APS 2005 1st 18 level: Players, teams etc

[dutchy12]

APS football for the past couple of years has been the premier school football league of Australia and produced some big names eg Chris Judd, Luke Ball, Brendon Goddard etc just to name a few.

Does anyone have any opinions on

1) Players to look out for Bottom aged and top aged eg Yr10,11,12 talent
2)Teams best players
3) Favourite teams to be up round the premship mark
4) Anything else of relevance

Thanks

[footy11111]

Yeah, a few teams look quite promising at this early stage....Hailebury have 90% of their team on scholarships so evidently they should put up a good fight, Melbourne Grammar have lost a lot of players from last year but have a good year 12 group and a few star players in year 11. The other teams that should go well are Scotch, Brighton Grammar and Xavier who have great players all round.

[chooknafied]

If You Wanna Talk About the best school comp in austrailia i think u should look more in to the herald sun sheild, ok maybe they dunn play as much as the APS but the quallity of football is much greater if u want a good school side to talk about and watch i think u should have a look at ekc
(essendon keilor college)they have 17 TAC players and 5 have represented the state in the last year in both u16 vic metro and u18 vic metro :cool:

[ablett factor]

xavier are yet to cut the squad and are still only doing pre season training, the first practise match is in a few weeks.
i dont think there are any year 12's who would get drafted this year but i could be wrong. however there are a few year 11's who are a huge chance including josh kennedy who has been discussed on here before and is eligible to go to hawthorn under father son and robbie tarrant, brother of chris who came this year from mildura. I have only seen him train at this stage but he has been impressive, apparently he is better than chris at the same age, he is a big kid and probably at least 190cm. he moves real well at training and is a top mark and kick. he wont be eligible this year but i think he may be next year as a bottom age recruit, he is young for year 11.
from other teams i know tom hawkins is unbelievable and is eligible next year, but unfortunately he will go to geelong under father son. ;)

[chooknafied]

does anyone know if tarrant is gonna play any TAC fOoty this year if so with who?

[nicho_magic]

wesley have jack watts brother of fergus and thats really the only stand out. the super powers Xavier and Melbourne should be strong and i would say Heighlebury with Raso (carlton) should be very strong (bloody scholarships). Caulfield have deledio but i doubt he will play at all for caulfield this year.

[ablett factor]

im not sure what will happen with tarrant, he is from mildura so if he were to play would have to go with the pioneers i think. someone more familiar with the system might be able to tell you.
jack watts played at my club in the year below i think and apparently is an absolute gun.

[davo4030]

Scotch will win the APS Priemiership. 4 chargers U18 boys as a starter.....

[Sylvia Saint]

i dont think there are any year 12's who would get drafted this year but i could be wrong.
What about Cody Sibosado?

[ablett factor]

What about Cody Sibosado?

yeah he would probably be the best chance.

[m.diddy]

Cody is an absolute super star, and is probably the best shot from Xavier this year. Typical aboriginal flash, speed, skills and vertical leap (took a few good hangers last year) and is a really nice guy. He said he would want to go to St Kilda if he was drafted because of the L.ball influence
there is also spangher who finished at Xavier last year but is still eligible for this years draft and is playing eastern ranges

[tiger coll]

melbourne grammar will be playing their first full season on the awesome todd rd oval. beautiful surface but very strong wind at one end.

which are the best APS grounds to play on do u think?

[ablett factor]

xavier have an absolute love of the roache, if the school burnt down but the roache was fine everything would be ok. :p

[nicho_magic]

melbourne grammar will be playing their first full season on the awesome todd rd oval. beautiful surface but very strong wind at one end.

which are the best APS grounds to play on do u think?
scotch, wesley.

[hahaha]

If You Wanna Talk About the best school comp in austrailia i think u should look more in to the herald sun sheild, ok maybe they dunn play as much as the APS but the quallity of football is much greater if u want a good school side to talk about and watch i think u should have a look at ekc
(essendon keilor college)they have 17 TAC players and 5 have represented the state in the last year in both u16 vic metro and u18 vic metro :cool:

Who won the Herald Sun Shield last year?

[m.diddy]

xavier have an absolute love of the roache, if the school burnt down but the roache was fine everything would be ok. :p
that and the chapel

[Pepi]

Watch out for St Joseph's Geelong in the Herald Sun shield this year. 10 playters on the Falcons list, and another 5 or so who were just cut. Add in all-australian Danny Stanley and should of been all-australian (but was injured) SHaun Higgins and you've got a very strong team.

[Robbie]

Scotch will win the APS Priemiership. 4 chargers U18 boys as a starter.....

Smith and who else?

[m.diddy]

It doesn't matter how many U18 boys you have the fact is they'll go off and play TAC not school footy. This is the reason why goddard, judd and walker hardly played for Caulfield and why caulfield havn't won for the last 5 years

[chooknafied]

whitfries...

[chooknafied]

Watch out for St Joseph's Geelong in the Herald Sun shield this year. 10 playters on the Falcons list, and another 5 or so who were just cut. Add in all-australian Danny Stanley and should of been all-australian (but was injured) SHaun Higgins and you've got a very strong team.

sound almost as strong as ekc, who is the coach at st joseph's marke neil.?

