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Milenko
10 Mar 2005, 15:04
Where to from here for WA spinners, George Bradley Hogg and Beau Casson? Hogg was made 12th man today at the Gabba, whilst poor Beau can't even get a look into the team.
WA selectors continue to persist with a four-pronged pace attack. Is this symptomatic of the pitches prepared of late, or is there are deep-seated incapacity of the selectors to trust spinners to win games for WA?
IMHO, our attack should consist of three pace bowlers (in peak form and full fitness that would be Williams, M Clark and Dorey) and one spinner (at the very least Casson in Pura and Hogg in ING).
Magoffin and Edmondson are serviceable at best, but they effectively do the job of one bowler.
Will either or both of Casson and Hogg move interstate? Hogg has reportedly threatened to do so, while there has been constant speculation that Casson may be lured east also, although he says he is happy in WA when asked.
Milenko
10 Mar 2005, 15:09
Alternatively, the non-conspiracy theory is that we are overloading on pace stocks because we're carrying two half-fit bowlers (Williams & Dorey). :D
Cooldude
10 Mar 2005, 15:12
Said it a long time ago that Casson should be looking to move states.
funkyfreo
10 Mar 2005, 15:15
It does seem odd given the general consensus at the start of the season that our pace bowling attack was stuffed (save for Williams), and the Hogg is a stalward of the Aussie 1day side, and Casson is touted as a big future prospect.
pav_is_god
10 Mar 2005, 16:28
The side just doesn't looked balanced to me without a frontline spinner.
They have spinners in WA??? But seriously u need to have at least one playing... come on... what are the selectors smoking???
Milenko
10 Mar 2005, 17:37
They have spinners in WA??? But seriously u need to have at least one playing... come on... what are the selectors smoking???
Crack. I think Tyrone is on the WA selection panel. :D
Nah i reckon it all stems from playing guys like Dorey and Williams who are odds-on to break down each game (just like today).
Crack. I think Tyrone is on the WA selection panel. :D
Nah i reckon it all stems from playing guys like Dorey and Williams who are odds-on to break down each game (just like today).
Oh well... U can't help bad luck... Looks like the future of WA cricket is in good hands ;)
Black Thunder
10 Mar 2005, 18:42
Casson is such a talent and he can't be held back any longer. And WA pitches will only hinder his progress, even once he gets into the team on a permenant basis.
I think he should seriously consider moving interstate. Where to though??
Queensland - pretty strong bowling line-up, but lack of spinners - he could just crack it in there and the gabba pitch is an awesome pitch for someone to develop their game.
South Australia - hmmmm, two good young spinners there already.
New South Wales - definate chance. MacGill may be there, but he's in and out of the side just as much as Hogg, and the pitch is obviousbly condusive to spin. NSW could even be inclined to play two spinners if they're playing well enough.....
Victoria - doubt it. Not with White there already and captaining them.
Tasmania - possibly. Would get in the team for sure, but there isn't many Taswegians work their way into the international arena....
New South Wales - definate chance. MacGill may be there, but he's in and out of the side just as much as Hogg, and the pitch is obviousbly condusive to spin. NSW could even be inclined to play two spinners if they're playing well enough.....
Victoria - doubt it. Not with White there already and captaining them.
Disagree with these two. Hogg is an ODI regular (or an ODI squad regular), so he misses a lot more cricket than MacGill who only plays the ocassional Test.
As for Victoria and Cameron White. He's really become more of a batting all-rounder now, and I think thats how it will stay. The team they've fielded for this current match has: Inness, Lewis, Harwood, Harvey and White as the bowling options. You wonder if perhaps that's one too many pacemen and lacking a real genuine spinner.
Enter Casson, who would complement White nicely since his stock delivery goes the other way.
crowsarethebest
10 Mar 2005, 19:58
Disagree with these two. Hogg is an ODI regular (or an ODI squad regular), so he misses a lot more cricket than MacGill who only plays the ocassional Test.
As for Victoria and Cameron White. He's really become more of a batting all-rounder now, and I think thats how it will stay. The team they've fielded for this current match has: Inness, Lewis, Harwood, Harvey and White as the bowling options. You wonder if perhaps that's one too many pacemen and lacking a real genuine spinner.
Enter Casson, who would complement White nicely since his stock delivery goes the other way.
Yeah agree with you Dave, White is not a frontline spinner.. more of a 60% batsman and 40% bowler now.. that figure will turn more and more because it looks like he's concentrating on batting
Fred Yeomans
10 Mar 2005, 20:08
Queensland - pretty strong bowling line-up, but lack of spinners - he could just crack it in there and the gabba pitch is an awesome pitch for someone to develop their game.
A bit of trivia ..... Qld have never played a specialist left-arm wrist spinner in their Pura Cup/Sheffield Shield team. I think one afternoon Harry Frei (a left arm pace bowler) might have bowled a few overs of wrist spin for some variety.
Shaun Flegler played 1 game for Qld bowling left arm finger spin. However he did occasionally bowl wrist spin in grade cricket & may have bowled some for Victoria.
johnnyhoward
10 Mar 2005, 20:12
WA don't really need a spinner for games at the WACA, so it's a waste having a talent such as Casson in the side I think he should move to QLD.
As for Victoria, you'd have Inness, Lewis and Harwood as the frontline pacemen, and then Casson and Warne alternating the spinners spot.
I'm not well up with the Victorian Premier cricket spinners, but the selectors don't seem to be pushing any of them.
I agree that White probably isn't a front line spinner, so Victoria certainly could do with one.
