Jared Rivers Vs Gary Ablett Jr. Vs Justion Kotchitzke

[rick James]

Who will be the better player in the long run?

Ablett has shown amazing ability, I think he will be a star.

But a gun CHB is hard to coem by and Rivers looks every bit the part.

Likewise a versatile bigman like Kotchizke who has been unlucky with injury but also looks good.

this Poll is about who will be the better player over their careers, say the next five years.

VOTE PEOPLE!

[Cassius_Clay]

Gary Ablett then rivers then along way back kotchitzke

[rick James]

and kosthizke streaks away to an early lead... saints supporters are out in full force by the looks of things.

[nananana catman]

Why the comparison of two KPP's and a small?

[JeffDunne]

Who is god's name is Justion Kotchitzke ?? :confused:

I can understand you getting the Koschitzke bit wrong, but Justin??

[JUBJUB]

Who is god's name is Justion Kotchitzke ?? :confused:



Maybe he could line up in the same team as James Bartells ;)

[SensibleCommentator]

Ah what a stupid thread why is this so???
On talent and what Ive seen so far isnt it 1.ABLETT 2.KOSI then 3.RIVERS how could anyone disagree???? If Kosi stays on the field theres few who will beat him! (seen as we have reiwoldt :D )

IMO Rivers is a one year or two wonder.

IMOO ABLETT IS A GENIUS LIKE HIS OLD MAN.

Rivers has had a good year like kosi did in 2001. Kosi although missed a lot of games still shows now and then what he can do, and will do if he stays on the field. Ablett is brilliant will go on If he keeps what he's doing UP!

[flagfor05]

Rivers is a dud. I could be a CHB. All you gotta do is follow your man.

I rate Kozzie, but G.Ablett is better than both by streets.

Rivers=dud

[Yze_Magic]

Anyone with a brain would know how it goes

1. Rivers - brilliant young KPP who can do it all. And they are rare as hens teeth

2. Ablett - great young talent with plenty of tricks up his sleeve. If he was 5 cm's taller he would be a top 10 player for the next decade. He wont get that far, but he will be very good

3. Koschitzke (?) - good talent also, who will be able to ruck and go forward, Doesnt have the X factor of the first 2. Also, his body lets him down terribly. Will either dominate, or fall into the abyss

Ablett and Rivers will be perenniall All Australians in Forward Pocket and CHB respectively. Koschitzke will be one of those guys who gets close, but never makes it

[dees_best]

Stupid thread.

Some stupid comments by a lot of dim witted posters labelling Rivers a dud.

For the record Ablett > Rivers > Kosi

All three are completely different types though.

[Yze_Magic]

Rivers is a dud. I could be a CHB. All you gotta do is follow your man.

I rate Kozzie, but G.Ablett is better than both by streets.

Rivers=dud


You are a joke

I vote that you get banned

My reason - severe lack of football knowldge

[flagfor05]

Stupid thread.

Some stupid comments by a lot of dim witted posters labelling Rivers a dud.

For the record Ablett > Rivers > Kosi

All three are completely different types though.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OMG. HAHAHAHAHA

THAT IS SO FUNNY

RIVERS AHEDA OF KOSCHITZKE. OH THAT MAKES ME LAUGH.

OH DEES FANS, YOU ARE THE LIVING END

[WestCat]

2. Ablett - great young talent with plenty of tricks up his sleeve. If he was 5 cm's taller he would be a top 10 player for the next decade. He wont get that far, but he will be very good


Not trying to bag you, but how does 5cm make such a huge difference to a player?

I'd rate Ablett ahead of the others, but then again I haven't seen much of Rivers so can't give an accurate appraisal of him. Kosi is a handy player though.

[Marns]

Seriously, to rate (as someone has already mentioned), 2 KPP's and a small...just not right. I think the best way to judge who is better between certain players, is if they actually play in the same position.
IMO Rivers is a one year or two wonder.
Please, idiot, go back to the institution.


For the record, Rivers kicks arse :D

[dees_best]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OMG. HAHAHAHAHA

THAT IS SO FUNNY

RIVERS AHEDA OF KOSCHITZKE. OH THAT MAKES ME LAUGH.

OH DEES FANS, YOU ARE THE LIVING END

& you my slow minded friend are a joke.

Get a clue or ******** off.

I look forward to seeing you on billboards all around Australia as the face of the 2008 Special Olympics.

[Micketts]

Why is Rivers even mentioned in the same light as the other two? He is a clear cut class below. So why even bother to mention him?

[Yze_Magic]

Why is Rivers even mentioned in the same light as the other two? He is a clear cut class below. So why even bother to mention him?


First ever unanimous Rising Star Winner, as voted by people who are part of the game

[Marns]

First ever unanimous Rising Star Winner, as voted by people who are part of the game

:D Hahaha, well said YM

[rick James]

excuse me, how is this a stupid thread?

I'm not talking about who is better now, i'm tlaking who will be the better player over the netx 5 years, what position they play is irrelevant.

Oh and I tpyed "justion" because it was a typo, the i and o keys are next to eachother you little spelling bee freak. Now get a life and drop a real opinion.