[mark_johnson#1]

It doesn't matter how many U18 boys you have the fact is they'll go off and play TAC not school footy. This is the reason why goddard, judd and walker hardly played for Caulfield and why caulfield havn't won for the last 5 years


yeah not really... goddard and walker both didnt play much with caulfield becuase they were already at stkilda and carlton respectivley in year 12
judd didnt play becuase of his injuries

school footy comes first before TAC

[davo4030]

yeah not really... goddard and walker both didnt play much with caulfield becuase they were already at stkilda and carlton respectivley in year 12
judd didnt play becuase of his injuries

school footy comes first before TAC


Yeah totally agree mate, I'm pretty sure it's a school policy to play school footy over TAC cup and the TAC cup boys are supposed to be the standouts so the more you have, you would think, the more chance you are at winning the premiership.

[OneEyedHawk]

Caulfield have deledio but i doubt he will play at all for caulfield this year.
Is that brother of Brett? How old is he and what is he like?

[Infamy]

Deledio was going to Caulfield to finish Year 12 but only did 3 weeks and has already left
As there are 3 players from Richmond finishing Year 12 this year they have set up a classroom at the club and brought in tutors so they can finish Year 12 over the next 2 years.

[Joe Blow]

It doesn't matter how many U18 boys you have the fact is they'll go off and play TAC not school footy. This is the reason why goddard, judd and walker hardly played for Caulfield and why caulfield havn't won for the last 5 years

sorry milnedog you are very incorrect there....school takes precedence over TAC
Goddard played school throughout year 10 and 11 but year 12 being on st k's list played for them
Judd always played for school except when injured (shoulders)
With Walker not being on scholarship, he was not tied down to play for them
Also think back to Ball, when coming back from OP (i think) he played for Xavier not Dragons

[m.diddy]

sorry milnedog you are very incorrect there....school takes precedence over TAC
Goddard played school throughout year 10 and 11 but year 12 being on st k's list played for them
Judd always played for school except when injured (shoulders)
With Walker not being on scholarship, he was not tied down to play for them
Also think back to Ball, when coming back from OP (i think) he played for Xavier not Dragons
year 10 and 11 of course school takes priority thats a no brainer but many players who don't go to a good footy school thats in the APS rather play tAC how do you think there are people playing in the TAC if everyone is playing school footy moron

balls a different case all together he was a very school orientated person and takes a lot of pride in playing for school where as these other guys have been bought and have only been at the school for a year. Also bally said he would always play school footy over even AFL

[nicho_magic]

Is that brother of Brett? How old is he and what is he like?
no it is brett

[Infamy]

still not there anymore though

[Pepi]

Paul Hood is coach of St Joeys first 18 this year in Herald Shield. He's a good coach and was a good player, won the TAC cup league b & f in 1995, should of got drafted but was too small

[Joe Blow]

year 10 and 11 of course school takes priority thats a no brainer but many players who don't go to a good footy school thats in the APS rather play tAC how do you think there are people playing in the TAC if everyone is playing school footy moron

balls a different case all together he was a very school orientated person and takes a lot of pride in playing for school where as these other guys have been bought and have only been at the school for a year. Also bally said he would always play school footy over even AFL

sorry, i was talking in the case of APS only but didn't mention it so i apologise for the misunderstanding

[dutchy12]

Tom Paule is showing excellent pre season form for MGS

[bettsie]

Tom Paule is showing excellent pre season form for MGS
Aka Speedy gonzalez??

[dutchy12]

Yes

[nicho_magic]

Aka Speedy gonzalez??
how do you know him bettsie

[bettsie]

good to see he's doing well, havent seen him in a while, is he still fairly short?
I used to be friends with him when i was a kid and used to play him in East Malvern Vs Glen Iris derbies :cool:

[dutchy12]

Tarrants brother playing for Xavier now most likely on a scolarship anyone know anythign about him?

[ablett factor]

Tarrants brother playing for Xavier now most likely on a scolarship anyone know anythign about him?
yeah ive been training with him, real big kid at least 190 i would say, still quite lean without being skinny, very fast and agile, great pack mark and has a good leap, good kick, apparently better than chris at the same age.

[m.diddy]

yeah ive been training with him, real big kid at least 190 i would say, still quite lean without being skinny, very fast and agile, great pack mark and has a good leap, good kick, apparently better than chris at the same age.
hey mate wheres he gonna slot in this season as i can recall after last years year 12's are gone Xavier are gonna have some serious ruck and KPP problems is he gonna be FF or CHF?

[ablett factor]

hey mate wheres he gonna slot in this season as i can recall after last years year 12's are gone Xavier are gonna have some serious ruck and KPP problems is he gonna be FF or CHF?

i would say probably this year he will play FF but could very easily play CHF aswell. In the ruck we have john shaw who is year 11 and in the dragons 18's side and then josh kennedy who will fill CHB. After this year there may be problems in finding some tall backs.

[saintgoof]

so who are the U/18 Tac Players in the APS??

this is what i know:

Scotch:CHARGERS: Nick Smith, Ainger, (Nathan ?????? From NT, not sure just heard)

Xavier: DRAGONS: Josh Kennedy RANGERS: Cody Sibosado. ??Tarrent??

