View Full Version : Tony Greig's cackle (Razaq beam ball to Lee)
blackcat
7 Feb 2005, 05:53
Razaq's second beam ball to Lee that almost took his head off Greig was speculating that first-class cricketers do not bowl 2 in an over, even if they are trying to bowl a yorker every ball.
The almost as the coverage goes to an ad break and Greig has his mike off, in the periphery you hear Greig cackling about it.
Anyone else, it would be funny, it still is, but double standards do exist, Greig is a w**nker. Everyone knows this anyhow...
BTW, Lee would be the last person you would bowl a head high delivery too. Imagine one at 150 k's. As it is, you see it late, you may only see his when it is 15 feet in front of your nose.
I would have loved Waqar to be on the microphone when it happened. He was a past master of the head high full toss.
Bombers_Forever
7 Feb 2005, 06:25
What Razzaq did was terrible and the reaction from the commentators was fair enough, but they did not react in the same way when Lee did it back to Razzaq. :rolleyes: At least Razzaq tried to apologise. Lee was very immature for doing that. You would not see McGrath, Dizzy and Kaspa react in that way.
Lee certainly used to bowl his fair share of those , maybe not directed at the head; but interesting to see his reaction from the recieving end rather that the bowler. At least he seems to have stopped bowling them now.
Lee retaliated in the Pakistan innings and bowled a throat high beema back at Razzaq. Didn't see the Razzaq bean balls, but Lee's was very dangerous.
Once again shows Lee is a complete poo for brains (wouldn't have seen McGrath or Gillespie bowl one back - maybe a bouncer or two but not a beema).
Just goes to show how immature that Lee W@nker is!!!
Effing tosser!!!!!!!!!!
Lee retaliated in the Pakistan innings and bowled a throat high beema back at Razzaq. Didn't see the Razzaq bean balls, but Lee's was very dangerous.
Disgraceful performance. At the very least Lee should explain himself to the match ref for unsportsmanlike conduct ... or does that gold pass he have from the selectors have wider reach?
Lee retaliated in the Pakistan innings and bowled a throat high beema back at Razzaq.
Rudi Koertzen wasn't impressed.
Bombers_Forever
7 Feb 2005, 09:32
Rudi Koertzen wasn't impressed.
Nor should he have been. That was deliberate- at least Razzaq showed some remorse.
pav_is_god
7 Feb 2005, 09:45
Some murders show remorse, does that make it any better?
Rudi was right to pull Razzaq out after his second beamer and I'm sure Lee would have been pulled out if he tried it a second time.
Some murders show remorse, does that make it any better?
You can't compare the two in any way (murder, full toss). Razzaq look like it slipped (manslaugter if you must, and remorse but even then I don't like this comparision), Lee's was 100% deliberate (murder and no remorse).
pav_is_god
7 Feb 2005, 10:12
You can't compare the two in any way (murder, full toss). Razzaq look like it slipped (manslaugter if you must, and remorse but even then I don't like this comparision), Lee's was 100% deliberate (murder and no remorse).
How can we really prove that it was deliberate though? I've bowled a few accidental beamers and never showed remorse. So all we've go to go on was that it was possible retaliation. Not enough, but if he did it a second time then Lee should have been given the @rse by Rudi.
How can we really prove that it was deliberate though? I've bowled a few accidental beamers and never showed remorse.
That says alot about your character, very weak. Lee's was hardly an accident, shows alot about his character as well. Accidents happen, Razaq apologised immediately, Lee, well his was bowled out of pure childishness, fairly pathetic and very unsportsman like. I suppose had he of hit, and Harper was the ump he would probably have got a LBW from it.
pav_is_god
7 Feb 2005, 10:22
That says alot about your character, very weak.
Pfft.
Bombers_Forever
7 Feb 2005, 10:25
That says alot about your character, very weak. Lee's was hardly an accident, shows alot about his character as well. Accidents happen, Razaq apologised immediately, Lee, well his was bowled out of pure childishness, fairly pathetic and very unsportsman like. I suppose had he of hit, and Harper was the ump he would probably have got a LBW from it.
Exactly.
