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astro_toby
7 Mar 2005, 21:46
hey Crow folk , a question to settle some discussion....
Did Kane Johnson ever win All Australian selection while at Adelaide - And how well rated was he during his time at your club. Do you wish he was still there? or do you think he has stayed much the same, or gotten better while at Richmond. Honest opinions appreciated
Also, how is Jason Torney been for you guys? do you guys rate him or not really
iceman21
7 Mar 2005, 22:07
I dont think he got all australian but not too sure.
As to how he was rated? He was a gun (just look at his finals performances) the only problem was getting him on the ground, he had a few injuries and a few off field incidents. I would love to still have him at the club as I recon they would have looked at him to be part of the leadership group at this stage of his career. He hasn't had it as easy at Richmond as he has been under a lot more pressure to perform as the "gun" recruit and hasn't had as many gun midfielders around him.
Torney has been O.K but far too injury prone, average to good performer and honest hard worker but not in the same class as Kane
No. Johnson never achieved AA selection whilst at the Crows.
How highly was he rated? I'd say that by the time of his final year with us, Johnson was considered our fourth best midfielder - behind Ricciuto, McLeod and Goodwin.
Do you wish he was still there? or do you think he has stayed much the same, or gotten better while at Richmond. Honest opinions appreciated
What the other guys have already said - he was a very, very good player for us. I don't think he has improved at Richmond as anyone would struggle a bit there over the last couple of years. That's no slight though as he has continued to be a very good player, and no offence but Richmond have been ordinary.
I think that he has been your best player over the last two years. Couglan was great in 2003 but was injured virtually all last season. I wish Kane was still with us, he runs hard, wins a hard ball and he has a penetrating kick. I would be surprised if he wasn't named captain.
While Adelaide's midfield is still rated, and always will be with the likes of McLeod, Ricuttio and Goodwin, I think people under-estimate the loss of both Bickley and Johnson. These guys weren't as speccy as some others but they played a key role in our success.
Don't think there is any doubt what so ever that Kane would have succeeded the Roo as captain if he had have remained.
Torney is held very highly by most of the Crow faithful but like as has been said by others injuries seem to be a curse on him ( mostly caused by his courageous acts on the field)
Our delivery into the forward line has never been the same since Kane Johnson left. He is a class player.
Kane Johnson didn't get AA selection in the 7 years he was with us.
He played in a premiership in his 25th game of senior footy........a second in his 37th game........not a bad start for a young fella. He was instrumental in getting us back into the game against the Bulldogs in the '97 PF.....and fantastic in the second half of the '98 GF.
He played 104 games out of a possible 166.....thats a 62% selection strike rate........which IMO isn't/wasn't good enough for a top line midfielder. There is no doubt he is a class act and his delivery to the forwards was Jarman-like....but my only query was the amount of games he was available for.
I dont think he got all australian but not too sure.
As to how he was rated? He was a gun (just look at his finals performances) the only problem was getting him on the ground, he had a few injuries and a few off field incidents. I would love to still have him at the club as I recon they would have looked at him to be part of the leadership group at this stage of his career. He hasn't had it as easy at Richmond as he has been under a lot more pressure to perform as the "gun" recruit and hasn't had as many gun midfielders around him.
Torney has been O.K but far too injury prone, average to good performer and honest hard worker but not in the same class as Kane
Johnson - 104 games out of a possible 166...thats 62%
Torney - 30 games out of a possible 46....thats 65%
sure there's a difference in class.....but not absence thru injury....in fact on that front - Torney edges ahead..... ;)
SaveFeriss
8 Mar 2005, 09:30
Johnson will be named Richmond's Captain for season 2005 within the next 10 days.
Cove Cobra
8 Mar 2005, 09:43
Our delivery into the forward line has never been the same since Kane Johnson left. He is a class player.
Agreed.
Excellent exponent of the 'link-man' game.
Sorely missed by all and sundry at A.F.C.
Our delivery into the forward line has never been the same since Kane Johnson left. He is a class player.