Melbourne : (Hawkins, Vance Xavier Ellis) all country boys

Haileybry:DRAGONS:Beckwith, Plyminn, Flemming, McKillop (Inj), McIntre STINGRAYS Comben, Arron Murray, Magner, Brown, Driscoll
+raso at carlton

Caufiauld: Eddy

Could people please try to add to these lists and fill me in on schools i don't know.

[Collingwood_Forever]

what year r u in at xavier ablett factor?

[Strippa]

[QUOTE=milnedog44]year 10 and 11 of course school takes priority thats a no brainer but many players who don't go to a good footy school thats in the APS rather play tAC how do you think there are people playing in the TAC if everyone is playing school footy moron

Players in the TAC cup have to sign a 'contract' so to speak that says school footy always takes priority over TAC footy. The players who go to APS schools only play TAC at the start and end of the year when school footy is not on.

[davo4030]

so who are the U/18 Tac Players in the APS??

this is what i know:

Scotch:CHARGERS: Nick Smith, Ainger, (Nathan ?????? From NT, not sure just heard)

Xavier: DRAGONS: Josh Kennedy RANGERS: Cody Sibosado. ??Tarrent??

Melbourne : (Hawkins, Vance Xavier Ellis) all country boys

Haileybry:DRAGONS:Beckwith, Plyminn, Flemming, McKillop (Inj), McIntre STINGRAYS Comben, Arron Murray, Magner, Brown, Driscoll
+raso at carlton

Caufiauld: Eddy

Could people please try to add to these lists and fill me in on schools i don't know.\

What a joke about Haileybury, bring in the scholarships and try to win the APS. If they win, which this list suggests they should, it should not constitute a proper premiership. Every school brings in players, there's no doubting that but not to the extent that Haileybury has.

I think for Scotch there's Nick Smith, Andrew Ainger, Nathan Djurkurra, and Ed Barlow all at the Charges.

[you idiot sheehan]

melbourne grammar will be playing their first full season on the awesome todd rd oval. beautiful surface but very strong wind at one end.

which are the best APS grounds to play on do u think?

The Front Turf at Wesley St Kilda Rd is a beautiful ground with a great surface. Scotch is excellent too. The best post-match functions were always at Xavier and Melbourne.

[m.diddy]

The Front Turf at Wesley St Kilda Rd is a beautiful ground with a great surface. Scotch is excellent too. The best post-match functions were always at Xavier and Melbourne.
yeh we (xavier) do have some good post match stuff, try the gatorade deano makes up, best gatoradw ever!

[ablett factor]

what year r u in at xavier ablett factor?

year 11.


yeh we (xavier) do have some good post match stuff, try the gatorade deano makes up, best gatoradw ever!

yeah great stuff.

[roger merret]

Geelong College have Banjanin (201cm), Rockerfeller, Cordy and Turner from Falcons with more depth than ever. Word is they will do better than everyone expects.

[otis_david]

yeh we (xavier) do have some good post match stuff, try the gatorade deano makes up, best gatoradw ever!
They've gone stingy now and just have cheapo coridial.

[nicho_magic]

wesley have : j. watts from the dragons and maybe one or two others who play tac

[davo4030]

I have never seen any more blatant 'buying' of players in the APS then what Haileybury have done for this season.
It is evident with the recent naming of all TAC team lists. Going through you find a few Haileybury players
Andrew Fleming(Dragons)
Daniel Turcarelli(Dragons)
Daniel Beckwith(Dragons)
Aaron McKillip(Dragons)
Jarrod Plymin(Dragons)
Jack Hellier(Dragons)
Raso(plays for Carlton)?

I find it disgraceful that all these players are on footy scholarships. There would probably be people i missed because these are only the guys that put Haileybury College as their club. Haileybury is a joke of a school. Also their outrageous margin in winning the APS swimming was due to scholarships. I must say congratulations to Scotch, Caulfield and Xavier who came 1st, 2nd and 3rd(correct me if i'm wrong), in the non-scholarship giving schools though i'm still doubtful on Caulfield, some say the money has run dry.

[m.diddy]

I have never seen any more blatant 'buying' of players in the APS then what Haileybury have done for this season.
It is evident with the recent naming of all TAC team lists. Going through you find a few Haileybury players
Andrew Fleming(Dragons)
Daniel Turcarelli(Dragons)
Daniel Beckwith(Dragons)
Aaron McKillip(Dragons)
Jarrod Plymin(Dragons)
Jack Hellier(Dragons)
Raso(plays for Carlton)?

I find it disgraceful that all these players are on footy scholarships. There would probably be people i missed because these are only the guys that put Haileybury College as their club. Haileybury is a joke of a school. Also their outrageous margin in winning the APS swimming was due to scholarships. I must say congratulations to Scotch, Caulfield and Xavier who came 1st, 2nd and 3rd(correct me if i'm wrong), in the non-scholarship giving schools though i'm still doubtful on Caulfield, some say the money has run dry.
Haileybury did this last year and pretty much bought a whole side
and you're right on the non-scholarship schools although Caulfield still give it's just that they're too good for their own good giving it to people who play AFL whilst in year 12 so they don't play for school

[nicho_magic]

I have never seen any more blatant 'buying' of players in the APS then what Haileybury have done for this season.
It is evident with the recent naming of all TAC team lists. Going through you find a few Haileybury players
Andrew Fleming(Dragons)
Daniel Turcarelli(Dragons)
Daniel Beckwith(Dragons)
Aaron McKillip(Dragons)
Jarrod Plymin(Dragons)
Jack Hellier(Dragons)
Raso(plays for Carlton)?