[Micketts]

First ever unanimous Rising Star Winner, as voted by people who are part of the game

I wonder who knows more, them or a spastic like you?

Hmmm....Don't live in the past Yze. Nick Holland also won the same award, doesn't mean they are equal players now.

By that logic Nick Holland is as good as Riewoldt. :eek:

[rick James]

Don't live in the past Yze. Nick Holland also won the same award, doesn't mean they are equal players now.

By that logic Nick Holland is as good as Riewoldt. :eek:

No because nick holland wa atrocious last season.

Jared Rivers was excellent and held down the second hardest position in the game at 19 years of age.

Who was hte last CHB to even win a rising star? Have any ever won one before?

What's the average age of the starting CHB's in the league? the only CHB's I can think of that are better than Rivers are Mooney and Cornes. both substantially older than Riv. He'll be the next G Jakovich. Mark my gospel.

[dees_best]

No because nick holland wa atrocious last season.

Jared Rivers was excellent and held down the second hardest position in the game at 19 years of age.

Who was hte last CHB to even win a rising star? Have any ever won one before?

What's the average age of the starting CHB's in the league? the only CHB's I can think of that are better than Rivers are Mooney and Cornes. both substantially older than Riv. He'll be the next G Jakovich. Mark my gospel.

I think you meant Harley.

Mooney was played all over the place.

McPharlin is a quality CHB too as are Leppitsch and Maguire.

[rick James]

I think you meant Harley.

Mooney was played all over the place.

McPharlin is a quality CHB too as are Leppitsch and Maguire.

Yeah I meant Harley. I always get their names mixed up, but show me a photo and I can tell the difference. lol.

Leppitsch is good, but is a utility type who gets moved a bit, plus he spends a fair bit of time injured as well.

Maguire I rate highly, people underestimate him.

Actually, I'm starting a new poll, Maguire VS Rivers

[dees_best]

Yeah I meant Harley. I always get their names mixed up, but show me a photo and I can tell the difference. lol.

Leppitsch is good, but is a utility type who gets moved a bit, plus he spends a fair bit of time injured as well.

Maguire I rate highly, people underestimate him.

Actually, I'm starting a new poll, Maguire VS Rivers

Yeah, Rivers and Maguire are pretty even. Both very different types of CHBs but will both give their respective clubs a grade service for the next 10 years.

[thecoastingcoaster]

the only CHB's I can think of that are better than Rivers are Mooney and Cornes.
I didn't know McPharlin's nickname was Mooney.

[rick James]

I obviously don't get to see McPharlin enogh over here.

because I didn't rate him in the same bracket but a lot of the people whose posts i usually repsect here tell me he's the best around.

I'm gunna have to watch a few freo games I tihnk (i didn't rate them enough to care last year after we beat them in subi).

Oh, and Rivers isn't fat, but his arse is quite big, martial artists and boxers will teach you that most strength comes from the hips. So to call him weak and talk about his fat arse is a contradiction.

[rick James]

oh wait just relaised it was ff05 that said it, disregard.

[Joffaboy]

Kosi is better than either.

One is a one year wonder (what ever did happen to Sam Mitchell), the other is a forward goalsneak not much better than Milne.

Kosi easily.

[Marns]

Kosi is better than either.

One is a one year wonder (what ever did happen to Sam Mitchell), the other is a forward goalsneak not much better than Milne.

Kosi easily.
Yeah, whatever DID happen to Sam Mitchell?....I thought we were talking about Rivers, Kosi, and Ablett???

[Yze_Magic]

Kosi is better than either.

One is a one year wonder (what ever did happen to Sam Mitchell), the other is a forward goalsneak not much better than Milne.

Kosi easily.

1 year wonder?

So that would make him way better than a ZERO year wonder, in Justin kocschitzke

[Joffaboy]

1 year wonder?

So that would make him way better than a ZERO year wonder, in Justin kocschitzke


With all the amazing superstars at Melbourne now wonder they have won the past five flags in a row :rolleyes:

Kosi easily over flash in the pan Rivers. I season wonder.

I feel so dirty but I agree with flagfor2105, god help me.

[Yze_Magic]

With all the amazing superstars at Melbourne now wonder they have won the past five flags in a row :rolleyes:

Kosi easily over flash in the pan Rivers. I season wonder.

I feel so dirty but I agree with flagfor2105, god help me.


Doesnt make sense

One kid has been unanimous choise for Rising Star and completed a FULL SEASON in a KEY POSITION

the other one has done sweet F.A and has a body that cant even handle the AFL

now consider where they were picked in their repective drafts. Ko********scke top 2 pick... Rivvo in the 20's

I think we know who the star is

And it aint the kid made of tissue paper

[Joffaboy]

Doesnt make sense

One kid has been unanimous choise for Rising Star and completed a FULL SEASON in a KEY POSITION

the other one has done sweet F.A and has a body that cant even handle the AFL

now consider where they were picked in their repective drafts. Ko********scke top 2 pick... Rivvo in the 20's

I think we know who the star is

And it aint the kid made of tissue paper

Kosi won a Rising Star, big deal.