How can we really prove that it was deliberate though? I've bowled a few accidental beamers and never showed remorse. So all we've go to go on was that it was possible retaliation. Not enough, but if he did it a second time then Lee should have been given the @rse by Rudi.
Simple it was a full toss head high at Razzaq first chance he got.
The Razzaq one was accidental, Lee was moving away and made it worse (not his fault) by playing at it, if he just let it go through to the keeper he wouldn't have slipped over. Lets not forget that Lee in the final over's during his batting was slipping over constantly as well.
Karbassiyoon
7 Feb 2005, 11:00
i was also wondering where waqar was at the time!
funkyfreo
7 Feb 2005, 11:52
Rudi was right to pull Razzaq out after his second beamer and I'm sure Lee would have been pulled out if he tried it a second time.
Which was the 1st beamer. I thought it was the full toss that hit lee on the ass - which last time I looked was below the waist. I thought that was a very ordinary call. Maybe Razzaq was trying to show the umps what a head high beamer looked like!
gibbering gerbil
7 Feb 2005, 12:04
bling lee is a big sooky.........with his head totally up his arse.
Just goes to show how immature that Lee W@nker is!!!
Effing tosser!!!!!!!!!!
Unlike people like yourself who behave in the best possible manner at all times :rolleyes:
PowerKop
7 Feb 2005, 12:54
What Lee did was totally not on, whether it happened to him or not. To dleiberately bowl a beamer and not apologise just shows what a prick he is. If i was playing with him i would be very embarrassed by Lee's actions. Absolute disrespect to the game and the opposition,
bling lee is a big sooky.........with his head totally up his arse.
Maybe, but I'd still rather talk to him than you.
Stafford678
7 Feb 2005, 13:25
razzaqa did not slip what a F*ing joke, if you bowl a beamer like he did and it so accurate like that you ment it, when the ball slips the ball tends to float more then speer into the batsmen
Bombers_Forever
7 Feb 2005, 13:31
What Lee did was totally not on, whether it happened to him or not. To dleiberately bowl a beamer and not apologise just shows what a prick he is. If i was playing with him i would be very embarrassed by Lee's actions. Absolute disrespect to the game and the opposition,
Exactly. I hope Ponting said something to him about it after the game. But there is not any discussion about it in the papers today, and was ignored after it happened by the 9 commentators.
Its rather amusing that this ball that was (according to some here) throat high was actually lower than the ball that Watson was dismissed on.
If i was Lee, i would have been disappointed that it didn't break Razzaq's hand.
Karbassiyoon
7 Feb 2005, 14:03
watson went out to a legal ball if you ask me - his knees were more bent than it appeared from front on
watson went out to a legal ball if you ask me - his knees were more bent than it appeared from front on
Having knees bent makes no difference. Umpires are taught early to make a mark in the crowd that is waist height to each batsman and if the ball goes above it, call no ball.
On marginal decisions the benefit of the doubt should go to the batsman. Watsons should have been called.
Karbassiyoon
7 Feb 2005, 14:22
Having knees bent makes no difference. Umpires are taught early to make a mark in the crowd that is waist height to each batsman and if the ball goes above it, call no ball.
On marginal decisions the benefit of the doubt should go to the batsman. Watsons should have been called.mark in the crowd? they have enough to watch
it wasn't a no ball
jaymin is the bulldogmike of the cricket board
so if somebody six foot seven comes mark in the crowd? they have enough to watch
it wasn't a no ball
jaymin is the bulldogmike of the cricket board
If somebody 6 foot seven comes to the crease, the square leg umpire looks at his waist, makes a mark in the crowd and if the ball goes over this mark it is called no ball. Its clearly not rocket science. If he bends his knees the mark doesn't change.
When the ball is being bowled the square leg umpire doesn't have a great deal to watch unless the keeper is up to the stumps.
Instead of making stupid comparisons, how about using some logic every now and then?
What Brett Lee did was fantastic, entertainment for the crowd. Ya don't get much anger & biffo in the game these days so i reckon it was good to see someone having a go. I wish it actually hit Razzaq to give him a lesson, crack his bloody skull open, then they would have had something to laugh about!!
funkyfreo
7 Feb 2005, 14:29
If somebody 6 foot seven comes to the crease, the square leg umpire looks at his waist, makes a mark in the crowd and if the ball goes over this mark it is called no ball. Its clearly not rocket science. If he bends his knees the mark doesn't change.
