View Full Version : Micheal Clarke of late.
Bentleigh
19 Mar 2005, 11:15
Averaged dropped to under 45.
Last few knocks:
Aust v NZ.
2nd Test
8 Runs.
Aust v NZ.
1st Test
8 Runs.
Aust v Paki
SCG
35 runs.
Aust c Paki
MCG
20 runs
Aust v Paki
WACA
27 runs
Aust v Paki
WACA
1 run
Aust v New
SA
7 runs
Average of about 15 me thinks.
http://www.howstat.com.au/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerBatGraph.asp?PlayerID=3067
big_sav
19 Mar 2005, 13:14
it is a bit alarming isnt it
hes one day form has been great but his scores in the longer version of the game just havent been up to scratch
it might be close again with katich in good form and lehmann coming back from injury to fight for the 2 spots at 5 & 6 for the ashes series
BulldogMike
19 Mar 2005, 13:17
If he's struggling in the Test arena get him out and Mike Hussey in.
bettsie
19 Mar 2005, 13:18
yeh he hasnt been doing that well, if he doesnt score in the nz series i would put take him out, hell definetly be back though..i doubt hell be dropped though.
I was waiting for this thread :rolleyes:
The selectors have made their bed and they should stick with him IMO
Bentleigh
19 Mar 2005, 13:53
I was waiting for this thread :rolleyes:
Have I done something wrong? :(
Clarke = ODI Player ONLY :cool:
Hopefully the selectors show some faith in the kid for a while, but if he continues to struggle then they have to do something. This country has far too much talent to be carrying players that are not performing, so he will have to do something soon.
If he keeps failing then Hodge will be looking good for the Ashes. He has a fantastic record in county cricket and plays in English conditions well. Clarke was woeful in UK last year also...
Wouldn't do Clarke any harm to be dropped and have to make runs. Arguable didn't score a lot of runs to gain his test place, made it more on reputation and talent.
Have I done something wrong? :(
Nah. It is just that the least performing batsmen in any series always cops a hard time too quickly. Let him ride out the series and see what happens.
I was waiting for this thread :rolleyes:
The selectors have made their bed and they should stick with him IMO
I wasnt happy when he came in but I agree he should be left in for a year and then see where he is.
YoYo cricketers dont get a feel for their spot..which is why they say its harder to get out of the Aussie cricket team than in
Yes his form worries me but leave him there till October and look back
Cassius_Clay
19 Mar 2005, 14:51
Clarke = ODI Player ONLY :cool:
at the moment anyway.....maybe a little time off in the test arena might do him good.
Cooldude
19 Mar 2005, 15:09
No matter what happens, his flight to England is as well as booked
eddiesmith
19 Mar 2005, 16:34
He is the wonder********, will never be dropped. NSW players are allowed 12-18 months without a decent score before they consider dropping them
If he fails in the 2nd dig, Id drop him for the dead rubber and give Hodgey a game. If hodgey performs then Clarke will need to fight for his spot
The problem you can get from an immature ******** like him is he was handed a spot in the test team because of age, not performances, and he feels safe. Fighting for a spot would help him in the future. If he feels he doesnt need to fight to keep his spot then he will keep struggling along and not worrying.
Sometimes you just have to send a message to a player, no one is safe
Bentleigh
19 Mar 2005, 16:37
GoldenBollocks.
Reminds me Of Micheal Owen :D
If he fails in the 2nd dig, Id drop him for the dead rubber and give Hodgey a game. If hodgey performs then Clarke will need to fight for his spot
Yeah i agree. Should have to fight for his spot. They should drop him and fly Mike Hussey over.
Cooldude
19 Mar 2005, 16:45
GoldenBollocks.