I find it disgraceful that all these players are on footy scholarships. There would probably be people i missed because these are only the guys that put Haileybury College as their club. Haileybury is a joke of a school. Also their outrageous margin in winning the APS swimming was due to scholarships. I must say congratulations to Scotch, Caulfield and Xavier who came 1st, 2nd and 3rd(correct me if i'm wrong), in the non-scholarship giving schools though i'm still doubtful on Caulfield, some say the money has run dry.
you have missed roughly 15, they have others that aren't as amaising that are on scholarships, and they don't just do it for footy they do it for cricket as well, roughly 9 of there 1st XI are on scholarships which makes it impossible for a school like wesley who has 0 scholarships to compete, it should be restricted to 1 to 2 scholarships per aps 1sts team. They are just sh1t at sport as there 2's get thumped by 100+ points each week due to lack of decent footballers.

[m.diddy]

you have missed roughly 15, they have others that aren't as amaising that are on scholarships, and they don't just do it for footy they do it for cricket as well, roughly 9 of there 1st XI are on scholarships which makes it impossible for a school like wesley who has 0 scholarships to compete, it should be restricted to 1 to 2 scholarships per aps 1sts team. They are just sh1t at sport as there 2's get thumped by 100+ points each week due to lack of decent footballers.
they also do it for tennis and i think athletics

[saintgoof]

As a ex Haileybury boy i suppose that i have to put in a defence for my school.
I have counted the number of haileybury whether they have finished last year and are still eligble for TAC or they are still there and the total number of players is 15 and i suppose counting raso it would come to 16. However not every player is on a scolarship just for footy. Mc killop who is also the school vice captain is on a general excellence scollarship which is the same for about half of last years team.
Haileybury also has been a cellar dweller in recent years due to its location it has been unable to get the sporting callibre of schools such as scotch (a school which i also attended for many years) due to the amount of ethnic students. Also sports such as soccer and hockey are by far the most popular sports. Haileybury also has extreme depth in cricket due to the amount of indian and sri lankan students. Also many other schools have Boarders that come from country victoria and interstate. Haileybury does not have this so what they have done is used scolarships now so dat in the future they are recognised as having a good footballing and sporting pedigree. so that they are able to gain decent footballers from brighton, sandy, bewick and mt eliza areas. Also players to look out for are Valenti, turcarelli, lockwood, beckwith, plymin (all sandy), spencer roberts from oakleigh and Magner and Comben from dandenong!!!

[dutchy12]

The scolarship system not only goes through their 1st 18 team but through their 10a levels. A colleague's son of mine attends Melbourne Grammar and plays in their respective "A" sides. He was telling me that in year 9 the MGS 9A'S defeated Halibury 9A's by over a 100 points, but in Year10 Hailbury were able to defeat that same MGS team by a similar margin thanks to a couple of very handy inclusions.

[nicho_magic]

As a ex Haileybury boy i suppose that i have to put in a defence for my school.
I have counted the number of haileybury whether they have finished last year and are still eligble for TAC or they are still there and the total number of players is 15 and i suppose counting raso it would come to 16. However not every player is on a scolarship just for footy. Mc killop who is also the school vice captain is on a general excellence scollarship which is the same for about half of last years team.
Haileybury also has been a cellar dweller in recent years due to its location it has been unable to get the sporting callibre of schools such as scotch (a school which i also attended for many years) due to the amount of ethnic students. Also sports such as soccer and hockey are by far the most popular sports. Haileybury also has extreme depth in cricket due to the amount of indian and sri lankan students. Also many other schools have Boarders that come from country victoria and interstate. Haileybury does not have this so what they have done is used scolarships now so dat in the future they are recognised as having a good footballing and sporting pedigree. so that they are able to gain decent footballers from brighton, sandy, bewick and mt eliza areas. Also players to look out for are Valenti, turcarelli, lockwood, beckwith, plymin (all sandy), spencer roberts from oakleigh and Magner and Comben from dandenong!!!
you have got to be joking.
firstly non of your sports have any depth. Your 1sts hockey team was woefull last year and if it wasn't for 2 scholarship guys one, who beat us single handedly (scored 5 of 7 goals and set up the other 2) 7-5 and he plays for australia, and another who was average you would not have won. other than these 2 players your team was shocking. your soccer team got thumped continually, and your cricket team had no depth whatsoever you had nine scholarships and the other 2 batted 9-10 and did not bowl. Great depth when you don't have a second XI as well.

Not many schools have boarders big deal.
You have 15 tac players but soo many more that are good but not good enough for tac i can think of roughly another 6-7. your school is a disgrace and is making the aps unfare.

