Wheres the justice for Hobart Tigers

[wattsy]

Yes where is the justice for the Hobart Tigers reading the results for the weekend and opponents against Hobart that is regional clubs namely Brighton and Claremont fail the constitution of the sfl in not providing teams in their respective premier and regional divisions so let nobody and that includes all present clubs boards do not enter the comfort zone and think that the black and gold that is the Hobart Football Club is gone for ever but take it as a temporary arrangement allowed with the compassion of true supporters.

[Kingpin]

http://home.iprimus.com.au/hutch05/EMB4onefifty.jpg
This is the ONLY Hobart Football Club emblem I will ever follow.



http://www.southernfootball.com.au/Hobart/Hobart_Lions_Logo_small.jpg
"F**K THE LIONS" :mad:

[bakerman]

Yes where is the justice for the Hobart Tigers reading the results for the weekend and opponents against Hobart that is regional clubs namely Brighton and Claremont fail the constitution of the sfl in not providing teams in their respective premier and regional divisions so let nobody and that includes all present clubs boards do not enter the comfort zone and think that the black and gold that is the Hobart Football Club is gone for ever but take it as a temporary arrangement allowed with the compassion of true supporters.

Black and Gold will stay and that is with Kingbourough, and i'm not too sure about Hobart getting it back. I understand you being ********ed off about it and I have had some posting with Tiger about the current crisis but I cannot see it coming back, with the Board Hobart currently have. It seems to me that the president of Hobart had lied to the supporters and members for maybe his own goal. You guys have been into Kingbourough about this and saying it is their fault as well as the league but answer this, if Kingston entered the TFL would Hobart of let them stay the Tigers ???
The League has to make the decision not the other clubs.

[Kingpin]

Black and Gold will stay and that is with Kingbourough
In the current regime - yes, it will.
It would be better for the game if they both were Tigers - thereby ensuring that both sets of supporters will attend games - but SFL is not about getting people to go to games.
There are too many examples of this to suggest otherwise.

and i'm not too sure about Hobart getting it back.
Neither am I, anymore.

I understand you being p*ssed off about it and I have had some posting with Tiger about the current crisis but I cannot see it coming back, with the Board Hobart currently have.
P*ssed off isn't the word. The Bigfooty swear filter would preclude me from typing how I really feel on this subject.
The current board need a little "extra pressure" shall we say, to conform.
There's a few there that are looking a little grey-around-the-gills, and a little harrowed by all of this.
Incompetant poonces of the highest order the lot of them.

It seems to me that the president of Hobart had lied to the supporters and members for maybe his own goal.
That is exactly what he did, bakes. And AFL Tasmania are just as bloody guilty as what that fat bastard is, and that other money-hungry jerk-off Jerk McGregor is another with a fair bit to answer for.
That **************** has more jumpers than a Rowe & Jarman store at home, starts all this trouble at Hobart, then p*sses off to Huonville for more money and leaves us with all the aftermath.
Did the same thing at Kermandie as well.

You guys have been into Kingbourough about this and saying it is their fault as well as the league
Kingborough have at times been rediculously over-zealous on the matter to the point where it is almost laughable. Not having a shot at you personally, Bakerman, but in most of the dealings that I have had with them - they are absolute jokes.
I can see in some ways thier point of view, but the problem is, thier attitude is costing the league supporters, money from sponsorship and credibility.
The league itself is the most unprofessional organisation I have ever had the misfortune of laying eyes on.
How on earth Morrison gets $45k a year for running that is beyond me, when all he does is answer to his ex-Huon mates and Scott Wade, and writes a few notes in the program each week and occasionally ponces around to a couple of grounds trying to act all important.
SFL = Sham League that will never be successful with its odd rules.

but answer this, if Kingston entered the TFL would Hobart of let them stay the Tigers ???
Kingston would never have been able to enter the TFL.
I recall hearing the news that Burnie was putting in for the TFL back in the 80's and I was like "awesome, another Tiger team in the league" :)
But, alas it was Cooee Bulldogs and not the Burnie Tigers.

But I'll put this to you. If the TANFL reformed again next year, would Kingston change thier colours and emblem if they put in a submission to join? No - they'd do the exact same thing as we did.
My persional opinion would be to let them keep thier colours/emblem and uniform with an alternate to maintain the interest from thier fans and for the good of the attendances for the league.
But with the history that's gone on, that might differ now.