Reminds me Of Micheal Owen :D
More like David Beckham, all media hype, no performances, but will never be droppped
Bentleigh
19 Mar 2005, 16:47
More like David Beckham, all media hype, no performances, but will never be droppped
I beleive Clarke the the potential to be the next Ponting. :)
eddiesmith
19 Mar 2005, 16:49
Mike Hussey? Yeah right, they aint gonna fly a player over to NZ for one match when they have a better, more consistent batsman over there
Cooldude
19 Mar 2005, 16:49
I beleive Clarke the the potential to be the next Ponting. :)
That reply seems to have absolutely no connection whatsoever with the post you quoted, yet you quoted it? :confused:
Bentleigh
19 Mar 2005, 16:59
That reply seems to have absolutely no connection whatsoever with the post you quoted, yet you quoted it? :confused:
Hehe.
While Beckham is overrated and could be said makes the Real & England 11 without deserving a spot, I reckon Clarke is differnt in the sence he has the abilty to be a special player.
johnnyhoward
19 Mar 2005, 19:32
If he fails in the 2nd dig, Id drop him for the dead rubber and give Hodgey a game. If hodgey performs then Clarke will need to fight for his spot
it doesnt work like that. If clarke fails in the 2nd dig, then they will keep him for the 3rd test so he regains form.
eddiesmith
19 Mar 2005, 20:08
He has been failing for a while now. So what happens if he fails in the 3rd test as well?
Your better trying a new player in the 3rd test of this series instead of waiting till the start of the most important series this current side has played
Groucho
19 Mar 2005, 20:28
He was averaging high 30's when selected for his first test. He averaged high 30's playing in England last year (when the better Australian batsmen averaged over 50). He's an exciting player and will be persevered with because he'll occasionally play a blinder and win a match but he's gradually finding his correct average at Test level.
Minkus_Swan
19 Mar 2005, 20:38
Australia persited with Ponting for only a short amount of time after his debut. It was most likely to to give him a taste, then they dropped him (unfairly at the time). He then came back with a great year in 1997, but he quickly became inconsistent, lost form and had his moments in the spotlight (king cross). The selectors still persited, giving him every opportunity and chance to realise his potential.
I think the selectors will do something similar with Clarke, as he seems to have the same potential and qualities as Ponting. Although I don't think he should be dropped if he fails the next test either. It's impossible for Clarke to maintain his early test form for every test series anyway.
eddiesmith
19 Mar 2005, 20:48
No one expects him to keep his early test form, that was more a fluke than the norm we will see.
But you would expect from an Australian player, the best team in the world with many quality batsman on the outer, a better performance from that. With a young player like that you have to question his mindset a bit, is he feeling safe? Does he think his One Day form will hold his place in the test side?
Lehmann failed in the same period, and everyone called for him to be dropped.
dan warna
19 Mar 2005, 20:50
the selectors have a long history of continuing with dud nsw ers :D for years of failure, (see mark waugh, the last 15 or 20 test matches for brett lee, bevo's entire test career etc)
he should get another year of failure before they ditch him by history :D
seriously though I do think he is a good player and will be a test player with an average of 42 to 46, however like punter, langers, haydos, boon etc he needs to get to dropped to see what his character is like, if he does and come back better then he could be the next punter.
if he doesn't then good riddance.
he isn't captain material yet, but he seems good enough to play test cricket.
I told ya's Clarkey was no good! He's a disgrace to the Australian cricket team with his meterosexual gay whatever ya wanna call it style.
He is a good play of spinners, but lacks something against fast bowlers. I always said from the start Clarke won't go to the Ashes, the chances of that are looking better by the day.
Bentleigh
20 Mar 2005, 11:40
It's impossible for Clarke to maintain his early test form for every test series anyway.
He's not going to score a ton every test but if you at his last 8 or knocks hes out of form.
Including his centurys he is now averging 40ish.
Cooldude
20 Mar 2005, 15:42
Beckham's inspirational
:D :D :D Sorry, but I have to laugh at that
Bentleigh
20 Mar 2005, 15:58
Beckham's inspirational
Gerrad or Lampard = inspirational
Beckham = shyte
Anyone who says Beckham is not inspirational must be ugly
m.diddy
20 Mar 2005, 16:05
Anyone who says Beckham is not inspirational must be ugly
why must he be ugly? that makes no sense
beckham's trademark free kicks will be remembered forever
Cooldude
20 Mar 2005, 16:38
beckham's trademark free kicks will be remembered forever
And his penalty kicks more so
Bombers_Forever
21 Mar 2005, 05:47
What amazes me is when Martyn is struggling, it is a major story and yet even today, the media is writing nothing about the Golden Child's form slump. They have just swept it under the carpet.
