Travis Cloke Vs Colin Sylvia

[Zeke]

No contest in my most humble opinion. Travis has it all over Sylvia.

Colin Sylvia: 8 games / 58 disposals @ 7.25 / 18 marks @ 2.25 / 2 goals @ 0.25
Travis Cloke: 2 games / 29 disposals @ 14.50 / 7 marks @ 3.50 / 2 goals @ 1.00

I know it's early days, but I have a feeling that Trav will continue to make Sylvia look like a mere VFL wonder for years to come.

http://img236.echo.cx/img236/8776/travcloke2vc.jpg

[Yze_Magic]

You always bring up meaningless stats

Why dont you show us their stats at VFL level where they play full games?

And how about the Time on Ground for both players in their AFL games?


Sylvia has it over Cloke in every facet of the game

[macca_2111]

Cloke has played two games, if he's anything like his brothers he will be another dud. Dont get your hopes up yet Collingwood supporters

[Zeke]

You always bring up meaningless stats
Is the fact the the kid you have dubbed 'the next Gary Ablett Snr' has kicked 2 goals in 8 matches a meaningless stat?

Sylvia has it over Cloke in every facet of the game
Ok, that's your opinion, now provide some evidence. :)

[Longy413]

And how about the Time on Ground for both players in their AFL games?


Does that mean he isn't doing enough with his time on the ground to command more game time?

[Yze_Magic]

Sylvia is stronger, quicker, more polished, more skilled, will kill the opponent in a tackle, a vastly superior leap, a better mark...


And that is why stats of 2 players that have played less than 10 games are meaningless

[dascman03]

Zeke FFS get ur hand off it

[Zeke]

Sylvia is stronger, quicker, more polished, more skilled, will kill the opponent in a tackle, a vastly superior leap, a better mark...

Sylvia has shown nothing at senior level to suggest he will be anything but an honest toiler. Travis, on the other hand has show a lot in just 2 games. It's not gospel, but it's a pretty damning indication at this stage.

[m.diddy]

No contest in my most humble opinion. Travis has it all over Sylvia.

Colin Sylvia: 8 games / 58 disposals @ 7.25 / 18 marks @ 2.25 / 2 goals @ 0.25
Travis Cloke: 2 games / 29 disposals @ 14.50 / 7 marks @ 3.50 / 2 goals @ 1.00

I know it's early days, but I have a feeling that Trav will continue to make Sylvia look like a mere VFL wonder for years to come.

http://img236.echo.cx/img236/8776/travcloke2vc.jpg
He is suppose to be the best tackler in the game where are the stats there?

[dees 4 life]

Sylvia is stronger, quicker, more polished, more skilled, will kill the opponent in a tackle, a vastly superior leap, a better mark...




And his last name is CLOKE!!

Sylvia will be a better player.

[Zeke]

And his last name is CLOKE!!

Sylvia will be a better player.

His name is Cloke, so he must be a hack?

Spose that means Wayne Carey was a rubbish footballer cause his brother wasn't up to AFL standard.

[dees 4 life]

His name is Cloke, so he must be a hack?



You hit the nail right on the head there big fella...

[guess_who]

Why dont you show us their stats at VFL level where they play full games?

Cloke has played what 3 VFL Games maybe 4? been in the best for at least two of them.

[m.diddy]

Would take a good young KPP player over a good young midfielder any day of the week.

[dees 4 life]

Cloke has played what 3 VFL Games maybe 4? been in the best for at least two of them.

That seems to be enough to compare two players these days

[cschreuder61]

Cloke hasn't done jack.

[Pieyed]

Cloke has played two games, if he's anything like his brothers he will be another dud. Dont get your hopes up yet Collingwood supporters
Well we cant all pass up Judd for Hodge like you genius's

[TheGeneral]

I'd rather have Cloke due to his potential as a key forward, rather than a guy who exceeds at lower levels due to his bulk but as always can't cope at the higher grade. Having said that I'd still rather Franklin or Roughead than a Cloke! :p

[parrot]

Tough call, both would be useful for the Bullants. :)

[Nightwolf]

1 handball boy certainly looks the goods. I enjoy watching his 1 handball each week....quality stuff

[Sylvia Saint]

1 handball boy certainly looks the goods. I enjoy watching his 1 handball each week....quality stuff
Considering that has only happened once in his career and everything... :confused:

[Pie 4 Life]

Cloke but Zeke, if Cloke is so much better than Sylvia why start this thread to make certain that you'll win.

[m.diddy]

1 handball boy certainly looks the goods. I enjoy watching his 1 handball each week....quality stuff
Not as good as the golden Boy Cam Hunter who had 1 kick and that was smothered.

[Zeke]

Cloke but Zeke, if Cloke is so much better than Sylvia why start this thread to make certain that you'll win.