[m.diddy]

you have got to be joking.
firstly non of your sports have any depth. Your 1sts hockey team was woefull last year and if it wasn't for 2 scholarship guys one, who beat us single handedly (scored 5 of 7 goals and set up the other 2) 7-5 and he plays for australia, and another who was average you would not have won. other than these 2 players your team was shocking. your soccer team got thumped continually, and your cricket team had no depth whatsoever you had nine scholarships and the other 2 batted 9-10 and did not bowl. Great depth when you don't have a second XI as well.

Not many schools have boarders big deal.
You have 15 tac players but soo many more that are good but not good enough for tac i can think of roughly another 6-7. your school is a disgrace and is making the aps unfare.
the truth hurts.

[davo4030]

The scolarship system not only goes through their 1st 18 team but through their 10a levels. A colleague's son of mine attends Melbourne Grammar and plays in their respective "A" sides. He was telling me that in year 9 the MGS 9A'S defeated Halibury 9A's by over a 100 points, but in Year10 Hailbury were able to defeat that same MGS team by a similar margin thanks to a couple of very handy inclusions.

Totally agree, in yr 9(2 years back) we killed(about 10goals) Haileybury but last year, with 2 changes to our team, somehow they were able to beat us by 10 goals. One word, Scholarships.

[dutchy12]

. I must say congratulations to Scotch, Caulfield and Xavier who came 1st, 2nd and 3rd(correct me if i'm wrong), in the non-scholarship giving schools though i'm still doubtful on Caulfield, some say the money has run dry.

All 3 of those schools give sporting scolarships but not in the excess of Hailebury.

[m.diddy]

All 3 of those schools give sporting scolarships but not in the excess of Hailebury.
Xavier give 1 or two per team but 90% of them are Academic scholarships. There are always exceptions one of them being Cody Sibasado who is an aboriginal that was on exchange and was given a scholarship to board

[dutchy12]

And with Caufiield

Well you just have to look at all the country boys comign to baord there eg McQualter, Walker, Garubba, Goddard etc.

Don't think Judd was on a scolarship though does anyone know about this?

[AlwaysCarlton]

I occasionally browse around here but I've never felt the need to post.

With regards to Haileybury, I am an Old Boy and I'd be lying if I said the school doesn't still have a place in my heart. Hence when I see people calling Haileybury a joke I have to say something. However I'm not going to bother defending the scholarship scheme as it's an absolute disgrace, I just want to point out that just because the Principal/Sports people whoever decide to hand out scholarships does not mean that the school community supports it.

I still talk to a few guys who go there, it's only been the last few years that the scholarships have become so widespread. Many teachers at the school as well as 90% of the 'real' students don't have much time for the scholarship people, simply put they're known as arrogant mercenaries with ******** for brains. They couldn't care less about the school and are only looking out for themselves. The number I've jokes I've heard about them is incredible. I think you'll find the majority of parents are the same, why should they fork out 15k+ a year just so some kid who can kick a footy can get a free ride?

If it weren't for the scholarships Haileybury would be ordinairy for two reasons in my humble opinion. Firstly, the ethnic makeup, lots of Asians + Indians/Sri Lankans who don't really care for sport. Secondly the structure going right back to year 7 is not right, this is something I would like to see the school work on.

Quite frankly when I read a lot of the stuff on here (90% of which is true) I'm ashamed. I remember the Aths Days where we would come 8th or something, but still make the loudest noise by far. Same goes for the rowing. We didn't care if we lost, it was OUR mates out there giving it their all, not some guy who we didn't know the name of. Now I'm told the atmopshere is like a library at such events. For what it's worth I'm told that only four members of last years footy team had been at the school since year 7.

However Caulfield have done similar in the past, one only needs to look at their Aths team. Most schools give out scholarships as well, lets not forget that. Never the less, not to the extent that my old school does. So please, do not smear the whole Haileybury community with this brush, we are not a joke, the Principal or whoever is responsable for what's going on is. The vast majority of people hate what is going on.

[m.diddy]

I occasionally browse around here but I've never felt the need to post.

With regards to Haileybury, I am an Old Boy and I'd be lying if I said the school doesn't still have a place in my heart. Hence when I see people calling Haileybury a joke I have to say something. However I'm not going to bother defending the scholarship scheme as it's an absolute disgrace, I just want to point out that just because the Principal/Sports people whoever decide to hand out scholarships does not mean that the school community supports it.

I still talk to a few guys who go there, it's only been the last few years that the scholarships have become so widespread. Many teachers at the school as well as 90% of the 'real' students don't have much time for the scholarship people, simply put they're known as arrogant mercenaries with ******** for brains. They couldn't care less about the school and are only looking out for themselves. The number I've jokes I've heard about them is incredible. I think you'll find the majority of parents are the same, why should they fork out 15k+ a year just so some kid who can kick a footy can get a free ride?

If it weren't for the scholarships Haileybury would be ordinairy for two reasons in my humble opinion. Firstly, the ethnic makeup, lots of Asians + Indians/Sri Lankans who don't really care for sport. Secondly the structure going right back to year 7 is not right, this is something I would like to see the school work on.