The League has to make the decision not the other clubs.
The trouble is, it is the clubs that make most of the decisions. And by allowing the Regional League clubs to vote on Premier League matters, the Regional clubs ALWAYS side with Kingborough and Brighton, usually with a lot of lobbying and threats by those delegates.
Morrison himself is more than tainted because of his involvement with Huon clubs and with Kingborough, and that is another conflict of interest.
AFL Tasmania (more to the point Scott Wade) purposely sent in a former Hobart president who sent the club almost into insolvency during his tenure, who was working with the Devils at the time, with the express purpose of trying to smooth things over with the HFC board with the lure of all sorts of inducements and sweeteners to align with Brisbane.
AFL Tasmania wanted to get a Brisbane Lions clone playing in the Premier League to make the league more marketable to the youth to capitalise on the AFL Lions recent success, also getting rid of this little problem of possible conflict with Hobart supporters seeking a reinstallment of thier traditional uniform/emblem.
Hobart were the guinea-pigs, and the board of the Hobart Football Club did absolutely everything in thier power to make damned sure this got across the line.
It was a done deal two months before it was even voted on.
Only selected people were allowed to become members, players were signed up in the couple of nights before the December 1st meeting to vote - which is illegal under the club's constitution.
When challenged on this by a club life-member, President Baker howled down the said life member and attacked his credibility.
Upon checking all legal documentation pertaining to the HFC Constitution it was indeed found that the President of the HFC had indeed lied.
The whole league and the people involved in it stink and need kicking out ASAP.

[The Doctor '73]

Black and Gold will stay and that is with Kingbourough, and i'm not too sure about Hobart getting it back. I understand you being ********ed off about it and I have had some posting with Tiger about the current crisis but I cannot see it coming back, with the Board Hobart currently have. It seems to me that the president of Hobart had lied to the supporters and members for maybe his own goal. You guys have been into Kingbourough about this and saying it is their fault as well as the league but answer this, if Kingston entered the TFL would Hobart of let them stay the Tigers ???
The League has to make the decision not the other clubs.


I can see the Tigers coming back within the next 5 years, even if the current board stays there. Most people on the board will want to return to the tigers in a hearbeat if there is a possibility for them to do that. Unfortunately that will probably not happen for a couple of years unless the rules are changed or people in certain high ranking positions change.

At the moment all of the SFL clubs vote on these type of decisions even those clubs who don’t even compete in the same competition which is a ridiculous situation! So of course you have all the old TFL clubs vote one way ie to give Hobart their traditional colours back and you have all the old Huon and Amatuer sides vote the other way. To highlight this absurdity Dodges Ferry who are relatively new to the SFL regional league get to make a decision over the tradtion of a club they have never ever played against and 7 other crucial votes go to sides that haven’t played against Hobart in over 3 years!

Whilst I’m not saying this is all Kingston’s fault, you can’t tell me that if they said “No instead of being so petty lets do what’s right for football and allow them to have there logo back as long as the don’t have a identicle jumper to ours” then it wouldn’t get changed? Unfortunately that will never happen with the current president that Kingston have at the moment and the pressure that he puts on all the other ex amatuer and huon clubs to follow suit.

I hate the Clarance football club, I don’t like Glenorchy and I can’t stand North Hobart but I’d rather see them like any other club have stronger supporter bases and honouring their traditions than I would having to see the club split in half over such a controversal topic, resulting in less numbers to the football and less interest from the public. Obviously you could see the effect it would have on the club and supporter base if Hobart could go back to being the tigers, and its about time that petty grudges and feelings of inferiorality are put aside and do what’s right for the game in the south of the State.

To answer your question if Kingston had wanted to enter the TFL then I probably wouldn’t have been all that happy about them being the Tigers and wearing the exactly same strip us, but they would be the ones to make that choice to go up a competition. Hobart were forced out of the TFL and whilst you can say that it was the old ametuer and Huon clubs that provided them the lifeline it wasn’t their choice to enter the SFL and lose there logo it was either that or finish existing as a club. I’m sure the Hobart football club would have grumbled about another side coming into the competition known as the tigers but I’m sure like most other supporters of football in Tasmania if this was good for football and made for more supporters watching, and created more passion and interest, then I’m sure I would have voted for it as long as the playing jumper wasn’t exactly identicle.

At the moment games a played in front of poor crowds, at a poor standard on some poor grounds maybe the ex-huon/Amatuer clubs like that because it reminds them of their old competitions where you can drive your car into a ground and drink on the back of your flat tray watching ex TFL players in their declining years. By allowing a great club who have provided so many great memories so many priemerships and so many AFL champions flounder by being so stupid as to not let them call themselves by a nickname which they carried with pride for over 50 years, is dragging the game down to a shoddy level.

I agree the league has to make the decisions not the clubs unfortunately if that had happened maybe we could have restored the great tradition that we have had over the years. I’m hoping commonsense will win out in the end and I think it will.

[The Doctor '73]

but answer this, if Kingston entered the TFL would Hobart of let them stay the Tigers ???

Answer this if by letting the Hobart return to the tigers will result in better crowds, more public interest, more money for all clubs (ie the bigger the supporter base the more everyone benefits from holding home games) which equates into a better competition for all, shouldn’t it be the duty of the clubs and the league to get behind this?