View Full Version : 2nd Test: West Indies vs South Africa @ Queen's Park Port-of-Spain
The A team is back for the Windies with Gayle, Lara, Sarwan and Bravo returning at the expense of Smith, Ganga, Deonarine and the ill Ryan Hinds, but Chanderpaul retains the captaincy. For South Africa, Pollock is still at home and Langeveldt and Hall have been dropped for Mondeki who took 6 wickets in his last innings and Prince.
West Indies: Wavell Hinds, Chris Gayle, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Brian Lara, *Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Donovan Pagon, Dwayne Bravo, +Courtney Browne, Pedro Collins, Reon King, Darren Powell
South Africa: *Graeme Smith, Abraham de Villiers, Jacques Rudolph, Jacques Kallis, Herschelle Gibbs, +Mark Boucher, Ashwell Prince, Nicky Boje, Makhaya Ntini, Andre Nel, Monde Zondeki
Umpires: Aleem Dar, David Shepherd
Weather:
Partly cloudy today, showers for the next 4. Temperatures in the low 30s
Chanderpaul has won the toss and elected to bat on a green, cracked pitch
Fred Yeomans
9 Apr 2005, 00:48
West Indies 2/14
Gayle & Sarwan both out attempting to hook Ntini.
silky-smooth
9 Apr 2005, 01:17
West Indies 2-26 at the first drinks break.
Just 13 overs managed in the first hour, despite the Windies slowly moving along at 2.0 per over. South Africans sure know how to waste time.
Lara 8*
Hinds 4*
Lunch day 1
West Indies 2/71
Brian Charles 41, Wavell Hinds has found that shell and crawled back into it - 15 with a strike rate of less than 20
26 overs for the session
Stumps - Day 1
West Indies 6/281 (87.0 ov)
Lara 159*
Browne 19*
Ntini 4/59 (19ov)
Lara goes alright doesn't he...
johnnyhoward
9 Apr 2005, 12:45
27 Test centuries to Lara, surpassing the great Garry Sobers' record. What a champion.
Cooldude
9 Apr 2005, 13:56
How many centuries does BC have against the Proteas? And for that matter, how many double centuries?
He owns them
red+black
9 Apr 2005, 14:39
How many centuries does BC have against the Proteas? And for that matter, how many double centuries?
He owns them
Should have checked the stats cos you couldn't be more wrong. Prior to this innings, just the two hundreds against RSA (202, 115). His average of 44 v RSA is his 3rd worst against all test countries.
If he makes it to 200 in this innings, he will move to outright 2nd for most career doubles (8), ahead of Atapattu (7), yet still behind Bradman (12). He would also join Atapattu as only the second player to score two doubles against three different countries.
Another interesting stat. Only four players have scored three doubles against an opponent: Bradman (8 v ENG), Hammond (4 v AUS), Atapattu (3 v Zim), Gavaskar (3 v WI).
just maybe
9 Apr 2005, 14:59
Atapattu (3 v Zim)
:rolleyes:
Cooldude
9 Apr 2005, 14:59
Should have checked the stats cos you couldn't be more wrong. Prior to this innings, just the two hundreds against RSA (202, 115). His average of 44 v RSA is his 3rd worst against all test countries.
Check the stats more carefully first, baggygreen.com ain't counting his current 159. So his average against them, even if he gets out now, would be around 50, which is close to his career average.
Plus, It's now 3 100s, 9 50s, and many of those 50s are 70s and 80s. And the past 5 Tests, including this one, Lara's played against them, he's scored nearly 700 runs against them and he still has one more innings to bat.
1600 odd runs in 16 matches against South Africa is an extremely good record. Plus all the matches he played against them when he was not at his prime quite a few years back. I'm surprised he hasn't had more tons against them, but he has the wood on them nonetheless in recent years.
red+black
9 Apr 2005, 19:03
You need to pay attention. As I clearly stated, "Prior to this innings ...". And three hundreds ain't no big deal. I know he has a number of 50s, but as I stated, prior to this innings, his average against South Africa is the 3rd worst against all test countries. Include this innings, as you say, his average would be about 50 against them, and it still remains his 3rd worst average against all test countries.
Basically, to say that Lara owns the Boks is blatantly incorrect. You could say that he owns England or Sri Lanka, but not South Africa. Not yet.
red+black
9 Apr 2005, 19:15
OK, might as well go to the effort of providing current stats. Including the 159*:
Mat I NO Runs HS1 HS2 HS3 Ave 100 50 0
overall 113* 198* 7* 10253 400* 375 277 53.68 27 46 13
v Australia 27 50 2 2470 277 213 182 51.45 8 11 5
v Bangladesh 2 2 0 173 120 53 - 86.50 1 1 0
v England 30 51 3 2983 400* 375 179 62.14 7 11 4
v India 13 21 0 791 103 91 83 37.66 1 6 2
v New Zealand 8 12 0 614 147 75 74 51.16 1 4 0
v Pakistan 7 13 0 394 96 51 44 30.30 0 2 0
v South Africa 16* 31* 1* 1481 202 159* 115 49.37 3 9 1
v Sri Lanka 8 14 1 1125 221 209 178 86.53 5 2 1
His average v RSA will drop by about 2 if he gets out. He averages one century every 7.3 innings, yet against South Africa, it's one every 10 innings.
