sensing murder

[Stafford678]

how much of a crock, is these chicks who think they can see what happened , does anyone actually believe this people can see what happened or "sense" what was going on

[Munga]

On the other hand, why do you think it is a crock?

[Stafford678]

it looked so dodgey, like set up, when they had those psycics on

[bunsen burner]

does anyone actually believe this people can see what happened or "sense" what was going onYep. Just an opinion, but yes. I believe 99% of psychics and and fortune tellers are charlatans, but I'm very confident some of powers that most don't have.

[Pessimistic]

The area is ripe for charlatans but I believe there is some truth in it.

Perhaps in the next 50 years it will become scientific fact

[Pessimistic]

What about Biblical "Miracles" - same thing ?

[bunsen burner]

What about Biblical "Miracles" - same thing ?Different. Very different.

A view a psychic as some who has stonger senses. Maybe even someone who is able to access something that we all have within us. Maybe like the theory that we only use roughly 10% of our brain capacity and no one knows why and most of us don't seem to be able to access larger amounts. Maybe it's the same with senses.

Channel 10 simply couldn't be setting this up - unless they have the police in their pockets as I believe on some episodes police are involved. Also, from many reports of other psychics around the world helping solve crime, there is enough evidence to suggest there's something here that as humans we don't yet fully understand.

Parting an ocean and turning water into wine is not only different and can't really be compared, but a complete load of balls. One's about enhanced and accute senses, the other is about magic/bulls hit.

[Magpiespower]

Undoubtadely, the most disgusting show ever put to air. How anyone could turn these tragic deaths into a circus is beyond me.

You want a real-life example of psychics/clairvoyants in murder/missing person investigations?

Check the Beaumont's case and all the trouble one idiot in particular caused.

[Colonel Matrix]

The day they actually solve a case and a person is convicted, is the day i might, stress might, show some belief in the psychics.

Sad day for Rebecca Gibney, she really must be struggling to get a gig?

[- PC -]

I watched the first show with interest and some amazement, till I realised the male psychic had written books on missing persons etc. It then dawned on me he was remembering research he had done. It was further confirmed when there was a break of a few weeks and he came very close to what happened. Made for an interesting show anyway. And to say a body is in a rubbish removal centre is an easy out.

But then again....... they may be right..as posted until a body is found then I will look for reasons why they arent psychic than they are.

[NorthBhoy]

Channel 10 simply couldn't be setting this up -

Of course they could!!!!

I watched it last night. Enjoyed the first 30 minutes.

Then the phsycic mumbo jumbo kicked in. Absolute trash. They are incredibly vague, sprout generic babble. She has walked to the house (the one they dropped her in front of) and said " I sense something terrible happened here". No ********. You are on 'Sensing Murder' you hoaxing cow.

They take about 5 minutes all up from what could be days of footage. It's the same principle as Nostradamus. Speak enough tripe and some of it will sound extremely magical. It is not. They are intelligent people who know how general they can be while being specific. I watched it with my GF's grandfather a few weeks ago, and as a Psycholigist who has worked on crimes with police for about 43 years, he has come across these types many time.

He was in tears for most of the 60 minutes. Laughable rubbish.

[bunsen burner]

Of course they could!!!!

I watched it last night. Enjoyed the first 30 minutes.

Then the phsycic mumbo jumbo kicked in. Absolute trash. They are incredibly vague, sprout generic babble. She has walked to the house (the one they dropped her in front of) and said " I sense something terrible happened here". No ********. You are on 'Sensing Murder' you hoaxing cow.

They take about 5 minutes all up from what could be days of footage. It's the same principle as Nostradamus. Speak enough tripe and some of it will sound extremely magical. It is not. They are intelligent people who know how general they can be while being specific. I watched it with my GF's grandfather a few weeks ago, and as a Psycholigist who has worked on crimes with police for about 43 years, he has come across these types many time.

He was in tears for most of the 60 minutes. Laughable rubbish.The bit where the guy pulled those figures out from birthdates was just pure rubbish.

I'd still be surpised if they've gone to that much extent to lie to people, including the police. Last night's show was crap because they were vague on the evidence and didn't really make any clear conclusions. But if you watched it last week, they came up with clear discriptions and names of the offenders.

It is possible that channel 10 did some investigative enquiries and somehow found out who some of the suspects were, or who some locals thought did it and fixed the episode to allege these people were responsible. But that just sounds too far fetched - even more far fetched than the psychics being genuine.

To almost frame someone for murder on national TV with fabricated evidence (even if it isn't really evidence) would be criminal. You can't get someone to pretend they're a psychic and lie that they have seen specific people committ a murder on national TV. News channels have done some dodgy stuff in the past but I don't believe they'd cross this line.

And there are cases acroos the globe where psychics have been successful in helping solve murder cases. If I was a detective and had run out of leads I'd have a look at it with an open mind.