Well done Marto on your latest century..........
Cricket is the ultimate equalizer.
He started off in a blaze of glory, but his first class average of 38ish will catch up with him. Expect his test average to keep falling below 40.
bunsen burner
21 Mar 2005, 08:28
Clarke must go on ashes tour. He seems to be struggling to me but it's too early to drop him. Failure to get a decent score in the third test and failure in the 1st Ashes test should see him dropped.
I'm quite confident Clarke will be a 100 test cricketer. He needs to be nurtured and given time. Dropping him on this tour is too early. If he doesn't perform early on the Ashes then not dropping him would start to be to his own detriment. Remember Ponting was dropped early too.
Having said that, when he chases a ball towards the boundary, does anyone else think he runs like a girl?
Cricket is the ultimate equalizer.
He started off in a blaze of glory, but his first class average of 38ish will catch up with him. Expect his test average to keep falling below 40.
I hope he comes good, but you might just be right. Hasn't the talent of Ponting at a young age, hasn't really scored a consistent glut of runs.
Barry Schneider
21 Mar 2005, 12:32
There is no need to drop him while we are winning.He is the future of Australian cricket and will be nursed along until he recaptures his form.
The beauty about Clarke is that even when he is not scoring runs he contributes with a run out or takes a wicket when needed.
There is no need to drop him while we are winning.He is the future of Australian cricket and will be nursed along until he recaptures his form.
The beauty about Clarke is that even when he is not scoring runs he contributes with a run out or takes a wicket when needed.
MAY be the future of Australian cricket, don't jump the gun yet. Let the kid prove himself.
It would be naive to think he will not be dropped at some stage in his career.
Barry Schneider
21 Mar 2005, 12:44
MAY be the future of Australian cricket, don't jump the gun yet. Let the kid prove himself.
It would be naive to think he will not be dropped at some stage in his career.
He did win the Border medal for best Australian cricketer last season so I think I can say with some justification he is the future of Australian cricket.You can't get any better than that.
He has had an infinitely better start to his career than Steve Waugh,Matthew Hayden, and a host of outstanding players.
Clarke himself said that he will go through a form slump at some stage and I think he should have said stages.
I think he needs to tighten up his technique especially in the early part of his innings as he does tend to waft outside off stump.
Plus he struggled with Akhtar pace at times.
I am not saying the sun shines out of his backside but I do think small form slumps will be tolerated by the selectors. Steve Waugh is the classic example of sticking with a young talented player even when he is not scoring many.
Cooldude
21 Mar 2005, 13:18
The AB medal is a joke and a stunt, winning it means nothing, it won't be something an Australian cricketer would be talking about after they retired
Blue Red and Gold
21 Mar 2005, 13:43
The AB medal is a joke and a stunt, winning it means nothing, it won't be something an Australian cricketer would be talking about after they retired
and exactly who are you to suggest something like this? How would you know if it means anything to an Australian player? :rolleyes:
I agree that Clarke is the future of the Australian team but I dont think dropping him early in his career will harm him at all and as others have said will probably aid him as it did others.
Cooldude
21 Mar 2005, 13:50
and exactly who are you to suggest something like this? How would you know if it means anything to an Australian player? :rolleyes:
I'm sure Glenn McGrath, Steve Waugh, Adam Gilchrist and Ricky Ponting are still raving on and on and on about how they won the AB medal as of today.
I'm sure Steve Waugh actually put the AB medal into his list of achievements when he was retiring.
I'm sure people refer to those blokes as Allan Border medallists.
Blue Red and Gold
21 Mar 2005, 13:59
I'm sure Glenn McGrath, Steve Waugh, Adam Gilchrist and Ricky Ponting are still raving on and on and on about how they won the AB medal as of today.