I never realized just how good Kane was with his delivery, either by hand or foot, until he'd left us. He wastes so little of the ball, compared to some of our other current players.
Bloody good player, and real skipper material IMO.
Markthirtytwo
8 Mar 2005, 12:22
I didnt think we would miss Sugar when he left but his attack on the ball and his disposal, our club is lacking without him. Sorely missed.
Torney a good honest worker without Kanes ability.
Kane McGoodwin
8 Mar 2005, 12:32
I always rated Sugar highly. A smart footballer with fantastic vision & rarely panicked or wasted a dispoal. Certainly captaincy material.
JT has been a handy acquisition & whilst not is Sugar's class, should be in our best-22. Unfortunately of late, he has been having injury problems.
Bentleigh
8 Mar 2005, 12:35
Must be captain. Gun.
Capitalist
8 Mar 2005, 13:01
ok all I have to say is
97 Prelim - 1 minute to go - perfect kick hits jars on the ****** from 30 metres
not much else is needed to be said really that expalins how much we miss him
Stiffy_18
8 Mar 2005, 16:40
Our delivery into the forward line has never been the same since Kane Johnson left. He is a class player.
Couldn't have said it better.
Can we have him back now?????? Please?????? :)
Kane McGoodwin
8 Mar 2005, 18:53
Our delivery into the forward line has never been the same since Kane Johnson left. He is a class player.
Very true.
I see some similarity with Reilly's use of the ball, so I'm hoping he can start to pick up some of the slack.
missionpossible
8 Mar 2005, 19:44
He was under rated at the crows and the fact that most probably ranked him in the top five says a lot to how good he was. He was a natural tough nut with good disposal by foot in particular.
I use to decide whether to tip the crows according to if he was playing. It would be of interest to see the win/loss ratio of when he played and when he didn't.
At richmond he does not have the same impact on a game as he did on the crows and seemed to get sucked into the short game richmond played last year. Now this may have been because he was following instructions. Richmond has been able to get him on the park more often though, maybe the lack of long kicking is good for his hamstrings.
I dont think there is a club who wouldnt welcome him with open arms.
Kane Johnson didn't get AA selection in the 7 years he was with us.
He was included in a Victorian State of Origin squad (98 or 99?), but he did'nt play due to injury. I think if he had of played that would have helped to push his case for AA selection.
backtobackglory
8 Mar 2005, 23:41
yes he was definately a gun, he was a rare mixture of true class and hard at it in and under ball getter that can win games off his own boot. he always looked like he had heaps of time and as for his injuries a lot of them were caused by the way he attacked the ball. his fearless attack on the pill was second only to mark bickley (there is none better), body on the line for the team.
outback jack
9 Mar 2005, 00:00
Very true.
I see some similarity with Reilly's use of the ball, so I'm hoping he can start to pick up some of the slack.
reilly doesnt have that hardness and long flat kick though
drakeyv2
9 Mar 2005, 08:20
We wouldn't have missed him as much if we had taken Daniel Wells!
Very good, underated player. Tigers are fortunate to have him.
The Toolman
10 Mar 2005, 17:32
Best player to ever leave our nest!
NikkiNoo
10 Mar 2005, 17:34
Best player to ever leave our nest!
hmm I disagree - he was very important part of our midfield structure (every team needs a good receiver ;) ) But I would think the title of best player to leave may be one shaun rehn?
The Toolman
10 Mar 2005, 17:40
hmm I disagree - he was very important part of our midfield structure (every team needs a good receiver ;) ) But I would think the title of best player to leave may be one shaun rehn?
Yeah...accept Rehny was past it and a risk. I know Kane had his injury trouble, but he is still in his prime. Our movement into the forward line hasn't been the same since. And don't go down that receiver path....he was a hard nut!