[starz]

I've never believed in psychics but after watching the show 2 weeks in a row, i think those 2 ladies do have a sixth sense (a gut feeling) of some sort. Either that or they have insider information.
The only bit that seems a bit dodgy is where they get dropped off, (close proximity the locations of the murders). But from there they do really well.
I dunno what to believe... it's pretty believable though.

[bunsen burner]

I've never believed in psychics but after watching the show 2 weeks in a row, i think those 2 ladies do have a sixth sense (a gut feeling) of some sort. Either that or they have insider information.
The only bit that seems a bit dodgy is where they get dropped off, (close proximity the locations of the murders). But from there they do really well.
I dunno what to believe... it's pretty believable though.It will be interesting if anything comes about with last nights episode. They pretty heavily pointed the finger at the adulterous husband and alleged that some in the town are trying to cover for him as he is from one of the 5 wealthy local families. They also implied that maybe the coroner or police may have been influenced when finalising their findings.

Will be interested if they take legal action against ch 10. Then we might get an insight into how trustworthy ch 10s journalism is regarding this show.

I vaguely remember them saying we could go and sign an online petition to get them to reopen the case. I might go find it. Ch 10 were certainly pushing the envelope and claimed to have new evidence that isn't psychic related. I might go sign it. I'm interested in not only what happened in this case but also want to hear what people have to say about the credibility of these psychics and in particular ch 10.

[bunsen burner]

http://www.ten.com.au/main_idx.aspx?section=promo&promoID=260

(you have to find "the last train home" episode)

I'm thinking of ringing them up and saying by touching the picture of the identikit I'm starting to sense a name......I'm getting something starting with D.......Davo.....Dwayne......no......Dean!...that's it!......Dean Laidley!

[starz]

The detectives that are on the case are also co-operating with the show,& i'm pretty sure ch10 would have the legal aspect covered.
One thing i noticed about last nights show is the house where the murders happened.
The feel for the poor owners living in a house like that, and now the whole country knows what went down in there. I guess the value of that house will take a nose-dive after last nights show.

[starz]

It's not on next week, was that the last episode?

[bunsen burner]

The detectives that are on the case are also co-operating with the show,& i'm pretty sure ch10 would have the legal aspect covered.
I suppose it is possible that the police have told 10 and the psychics that they have firm suspects, just no evidence so have agreed to give some tip offs to try flush out people who do know something. It's still a pretty long bow though.

In the Toowoomba case they might have told the psychics the names, descriptions, and tattoo design of the people they felt were responsible. Would a psychic agree to it though? Sort of like admitting that they are a sham.


One thing i noticed about last nights show is the house where the murders happened.
The feel for the poor owners living in a house like that, and now the whole country knows what went down in there. I guess the value of that house will take a nose-dive after last nights show.Whole island would have known anyway. The chances of any prospective buyer recognising it down the track is reasonably slim.

[bunsen burner]

It's not on next week, was that the last episode?No idea. Might say something on that link I posted.

[starz]

I suppose it is possible that the police have told 10 and the psychics that they have firm suspects, just no evidence so have agreed to give some tip offs to try flush out people who do know something. It's still a pretty long bow though.

In the Toowoomba case they might have told the psychics the names, descriptions, and tattoo design of the people they felt were responsible. Would a psychic agree to it though? Sort of like admitting that they are a sham.

Whole island would have known anyway. The chances of any prospective buyer recognising it down the track is reasonably slim.
Yea true.
One thing is for sure.. those psychics are going to be in demand.
Pity they couldn't sense the murders before it happened... Only Johnny Smith can do that (from the dead zone).

[NorthBhoy]

[QUOTE]The bit where the guy pulled those figures out from birthdates was just pure rubbish.

It was funny though.

I'd still be surpised if they've gone to that much extent to lie to people, including the police. Last night's show was crap because they were vague on the evidence and didn't really make any clear conclusions. But if you watched it last week, they came up with clear discriptions and names of the offenders.

I don't think they are lying as such, just wig wearing spooky types who can sound weird, and are smart enough to say nothing while appearing to be psychic.

It is possible that channel 10 did some investigative enquiries and somehow found out who some of the suspects were, or who some locals thought did it and fixed the episode to allege these people were responsible. But that just sounds too far fetched - even more far fetched than the psychics being genuine.

I don't think they set it up either (in the sense that the psychics are reading an auto-cue etc etc). I was about 5 when this happened, but I know that photo of the young girl who was murdered. I may know a little more that most about murder inquiries etc etc, but I don't think it's hard to believe these people have had some knowledge of these cases before they appear on the show. I don't think Ch 10 would set it all up, for I don't think they would need to.