Rivers is a flash in the pan one year wonder.

Will be found out this season.

[Falchoon]

No because nick holland wa atrocious last season.

Jared Rivers was excellent and held down the second hardest position in the game at 19 years of age.

Who was hte last CHB to even win a rising star? Have any ever won one before?



Errrrrrrr, I'll give you a clue it's not G Ablett junior :confused: 2001

1 year wonder?

So that would make him way better than a ZERO year wonder, in Justin kocschitzke

Ok it's Justin Koschitzke 2001, that'd be at least 1 year

Doesnt make sense

One kid has been unanimous choise for Rising Star and completed a FULL SEASON in a KEY POSITION


yes, that's Kosi


the other one has done sweet F.A and has a body that cant even handle the AFL

Poor Rivers


now consider where they were picked in their repective drafts. Ko********scke top 2 pick... Rivvo in the 20's

Hardly relevant as to who's a better player, but I'd have Kosi over choofer Johnstone anyday.

I think we know who the star is


The one with the Rising star at CHB?

[OneEyedHawk]

Yeah, whatever DID happen to Sam Mitchell?....I thought we were talking about Rivers, Kosi, and Ablett???
Third in the league for clearances after home and away season this year. Label him a one year wonder at your own peril.

[rick James]

With all the amazing superstars at Melbourne now wonder they have won the past five flags in a row :rolleyes:

Kosi easily over flash in the pan Rivers. I season wonder.

I feel so dirty but I agree with flagfor2105, god help me.


we don't have superstars. I really don't think melbourne even has ONE superstar.

Yet,, we pummel the saints to the ground every SINGLE time we play them.

you may have noticed that when riewoldt was playing hte best game of his career, Rivers notched up 25 possessions from CHB and melbourne won by ten goals.

we don't need superstars, we're simply a better team. when the saints actually work out how to beat the mighty red and blue, THEN maybe I'll listen.

but for the record, i beleive St Kilda have an equally good young CHB in Maguire.

But Kosi I've decided, is a very hadny player, makes life difficult for the opposition, but he DIDNT play a KPP his whole 2001. he was flanking, and rivers is definitely a better PERMANENT KPP position tha Kos. Still rate the bloke though.

[Cro_Pavo]

Gary Ablett Junior followed by Jared Rivers then Justin Kostchitzke

[Falchoon]

But Kosi I've decided, is a very hadny player, makes life difficult for the opposition, but he DIDNT play a KPP his whole 2001. he was flanking, and rivers is definitely a better PERMANENT KPP position tha Kos. Still rate the bloke though.

no you're right, B Hall played there for the first 5 rounds, Kosi from 6-22. Kosi only debuted in round 3.

[rick James]

you're right

i know.

i go for melbourne after all.

[Bentleigh]

Jared Rivers would best suit Richmond.

[rick James]

Jared Rivers would best suit Richmond.

haha you wish.

but that shows he's the player you want most out of the three.

[Bentleigh]

haha you wish.

but that shows he's the player you want most out of the three.

What they ******** are you on about?

Saying "Jared Rivers would best suit Richmond." means "he's the player you want most out of the three"

Thanks you captain obvious :rolleyes:

[Micketts]

What they ******** are you on about?

Saying "Jared Rivers would best suit Richmond." means "he's the player you want most out of the three"

Thanks you captain obvious :rolleyes:He just proved that because you have money doesn't mean you're not dumb.

[rick James]

What they ******** are you on about?

Saying "Jared Rivers would best suit Richmond." means "he's the player you want most out of the three"

Thanks you captain obvious :rolleyes:

I just wnated to confirm you peasant.

Aeeing as it was toonhard for you to actually say "jared Rivers is better".

p.s. good luck getting him to richmond. he has class this kid.

[demon_dave]

Ah what a stupid thread why is this so???
On talent and what Ive seen so far isnt it 1.ABLETT 2.KOSI then 3.RIVERS how could anyone disagree???? If Kosi stays on the field theres few who will beat him! (seen as we have reiwoldt :D )

IMO Rivers is a one year or two wonder.

IMOO ABLETT IS A GENIUS LIKE HIS OLD MAN.

Rivers has had a good year like kosi did in 2001. Kosi although missed a lot of games still shows now and then what he can do, and will do if he stays on the field. Ablett is brilliant will go on If he keeps what he's doing UP!

bit ironic with a username like that, no common sense

[Bentleigh]

I just wnated to confirm you peasant.

Aeeing as it was toonhard for you to actually say "jared Rivers is better".

p.s. good luck getting him to richmond. he has class this kid.

Peasent...

I think your forgeting Me>You.

I didnt say he was better, hence he is not. Ablett is by far the most skillful of the 3 while Kotch. is a more vaulable player which can play the next 10 years anywhere on the ruck/forward/back.

Yet Richmond need a gun CHB to support Bowden (got my doubts on Schultz), thus Rivers would be the bloke i would want most.

However, id prefer McPharlin.

