years, Ponting has been very steading for a while, but no way near the brilliance of the two above.
Can someone tell me what the ages of the other batsmen are?
I know Punter is 30, but how much older are Lara and Tendulkar?
Bentleigh
8 Jan 2005, 18:41
Interesting question.
One big issue for me is despite the fact that we can look at averages, Lara and Sachin have made 50% more runs (aggregate). Therefore i would say Punter is certainly on the right track to being mentioned in the same breath. Another 2-3 years like the last 2 and he would be a certainty.
Indeed, but as you say he hasn't played as many Innings due to being younger. Punter is over average over 55, much better than Lara and just behind two of the greatest ever in Dravid and Sachin.
Being only 30 and averaging the highest in the world in the last 2 years (77.19) you'd have to think the his numbers would only rise.
Can someone tell me what the ages of the other batsmen are?
I know Punter is 30, but how much older are Lara and Tendulkar?
Name: Ponting, Ricky T (Australia)
Born: 19/12/1974
Matches: 85 (1995-)
Name: Tendulkar, Sachin R (India)
Born: 24/04/1973
Matches: 120 (1989-)
Name: Lara, Brian C (West Indies)
Born: 02/05/1969
Matches: 112 (1990-)
Black Thunder
8 Jan 2005, 18:49
He's a great player (as are all mentioned), but i think to determine a modern day players worth (i.e. since the event of full-time proffesionalism and big time sponsorships. probably around 1995ish) you could probably carve 10-15% from their average to get a more approriate view compared to the greats of other eras.
1. Wickets today are just roads.
2. Outfields are like lightning.
3. Pitches are covered (this has been happening for longer than 10 years though)
4. Standard of bowlers is a bit lower than it's been in the past (I think not as much as some people would have you believe)
5. One-day cricket has made more people want to be batsmen rather than bowlers. Therefore, the talent is now more with the batsmen rather than bowlers (I believe in 90% of cases, if a player is a talented cricketer he'll be good at both bowling or batting, it's just a matter of what he decides to take up in his early teen years)
So basically, it's a much easier job today being a batsmen than it has in the past. And really, there's currently about a dozen batsmen doing the rounds who are averaging over 50 - there would've never been close to that before (and this is even taking into account the fact we've got more test nations and players than there has been in the past).
The other is the amount of double tons being scored. In 2004, the 10th highest score was 231 (or around that mark). Can't remember who scored it. Back in the old days, you could go through an entire calendar year without a 200 even being scored.
carlton rule
8 Jan 2005, 19:59
I would say two issues come to mind.
1. we don't get to bitch smack zimmers and bangers as much as other nations.
2. the Aussie batsmen don't have to face the aussie bowlers!
also I think the aussies are far more proffessional and fitter than some other players. (lara being an exception), which means our players get more runs from fast singles, don't run each other out as much, and don't tire after scoring 60 or 70 like some bplayers from some countries.
hard to say.
I would rate punter as a very very good player, and will be remembered as an aussie legend, but Lara and Slashin stand out because they are the best in their nation and have a aura around them (similar to Gilchrist).
I think Punter will come into his own, and be recognised as the star he is in the next few years.
ponting is allready recognized as a star :) :rolleyes: :cool:
Bentleigh
16 Aug 2005, 20:25
ponting is allready recognized as a star :) :rolleyes: :cool:
Superstar.
id rate tendulka and lara the better batsmen becuase they usualy stand up when it counts and its just the ease at which they get the runs
Tendulkar...not recently.
SorryIHammerChicken
16 Aug 2005, 21:16
Superstar.
Geez, you weren't saying that 2 weeks ago when he was struggling for runs like the rest of his team. But he's done well and captained well in the last 2 days of the Test.
Bentleigh
16 Aug 2005, 21:19
Geez, you weren't saying that 2 weeks ago
What was I saying 2 weeks ago?
crownie
16 Aug 2005, 21:25
i rate Tendulkar as the better of the 3.
Lara at his peak is better to watch than anyone but the way he bats always gives teams a sniff to get him out.
I think at the end of his carrer Ponting does deserve to be recognized as one of Australia's great batsman.
Rhombus
16 Aug 2005, 21:26
Has Tendulkar ever got runs when it counted?
ponting underatted? dreaming! Australias best batsman for the last 5 years!
and tendulkar has always made runs when it counted, if he hasnt how could he have scored over 10000 runs and made 30+ tons? :confused:
Bentleigh
4 Jan 2006, 19:18
Brillant.
Lara/Tendulkar/Kallis > Ponting :)
Bentleigh
4 Jan 2006, 19:40
Lara/Tendulkar/Kallis > Ponting :)
Punter is well and truly in the Lara/Dulka league now.