NikkiNoo
10 Mar 2005, 18:00
Yeah...accept Rehny was past it and a risk. I know Kane had his injury trouble, but he is still in his prime. Our movement into the forward line hasn't been the same since. And don't go down that receiver path....he was a hard nut!
well I thought shaun was actually over his main injury problems, it was personality problems that were the catalyst. :( To me Kane was more an injury risk - he had and will always have dodgy hamstrings that need very careful management. I was a great admirer of his playing ability and his value to our team. But Shaun was well and truely the heart and soul of the club and to lose him was to me a greater loss
on kane I agree that he was tough but in reality he is a receiver and I said all good teams need one. The problem I had with him going to richmond was would they use him correctly - I don't think they did, they tried to turn him into an in and under midfielder and all the answers to their problems. It remains to be seen if wallets actually plays him in his correct position.
Good midfielders I think are much easier to find / get than a dominant ruckman - hence why we have drafted a large number of ruckman in the hope that one or two will develop properly. So that's what I base my reasoning on
macca23
10 Mar 2005, 18:10
well I thought shaun was actually over his main injury problems, it was personality problems that were the catalyst. :( To me Kane was more an injury risk - he had and will always have dodgy hamstrings that need very careful management. I was a great admirer of his playing ability and his value to our team. But Shaun was well and truely the heart and soul of the club and to lose him was to me a greater loss
on kane I agree that he was tough but in reality he is a receiver and I said all good teams need one. The problem I had with him going to richmond was would they use him correctly - I don't think they did, they tried to turn him into an in and under midfielder and all the answers to their problems. It remains to be seen if wallets actually plays him in his correct position.
Good midfielders I think are much easier to find / get than a dominant ruckman - hence why we have drafted a large number of ruckman in the hope that one or two will develop properly. So that's what I base my reasoning on
If Rehnny had been a few years younger, Nikki, I would have agreed with you.
However IMO Rehnny was almost a spent force - be that mental or physical when he left the Crows. He only played the next 2 years with Hawthorn before giving the game away, and only had a very limited impact at that.
On the other hand Johnson left a hole in our mid-field that has never been replaced, and has played classy football in a bad team. Rehn at his peak was greater than Johnson at his peak, but when they left us Johnson was by far the most valuable - IMO. ;)
NikkiNoo
10 Mar 2005, 18:17
If Rehnny had been a few years younger, Nikki, I would have agreed with you.
However IMO Rehnny was almost a spent force - be that mental or physical when he left the Crows. He only played the next 2 years with Hawthorn before giving the game away, and only had a very limited impact at that.
On the other hand Johnson left a hole in our mid-field that has never been replaced, and has played classy football in a bad team. Rehn at his peak was greater than Johnson at his peak, but when they left us Johnson was by far the most valuable - IMO. ;)
ok agree with what was said but what impact have both of them had after they left? (I'm a sentimental sap so I would have much preferred rhenny to finish out his career with us) Rhen had minimal impact at Hawthorn - yes, but was his heart in the game like it was with us? and I don't think Kane has been the world beater that many thought he may be. So I actually see both have had about the same impact for their 'new' sides and left two large holes to fill that haven't been :(
macca23
10 Mar 2005, 18:22
ok agree with what was said but what impact have both of them had after they left? (I'm a sentimental sap so I would have much preferred rhenny to finish out his career with us) Rhen had minimal impact at Hawthorn - yes, but was his heart in the game like it was with us? and I don't think Kane has been the world beater that many thought he may be. So I actually see both have had about the same impact for their 'new' sides and left two large holes to fill that haven't been :(
I agree with your comments on Shaun. He left for all teh wrong reasons, so as you say wouldn't have had his heart in it.
On the other hand, that''s a harsh call on Kane. I reckon he's played top footy with Richmond when very few else have.
Would love to have him back.
Stiffy_18
10 Mar 2005, 18:51
hmm I disagree - he was very important part of our midfield structure (every team needs a good receiver ;) ) But I would think the title of best player to leave may be one shaun rehn?
Rehn was just about finished when he got traded to Hawks, He had a couple of very injury riddled years with the Hawks.