Cooldude
9 Apr 2005, 20:36
You need to pay attention. As I clearly stated, "Prior to this innings ...". And three hundreds ain't no big deal. I know he has a number of 50s, but as I stated, prior to this innings, .
Why would you not count the runs he has scored? Stats need to be up to date, there's no bloody point getting out all the stats of the past when it has all changed. I can just as easily put out prior to 2003 Brett Lee's bowling average's under 30, what does that mean? There's no point for outdated stats, absolutely no point. If you're gonna put out Lara's batting record against South Africa, then include the 159*.
his average against South Africa is the 3rd worst against all test countries. Include this innings, as you say, his average would be about 50 against them, and it still remains his 3rd worst average against all test countries.
And your point? So, you're trying to make it out as if it's a negative? I'd think many people would take an average of 40 against South Africa since their return to Test cricket. So an average of near 50 against one of the world's best sides is a negative, just because it's his 3rd worst against all countries?
Any batsmen would take a record of nearly 100 runs per Test against these blokes. In fact that is a great record.
Basically, to say that Lara owns the Boks is blatantly incorrect. You could say that he owns England or Sri Lanka, but not South Africa. Not yet.
700+ runs against them in the past 5 Tests, including a double ton, is not a dominating record? Can trace back for nearly another 300 runs into that for the 3 Tests before those as well.
Since the 2nd Test of the 2000 series in the Carribean against them, Lara has been making at least a 70 against them for all by one of his past 8 Tests against them. When Lara plays these blokes, he makes a very good score every Test. If that's not dominating, or owning, these blokes, then I don't know what is. So you're required to make a ton every Test to classify as owning someone?
Fred Yeomans
10 Apr 2005, 02:15
West Indies all out for 347.
Lara got tantalisingly close to the double century but was the last man out for 196.
Ntini was the star for South Africa taking 6/95
In reply South Africa 0/10 at lunch.
SaintsSupporter
10 Apr 2005, 04:34
West Indies 347 all out.
South Africa 2/86 in reply after 25 overs. Just over 40 left to go in the day.
De Villers out for 33, Rudolph just out for 8. Smith not out on 38.
the_big_sav
10 Apr 2005, 09:09
Extras (b 4, lb 8, w 2, nb 5, pen 5) 24
these were the extras for west indies, does that mean the helmut was hit behind the keeper the 5 penalty runs?
SaintsSupporter
11 Apr 2005, 04:42
Extras (b 4, lb 8, w 2, nb 5, pen 5) 24
these were the extras for west indies, does that mean the helmut was hit behind the keeper the 5 penalty runs?Yeah, that's what it means.
South Africa now 5/290.
Smith out for 148, nobody else passed 40.
West Indies 347
South Africa 370/6 (157.0 ov)
South Africa lead by 23 runs with 4 wickets remaining in the 1st innings
Stumps - Day 3 South Africa RR: 2.36 YAWN!
silky-smooth
11 Apr 2005, 11:11
Stumps
South Africa 6-370
Prince 41* - Boucher 28*
Collins 2-78
Bravo 2-79
Hinds 1-9
King 1-50
Russian
12 Apr 2005, 00:52
2nd over of the day Chris Gayle gets the two set batsmen - Boucher with his first ball, Prince with his 4th, then gets Ntini with the last ball of his 2nd over.
New ball available but not yet taken with Boje and Nel trying to add a few more runs. Boje is 11, his 11th run was his 1000th, Nel on 2
Russian
12 Apr 2005, 00:55
And Gayle gets Nel too
All out 398, lead of 51
Gayle 37.5-18-50-4
Russian
12 Apr 2005, 11:26
Another early dismissal for Gayle
Another entertaining innings from Hinds (22 from 126)
Failures from Lara, Chanderpaul and Pagon
Unbeaten 93 from Sarwan
Unbeaten 30 from Bravo
Ntini 3/34
Boje 2/33
= 5/170 at stumps on day 4, a lead of 119
Russian
13 Apr 2005, 00:45
Smith and Boje opened the day, 1 over each before the new ball was taken by Nel. 5th ball Sarwan hit him down the ground for 4 to bring up his ton.
Ntini sharing the new ball got Bravo caught behind with the 3rd ball of his first over for his 10th wicket for the match, 4th ball of his next over Browne lbw to make it 5 for the innings.
Next over Nel got Powell caught by Kallis at 2nd slip and the Windies are in big big trouble at 8/190, a lead of 139 with 80 overs (with change of innings taken out) remaining in the match (although SA will probably bat out a draw anyway :rolleyes: )
Russian
13 Apr 2005, 02:02
Another few dot balls with a couple of wickets to break it up for Ntini - 7/37 for the innings, 13/132 for the match
Target is 144 in 76 overs. Collins and Powell opened, 30 scored off their first 3 overs, de Villiers didn't get the message that they were supposed to bat out a draw from the other end of the pitch. Gayle bowled the 4th, King the 5th, 45 balls for 11 runs
0/45
de Villiers 31 (bowled by King off another no ball)
Smith 7
Russian
13 Apr 2005, 02:09
0/45 at lunch
de Villiers 31 (45)
Smith 7 (30)
Collins 0/17 (2)
Powell 0/13 (1)
King 0/8 (4)
Gayle 0/3 (5)
64 overs remaining
99 runs for a South African victory
10 wickets for a West Indian victory