I'm sure Steve Waugh actually put the AB medal into his list of achievements when he was retiring.
I'm sure people refer to those blokes as Allan Border medallists.
Every player who has won the award have all commented on how much it means to them etc etc, I know they probably have to say this but christ, we do not know whats going on in their head or how they are feeling, we have to take what they are saying on face value.
You are just assuming and quite frankly you have no idea.
It is a new concept, it does not have the history to it. The Brownlow was not such a massive deal years and years ago, they didnt have any award ceremony they had nothing, but now after the prestige and history has had a chance to be established it is by far the highest individual honour.
Juts because someone won it who people dont agree with it is a stunt? :rolleyes:
Can we say the same after Woewodin won the Brownlow? Does that take away the prestige from other worth winners? Of course not.
Cooldude
21 Mar 2005, 14:26
Every player who has won the award have all commented on how much it means to them etc etc, I know they probably have to say this but christ, we do not know whats going on in their head or how they are feeling, we have to take what they are saying on face value.
You are just assuming and quite frankly you have no idea.
I'm sure Stephen Waugh ranks winning the AB medal in the top 10 of his cricketing achievements? Of course they have to say it, they're not gonna come out and say the award's a farce that it is.
I'm not assuming, I'm calling it as I see it: Players, the sane media and sane people don't treat it with any real seriousness, just a night to show off fashion and have a few drinks, whatever awards they might happen to win is a bonus.
It is a new concept, it does not have the history to it. The Brownlow was not such a massive deal years and years ago, they didnt have any award ceremony they had nothing, but now after the prestige and history has had a chance to be established it is by far the highest individual honour.
Juts because someone won it who people dont agree with it is a stunt? :rolleyes:
It's stunt, because the voting system's a joke and there's no suspense whatsoever. Brownlow has around 10-15 people capable of winning it year in year out, whereas the AB medal only has two or even only one. The Brownlow's prestige and history was built because their system do work, and it does create tension amongst the players on who'd actually want to win it and actually means something to them. The AB? Oh please.
It is nothing like the Brownlow, anyone who compares it to the Brownlow need their heads examined, it's just a very poor rip off of it.
Can we say the same after Woewodin won the Brownlow? Does that take away the prestige from other worth winners? Of course not.
Brownlow is different, as I've already said, dozens of people can win it and the tipped winner hardly ever wins it, AB medal's just a fashion stunt where you know the only two blokes who can win it a month before the thing is on, and the voting system, as I've already touched on, is full of flaws.
Dog Town
21 Mar 2005, 16:07
The selectors made a mistake originally when they picked him before his performances had warranted it but now that he is in there I am not sure whether it would do him any good long term if he was to be dropped.It will be a delicate issue for the selectors.This sort of thing can make or break players and it really is down to how each individual handles it.You look at M.Waugh and he was the golden boy for so long that he never got dropped and in the end I think it meant that he never had to work on his deficiencies and never improved.In comparison Ponting,Langer,Martyn and S.Waugh both came back more complete and hardened players after being dropped so you can mount a big case to say that it is beneficial.
I think he has some technique issues against quick bowling that need to be resolved before he can become a consistent player at the top level.His quick feet make him hard to stop against the spinners but he plays away from his body against the quciks and doesn't get his body in line with the ball.
Cooldude I am sure Carji Greeves didnt think much of his Brownlow either, but it doesnt diminish it. And what do you mean no suspense? I am sure during this years Brownlow count you were more interested in seeing if Rebecca Twigleys Duct tape came apart than who was leading. :cool:
Its fine if you dont respect the medal but to say the players think its a farce is assuming knowledge you dont have.
Brownlow is different, as I've already said, dozens of people can win it and the tipped winner hardly ever wins it, AB medal's just a fashion stunt where you know the only two blokes who can win it a month before the thing is on, and the voting system, as I've already touched on, is full of flaws.I am confused..even with a flawed voting system you say its between 2 players? Special insight? I never even thought of MC winning it..I was after Marto or Gilly
skipper kelly
22 Mar 2005, 00:30
Clarke has a flawed technique and flawed techniques get found out.
