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WaDsY
2 Mar 2005, 09:53
Eagles punters do study.
02 March 2005 Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan

"THE educated money continues to come for West Coast.

The Eagles are on the fourth line of betting for the flag at $8. That's tight for a team that hasn't won a final since 1999.

They have been backed in from $21 without winning a game with any relevance to the premiership race.

The rationale is pretty simple, really. The team that finished eighth last year has regained Michael Gardiner (three games in 2004) and secured Tyson Stenglein, perhaps the best run-with player in the game.

Then there's Ben Cousins. The skipper played 17 of a possible 23 games last year, but never seemed right physically, missing six games with a back/hamstring problem late in the season.

Cousins and Gardiner are All-Australian, Stenglein finished second and third in best-and-fairests in Adelaide.

He is tall (189cm), has extraordinary endurance and is both brave and strong over the ball. He also happens to be only 24.

The Eagles as a group are young – Drew Banfield is the senior citizen at 31 – and tall – eight senior players stand 194cm or more.

Talking of eight, that's how many youngsters made their debut at West Coast in 2004, with an extraordinary total of four scoring Rising Star nominations.

They also have the tasty mix of 12 games at Subiaco Oval and four at the MCG.

It's hard not to be excited about West Coast.

It won 13 of 22 home-and-away games last year, beat the Brisbane Lions twice, and also had wins over Sydney, Geelong, Essendon and Melbourne.

That's good form. Not many teams of recent years can boast they went through a year without losing to Brisbane.

The Eagles surged into the finals, winning eight of their last nine games.

The solitary loss came against Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium, and they scored 31 times to Port's 22.

West Coast has a super midfield: the much-improved Dean Cox in ruck, with Cousins, Chad Fletcher, Daniel Kerr, Andrew Embley, Michael Braun and a young chap with a Brownlow Medal to his name, Chris Judd, at ground level.

Cox, a towering 204cm, is a nephew of former East Perth and North Melbourne powerhouse Richard Michalczyk.

He's much taller and obviously has more reliable hamstrings.

Gardiner and Mark Seaby are on standby. The plan will be to protect Gardiner from centre-square work, but he will be more than handy at ball-ups and boundary throw-ins inside the forward 50.

The only query on the Eagles at full strength is the defence.

Key defenders Darren Glass and Quinten Lynch took huge strides last year, but have to do it all again.

The cavalier David Wirrpunda or the veteran Banfield will play back pocket.

Banfield is safer, but Wirrpunda's dash and value as the designated kicker after a behind probably gives him the edge.

Up the other end, Gardiner or Ashley Hansen will play centre half-forward, with Andrew McDougall at full-forward, flanked by Phillip Matera and Ashley Sampi.

Scary, really.

Matera is an under-rated performer: a small (171cm) permanent forward who kicks 60 goals a year.

Sampi's returns aren't quite as good, but he is a brilliant player going into his fourth season at 21.

The more one studies the West Coast list, the more convinced you are that it is poised to take a major step forward.

If the Eagles can score a top-four finish, which seems likely, they are going to be a lot tighter than $8 for the 2005 premiership.

My query is whether they are yet seasoned enough to win finals. They have been eliminated in the first week of the past three finals series and most recently won a final in 1999. They actually haven't been much chop in finals since the premiership year of 1994.

EXPECTED FINISH: 3-5"


Makes some very good points, I wouldnt disagree with much of that. He is the only Victorian scribe that actually studies interstate sides properly. Others make stupid statements without the proper research.

Bring on 05

E2EK1EL
2 Mar 2005, 11:51
I just hope we get a home final..

SonOfReep
2 Mar 2005, 12:10
Good summary which has gotten me all excited about Friday now.

joshieboy
2 Mar 2005, 12:54
IMO the eagles have the type of team that fits in nicely. Go a great array of talls and smalls, experienced heads and young bloods. My only critisim is that too many players only have one dimention to their game. You can not shuffle too much. The backs can really only play back, the midfield can only play midfield (with one exeption) and forwards must stay forward.

The only real player that could go anywhere on the ground is Embley and maybe Judd although wouldn't be keen to see Chris go into the back half.

You cant really pull a rabbit out of a hat and put Wirra 1 out in the forward line for example.

noodle
2 Mar 2005, 13:43
not entirely true joshieboy. most of our midfielders can be rested in the forward line with great success as most of them are quite attacking in their style of play.

other than that we've got lynch, staker and waters who in their short careers have proved that they can deliver at both ends of the ground. chick and wirra can also play both ends.

my big worry is our inability to play well when we travel. to win the premiership we MUST play well interstate. i'm hoping it is something that the boys learn with experience.

grean
2 Mar 2005, 16:54
mike sheahan?
oh great.

good combo of youth and vets
though a few senoir talls would be more important.
good youngish teams like saints and geelong have atleast one expirienced big guy.
I think it tells alot come finals time. Generally your more senoir players come out to shine, ie Banfield last year. It is much easier to influence a game as a big marking foward, than a nuggety defender.