I think the allegations (that they cleverly made, without really making them) were brought upon by actual, physical evidence that clearly was at odds with the original findings. The handbag, the laughably placed evidence, the tide levels when Vivienne was supposed to have commited suicide, the knife type and the most compelling fact, and one my GF's grandfather said 5 minutes in, that it is not a women's crime. It is frightfully rare that woman would commit a horribly violent crime like that, hours after the original anger of finding out about the affair.

To almost frame someone for murder on national TV with fabricated evidence (even if it isn't really evidence) would be criminal. You can't get someone to pretend they're a psychic and lie that they have seen specific people committ a murder on national TV. News channels have done some dodgy stuff in the past but I don't believe they'd cross this line.

But they didn't lie. They didn't speak the truth either. They simply sprouted the same old general, thought provoking, spookey stuff. Channel 10 have done it very well.

And there are cases acroos the globe where psychics have been successful in helping solve murder cases. If I was a detective and had run out of leads I'd have a look at it with an open mind.

To simply smash to bits everything I have said on this thread, I would too!!!

The Cops more than occasionly run out of ideas, and I see no harm in using someone who might (more by pure arse than by design) lead them to a path that might help them out. No problem with it really, I just don;t believe in it;s value and I definately have seen nothing on sensing murder that changes my mind.

[bunsen burner]

I definately have seen nothing on sensing murder that changes my mind.Did you watch last week's episode?

Was much different to this one. I'd agree this episode was dodgy and didn't tell us much except for vague feelings. In the previous episode the psychics:

- gave clear descriptions of the offenders, including a tattoo one sported, and a nickname.
- Both psychics were dropped off on a country road 200m from the crime scene and both walked through bush and pinpointed the crime scene
- Both provided information on what happened in the murder and how the girls were killed

Either they know an extraordinary amount about the case prior or have psychic ability.

[NorthBhoy]

Did you watch last week's episode?

Was much different to this one. I'd agree this episode was dodgy and didn't tell us much except for vague feelings. In the previous episode the psychics:

- gave clear descriptions of the offenders, including a tattoo one sported, and a nickname.
- Both psychics were dropped off on a country road 200m from the crime scene and both walked through bush and pinpointed the crime scene
- Both provided information on what happened in the murder and how the girls were killed

Either they know an extraordinary amount about the case prior or have psychic ability.

Yeah, I think I saw parts of it.

From memory:

They mentioned a tattoo. It was a group of young country blokes, who obviously had a violent streak. The odds they had tatts would be pretty good IMO. As for the nickname.....Most Aussie bloke have a nickname.

I did see the part where they were walking around the crime scene after being dropped 200 metres from the area. It simply has to be remembered that these people have all day to wander around. It can't be assumed that these things are done correctly straight away, and if you filmed a psychic walking near a crime scene all day, I can be damn sure they would get near the place at some point.

From memory, they said that the women who killed by a heavy object to the head..? You have a few options to choose from when claiming to be having psychic thoughts regarding the method of the crime. It is probably as specific and correct as I have found.

I think I believe in the abilities of a TV station and smart producers to make it seem they are psychic more than I believe in the skills of the psychics themselves. It's more about my inability to believe anything portrayed as special by a commercial TV station desperate for ratings than judging the people themselves.

[bunsen burner]

They mentioned a tattoo. It was a group of young country blokes, who obviously had a violent streak. The odds they had tatts would be pretty good IMO. It was a bit more specific than that. One guy had heaps of tattoos but they kept on focussing on a tat of a snake. My guess is this is the guy's nickname.

It's quite possible that the psychics have read a book that mentions this snake guy as a suspect or make read police files on it. Whether this be the case or they actual did psyche this all up is the question.

As for the nickname.....Most Aussie bloke have a nickname. A specific nickname though. They actually named the bloke. They went and asked around town and people knew the bloke of that nickname, he fitted the description, and was seen at a party the girls attended before they were murdered.

That's not being vague at all. Either they've been given specific info beforehand or they have psychic powers. It's absolutely not a case of making broad general statements.

I did see the part where they were walking around the crime scene after being dropped 200 metres from the area. It simply has to be remembered that these people have all day to wander around. It can't be assumed that these things are done correctly straight away, and if you filmed a psychic walking near a crime scene all day, I can be damn sure they would get near the place at some point. Err, no. Highly unlikely. It is not assumed that they found it straight away. These woman would have been filmed for long periods of time and would have made claims that were innacurate and edited out, but to suggest they walked around for hours on end going "Yep, this feels like it" until the news crew said, "yes, you've got it" is unlikely.


I think I believe in the abilities of a TV station and smart producers to make it seem they are psychic more than I believe in the skills of the psychics themselves. It's more about my inability to believe anything portrayed as special by a commercial TV station desperate for ratings than judging the people themselves.These people have to know something. They are the cream of the crop. One of them regularly helps out NSWPF and others are recognised leaders in their field. I'm sure they have tricks as do ch 10, but they can't be complete charlatans. Ch 10 would work them out.