Crooked Rain
22 Mar 2005, 02:37
it is a bit alarming isnt it
hes one day form has been great but his scores in the longer version of the game just havent been up to scratch
it might be close again with katich in good form and lehmann coming back from injury to fight for the 2 spots at 5 & 6 for the ashes series
Not surprising considering his average first class stats.
mulhollanddrive
22 Mar 2005, 04:25
As has been said, he has horrible outside off stump technique, just hangs the bat out there sometimes. I can see though with maturity it could be fixed, just like Ponting.
bunsen burner
22 Mar 2005, 07:41
The selectors made a mistake originally when they picked him before his performances had warranted it Did you think the same about Shane Warne?
defentialy struggling, good batsmen dont get out to nathan astle
Cooldude
22 Mar 2005, 10:29
I am confused..even with a flawed voting system you say its between 2 players? Special insight? I never even thought of MC winning it..I was after Marto or Gilly
Gilly? Never thought of him winning it at all, didn't have a great year last year.
Last year, everyone said Marto, and a few biased NSWers said Clarke, that's about it. Really no one else was mentioned.
Dog Town
22 Mar 2005, 17:26
Did you think the same about Shane Warne?Cant remember to be honest but Warne was picked for more of a horses for courses type situation originally.They were looking for a spinner for Sydney.I just dont think Clarke was ready at the time.I have no doubt he will work through his problems but at the moment he has obvious problems against quality quick bowling.
demon_dave
22 Mar 2005, 22:21
If he's struggling in the Test arena get him out and Mike Hussey in.
to much too soon, his ego was massaged way to early
I'd like to see Hodge batting at 5 or 6 during the Ashes. He's scored a mountain for runs in both Aus and the UK over the last 3 years and would be a better bet IMO that Clarke.
bunsen burner
23 Mar 2005, 08:15
Cant remember to be honest but Warne was picked for more of a horses for courses type situation originally.They were looking for a spinner for Sydney.I just dont think Clarke was ready at the time.I have no doubt he will work through his problems but at the moment he has obvious problems against quality quick bowling.Maybe so, but the selectors had identified Shane Warne as a special talent even though he had a very ordinary Shield average. They've just done the same thing with Clarke and judging by his ODI form and early test form which culminated in the AB Medal, it seems they got it right.
I don't see how you can say you think they picked him too early. Sure he's not looking the goods now, but most players go through a form slump. If he has to be dropped, then so be it. He'll most likely be better for the experience. He already knows he can cut it in test cricket and just needs to get back there.
the lemon wedge
23 Mar 2005, 10:27
there is no way they will drop him future captain the next biggest thing in world cricket if not alredy has been out standing in the last two one day touraments india speaks for its self great in the field chips in with crutial wickets will be a certain starter in the number 5 position for the 1st test of the ashes carnt believe people wont him dropped no idea some of yous
crazy_big_al
23 Mar 2005, 12:52
yes he has not been playing that well recently
kangaroo19
23 Mar 2005, 19:09
there is no way they will drop him future captain the next biggest thing in world cricket if not alredy has been out standing in the last two one day touraments india speaks for its self great in the field chips in with crutial wickets will be a certain starter in the number 5 position for the 1st test of the ashes carnt believe people wont him dropped no idea some of yous
no idea how to write a sentence
Dog Town
23 Mar 2005, 19:19
Maybe so, but the selectors had identified Shane Warne as a special talent even though he had a very ordinary Shield average. .Yeah I pretty much agree but it is slightly different with Warne being a spin bowler.They are such hit and miss prospects and over the years pretty much every spinner picked for Australia has been fairly run of the mill at the level below.Most spinners dont really kick on until they get a bag or two because spin bowling has alot to do with the fear factor.We had a dearth of spinners with not a great deal who were banging down the door.Clarke on the other hand as talented as he is had jumped the queue ahead of guys who have plugged away at it for years.
They've just done the same thing with Clarke and judging by his ODI form and early test form which culminated in the AB Medal, it seems they got it right.