That is exactly Karbassiyoon's point. Because knees were bent, on TV it looks waist high, but it was below the "waist point" that the umpy has fixed in his mind.
That is exactly Karbassiyoon's point. Because knees were bent, on TV it looks waist high, but it was below the "waist point" that the umpy has fixed in his mind.
It was going to hit him in the ribs?!? His knees weren't touching the ground. The ABC commentators agreed. So did some of the channel 9 (but really, that probably takes credibility out of the equation)
thecoastingcoaster
7 Feb 2005, 14:33
Everyone take a step off your high horse.
For f*cks sake Razzaq bowled 2 high beamers that where not accident's, two in one over are'nt accident's.
Lee's one was extremley immature, but to say it would of killed him is just brain numbingly stupid.
Everyone take a step off your high horse.
For f*cks sake Razzaq bowled 2 high beamers that where not accident's, two in one over are'nt accident's.
Lee's one was extremley immature, but to say it would of killed him is just brain numbingly stupid.
Why would Razzaq bowl 2 deliberate so called beamer's? What is the point of it? From what I can remember the first was about waist high, the 2nd below the shoulder. Lee's was alot worse.
Maybe, but I'd still rather talk to him than you.
And we care about you because?
funkyfreo
7 Feb 2005, 14:41
Why would Razzaq bowl 2 deliberate so called beamer's? What is the point of it? From what I can remember the first was about waist high, the 2nd below the shoulder. Lee's was alot worse.
The 1st hit him on the bum - below the waist. Crickey you Aussies are a pack of whinging whinge bags. You wouldn't find more whinging from Dr Whinge who has just graduated with a PhD in whinging from the University of whinge!
funkyfreo
7 Feb 2005, 14:43
It was going to hit him in the ribs?!? His knees weren't touching the ground. The ABC commentators agreed. So did some of the channel 9 (but really, that probably takes credibility out of the equation)
I was more talking is response to saomeone saying that having knees bent was irrelevent, when it clearly is. Bat luck Watson - but a much less clear cut decision than Gillys LBW debacle.
thecoastingcoaster
7 Feb 2005, 14:46
Why would Razzaq bowl 2 deliberate so called beamer's? What is the point of it? From what I can remember the first was about waist high, the 2nd below the shoulder. Lee's was alot worse.
What's the point of it? You tell me and we'll both know.
Anyone I could'nt care less if Lee bowled 6 Beamers in a row to Razzaq.
Karbassiyoon
7 Feb 2005, 14:47
Everyone take a step off your high horse.
For f*cks sake Razzaq bowled 2 high beamers that where not accident's, two in one over are'nt accident's.
Lee's one was extremley immature, but to say it would of killed him is just brain numbingly stupid.
didn't you see what happened to mark vermuelen last summer? and that ball hit the pitch!
What's the point of it? You tell me and we'll both know.
Anyone I could'nt care less if Lee bowled 6 Beamers in a row to Razzaq. My point is he didn't mean it, I reckon he was going for the yorker and stuffed up. Their is no good reason why he would do it, thus accidental.
Lee's one was extremley immature, but to say it would of killed him is just brain numbingly stupid.
Not just immature but plain bloody stupid, worse thing you can do on a cricket field IMO. If you don't think beam balls bowled at 150kms are dangerous then you are an ignorant fool.
Not just immature but plain bloody stupid, worse thing you can do on a cricket field IMO. If you don't think beam balls bowled at 150kms are dangerous then you are an ignorant fool.
I'd say the stupidest thing you can do on a cricket field is bowl 2 beam balls at a guy that can bowl 150km/hr.
I could'nt care less if Lee bowled 6 Beamers in a row to Razzaq.
Yep, complete moron.
I'd say the stupidest thing you can do on a cricket field is bowl 2 beam balls at a guy that can bowl 150km/hr.