Hopefully Gardiner can become this focal point. But it will take time.

as for travel I think tis a big concern, Dome is so small, as is the scg.
Luckily we get more than one game at the MCG for once. But then people say we over use the width of the ground.
I dont know what it is but when we're away we just look flat.

The eagles were tipped for top 4 last year too.

blah blah blah

end

Exeter
2 Mar 2005, 17:51
Times change.

Our squad is older (marginally), more experienced, more settled and has more depth. Competition for spots will be intense so non-performance will be harshly dealt with.

I'm confident we'll step up this year

Goldenblue
2 Mar 2005, 18:17
I think he under rated our defence a bit, as I rate Glass a premier backman who has founch his niche and game playing with the Eagles.

He was in great form last season and I feel that form is something we will see for many years to come. Glass did not just have a good year, Glass is now showing what the recruiters saw in him.

94_Eagles
2 Mar 2005, 19:00
I always liked that Mr Sheahan.

Black JuJu
2 Mar 2005, 19:10
He rates our forward line too highly and fails to point out the huge question marks looming over CHF, CHB and FF.

Still a mid table side until we have quality players in those positions.

Whether that is Gardiner, Staker/Lynch and McDougall is still very much up in the air.

Oh and Stenglein ain't the best tagger around.

All in all it sounds too much like it was written by one of the headcase Eagles fans on bigfooty (no, not Mead, an unhinged one).

B-P-B
2 Mar 2005, 19:42
People here seem to have forgotten that Mike hasn't tipped us to make the finals in all of Woosha's years as coach, and last year tipped Hawthorn to be contenders...

Nice to hear he rates us, but don't look at it like it's divine approval.

WaDsY
2 Mar 2005, 19:58
People here seem to have forgotten that Mike hasn't tipped us to make the finals in all of Woosha's years as coach, and last year tipped Hawthorn to be contenders...

...scaping into the 8 then getting knocked out of the finals in the first week every year and then eventually finishing 8th in every one of wooshas year, probably justify's why he hasnt picked us to make the 8.

he isnt the worst out there and i think his whole review is quite acurate..

Jimmy_the_Gent
2 Mar 2005, 20:11
People here seem to have forgotten that Mike hasn't tipped us to make the finals in all of Woosha's years as coach, and last year tipped Hawthorn to be contenders...

Nice to hear he rates us, but don't look at it like it's divine approval.

I second.

daddy_4_eyes
2 Mar 2005, 20:26
Sheahan's opinion isn't held in particularly high regard by footy fans in Victoria. He tends to state the obvious, and at times it seems like he trawls internet footy forums to get his material. This piece in particular sounds as if he's just regurgitating what has been written on bigfooty in recent weeks.

jod23
3 Mar 2005, 06:43
Sheahan isnt exactly the god of football but its nice to know he rates us. To be honest I dont really care what the experts say. When it comes to WC, Im an expert and I know what we need to do, how we need to do it and how good we are and can be without the help of Sheahan or any other so called "expert"

noodle
3 Mar 2005, 13:43
People here seem to have forgotten that Mike hasn't tipped us to make the finals in all of Woosha's years as coach, and last year tipped Hawthorn to be contenders...


kiss of death?

Crow-mosone
3 Mar 2005, 23:38
Eagles punters do study.
02 March 2005 Herald Sun
Mike Sheahan

They have been eliminated in the first week of the past three finals series and most recently won a final in 1999. They actually haven't been much chop in finals since the premiership year of 1994.



I wonder when TP's going to write to him? :p

southjoy
4 Mar 2005, 15:57
He rates our forward line too highly and fails to point out the huge question marks looming over CHF, CHB and FF.

Still a mid table side until we have quality players in those positions.

Whether that is Gardiner, Staker/Lynch and McDougall is still very much up in the air.

Oh and Stenglein ain't the best tagger around.

All in all it sounds too much like it was written by one of the headcase Eagles fans on bigfooty (no, not Mead, an unhinged one).

Exactly.
Couldn't agree more! We need our KPP to stand up and be counted. Yes Gardy is a great Ruckman but the question is can he be a great CHF/FF. I personally like him out of a pocket with a license to roam.
The only thing I slightly differ on is Steinglen. Your right he ain't the best negating tagger but he would be close to best run with player. ( ie Play close tagging footy but also get the ball himself and use it)