Quite frankly when I read a lot of the stuff on here (90% of which is true) I'm ashamed. I remember the Aths Days where we would come 8th or something, but still make the loudest noise by far. Same goes for the rowing. We didn't care if we lost, it was OUR mates out there giving it their all, not some guy who we didn't know the name of. Now I'm told the atmopshere is like a library at such events. For what it's worth I'm told that only four members of last years footy team had been at the school since year 7.

However Caulfield have done similar in the past, one only needs to look at their Aths team. Most schools give out scholarships as well, lets not forget that. Never the less, not to the extent that my old school does. So please, do not smear the whole Haileybury community with this brush, we are not a joke, the Principal or whoever is responsable for what's going on is. The vast majority of people hate what is going on.
good post champ, very true

[nicho_magic]

I occasionally browse around here but I've never felt the need to post.

With regards to Haileybury, I am an Old Boy and I'd be lying if I said the school doesn't still have a place in my heart. Hence when I see people calling Haileybury a joke I have to say something. However I'm not going to bother defending the scholarship scheme as it's an absolute disgrace, I just want to point out that just because the Principal/Sports people whoever decide to hand out scholarships does not mean that the school community supports it.

I still talk to a few guys who go there, it's only been the last few years that the scholarships have become so widespread. Many teachers at the school as well as 90% of the 'real' students don't have much time for the scholarship people, simply put they're known as arrogant mercenaries with ******** for brains. They couldn't care less about the school and are only looking out for themselves. The number I've jokes I've heard about them is incredible. I think you'll find the majority of parents are the same, why should they fork out 15k+ a year just so some kid who can kick a footy can get a free ride?

If it weren't for the scholarships Haileybury would be ordinairy for two reasons in my humble opinion. Firstly, the ethnic makeup, lots of Asians + Indians/Sri Lankans who don't really care for sport. Secondly the structure going right back to year 7 is not right, this is something I would like to see the school work on.

Quite frankly when I read a lot of the stuff on here (90% of which is true) I'm ashamed. I remember the Aths Days where we would come 8th or something, but still make the loudest noise by far. Same goes for the rowing. We didn't care if we lost, it was OUR mates out there giving it their all, not some guy who we didn't know the name of. Now I'm told the atmopshere is like a library at such events. For what it's worth I'm told that only four members of last years footy team had been at the school since year 7.

However Caulfield have done similar in the past, one only needs to look at their Aths team. Most schools give out scholarships as well, lets not forget that. Never the less, not to the extent that my old school does. So please, do not smear the whole Haileybury community with this brush, we are not a joke, the Principal or whoever is responsable for what's going on is. The vast majority of people hate what is going on.we have someone from the school giving it out

[dutchy12]

Yeah I've heard that most of the normal kids thier don't get on very well witht he scolarships.

Did anyone else hear that St Bedes took legal action on them

[AlwaysCarlton]

The story I was told was that the Principal of St. Bedes had a crack at Haileybury on the front page of his newsletter for pinching all his good players. In response, the Principal of Haileybury said that he would be seeking legal advice. That's all I know. Even though it's not right I don't think St. Bedes have a legal case because a group of teenagers changed school.

[nicho_magic]

The story I was told was that the Principal of St. Bedes had a crack at Haileybury on the front page of his newsletter for pinching all his good players. In response, the Principal of Haileybury said that he would be seeking legal advice. That's all I know. Even though it's not right I don't think St. Bedes have a legal case because a group of teenagers changed school.
yes but he is making a point at it is a general rule amongst aps/ags schools that if a student is at a private school they are untouchable and cannot be poached, shows the scum of haileybury.

[davo4030]

Speaking of giving sports scholraships, an acrticle written in the age today.

Top schools pledge to play fair
By Chee Chee Leung
Education reporter
March 29, 2005

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Guidelines accepted by leading schools reject offering scholarships to win sporting kudos.

Leading private schools have said they will not poach students for their sporting ability, saying it is unfair to recruit athletes for competition success.

Some schools, including Melbourne Grammar and Haileybury College, this month adopted guidelines ruling out scholarships based on "sporting prowess".

The schools have agreed that it is "neither fair nor appropriate" to offer scholarships to senior students to win premierships or gain dominance in particular sports.

The move by the Associated Public Schools of Victoria - a competitive sporting group of 11 schools - comes after allegations emerged last year that some private schools were poaching top students from the Catholic sector.

Michael Urwin, chairman of the APS Heads Association, acknowledged that there had been public speculation for many years, and said he hoped the guidelines would "get rid of all that innuendo".

Advertisement
Advertisement"I think this statement to our communities helps affirm that we don't believe poaching - if we use that term - is appropriate," Mr Urwin said. "We want to run a credible and fair competition."

The other APS schools are Brighton Grammar, Carey Grammar, Caulfield Grammar, Geelong Grammar, Scotch College, St Kevin's College, Geelong College, Wesley College and Xavier College.

It is believed to be the first time in Victoria that a group of non-government schools has produced a set of specific guidelines to tackle the issue of scholarships where sporting expertise is a criterion.

The Age reported last year on claims by the principal of St Bede's College, Mentone, that Haileybury had offered scholarships to some of its best sports performers.

At the time, Haileybury's vice-principal said the school was always interested in finding new talent, but that it was often the parents who made "unsolicited applications".