I think Mods still had a lot to offer when he got traded. I think he kicked 68 goals for the dockers the next year. Our forward line has never been the same since Mods left.
While there is no doubt that Rahny was the heart and soul of the Crows, he was well past his best when he got traded.
Just out of interest was he ever given life membership to the AFC?????? Same with Mods?????
spindoctor
10 Mar 2005, 19:03
ok all I have to say is
97 Prelim - 1 minute to go - perfect kick hits jars on the ****** from 30 metres
not much else is needed to be said really that expalins how much we miss him
What the hell did he hits Jars on that needed to be blanked out??!!
NikkiNoo
10 Mar 2005, 19:50
What the hell did he hits Jars on that needed to be blanked out??!!
chest? nope that worked so it wasn't that but that's what I would say
and according to kane he thought the kick was not gonna make it at all!
NikkiNoo
10 Mar 2005, 19:56
I agree with your comments on Shaun. He left for all teh wrong reasons, so as you say wouldn't have had his heart in it.
On the other hand, that''s a harsh call on Kane. I reckon he's played top footy with Richmond when very few else have.
Would love to have him back.
hmm if he stands out at richmond is he really that good ;) I was going on watching him in that first year at richmond, he was coming off a pretty good year with us and I know that it would take time to adjust to a different team and game plan but.... I expected more from him (he would be one of my fav crow players) - I will bow to your greater knowledge macca as I haven't seen him play for the last 2 years :mad: I really miss my footy
but that will be over very soon
*happy dance time*
macca23
10 Mar 2005, 21:29
Nathan Brown was just saying on the Footy Show that the Richmond captain will be announced on Monday, and the favourite is Kane Johnson.
Just on the Footy Show, a very poor start to the year, with the same tired old tacky non-funny Sam Newman continuing on in poor taste.
Eddie got really sh*tty with him and shut him up when he was trying to make some poor taste joke about paedophiles, telling him that it wasn't a topic to joke about. Sam got a bit sulky about that for a while, because Eddie was serious.
Sam is looking a bigger jerk every year, and he's off to a flying start in that direction so far this year.
outback jack
10 Mar 2005, 23:29
its not sam's fault, the show sets him up to be an idiot, so does eddie, while trying to be the ultimate professional himself. I'm sure hes told or given tips on what makes 'good' tv. For me its more annoying with someone like eddie, who tries to place the nice guy, while clearly having other motives
drakeyv2
11 Mar 2005, 07:55
The Footy Show? To quote Stiffy. "meh"
Markthirtytwo
11 Mar 2005, 08:13
And that start to the show, what a load of rubbish, nothing about the show or footy.
Total waste of time. :mad:
baaaallllll
11 Mar 2005, 09:03
Kane Johnson, great player, works his arse off and doesn't make many errors. Uses the ball well, unlike some of our current players (cough Birdman cough).
Him leaving was the start of our decline in the midfield.
Can we pretty please have him back. I'll give you a choccy frog. :)
Mad Dog
11 Mar 2005, 10:51
Nathan Brown was just saying on the Footy Show that the Richmond captain will be announced on Monday, and the favourite is Kane Johnson.
Just on the Footy Show, a very poor start to the year, with the same tired old tacky non-funny Sam Newman continuing on in poor taste.
Eddie got really sh*tty with him and shut him up when he was trying to make some poor taste joke about paedophiles, telling him that it wasn't a topic to joke about. Sam got a bit sulky about that for a while, because Eddie was serious.
Sam is looking a bigger jerk every year, and he's off to a flying start in that direction so far this year.
Footy Show........... :confused: ....is that on again this year is it ???
*YAWN*
mymansyd
11 Mar 2005, 11:31
Kane Johnson, great player, works his arse off and doesn't make many errors. Uses the ball well, unlike some of our current players (cough Birdman cough).
Him leaving was the start of our decline in the midfield.
Can we pretty please have him back. I'll give you a choccy frog. :)
I don't mind not having Kane Johnson in our squad, he wanted to go home.
