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dan warna
23 Jan 2005, 19:42
the calls for his reinstatement to the test side seem to have slipped
fishing fishing fishing (it seems to be sad when we have no Brett lee threads on the board) :D
Cassius_Clay
23 Jan 2005, 19:43
your a ********ing idiot
dan warna
23 Jan 2005, 19:58
woo hoo witty remark, must take a lot of brains to come up with that?
did you look up the dictionary to spell ******** :D
Calcium Man
23 Jan 2005, 20:07
He shouldnt even be in the One day side, He has the worst cricket brain i have eva seen and he is lucky that he is restricted to 10 overs in One day cricket or he would be exposed like he is in test cricket.
Sylvia Saint
23 Jan 2005, 20:16
I thought we had all agreed that he can continue to be expensive so long as he picks up wickets?
Cassius_Clay
23 Jan 2005, 20:19
I thought we had all agreed that he can continue to be expensive so long as he picks up wickets?
yes i'd agree with that
Calcium Man
23 Jan 2005, 20:26
Well i never agreed. Mcgrath and Gillespie can pick up wickets and be less expensive than Lee. In our best line up for ODI he is not there IMO.
dan warna
23 Jan 2005, 20:35
well it seems on recent form he isn't our third best paceman....
Kasper has brett lee covered in tests and ODI's on recent form that is. (last 10 tests/ODI's)
so our best bowling attack SHOULD be mcgrath, dizzy, kaspa, and possibly hoggy or watson depending on conditions.
unless you want to leave out a BETTER bowler so brett lee can win endorsements for being a pretty boy.
Brett Lee
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
Test
filtered 10 95 23 13.57 0 0 37 4/63 37.27 0 6 0
ODI
filtered 10 34 15 17.00 0 0 14 3/36 28.71 0 2 0
By comparison:
Kasper
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
test
filtered 10 88 19 7.33 0 0 35 7/39 23.25 2 4 0
ODI
filtered 10 9 9* - 0 0 18 5/47 18.44 1 4 0
If the Aussies didn't rotate their fast bowlers,would he be in the best 11 [ODI team ] right now ?
I'd say no
Gillespie,McGrath & Kaspa would all be ahead of him.
dan warna
23 Jan 2005, 21:00
If the Aussies didn't rotate their fast bowlers,would he be in the best 11 [ODI team ] right now ?
I'd say no
Gillespie,McGrath & Kaspa would all be ahead of him.
absolutely. the rotation policy seems to be just a mechanism to let lee bowl, because otherwise the other three are way ahead of him.
same in tests, lee isn't a patch on the other three in performance.
I do not disagree that Mcgrath, Gillespie and Kaspa should be the first three bowlers picked into a full strengthed Australian side.
My problem is with the people who say that Brett Lee shouldn't even be considered as the first back-up choice or even think he shouldn't even be considered in the sqaud. That is just plain stupid..
dan warna
23 Jan 2005, 21:28
I do not disagree that Mcgrath, Gillespie and Kaspa should be the first three bowlers picked into a full strengthed Australian side.
My problem is with the people who say that Brett Lee shouldn't even be considered as the first back-up choice or even think he shouldn't even be considered in the sqaud. That is just plain stupid..
in the ODI arena he should be a back up bowler, and in the squad, his form in the short game is more than acceptable. Also he is a fine outfielder.
he SHOULDN"T be wasting a spot in the test side though, time to move on from Brett lee and get some one who can bowl more than 10 overs without getting smashed all over the park and histrionics with getting wickets for the no.10 batsman (he did show remarkable restraint from his usual overexubrance, but it is interesting that in a day when the bowlers of aus dominated, lee was banged about like it was a glass track)
I thought we had all agreed that he can continue to be expensive so long as he picks up wickets?
Thats fine with me especially in ODI'S:D
But i hate to say it but i dont think he is a test bowler YET, maybe in a couple of years when he smooths out that ER
Kenny_01
23 Jan 2005, 22:42
Lee did bowl crap today after his first over or two, first time in a while. His figures ended up OK but it was the first time he has bowled that crap for a while... just the line and length.
Sad thing is as soon as he plays a bad game, there are threads about it. When Dizzy or Kaspa gets smashed around, no-one mentions it. Get over Lee already.
dan warna
23 Jan 2005, 22:51
mmm a few games he's been smashed around, but no one here is saying he shouldn't be in the ODI squad, the stats show however of the four pacemen, he is the weakest.
also he shouldn't be in the test side, except to field and carry the drinks.