.Yeah well he is a talented kid but as I pointed out in my original post he is very adept against spin bowling because of his Slater like quick feet but his technique is being found out against quick bowling.It is debatable as to whether he should have been made to correct it before being exposed to international cricket.Dismissals like the one against Pakistan where his feet were going towards square leg cant be doing alot for his confidence.He started well over in India where they bowled 75% spin,was just ok in Australia and has been dissapointing in New Zealand.One dayers shouldn't even be recorded as statistics.
I don't see how you can say you think they picked him too early. Sure he's not looking the goods now, but most players go through a form slump. If he has to be dropped, then so be it. He'll most likely be better for the experience. He already knows he can cut it in test cricket and just needs to get back there.I am sitting on the fence as to whether or not he should be dropped now that he has been picked.Just think it is dangerous now that he has been picked.
Clarke = ODI Player ONLY :cool:
Oh how totally correct I was :D
Now, if only you Australians would listen... :o
LIONS then DAYLIGHT
1 Nov 2005, 04:27
Oh how totally correct I was :D
Now, if only you Australians would listen... :o
Mate, i for one sometimes find it hard on these forums to distinguish between people making serious comments or making comments to inflame a situation.
Clark is a young cricketer and anyone that knows cricket knows that it takes a few years for a young gun to develop and maintain a average in the highs 40's or the 50's.
Clark is the most talented young batsmen since a young Ricky Ponting made his debut against the Sri Lankans about 10 years ago.
I had a look at Rickys cumulative average after each of his test matchs on cricinfo and after 30 tests Ricky Ponting was averaging about 38. After 50 tests his average soared and i expect the same to happen to Clark.
Ricky Ponting is now one of Australia's finest ever batsmen. But like i said, people on these forums will over-look facts just to stick the knife into a young cricketer. I cringe to think what would happen if he was from Victoria.
Short term pain = Long term gain.
LIVE IT
You see, he isnt your best young talent.
Tait is a much ebtter young talent, heck even the 20 year old Ferguson is a better prospect.
Terribly overrated.
Smokey_22
1 Nov 2005, 11:46
You see, he isnt your best young talent.
Tait is a much ebtter young talent, heck even the 20 year old Ferguson is a better prospect.
Terribly overrated.
want a tissue?
DynamoUltra
1 Nov 2005, 12:34
I agree. I've become terribly frustrated at Clarke. There are plenty of others around him dying for a go, but there is no talk of dropping him - it's all centre around Hayden, Katich and Martyn (gone). Why not Clarke? With an average of only 38, how long can we give him? He's been in the team for over 12 months now and has not been able to stabilise the middle order. Warne and Lee saved Australia from humiliating defeats in England while Hayden and Martyn copped the flack. He needs some time playing for Australia A, or not in any of the Australian teams at all. Your spot in the Australian side isn't a given - oh wait, he's a New South Welshman...
Pick up your game Michael Clarke.
want a tissue?
Got any new material instead of copying other ******s?
No? thought so.
Smokey_22
1 Nov 2005, 15:50
Got any new material instead of copying other ******s?
No? thought so.
No, i didnt realise other people post 'want a tissue' as well. But to say tait and Ferguson are better prospects then Clarke as absolutely idiotic. You have no respect whatsoever for him, and even when he does start topping the stats later in his career you still wont.
No, i didnt realise other people post 'want a tissue' as well. But to say tait and Ferguson are better prospects then Clarke as absolutely idiotic. You have no respect whatsoever for him, and even when he does start topping the stats later in his career you still wont.
Haha.
If he makes runs, do you think I will be here again?
If he made runs, do you think I would have been here?
No.
Cooldude
1 Nov 2005, 18:05
My boy will make runs, don't ya worry about that
No thread of Bentleigh deserves to be bumped. What happened to that poof
Crooked Rain
3 Nov 2005, 01:20
The selectors cerianly took a gamble by putting their faith in a bloke who averaged only 36 in first class cricket at the time of his Test debut.
The rubbish state of Test bowling around the world should ensure Clarkey finds some runs sooner rather than later.