View Full Version : Hentschel - A Tredrea or a Hart?
Watching the replay of the other Sunday’s game against Port made me consider Trent Hentschel and what we expected of him as a player.
Given that he has bulked up over the off season and we played him forward, it appears that we are trying to develop him into a centre half forward, who hopefully one day could be as good as Tredrea (i.e. very very good).
When I first watched him play for the Eagles he looked like a natural forward to me who really knew where the goals were. At that stage as he was a smaller type in regard to his body frame, I thought that he would likely be a forward pocket or a leading full forward.
I think the other option and the safer one would be to turn him into another Ben Hart. He wouldn’t have to worry too much about bulking up and being the most important player in the team but could provide much needed leadership class and drive off half back. His skills are very good and he reads the play very well. If Hart doesn’t make it, we need a replacement for him and Bock or Stevens are nowhere near that sort of class.
Whilst such an approach would lose the chance to make a match winning centre half forward we have to be realistic as to how good he can actually be. My view is that our chances of making him into a champion half back are much better than making him into a very good centre half forward as to me he doesn’t’ have the right body shape.
I think a Gibson or a Watts are where we should be expending our energies in that regard.
Whilst we really need a key forward with muscle, we may need to be patient and perhaps not try to turn Hentschel into something he’s not in the process. Or am I underselling his potential development?
I see Hentchel as being more like Scott Lucas than either Tredrea or Hart. I think he is roughly the same size and build as Lucas. He has the flexability to play either end of the ground in either a KP or on a flank or pocket. He might even get a run around on the ball occasionally. I dont think Tredrea or Hart have that flexability and I cant think of many who do. Lucas is the closest player type to Hentchel I can think of.
I've kept this thought to myself at the risk of being electronically lynched.. :p ...but I see a lot of James Hird in him. The jury will be out for a long time on the talent aspect....which is not really the subject of my comparison.......but physically in terms of his height, weight, pace, agility....he has the potential IMO to play anywhere. I floated the idea a few weeks ago about Trentschel possibly taking a rotation on the ball now and again........I really don't think this is beyond the realms of reality.
He is too agile for big opponents, and too big for agile opponents. Much of the Hird mystique is around his ability to create a physical mismatch wherever he plays......I think Trent also has this physical attribute.
I don't want to see him hung out to dry at CHF.....it could be a career killer IMO...I would like to see him employed as an allround troubleshooter....forward, back, (preferable flanks)...and yes in the middle if a physical ascendancy needs to be gained temporarily there.
From the comparison in the title of the thread...I think he is closer to Ben Hart physically than The Gimp......but eventually I reckon he has the ability to play a Hird role.
Capitalist
8 Mar 2005, 11:53
I agree with you MD - even last year he seemed to have that ability to go to a position and win it regardless of the size of the player he was on, I think CHF could kill him and CHB could strangle his development - I would agree with putting him in the middle when we need to really try and get it out quick - also in the forwards as a mismatch - the only player the crows have at the moment that could basically play anywhere (except ruck he wasn;t good at that !!)
MD, I think our opinions of Hentschel as far as player type is concerned are pretty close. The thing that made me think of Lucas rather than Hird is the height. Hentschel and Lucas are roughly the same, while Hird is a little shorter. I suppose its only a couple of inches but I think that also translates into agility. I think Hird is probably a bit quicker and more agile, and of course he is about as skillful as it gets, while Lucas and Hentschel a fair way behind in that department.
The one thing looking at the stats on these guys highlights to me is that Hentschel really needs to bulk up if he's going to make the impact we need him to. 81kg's for a guy 193cm's tall is way to skinny. He needs at least 10kg's to command a KP, IMO. In fact I cant beleive he is only 81 kg's, he seems a bit bigger than that too me, maybe its old info on the AFC web site.
Anyway here's the basic stats
James Hird
Height 188cm
Weight: 90kg
Scott Lucas
Height 192cm
Weight: 93kg
Trent Hentschel
Height 193cm
Weight: 81kg
Truck Rutten
8 Mar 2005, 12:13
MD, I think our opinions of Hentschel as far as player type is concerned are pretty close. The thing that made me think of Lucas rather than Hird is the height. Hentschel and Lucas are roughly the same, while Hird is a little shorter. I suppose its only a couple of inches but I think that also translates into agility. I think Hird is probably a bit quicker and more agile, and of course he is about as skillful as it gets, while Lucas and Hentschel a fair way behind in that department.
The one thing looking at the stats on these guys highlights to me is that Hentschel really needs to bulk up if he's going to make the impact we need him to. 81kg's for a guy 193cm's tall is way to skinny. He needs at least 10kg's to command a KP, IMO. In fact I cant beleive he is only 81 kg's, he seems a bit bigger than that too me, maybe its old info on the AFC web site.
Anyway here's the basic stats
James Hird
Height 188cm
Weight: 90kg
Scott Lucas
Height 192cm
Weight: 93kg
Trent Hentschel
Height 193cm
Weight: 81kg
From today's article in the Tiser:
Hentschel, 194cm and 92kg, likes playing in attack but he is happy to be thrown all over the field.
He'd have to be more than 81kg I would have thought. 92 sounds more like it.
From today's article in the Tiser:
Hentschel, 194cm and 92kg, likes playing in attack but he is happy to be thrown all over the field.
He'd have to be more than 81kg I would have thought. 92 sounds more like it.
92 sounds good. The 81 came from the AFC web site :rolleyes:. God that site is $hyte, yestedays info just aint good enough.
Thats makes him even closer to Lucas in the physical attributes department.