[rick James]

Peasent...

I think your forgeting Me>You.

I didnt say he was better, hence he is not. Ablett is by far the most skillful of the 3 while Kotch. is a more vaulable player which can play the next 10 years anywhere on the ruck/forward/back.

Yet Richmond need a gun CHB to support Bowden (got my doubts on Schultz), thus Rivers would be the bloke i would want most.

However, id prefer McPharlin.

well if you>me i have two questions.

1. Why can't you spell peasant properly? it certainly isn't a typo that's for sure.

2. Why do you follow richmond? being that you're so full of yourself i assume you are under 20 years old. so why would you be so cocky when your team has played finlas what, twice? In your enitre useless existence?

And just so you know, we weren't discussing McPharlin (see thread title). So whic out of the three would you rather have at your club?

Richmond supporters... it's like teaching people to breathe.

[Bentleigh]

well if you>me i have two questions.

1. Why can't you spell peasant properly? it certainly isn't a typo that's for sure.

2. Why do you follow richmond? being that you're so full of yourself i assume you are under 20 years old. so why would you be so cocky when your team has played finlas what, twice? In your enitre useless existence?

And just so you know, we weren't discussing McPharlin (see thread title). So whic out of the three would you rather have at your club?

Richmond supporters... it's like teaching people to breathe.

You beleive because you support Melbourne you are in a higher tier of person than non-Melbourne fans?

Of course there is a branch of supporter which the snow-feild/4-wheeldrive/toorak sterotype is based apon. However there are many w@nkers, like yourself which do not fall in this part of society.

[rick James]

You beleive because you support Melbourne you are in a higher tier of person than non-Melbourne fans?

Of course there is a branch of supporter which the snow-feild/4-wheeldrive/toorak sterotype is based apon. However there are many w@nkers, like yourself which do not fall in this part of society.

I beleive that do I?

And what basis do you have for this little assertion of yours? or is it an example of your inferiority complex shinging through again? Because I never once seriously claimed to be part of the 'snow set'.

Are you saying people who can't afford to go to the snow and drive Landrovers are w@nkers? because that's what you've just said ma'am. you cl;early stated that people who don't fit into this section of scoiety are w@ankers. does this go for hte majority of richmond supporters as well? Better yet, does it go for the majority of victorians?

i tihnk you need to lay off the smack madam.

[smasher]

Kozzie has definately justified that he is a much better servant than Rivers.He is a very talented,all round player who can play ruck,kpp or pocket.Rivers is servicable but lacks strength on occassions.Defianately has courage and needs to bulk up if he is to continue at CHB.
Ablett is a totally different player and is incomparable to the two bigger blokes as his role is totally different.

[Yze_Magic]

The St.Kilda Saints


Proudly owned by the Melbourne Football CLub

[st philip]

i truly believe kosi will be the best player BUT i voted for ablett jnr as i believe kosi will continue to be struck down by injuries.

thus, longevity will ensure jnr gets the nod.

i must say this is one of the more even comparisons as all three players are very good in the short time they have been performing, especially last yrs performance by rivers.

so, kosi for mine but ablett by default.

[JUBJUB]

The St.Kilda Saints


Proudly owned by the Melbourne Football CLub

It's about the only thing Melbourne could afford to own. :p

[SensibleCommentator]

The St.Kilda Saints


Proudly owned by the Melbourne Football CLub


really? who has more members? who is the better team in 2005? one answer and it aint the demons!! hahahaha I cant wait to see the demons fall on their arse! hahaha miller and holland??? hahahahahahahahahaha too funny to talk aboiut. :D

moloney sylvia or who mcdonald??? against a ball or hayes or harvey or powell or a DAL SANTO???? hahahaha good luck

[rick James]

really? who has more members? who is the better team in 2005? one answer and it aint the demons!! hahahaha I cant wait to see the demons fall on their arse! hahaha miller and holland??? hahahahahahahahahaha too funny to talk aboiut. :D

moloney sylvia or who mcdonald??? against a ball or hayes or harvey or powell or a DAL SANTO???? hahahaha good luck

1. you have more members. about 90% have been members since last year. I don't like bandwagoners.

2. Coudln't tell, the season hasn't started yet, either team could go extremely well or fall down the ladder. If we base it off the last time the two teams played, Melbourne are about 10 goals ahead of you.

That mnidfield of yours got completely trounced by ours. Riewoldt was having the best game of his career and your overrated hacks couldn't even kick the ball in his general direction. Out midfield absolutely taught yours how to play that day. Like we will next time too.

Don't forget, you are our property.

[dees_best]

Kosi is better than either.

One is a one year wonder (what ever did happen to Sam Mitchell), the other is a forward goalsneak not much better than Milne.

Kosi easily.

Not biased at all are we? :rolleyes:

What ever did happen to Dal Santo, Goddard etc in the finals last season?

[Yze_Magic]

That mnidfield of yours got completely trounced by ours. Riewoldt was having the best game of his career and your overrated hacks couldn't even kick the ball in his general direction. Out midfield absolutely taught yours how to play that day. Like we will next time too.