I'm not well up with the Victorian Premier cricket spinners, but the selectors don't seem to be pushing any of them.
I agree that White probably isn't a front line spinner, so Victoria certainly could do with one.
Watch out for Josh Mangon :)
Watch out for Josh Mangon :)
Cheers. I have just googled Josh Mangan and he sounds very promising. I'll watch out.
sinepari
11 Mar 2005, 18:01
WA don't really need a spinner for games at the WACA, .
Thats such a myth. I believe that w.a plays so much better at the WACA with a spinner
Look at S.A at the WACA last week, with Cullen taking 5 for.
johnnyhoward
11 Mar 2005, 20:42
is that because of the variation that spin provides to an attack?
Lenny29
11 Mar 2005, 21:18
A bit of trivia ..... Qld have never played a specialist left-arm wrist spinner in their Pura Cup/Sheffield Shield team. I think one afternoon Harry Frei (a left arm pace bowler) might have bowled a few overs of wrist spin for some variety.
Shaun Flegler played 1 game for Qld bowling left arm finger spin. However he did occasionally bowl wrist spin in grade cricket & may have bowled some for Victoria.
Paul Jackson played a million games bowling left arm finger spin too.
Fred Yeomans
11 Mar 2005, 21:26
Paul Jackson played a million games bowling left arm finger spin too.
Yes, Paul Jackson performed reasonably well. He kept things very tight but was not very penetrative. However the trivia I mentioned was specifically referring to left arm wrist spinners.
Mick Raymer was probably the best left arm finger spinner to have played for Queensland.
Cheers. I have just googled Josh Mangan and he sounds very promising. I'll watch out.
Youll be watching district seconds today as hes been dropped.
Youll be watching district seconds today as hes been dropped.
Oh well, he's young. Looking at his recent record he hasn't been taking as many wickets as he was earlier in the season, but he did make 26 not out last round.
According to the website, they are playing the seconds on Thursday, but it is still a bit far for me to travel to. I may well check the results though.
Norfolk Nadia
15 Mar 2005, 16:18
What the wozzies need is for Ervine to come good so they can play him as an all rounder . They have struggled to get their balance right ever since Moody retired .
Hogg can play the all rounder but that leaves out Casson who is a very good bowler
5 batsmen
Gilly/Campbell/Ronchi - keeper
Ervine - all rounder
Hogg/Casson - spinner
3 quicks
Milenko
15 Mar 2005, 22:50
What the wozzies need is for Ervine to come good so they can play him as an all rounder . They have struggled to get their balance right ever since Moody retired .
Nup. Pretty irrelevant, the spinner is the all-rounder to provide batting depth. What we desperately need is 3 quicks with penetration.
Williams is over the hill.
Dorey breaks down more than Bruce Reid ever did.
Edmonson is erratic and expensive.
Magoffin is an honest trundler at best.
Wates can swing it but lacks pace to trouble the better batsmen in the comp.
Clark....see Dorey.
We will be also-rans until we build a quality attack, and that is the truth. Forget Katich, the loss of Nicholson was a massive blow to WA cricket. :(
Norfolk Nadia
16 Mar 2005, 13:23
Jack was more erratic and more expensive than Eddo
Cassons batting isn't strong enough to be an all rounder
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Hogg's FC bowling isn't penetrative enough to be a frontline spinner
Bentleigh
16 Mar 2005, 16:12
Where to from here for WA spinners, George Bradley Hogg and Beau Casson? Hogg was made 12th man today at the Gabba, whilst poor Beau can't even get a look into the team.
It sad to think an Australian player (ok... ODI) in Hogg cannot make the WA 11 :confused:
Beau Casson to Victoria. :)
Hogg can play the all rounder but that leaves out Casson who is a very good bowler
5 batsmen
Gilly/Campbell/Ronchi - keeper
Ervine - all rounder
Hogg/Casson - spinner
3 quicks
Is Ervine that much better than Hogg batting wise?
Norfolk Nadia
16 Mar 2005, 16:32
Ervine's batting would be about equal with Hogg (hopefully)
I like Casson as a bowler but I think his batting is holding back his selection as the wozzies selectors are reluctant to only play 3 quicks .
and having 5 rabbits at the bottom of the order is asking for trouble
Campbell will almost certainly retire in the next week or so...so that means Ronchi will be in the side next summer...the batting is certainly strong (Langer/Paris for half the summer plus North, Rogers, Goodwin, Marsh, Voges and possibly Dighton)...it's bowlers we need.
Hoggy!!! should probably make way for Casson (in the FC games) and I say throw the Coetzee kiddie in and see what happens.
corporal
17 Mar 2005, 11:28
How has Ervine's form been WA grade cricket?
I always thought he was a good cricketer when he played for Zimbawe
Norfolk Nadia
17 Mar 2005, 12:21
Ervine started off very badly - few runs or wickets - but has improved towards the end of the season
427 runs @ 30.5
HS 119
1 100's , 2 50's
23 wickets @ 24.52
BB 5/42
Cameron_K
17 Mar 2005, 12:42
WA are facing a real problem next year as CA has changed the rules allowing only one overseas player per state. At this stage Ervine and Goodwin are both classed as overseas players as Ervine signed a contract with Hampshire.
Ervine scored 119 last week to guide Fremantle through to the Semi Finals and has been a much improved player after christmas both with the bat and ball.
Norfolk Nadia
17 Mar 2005, 12:53
Won't Goodwin have served his 4 years Oz qualification by next season ?
Cameron_K
17 Mar 2005, 13:09
Apparently it depends on his contract with his county side.