Lara/Tendulkar/Kallis > Ponting :)
Lara and Tendulkar yes. Kallis>Ponting? I don't know. Kallis avergaes better than Ponting, however, Kallis bats slower helping his cause in making the runs (Less risk of losing his wicket.) Plus, Kallis even with this 100, averages well below his normal avergae against the world champs. To say that he stands up when he is needed (Which is neccesary to be caled great) you have to score against the best. I love Kallis and the wall almost as much as Ponting, mainly becuase of technique, which is suberb.
That said Ponting would average lower if he was not Australian. I think the thing that sets Lara and Tendulkar apart is that they have been doing it so long in bad teams (Lara- WI :thumbsd: ) While India have not been entirely succesful in the test arena. Plus they have a certain special quality. Lara can rip apart any attack with a 200 in seconds (exaggerating here, but you know what I mean) while Tendulkar keeps scoring 100s like its childs-work. The next 2-3 years will define whether Ponting is seen beside the greats. If he continues like this, then yes he will, but if he doesn't (which is possible check 2004) the mantle may escape him. Time will tell.
Punter is well and truly in the Lara/Dulka league now.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha :D
Tendulkar/Lara carted attacks when they were very strong.
Ponting has it easy.
I feel Punter may win us more games then anyone for their country will in the next 5 years, with him we may not slide down as quick as people think.
ponting underatted? dreaming! Australias best batsman for the last 5 years![b]
and tendulkar has always made runs when it counted, if he hasnt how could he have scored over 10000 runs and made 30+ tons? :confused:
Excuse me...Ponting has been Ausrtalias best batsmen this year only. Since 2000-2004. Gilchrist and Hayden have been the best australian batsem.
And sure, Tendulkar's stats mighten look as good as pontings. But if you dove a bit deeper into his statistics, you'd see that he has more Centuries than any other player in history.
Id rate Ponting in the top5 world's batsmen.
wce4premiership
4 Jan 2006, 23:33
Excuse me...Ponting has been Ausrtalias best batsmen this year only. Since 2000-2004. Gilchrist and Hayden have been the best australian batsem.
And sure, Tendulkar's stats mighten look as good as pontings. But if you dove a bit deeper into his statistics, you'd see that he has more Centuries than any other player in history.
Id rate Ponting in the top5 world's batsmen.
i thiknk in 2004 it wuld be langer...and 2003 wuld be ponting agen
Bentleigh
6 Jan 2006, 15:19
Live career averages:
57.71 Ponting
57.24 Kallis
57.16 Dravid
56.71 Tendulkar
53.86 Lara
Live career averages:
57.71 Ponting
57.24 Kallis
57.16 Dravid
56.71 Tendulkar
53.86 Lara
Wonder what Pontings average would be if he represented WI....?
Kane McGoodwin
6 Jan 2006, 15:27
Wonder what Pontings average would be if he represented WI....?
Wouldn't be too much in it, as he has done well against all attacks except the Indians.
Wouldn't be too much in it, as he has done well against all attacks except the Indians.
How would he go batting in a team who get bowled out for 200 on most occasions?
Kane McGoodwin
6 Jan 2006, 18:54
How would he go batting in a team who get bowled out for 200 on most occasions?
They would probably get out for about 230, assuming that Punter would on average score 30 more than their worst batsman. Your point?
They would probably get out for about 230, assuming that Punter would on average score 30 more than their worst batsman. Your point?
My point is Ponting wouldnt average 57 if batting in the WI team.
His average would come down for sure.
thewhippersnapper
6 Jan 2006, 18:59
My point is Ponting wouldnt average 57 if batting in the WI team.
His average would come down for sure.
Who cares, he's Australian not West Indian.
Bentleigh
24 Nov 2006, 11:04
Underrated.
just maybe
24 Nov 2006, 11:05
Underrated.
Bahahahahha.
Cassius_Clay
24 Nov 2006, 11:25
Bahahahahha.
What's funny?
Coin_Toss
24 Nov 2006, 11:29
Underrated.
That's crap man,
I think every good cricket judge rates him a sure bet in world's best batsman stakes. No one says a bad word.
Bentleigh
24 Nov 2006, 11:30
What's funny?
Adelaide.
just maybe
24 Nov 2006, 11:46
Adelaide.
Nah, Richmond.
RoosterLad
24 Nov 2006, 14:44
JM 1
Bentleigh 0
Underrated by many, not by me.
Blue Boyz
24 Nov 2006, 20:12
Underrated.
Underrated??? Hardly, I saw one pundit on this site putting him ahead of Bradman.
Actually I reckon his the best player ever in the history of cricket and if the games survives another 500 years there never will be a better batsman than him. There that's what I think!!!!!!!!!!!