Don't forget, you are our property.



:D

[SensibleCommentator]

Gehrig-Neitz
Reiwoldt - Miller
Hayes-McDonald/Johnstone
Maguire-Rivers
Penny-Nicholson

Says it all really.

This says even more...........
Sylvia-Dal Santo
Moloney-Ball
Harvey-anyone

hahahahaha enjoy 2005 and the years to come. hahahaha :D seriously nice team you got there. :eek:

[Yze_Magic]

Gehrig-Neitz
Reiwoldt - Miller
Hayes-McDonald/Johnstone
Maguire-Rivers
Penny-Nicholson

Says it all really.

This says even more...........
Sylvia-Dal Santo
Moloney-Ball
Harvey-anyone

hahahahaha enjoy 2005 and the years to come. hahahaha :D seriously nice team you got there. :eek:


Here ya go moron. Chew on this for a while



R4 2000 2.4 9.6 16.11 25.15 165 4.2 6.6 9.7 11.9 75 W M.C.G.
R19 2000 4.4 7.11 11.13 17.14 116 4.4 10.8 12.11 14.14 98 W Docklands
R10 2001 5.5 8.6 12.8 22.12 144 6.1 9.6 15.9 17.11 113 W Docklands
R7 2002 3.7 6.8 14.10 15.15 105 2.1 6.4 10.8 15.12 102 W M.C.G.
R22 2002 3.1 9.9 13.12 20.15 135 6.1 8.3 13.8 18.9 117 W Docklands
R13 2003 4.3 8.6 17.7 21.10 136 4.3 8.6 10.8 14.10 94 W M.C.G.
R15 2004 4.1 11.3 17.6 23.8 146 4.2 8.6 11.8 13.11 89 W M.C.G.

7 straight wins

Average margin of victory - 37 points

Scale of ownership - Extreme

St.Kilda Saints

Proudly owned by the Melbourne Football Club

[dees_best]

Gehrig-Neitz
Reiwoldt - Miller
Hayes-McDonald/Johnstone
Maguire-Rivers
Penny-Nicholson

Says it all really.

This says even more...........
Sylvia-Dal Santo
Moloney-Ball
Harvey-anyone

hahahahaha enjoy 2005 and the years to come. hahahaha :D seriously nice team you got there.

Oi point dexter stop trying to make us look bad. I think this is more like it matchup wise:

Gehrig - Neitz
Riewoldt - Miller
Hayes - Bruce
Maguire - Rivers
Penny - Nicholson
Blake/Ackland - White/Jamar :D
Green - Dal Santo
Moloney - Ball
Harvey - Yze
Powell - McDonald
Voss - Whelan
Jones - Brown
Guerra - Robertson
Milne - Davey
Goddard - Wheatley
McQualter - McLean
Gram - Bell
Hudghton - Bizzell
Baker - Read
Fiora - Ward
X.Clarke - Sylvia
Fisher - Ferguson
Thompson - Rigoni
Koschitzke - Holland
Montagna - Armstrong
Schwarze - Williams
R.Clarke - Bate

etc etc etc

Melbourne doesn't look half as bad now fool.

So much for SensibleCommentator. :rolleyes:

[Marns]

Third in the league for clearances after home and away season this year. Label him a one year wonder at your own peril.
Read back a bit mate, I was answering to some douche who brought up mitchell for no reason...I got nothing against him

[Bentleigh]

Riewoldt - Miller
Moloney - Ball


Go Dees

[Sylvia Saint]

Here ya go moron. Chew on this for a while



R4 2000 2.4 9.6 16.11 25.15 165 4.2 6.6 9.7 11.9 75 W M.C.G.
R19 2000 4.4 7.11 11.13 17.14 116 4.4 10.8 12.11 14.14 98 W Docklands
R10 2001 5.5 8.6 12.8 22.12 144 6.1 9.6 15.9 17.11 113 W Docklands
R7 2002 3.7 6.8 14.10 15.15 105 2.1 6.4 10.8 15.12 102 W M.C.G.
R22 2002 3.1 9.9 13.12 20.15 135 6.1 8.3 13.8 18.9 117 W Docklands
R13 2003 4.3 8.6 17.7 21.10 136 4.3 8.6 10.8 14.10 94 W M.C.G.
R15 2004 4.1 11.3 17.6 23.8 146 4.2 8.6 11.8 13.11 89 W M.C.G.

7 straight wins

Average margin of victory - 37 points

Scale of ownership - Extreme

St.Kilda Saints

Proudly owned by the Melbourne Football Club

Somebody just got shutdown, and I don't mean Yze Magic!!!

[dees_best]

Go Dees

Saints definately win those two matchups.

I'm not saying otherwise.

What I'm saying is that we are not as p1ssweak as what SensibleStoolpidgeon is trying to make us appear.

[rick James]

Gehrig-Neitz
Reiwoldt - Miller
Hayes-McDonald/Johnstone
Maguire-Rivers
Penny-Nicholson

Says it all really.