:D
Crooked Rain
23 Jan 2005, 23:05
He shouldnt even be in the One day side, He has the worst cricket brain i have eva seen and he is lucky that he is restricted to 10 overs in One day cricket or he would be exposed like he is in test cricket.
Considering the favourable conditions he had to bowl in at the SCG against the Pakis, I thought his return was very poor. 1/42 after 7 overs was pathetic. A tail ender to make his figures look reasonable at the end.
Onya binger, your wickets are still so much more spectacular than McGrath's or Kasper's. Everything you do is so much better. Even the sixes that get hit off you are so much better. :D
Sylvia Saint
23 Jan 2005, 23:08
Sad thing is as soon as he plays a bad game, there are threads about it. When Dizzy or Kaspa gets smashed around, no-one mentions it. Get over Lee already.
Yeah, some people on here are literally obsessed with the guy. Pretty scary.
Bombers_Forever
24 Jan 2005, 05:46
2/54........in a total of 146 is pretty poor. So was the 1/66 in Hobart.
McGrath, now there's a bowler.
well it seems on recent form he isn't our third best paceman....
Kasper has brett lee covered in tests and ODI's on recent form that is. (last 10 tests/ODI's)
so our best bowling attack SHOULD be mcgrath, dizzy, kaspa, and possibly hoggy or watson depending on conditions.
unless you want to leave out a BETTER bowler so brett lee can win endorsements for being a pretty boy.
Brett Lee
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
Test
filtered 10 95 23 13.57 0 0 37 4/63 37.27 0 6 0
ODI
filtered 10 34 15 17.00 0 0 14 3/36 28.71 0 2 0
By comparison:
Kasper
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
test
filtered 10 88 19 7.33 0 0 35 7/39 23.25 2 4 0
ODI
filtered 10 9 9* - 0 0 18 5/47 18.44 1 4 0
I totally agree on Kaspa being ahead of Lee in the tests. Not an issue.
One dayers though, sure I'd pick Kaspa ahead of Lee on the subcontinent but in Australia, Kaspa's bowling well but Lee would just shade him for my best XI.
FWIW
ODI Bowling average in Australia:
Lee 23.18
Kaspa 38.22
For VB finals, I reckon they'll open with McGrath and Lee, with Dizzy first change.
Kenny_01
24 Jan 2005, 10:03
FWIW
ODI Bowling average in Australia:
Lee 23.18
Kaspa 38.22
Not a stat that stat man dan warna will like.
Stafford678
24 Jan 2005, 11:08
well it seems on recent form he isn't our third best paceman....
Kasper has brett lee covered in tests and ODI's on recent form that is. (last 10 tests/ODI's)
so our best bowling attack SHOULD be mcgrath, dizzy, kaspa, and possibly hoggy or watson depending on conditions.
unless you want to leave out a BETTER bowler so brett lee can win endorsements for being a pretty boy.
Brett Lee
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
Test
filtered 10 95 23 13.57 0 0 37 4/63 37.27 0 6 0
ODI
filtered 10 34 15 17.00 0 0 14 3/36 28.71 0 2 0
By comparison:
Kasper
Mat Runs HS BatAv 100 50 W BB BowlAv 5w Ct St
test
filtered 10 88 19 7.33 0 0 35 7/39 23.25 2 4 0
ODI
filtered 10 9 9* - 0 0 18 5/47 18.44 1 4 0
and on recent form mathhew hayden and symonds should be batting below micheal clarke so......
dan warna
24 Jan 2005, 20:17
just pointing out that the retarded few who were calling for lee to be the test side on the form of one ODI are now saying that recent ODI form is irrelevant and that the anti-lees are on a bandwaggon.
FWIW I think lee should be in the ODI squad but not waste a spot in the test squad.
I haven't done the research, but from his few FC games this season he hasn't showed much chop either.
again I think we should include tait in the test side so he can learn from McGrath and Dizzy, before they retire in the next few years.
tait I think is the best of the junior fast bowlers, but is too erratice at the moment.
ie. bad education he could be another lee, good education he could be the next gun aussie strike bowler.
pluga_4
21 Jan 2006, 20:34
it's great lookin back at times aint it :D