The principal of Essendon's St Bernard's College, Frank FitzGerald, said there had been a "bidding war" for his students in recent years.

He said the latest case involved a year 8 student and top athlete who received unsolicited phone calls during the summer holidays from a coach offering a scholarship for Caulfield Grammar. A spokesman for that school said it "absolutely denies" the allegation.

Vin Feeney, president of the Principals Association of Victorian Catholic Secondary Schools, recalled one poaching attempt two years ago in which a student was approached in the change rooms after an athletics carnival by a teacher from a prominent eastern suburbs school offering a scholarship.

Mr Feeney said cherry-picking students was "unconscionable behaviour".

The president of the Victorian Association of Secondary School Principals, Andrew Blair, said the guidelines were "a step in the right direction".



I just want to know how the APS intends to police the agreement that there'll be no sports scholarships given out.
It's all well and good saying that "we won't give out sports scholarships" and that they've, "pledged to play fair" but i just don't think it'll happen, and i would like to know what happens to schools that break this boundary and how will they find out if the boundaries been broken??

[Flat Track Bully]

Paul Hood is coach of St Joeys first 18 this year in Herald Shield. He's a good coach and was a good player, won the TAC cup league b & f in 1995, should of got drafted but was too small

Paul Hood spearheaded St.Joey's to the Associated Catholic Colleges title in 1994 (Parade, Assumption, St.Bernard's etc), in a team which Matthew Scarlett (then in year 10) could not find a place in.

Just one player in that team got drafted (Nigel Credlin-Fitzroy).

They also made the semi-finals of the Herald-Sun Shield, before getting pumped by 99 points at Arden Street by a Parade side which had players like Jarrod Molloy (then getting a regualr game at the 'Roys) and half the Northern Knights team which went on to win the TAC Cup.

The Joeys boys benefited from playing together with the schools off shoot footy club on a Saturday, and it was no surprise they went on to win the Geelong league Under 18 title by a cosndierable margin.

[nicho_magic]

Speaking of giving sports scholraships, an acrticle written in the age today.

Top schools pledge to play fair
By Chee Chee Leung
Education reporter
March 29, 2005

Page Tools
Email to a friend Printer format
Guidelines accepted by leading schools reject offering scholarships to win sporting kudos.

Leading private schools have said they will not poach students for their sporting ability, saying it is unfair to recruit athletes for competition success.

Some schools, including Melbourne Grammar and Haileybury College, this month adopted guidelines ruling out scholarships based on "sporting prowess".

The schools have agreed that it is "neither fair nor appropriate" to offer scholarships to senior students to win premierships or gain dominance in particular sports.

The move by the Associated Public Schools of Victoria - a competitive sporting group of 11 schools - comes after allegations emerged last year that some private schools were poaching top students from the Catholic sector.

Michael Urwin, chairman of the APS Heads Association, acknowledged that there had been public speculation for many years, and said he hoped the guidelines would "get rid of all that innuendo".

Advertisement
Advertisement"I think this statement to our communities helps affirm that we don't believe poaching - if we use that term - is appropriate," Mr Urwin said. "We want to run a credible and fair competition."

The other APS schools are Brighton Grammar, Carey Grammar, Caulfield Grammar, Geelong Grammar, Scotch College, St Kevin's College, Geelong College, Wesley College and Xavier College.

It is believed to be the first time in Victoria that a group of non-government schools has produced a set of specific guidelines to tackle the issue of scholarships where sporting expertise is a criterion.

The Age reported last year on claims by the principal of St Bede's College, Mentone, that Haileybury had offered scholarships to some of its best sports performers.

At the time, Haileybury's vice-principal said the school was always interested in finding new talent, but that it was often the parents who made "unsolicited applications".

The principal of Essendon's St Bernard's College, Frank FitzGerald, said there had been a "bidding war" for his students in recent years.

He said the latest case involved a year 8 student and top athlete who received unsolicited phone calls during the summer holidays from a coach offering a scholarship for Caulfield Grammar. A spokesman for that school said it "absolutely denies" the allegation.

Vin Feeney, president of the Principals Association of Victorian Catholic Secondary Schools, recalled one poaching attempt two years ago in which a student was approached in the change rooms after an athletics carnival by a teacher from a prominent eastern suburbs school offering a scholarship.

Mr Feeney said cherry-picking students was "unconscionable behaviour".

The president of the Victorian Association of Secondary School Principals, Andrew Blair, said the guidelines were "a step in the right direction".



I just want to know how the APS intends to police the agreement that there'll be no sports scholarships given out.
It's all well and good saying that "we won't give out sports scholarships" and that they've, "pledged to play fair" but i just don't think it'll happen, and i would like to know what happens to schools that break this boundary and how will they find out if the boundaries been broken??i read this article as well and it is utter rubbish. I know plenty of people on scholarships at heiylebury that wouldn't no what school was due to there success at sport, they are very bad at school. sports scholarships are rampant and they won't stop especially with a principle like heiylebury's

[bgs05]

how do u think brighton grammar will go this year?

[nicho_magic]

how do u think brighton grammar will go this year?
you are from brighton... you tell us

[nicho_magic]

Haileybury have the highest private school fees in victoria. i hear their principle has adopted a new motto.