This says even more...........
Sylvia-Dal Santo
Moloney-Ball
Harvey-anyone

hahahahaha enjoy 2005 and the years to come. hahahaha :D seriously nice team you got there. :eek:


typical saints. yes, you look nice on paper. too bad you're useless when putting it into practice.

by the way:

Neitz>Gehrig

and onlast years performance harvey is past it. He can't kick for ********. sure he gets a lot of the ball but he doesn't do anything with it except spray it into your overrated forward line.

but then, you'd expect me to have no respect whatsoever for any of your youngsters, i mean, about 20 of your best 22 have never even beaten the demons before. Must be herart breaking to know that our team is so average, yet you get beaten by us everytime we play.

but you forget your pretty young list got absolutely destroyed by players like james mcdonald and even ben holland againstuns last year.

how crap does your backline have to be when ben holland gets 22 touches and 4 goals? really, how crap.

[rick James]

Go Dees

why would you even say moloney - ball?

stupid match up to start with. Ball is st Kilda's best midfielder. moloney may not even start in our best 22.

Comapre Ball to say, Bruce or Yze.

[Poopa]

Here ya go moron. Chew on this for a while



R4 2000 2.4 9.6 16.11 25.15 165 4.2 6.6 9.7 11.9 75 W M.C.G.
R19 2000 4.4 7.11 11.13 17.14 116 4.4 10.8 12.11 14.14 98 W Docklands
R10 2001 5.5 8.6 12.8 22.12 144 6.1 9.6 15.9 17.11 113 W Docklands
R7 2002 3.7 6.8 14.10 15.15 105 2.1 6.4 10.8 15.12 102 W M.C.G.
R22 2002 3.1 9.9 13.12 20.15 135 6.1 8.3 13.8 18.9 117 W Docklands
R13 2003 4.3 8.6 17.7 21.10 136 4.3 8.6 10.8 14.10 94 W M.C.G.
R15 2004 4.1 11.3 17.6 23.8 146 4.2 8.6 11.8 13.11 89 W M.C.G.

7 straight wins

Average margin of victory - 37 points

Scale of ownership - Extreme

St.Kilda Saints

Proudly owned by the Melbourne Football Club

Nice work!! :D

[OneEyedHawk]

Read back a bit mate, I was answering to some douche who brought up mitchell for no reason...I got nothing against him
Fair enough

[WestCat]

moloney may not even start in our best 22.


Just out of curiousity, who do you think will be in front of him? He's a very good player, I would think he will be on the wing for you guys. Who are your current wingers?

[SensibleCommentator]

typical saints. yes, you look nice on paper. too bad you're useless when putting it into practice.

by the way:

Neitz>Gehrig

and onlast years performance harvey is past it. He can't kick for ********. sure he gets a lot of the ball but he doesn't do anything with it except spray it into your overrated forward line.

but then, you'd expect me to have no respect whatsoever for any of your youngsters, i mean, about 20 of your best 22 have never even beaten the demons before. Must be herart breaking to know that our team is so average, yet you get beaten by us everytime we play.

but you forget your pretty young list got absolutely destroyed by players like james mcdonald and even ben holland againstuns last year.

how crap does your backline have to be when ben holland gets 22 touches and 4 goals? really, how crap.


hahahaha where do I start??? Gehrig is better than neitz in an OVERATED FORWARD LINE????? Gehrig was coleman, reiwoldt had record marks and milne was the second best small forward in the comp. hahaha you tryhard!

Next our backline against you were injured no maguire. remember? he went off early.


If you can get close to us this year then its yours but IMO you have no chance.

Harvey is still the premier midfielder in the comp on his day watch saints last 2 games if you need confirmation. sure he sprays a few kicks say 5 but he still has another 15 - 20 kicks that do hit targets moron!

[SensibleCommentator]

Oi point dexter stop trying to make us look bad. I think this is more like it matchup wise:

Gehrig - Neitz
Riewoldt - Miller
Hayes - Bruce
Maguire - Rivers
Penny - Nicholson
Blake/Ackland - White/Jamar :D
Green - Dal Santo
Moloney - Ball
Harvey - Yze
Powell - McDonald
Voss - Whelan
Jones - Brown
Guerra - Robertson
Milne - Davey
Goddard - Wheatley
McQualter - McLean
Gram - Bell
Hudghton - Bizzell
Baker - Read
Fiora - Ward
X.Clarke - Sylvia
Fisher - Ferguson
Thompson - Rigoni
Koschitzke - Holland
Montagna - Armstrong
Schwarze - Williams
R.Clarke - Bate

etc etc etc

Melbourne doesn't look half as bad now fool.

So much for SensibleCommentator. :rolleyes:whats funny about Blake?? he ********s all over jamar you twit. NO ONE RUNS WITH BLAKE he rips everyone another reason saints do well because people rate their ruck as bad when infact look what blake does!!

[rick James]

Just out of curiousity, who do you think will be in front of him? He's a very good player, I would think he will be on the wing for you guys. Who are your current wingers?

current wingers are johnstone and green. I can't see moloney taking over from them. But i can definitely see him rotating with the two. Or possible playing in the centre.