I'm not defending Razzaq here, his second beam ball to Lee was disgraceful also. But to deliberately retaliate on national television the way he did he should have been dealt with by the match referee... they both should have been fined!
I'm not defending Razzaq here, his second beam ball to Lee was disgraceful also. But to deliberately retaliate on national television the way he did he should have been dealt with by the match referee... they both should have been fined!
Maybe he slipped and forgot to apologise! :p
PowerKop
7 Feb 2005, 15:06
What Lee did sums up many of the Australian players and the manner in which they play their cricket. Hopefully the Poms can deflate some of the over-inflated egos of some of our players.
Cooldude
7 Feb 2005, 16:23
What's the point of it? You tell me and we'll both know.
Anyone I could'nt care less if Lee bowled 6 Beamers in a row to Razzaq.
I guess you wouldn't careless if Brett Lee bowls 6 beamers at anyone I can name then? Let me see... what if Brett Lee bowls 6 at you, you wouldn't care still, would you?
What Razzaq did was stupid, but Brett Lee's response was even worse.
thecoastingcoaster
7 Feb 2005, 17:13
Yep, complete moron.
Yeah that mean's a lot coming from a Collingwood supporter.
thecoastingcoaster
7 Feb 2005, 17:16
I guess you wouldn't careless if Brett Lee bowls 6 beamers at anyone I can name then? Let me see... what if Brett Lee bowls 6 at you, you wouldn't care still, would you?
What Razzaq did was stupid, but Brett Lee's response was even worse.
If I bowled 2 at him I would expect one myself.
Cooldude
7 Feb 2005, 18:03
If I bowled 2 at him I would expect one myself.
Good to see you completely avoiding the question of would you care now that it's been bowled at you?
And that post there just shows your immature way of thinking, along with Brett Lee's
thecoastingcoaster
7 Feb 2005, 20:09
Good to see you completely avoiding the question of would you care now that it's been bowled at you?
And that post there just shows your immature way of thinking, along with Brett Lee's
Get the f*ck off your moral high ground.
eddiesmith
7 Feb 2005, 20:53
The first one was not a no ball, it was below waist high but different rules for Aussies
The 2nd one clearly slipped, it was down legside and an absolute shocker. If it was deliberate it would have been straighter. Beamers are great fun to bowl at training but I would never bowl one in a game
As for Watson, Jaymin, get some :-):-):-):-)ing glasses as you obviously cant see right. It was just above waist high and his knees were bent. Just because he is a typical QLD sook doesnt mean the decision was wrong. It was the right call so get over it
Cooldude
7 Feb 2005, 21:33
Get the f*ck off your moral high ground.
The more you post, the more you prove that you're the clueless moron that you are
Funny thing is he doesn't realise this.
ross gibbs
8 Feb 2005, 08:44
Whether Razzaq deliberately bowled them or not at least he was contrite. Lee on the other hand made no attempt at all to make it look like anything else than deliberate.
Lee is a fool.
dutchy12
8 Feb 2005, 15:50
Honestly I thought it was one of the highlights in a very boring series. Bit of violence is good for the cricketers.
Will never forget Roy telling Waqar to f**k off in the World Cup
thecoastingcoaster
8 Feb 2005, 16:01
The more you post, the more you prove that you're the clueless moron that you are
Clueless about what? I agree I do stupid posts from time to time and that Razzaq one was pretty brainless, but I thought it was ridiculous how everyone was making out he was closed to being killed.
Fred Yeomans
8 Feb 2005, 16:02
Didn't Tony Greig bowl the beamer that nearly killed Graeme Watson back in 1971/72?
Cassius_Clay
8 Feb 2005, 18:31
that was funny when brett lee returned the favour and bowled a beamer at razzaq. Great stuff.
Cassius_Clay
8 Feb 2005, 18:31
Whether Razzaq deliberately bowled them or not at least he was contrite. Lee on the other hand made no attempt at all to make it look like anything else than deliberate.
Lee is a fool.
no he just returned the favour.
Cooldude
9 Feb 2005, 00:19
that was funny when brett lee returned the favour and bowled a beamer at razzaq. Great stuff.
Oh no! A moron reunion's emerging in this thread!