What I do mind is not having Daniel Wells (or even Steven Salopek or even Jarrad McVeigh) in it! :mad: Especially, now that Carey has retired.
baaaallllll
11 Mar 2005, 12:40
I don't mind not having Kane Johnson in our squad, he wanted to go home.
What I do mind is not having Daniel Wells (or even Steven Salopek or even Jarrad McVeigh) in it! :mad: Especially, now that Carey has retired.
yes, well thems the breaks, we did the trade because at the time all we seemed to be lacking was a focal point up forward. So if we had won a flag or at least made a GF you could have said that it was worth the trade. However as it has turned out that has not been the case and we missed out on pick 4 that got upgraded to pick 2 and was used to pick up Wells.
Question: Would you have traded Kane Johnson to get Wells??
Question: Would you have traded Kane Johnson to get Wells??
Absolutely. And I doubt that there would be an AFL recruiter at any club who wouldn't. A 17 yo who finished runner up in the Sandover medal playing for a rabble who hardly won a game..........
You didn't have to be any great reader of young football talent to be able to work out that Wells was going to be a champ.
There is always a risk with drafting young players as some will never make the step up to AFL, but this guy was about as "risk free" as you can get for a 17yo. Wells didn't just play at WAFL level as a youngster, he was a standout performer. He has probably another 10-12 years of AFL footy in him and his potential is almost limitless (ie. AA, Brownlow).
I am a huge rap for Kane Johnson and I don't think it is maligning him at all when I say he will never, ever win a Brownlow.
johnnypanther
12 Mar 2005, 10:41
yes, well thems the breaks, we did the trade because at the time all we seemed to be lacking was a focal point up forward. So if we had won a flag or at least made a GF you could have said that it was worth the trade. However as it has turned out that has not been the case and we missed out on pick 4 that got upgraded to pick 2 and was used to pick up Wells.
Question: Would you have traded Kane Johnson to get Wells??
thats right - at the time Carey trade for no 4 pick was worth the risk - it was just unfortunate that M Stevens & Welsh kept getting injured so that we couldnt have the forward line that we needed for a genuine premiership tilt
as for Wells - Richmond would not have traded the no 4 pick if they had known it would become the no 2 pick - the AFL dudded them and acted so unprofessionally in changing things after the trade period
dyertribe
12 Mar 2005, 10:52
I think Mods still had a lot to offer when he got traded. I think he kicked 68 goals for the dockers the next year. Our forward line has never been the same since Mods left.
This is my biggest gripe with the Blight-legacy, even moreso than him returning to football with the $aints 12 months after abandoning us.
In 1999 Modra - fully fit for the first time since 1994 - booted 71.43 (114 scoring shots) in a Fremantle side that could only manage 5 wins for the year.
Imagine what he could've done in our side with Ricciuto, McLeod, Goodwin and Johnson delivering him the ball on a plate?! Rehn or no Rehn we would've played finals with Mods on board.
But instead we got what, Daniel Schell?
Stiffy_18
12 Mar 2005, 18:12
This is my biggest gripe with the Blight-legacy, even moreso than him returning to football with the $aints 12 months after abandoning us.
In 1999 Modra - fully fit for the first time since 1994 - booted 71.43 (114 scoring shots) in a Fremantle side that could only manage 5 wins for the year.
Imagine what he could've done in our side with Ricciuto, McLeod, Goodwin and Johnson delivering him the ball on a plate?! Rehn or no Rehn we would've played finals with Mods on board.
But instead we got what, Daniel Schell?
I think that was Blighty's biggest mistake and probably one of the biggest by AFC. If you trade a superstar like Mods you better hope to get something bloody good in return. We got picks 29 and 35 and we picked up Stinger and Beinke with them.
Mods was a superstar FF. A bloke who can in any given year be a chance of kicking a century and we ********ed it all in the wind and traded him.
For all his good work, Blighty sure as hell made some ********ed up decisions.