[rick James]

hahahaha where do I start??? Gehrig is better than neitz in an OVERATED FORWARD LINE????? Gehrig was coleman, reiwoldt had record marks and milne was the second best small forward in the comp. hahaha you tryhard!

Next our backline against you were injured no maguire. remember? he went off early.


If you can get close to us this year then its yours but IMO you have no chance.

Harvey is still the premier midfielder in the comp on his day watch saints last 2 games if you need confirmation. sure he sprays a few kicks say 5 but he still has another 15 - 20 kicks that do hit targets moron!

Gehrig has had one good season. neitz regularly draws two or three defneders and has one a coleman and is in the mix every year.

maguire got injured, big deal. that's one player. Our forward line is above average, but not brilliant. your backline must be a weak link if you can't hold our one dimensional forward line.

Harvey isn't even in the best 20 midfielders in the comp imo. Receiver who dives on packs to make ti look like he's gone for a hard ball. Can't kick, can't mark. overrated.

until YOU beat US, it is ours. We have the wood over you something bad.

[Destructive]

Gary Ablett.

[Sports Capital]

Gablett is a gun

Rivers is servicable

Haven't seen enough of Kosi to have an opinion.

[InKoNtEnT]

Jared Rivers would best suit Richmond.

Well, I know it's not exactly what you meant, but I think he would too !

My reason being he is a **************** bitch just like the toothless from Punt Road

[rick James]

Well, I know it's not exactly what you meant, but I think he would too !

My reason being he is a **************** bitch just like the toothless from Punt Road

hahah that bitch is better than any of your defenders mate.

[mitch_fc]

whoever started this thread is a tool.

[TheGeneral]

As two genuine KP players it would be tempting to plump for Rivers or Koschitzke but how can you go past Gary Ablett? The cats fans love to have one Ablett in the forward line and in the future they're will be 2 killing the opposition together. But these Ablett's will win them a flag unlike their namesake.

[Cuneyt]

Justin who?

[SensibleCommentator]

Gehrig has had one good season. neitz regularly draws two or three defneders and has one a coleman and is in the mix every year.

maguire got injured, big deal. that's one player. Our forward line is above average, but not brilliant. your backline must be a weak link if you can't hold our one dimensional forward line.

Harvey isn't even in the best 20 midfielders in the comp imo. Receiver who dives on packs to make ti look like he's gone for a hard ball. Can't kick, can't mark. overrated.

until YOU beat US, it is ours. We have the wood over you something bad.
Harvey not a good player??? oh dear you have lost all credibility. Also learn to spell kid.... "one a coleman"???? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I don't even have to say anything about that. hahahahahaha "one?" hahahahaha shows your age and intelligence kid..... Harvey is one of the greatest ever to play the game, everyone knows that. Except kids like yourself.

[rick James]

Harvey not a good player??? oh dear you have lost all credibility. Also learn to spell kid.... "one a coleman"???? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I don't even have to say anything about that. hahahahahaha "one?" hahahahaha shows your age and intelligence kid..... Harvey is one of the greatest ever to play the game, everyone knows that. Except kids like yourself.

yes, the fact i made a spelling mistake instantly means i have lost the argument.

never mind the fact you can't come up with a decent response, because on internet forums, spelling is everything, logic is nothing.

anyway, fact remains melbourne > st kilda

[HighRoller]

Harvey not a good player??? oh dear you have lost all credibility. Also learn to spell kid.... "one a coleman"???? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I don't even have to say anything about that. hahahahahaha "one?" hahahahaha shows your age and intelligence kid..... Harvey is one of the greatest ever to play the game, everyone knows that. Except kids like yourself.

Harvey is past his best mate get over it!!!

Sure maybe once he was in the top 20 midfielders now he is an old man

BTW one of the greatest ever??? lol keep dreaming

[iameviljez]

Harvey is past his best mate get over it!!!

Sure maybe once he was in the top 20 midfielders now he is an old man

BTW one of the greatest ever??? lol keep dreaming
Someone didn't see his preliminary final against Port Adelaide.

[LightTower4]

Harvey not a good player??? oh dear you have lost all credibility. Also learn to spell kid.... "one a coleman"???? hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha I don't even have to say anything about that. hahahahahaha "one?" hahahahaha shows your age and intelligence kid..... Harvey is one of the greatest ever to play the game, everyone knows that. Except kids like yourself.

Must you always laugh at all your own posts?

[WestCat]

I think we can put the whole Harvery debate to rest by saying that he won back-to-back Brownlows, which puts him in the elite, but at 32 now, he cannot sustain his best form over 22 rounds, let alone finals as well. He puts in the odd blinder, but cannot be relied upon to win games week in, week out. Still good, but was great.

[RoganSaint]

For the record...

I would take Ablett, then Kosi, then Rivers...

Rivers can play, there is no doubt about that, but let's wait and see how his second year goes before we go and label him better than Kosi... Also for the record, Kosi did win his Rising star award in his first season at CHB (more or less)...and I might add in a side that played crap all year... he was a stand out performer...