Haileybury, "pay for someone elses education"

[m.diddy]

Haileybury have the highest private school fees in victoria. i hear their principle has adopted a new motto.

Haileybury, "pay for someone elses education"
No. It's;

"Haileybury, the place where you pay for someone more talented than your son."

[iameviljez]

And with Caufiield

Well you just have to look at all the country boys comign to baord there eg McQualter, Walker, Garubba, Goddard etc.

Don't think Judd was on a scolarship though does anyone know about this?
Yeh, Caulfield is known for it. And now we (Carey) have taken their principal and are now known as "Mini-Caulfield". A lot of the teachers aren't happy about it to say the least.

[AlwaysCarlton]

Yeh, Caulfield is known for it. And now we (Carey) have taken their principal and are now known as "Mini-Caulfield". A lot of the teachers aren't happy about it to say the least.
The interesting thing with these scholarships is that the vast majority of people at the schools aren't happy about it. Yet those in charge continue to do it, shows where their priorities lie. :(

[doggies]

Geelong College have Banjanin (201cm), Rockerfeller, Cordy and Turner from Falcons with more depth than ever. Word is they will do better than everyone expects.
they might be competitive in a match or 2 then?? against geelong grammer and skevs maybe??

[doggies]

they also do it for tennis and i think athletics
and table tennis and chess...and umpiring and catering duties for saturday morning sport.

[doggies]

All 3 of those schools give sporting scolarships but not in the excess of Hailebury.
no one is/was on a swimming scholarship at xavier

[Joe Blow]

And with Caufiield

Well you just have to look at all the country boys comign to baord there eg McQualter, Walker, Garubba, Goddard etc.

Don't think Judd was on a scolarship though does anyone know about this?

don't know where u got that from, garubba wasn't from the country and did not board, and walker did not board either, nor was he on scholarship which is a common misperception

judd initially went to caulfield without a scholarship but was then placed on one

[dutchy12]

don't know where u got that from, garubba wasn't from the country and did not board, and walker did not board either, nor was he on scholarship which is a common misperception

judd initially went to caulfield without a scholarship but was then placed on one

ok yeah just found it a bit hard to believe that the talent of some of those players hadn't been scouted out but if you say there not then yeah

[dutchy12]

Carrazzo is playing well tonight

[Joe Blow]

ok yeah just found it a bit hard to believe that the talent of some of those players hadn't been scouted out but if you say there not then yeah

goddard and mcqualter were definatly scouted though from the country

[yehrighto]

what do you all think of who the real contenders will be this year and also standout players in the competition, especially form each school.

[Marns]

Oi Milnedog, what yr you in? Seems we've got a few xavvers here.

[bartos]

Haileybury have paid bout $200,000 for their 1st team so you'd tip them to win this year

scotch's top players would be nick smith, andrew ainger, ed barlow with a pretty even team behind them

[catfan29]

Oi Milnedog, what yr you in? Seems we've got a few xavvers here.
Does seem to be a few Xavier boys here.

Milnedog aka Flegz (prefect) and myself both finished last year

What year are youn in Marns?

Who else from here is from xavier, Ablett Factor?

[PJ-Rod]

Watch out for MGS in 2005 and 2006. Ellis, Vance, Hawkins and McCoy.

[ablett factor]

Does seem to be a few Xavier boys here.

Milnedog aka Flegz (prefect) and myself both finished last year

What year are youn in Marns?

Who else from here is from xavier, Ablett Factor?

yeah i am lewis ;) , im luke, cam bells mate.

[m.diddy]

Does seem to be a few Xavier boys here.

Milnedog aka Flegz (prefect) and myself both finished last year

What year are youn in Marns?

Who else from here is from xavier, Ablett Factor?
yes last year

[catfan29]

yeah i am lewis ;) , im luke, cam bells mate.
lol ********, I had no idea.

[Marns]

Does seem to be a few Xavier boys here.

Milnedog aka Flegz (prefect) and myself both finished last year

What year are youn in Marns?

Who else from here is from xavier, Ablett Factor?
Aah, I see, yeah Im in yr.12 this year. :(

[m.diddy]

Aah, I see, yeah Im in yr.12 this year. :(
chin up.

[roger merret]

Does anyone know about the year 12 group at Melbourne Grammar, they lost most of their senior players last year didn't they?

[trevor55]

chin up.
How many chins do you have milnedog? Quit kid, give up... ;)

[m.diddy]

How many chins do you have milnedog? Quit kid, give up... ;)
Considering the phrase chins up came from yourself.

[trevor55]

Considering the phrase chins up came from yourself.
:confused: I think you are another planet to us kid :confused:

[oooze]

The player from Scotch to watch is not any of theo nes listed. It would be young James Strouss in year 9. Around 6 foot, national runner, class act. Will be Scotch's main chance to claim a real gem here. Playing for chargers. watch evolve.

[bartos]

James Strauss- yep all class that kid, but he's only year 9... very doubtful he'd play firsts this year. wouldnt surprise me if he did tho cuz when compared to the rest of his 9A team mates, he looks like he's played 5 years longer than any other player.