Kane McGoodwin
8 Mar 2005, 12:27
From today's article in the Tiser:
Hentschel, 194cm and 92kg, likes playing in attack but he is happy to be thrown all over the field.
He'd have to be more than 81kg I would have thought. 92 sounds more like it.
Crowked I think gave last years stats, so the 92kg is closer to mark now.
At the moment, I think Trent's best attribute is his flexibility & he could be wasted playing in the 1 position. We should play him where it best suits us for matchups & creating mismatches.
Whilst he can probably play on ball, I don't see a major role for him here as that is not our biggest weakness (though may want to use him on a tall midfielder when the need arises, give Shirley is smallish - eg. on Kouta, Hird, etc). Defintely can play the Hart-like role in the backline if required, though we have other players who are capable of this too. I see him mainly as a floating forward, as this is our biggest problem area - particularly given his natural instincts for goal. Whilst Trent has Hart (or Hird)-like poise, his adaptability to play anywhere is more like Smart (or Hird)
[... but he is nowhere near in Hird's class...yet]
Markthirtytwo
8 Mar 2005, 12:30
There is something about him that makes me think he wont be a CHF. Whether it's his body shape as compared to a Treadrea or Brown or just that hair, but what ever it is I hope I'm wrong.
He needs to be more consistant when playing there to be regarded as a future star as the coach seems to think.
Truck Rutten
8 Mar 2005, 12:38
Crowked I think gave last years stats, so the 92kg is closer to mark now.
No, it's on the AFC website as 81kg as we speak. Benny has shrunk a few cm as well. I'm sure he was always listed as 191cm in the past.
MD, I think our opinions of Hentschel as far as player type is concerned are pretty close. The thing that made me think of Lucas rather than Hird is the height. Hentschel and Lucas are roughly the same, while Hird is a little shorter. I suppose its only a couple of inches but I think that also translates into agility. I think Hird is probably a bit quicker and more agile, and of course he is about as skillful as it gets, while Lucas and Hentschel a fair way behind in that department.
...and fair enough too.......If Trent could be somewhere in the middle...I'd be happy... :) ....I'd certainly trade a bit of flexibility for some height
Kane McGoodwin
8 Mar 2005, 12:52
No, it's on the AFC website as 81kg as we speak. Benny has shrunk a few cm as well. I'm sure he was always listed as 191cm in the past.
I reckon AFC haven't updated some of the profiles then.
Arsene Wenger
8 Mar 2005, 13:26
Its difficult to compare players like this. I dont think he is quite Tredrea in his size and power and I feel he is not Lucas. He has that silkiness of Jimmy Hird. And he is a good size. Dont burden the kid with comparisons.. Let him be trent hentschell - he looks good for u guys
crazy_big_al
8 Mar 2005, 14:44
I reckon AFC haven't updated some of the profiles then.
Typical :D
I really can't see Trent ever being in the class of a Tredrea with regards to CHF. Tredrea has the size and class to just take hold of a game from that position which very few players can.
Hopefully Trent can have the same impact but IMO it will be in a different type of role than CHF.
I really can't see Trent ever being in the class of a Tredrea with regards to CHF. Tredrea has the size and class to just take hold of a game from that position which very few players can.
Hopefully Trent can have the same impact but IMO it will be in a different type of role than CHF.
Correct, Tredrea & Brown are power chf of the Carey mould who can dominate a game, somehow i can't see Trent doing that just yet.
Stiffy_18
8 Mar 2005, 16:54
Its difficult to compare players like this. I dont think he is quite Tredrea in his size and power and I feel he is not Lucas. He has that silkiness of Jimmy Hird. And he is a good size. Dont burden the kid with comparisons.. Let him be trent hentschell - he looks good for u guys
Well said. I am Rowdy's biggest fan but I don't think he could be as good a CHF as Tredrea. I really blew a fuse when I read the article this morning. Why put the pressure on the kid????? Just let him play and develo as best as he can. He has genuine potential to become a star for us. Whether thats as a forward or a backman remains to be seen.
I think he could be a very good forward but he would make a far better backman. Having said that I still like to develop him as a forward. He knows where the goals are and is one of only a small handful who can pinpoint a pass.
Stiffy_18
8 Mar 2005, 16:55
Oh and I wouldn't use AFC measurements for granted. Those stats are from 3 years ago.
Call me a poor judge but I cant see Hentschel getting close to Tredrea, even if he has got potential.
Id like to see him earn his keep on the Half Backline...we can always put McGregor at CHF; hes capable!
Kane McGoodwin
8 Mar 2005, 18:41
Call me a poor judge but I cant see Hentschel getting close to Tredrea, even if he has got potential.
Id like to see him earn his keep on the Half Backline...we can always put McGregor at CHF; hes capable!
If the need arises for a Chad Cornes-like rebounding CHB, then Hentschel / McGregor swap may occur - or during a game if things aren't working. However, I think Kenny is more a natural defender, whereas Trent has better forward instincts as a general rule. Flexibility is a good thing though.
I agree AW though, that I doubt he will be a power CHF like a Tredders, Brown or Carey ... but he does have some other attributes such as evasivion & good goal nouse that will make him a handy, albeit different, forward in his own right.
Nige_Bix
8 Mar 2005, 22:47
I agree with the no comparisons - Let him be Hentchell - I like to see him up forward because he is creative, skilful and can take a big mark. I do agree though he provides us with flexibility as he can go back, and maybe could follow a Kouta type around the ground.
I'm very interested in how he is used and how he develops in 2005.