As for harvey, it's good to see a geelong supporter who can see both sides of the argument... I agree that Harvey is not as good as he used to be, yet is still better than a lot of others going around... He was a great...and will be remembered as such in the future, and now his role is as mentor to the younger brigade...

but to say he has never been a superstar (only in the top 20????) as has been touted in the earlier posts is absolute crap... you don't win back to back brownlows only being in the top 20 midfielders in the league...

[iameviljez]

Harvey is past his best mate get over it!!!

Sure maybe once he was in the top 20 midfielders now he is an old man

BTW one of the greatest ever??? lol keep dreaming
Hang on, I have the PF Footy Record right in front of me now, son....
PLAYER HONOURS
Brownlow Medal 1997, 1998
Best and Fairest 1992, 1994, 1997, 1998
2nd Best and Fairest 2000, 2003
3rd Best and Fairest 1990, 1993, 1996, 1999
All-Australian 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2003
Michael Tuck Medal 2004
International Rules Series 1998
EJ Whitten medal 1992, 1993, 1996
AFLPA MVP 1997
Pre-season Premierships 1996, 2004
Captain 2001-2002...
That's a pretty fair personal medals cabinet.

[HighRoller]

Hang on, I have the PF Footy Record right in front of me now, son....
PLAYER HONOURS
Brownlow Medal 1997, 1998
Best and Fairest 1992, 1994, 1997, 1998
2nd Best and Fairest 2000, 2003
3rd Best and Fairest 1990, 1993, 1996, 1999
All-Australian 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2003
Michael Tuck Medal 2004
International Rules Series 1998
EJ Whitten medal 1992, 1993, 1996
AFLPA MVP 1997
Pre-season Premierships 1996, 2004
Captain 2001-2002...
That's a pretty fair personal medals cabinet.

Yes it is,

Like i said originally he is getting older now...therefore not as good. I also said i dont rate him as one of the greats of all time...which i standby that comment he is no Ablett,Carey or Matthews. He at his best was an outstanding player...just doesnt make it into my all time great list he is the bracket below

[worthogs]

Yes it is,

Like i said originally he is getting older now...therefore not as good. I also said i dont rate him as one of the greats of all time...which i standby that comment he is no Ablett,Carey or Matthews. He at his best was an outstanding player...just doesnt make it into my all time great list he is the bracket below


Says it all really. Harvey when at his peak was an outstanding player and an auto pick in a aa best 22, but was never an all time great and now is a bit player off the bench.

Great player but not to the all time great level

[rick James]

pretty much.

Harvey will be in the bracket with:

Buckley, Lyon, West, Loewe, Winmar, Stynes, Brownless, Dunstall, Dipper, Jakovich etc etc

All excellent players, but not in the same bracket as:

Voss, Hird, Carey, Ablett, Lockett, Matthews, Barrassi

[iameviljez]

Yes it is,

Like i said originally he is getting older now...therefore not as good. I also said i dont rate him as one of the greats of all time...which i standby that comment he is no Ablett,Carey or Matthews. He at his best was an outstanding player...just doesnt make it into my all time great list he is the bracket below
He's not an all time great as in one of the top five-ten of all time. But he's probably the best midfielder of his era.
He can still turn it on, though, as evidenced by his effort against us in Rd 18 or his mammoth 300th game. I wouldn't be surprised to see him also do 2006 but the smart money's on 2005 only.

[davey_magik]

Basing this on last year-
1. Ablett
2. Rivers
3. Kosi

In 5 years time, Ablett will be one of the best crumbing midfielders in the business, Rivers will be at least in the top 3 CHB's, and as for Kosi I still don't know. I've seen him play but in the current St.Kilda lineup I can see him as a ruck-forward pocket, but I don't place the same value along with him as I would with Rivers and Ablett. Kosi has a s**tload of talent but is too injury prone. Mind you when he's fully fit I'd have him in Melbourns best 22 any day.

[rampantswan]

Ablett, easily

[Falchoon]

Kosi

[Effes]

Can we change this to a public poll to see who everyone voted for?

[parrot]

Who will be the better player in the long run?

Ablett has shown amazing ability, I think he will be a star.

But a gun CHB is hard to coem by and Rivers looks every bit the part.

Likewise a versatile bigman like Kotchizke who has been unlucky with injury but also looks good.

this Poll is about who will be the better player over their careers, say the next five years.

VOTE PEOPLE!


Silly poll, Rivers is just plain ordinary. :)

[davey_magik]

Silly poll, Rivers is just plain ordinary. :)

Silly parrot, if only you knew a thing about football.

I'll admit Rivers did pretty bad on J Brown, Brown kicked a bag of 1.2 and took a massive 7 marks with 21 possessions, most of them accumulated in the midfield where Brown was just ripping Melbourne apart, yet Thornton held him to a very respectable 4.0 and 9 marks along with 22 possessions.

[slushpup]

Gotta be Kosi. Can play key forward, key defence and in the ruck. Versatility gets him the vote.

[Skooks]

Kosi is a gun...

Ablett and Rivers arent...

Simple.