Huh? :confused:

[oooze]

COMPARISONS
KICKING DISTANCE: EQUAL
VERTICAL JUMP: SYLVIA BY A BLOODY MILE(Look at the draft camp stats)
TACKLING: SYLVIA BY A ********ING MILE
PACE: EASILY SYLVIA (Look at the dreamteam stats)
OVERHEAD MARKING: SYLVIA FOR HIS SIZE IS MUCH GREATER
ARROGANCE: sYLVIA HAS THAT TOUCH OF ARROGANCE THAT MANY GOOD PLAYERS HAVE I.E AKERMANIS, VOSS, CAREY ETC

GAME SET MATCH

[m.diddy]

COMPARISONS
KICKING DISTANCE: EQUAL
VERTICAL JUMP: SYLVIA BY A BLOODY MILE(Look at the draft camp stats)
TACKLING: SYLVIA BY A ********ING MILE
PACE: EASILY SYLVIA (Look at the dreamteam stats)
OVERHEAD MARKING: SYLVIA FOR HIS SIZE IS MUCH GREATER
ARROGANCE: sYLVIA HAS THAT TOUCH OF ARROGANCE THAT MANY GOOD PLAYERS HAVE I.E AKERMANIS, VOSS, CAREY ETC

GAME SET MATCH
If sylvia has a touch of arrogance then cloke has a truck load.

You all go on about sylvia's tackling but he has only laid 8 tackles in as many games hardly stats of some guru tackler.

[FIGJAM]

Who is this Saliva guy you're all talking about?

[parrot]

COMPARISONS
KICKING DISTANCE: EQUAL
VERTICAL JUMP: SYLVIA BY A BLOODY MILE(Look at the draft camp stats)
TACKLING: SYLVIA BY A ********ING MILE
PACE: EASILY SYLVIA (Look at the dreamteam stats)
OVERHEAD MARKING: SYLVIA FOR HIS SIZE IS MUCH GREATER
ARROGANCE: sYLVIA HAS THAT TOUCH OF ARROGANCE THAT MANY GOOD PLAYERS HAVE I.E AKERMANIS, VOSS, CAREY ETC

GAME SET MATCH


You're sounding a little desperate, looks like the Dees have wasted their #3 pick on a dud. BTW I've never seen the stocky little fella get both feet off the ground - must have cheated at the draft camp. :)

[Yze_Magic]

COMPARISONS
KICKING DISTANCE: EQUAL
VERTICAL JUMP: SYLVIA BY A BLOODY MILE(Look at the draft camp stats)
TACKLING: SYLVIA BY A ********ING MILE
PACE: EASILY SYLVIA (Look at the dreamteam stats)
OVERHEAD MARKING: SYLVIA FOR HIS SIZE IS MUCH GREATER
ARROGANCE: sYLVIA HAS THAT TOUCH OF ARROGANCE THAT MANY GOOD PLAYERS HAVE I.E AKERMANIS, VOSS, CAREY ETC

GAME SET MATCH


Game, set, match indeed

[Sylvia Saint]

You're sounding a little desperate, looks like the Dees have wasted their #3 pick on a dud. BTW I've never seen the stocky little fella get both feet off the ground - must have cheated at the draft camp. :)
http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52248020.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA53A95B58FB16D35E2448CDF731F919C72B953 1E5165F51B

What are the odds, against your beloved Blues too!

[Yze_Magic]

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52248020.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA53A95B58FB16D35E2448CDF731F919C72B953 1E5165F51B

What are the odds, against your beloved Blues too!


BWAHAHHAA

Parrot, have a look at that photo

YOU IDIOT

[Lance Uppercut]

Hahahahaha, this thread = classic troll

[Zeke]

BWAHAHHAA

Parrot, have a look at that photo

YOU IDIOT

I bet Houlihan is on his knees. :D

[Yze_Magic]

I bet Houlihan is on his knees. :D


You just stole Parrots thunder

[TheGeneral]

http://cache.gettyimages.com/comp/52248020.jpg?x=x&dasite=MS_GINS&ef=2&ev=1&dareq=E2399169AC85D6DEA53A95B58FB16D35E2448CDF731F919C72B953 1E5165F51B

What are the odds, against your beloved Blues too!
There are plenty of photos of 1AW higher on Glass's shoulders so what's your point? Did he take the mark or drop it like Walker did when he showed his leap last year? What a great leap one out on Houlihan who is known for his aerial prowess. :rolleyes:

[ManWithNoName]

Wheres the "Neither, they're both hacks. I'll take Kepler Bradley" option?

[Yze_Magic]

You're sounding a little desperate, looks like the Dees have wasted their #3 pick on a dud. BTW I've never seen the stocky little fella get both feet off the ground - must have cheated at the draft camp. :)


http://melbournefc.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/image/012513al.tho

Pfft.. outmarked your love child Thornton despite the cheat holding his jumper, in vain. Its called strength and skill, parrot

[cyberdog]

Cooney>>>>>>>Sylvia :D Glad we finished last that year :D

[Yze_Magic]

There are plenty of photos of 1AW higher on Glass's shoulders so what's your point? Did he take the mark or drop it like Walker did when he showed his leap last year? What a great leap one out on Houlihan who is known for his aerial prowess. :rolleyes:


Pretty sad then you find the most meaningless and trivial thngs to talk a player down

But that is the Carlton way

[TheGeneral]

Pretty sad then you find the most meaningless and trivial thngs to talk a player down

But that is the Carlton way
No, taking Barassi and Pagan is the Carlton way.

[Thewlis Dish]

Sylvia for mine, it's a lot easier to get ground time at the Pies this season.

[Yze_Magic]

Sylvia for mine, it's a lot easier to get ground time at the Pies this season.


Another great point

Sylvia is attempting to break into the Demons midfield/forward line

Cloke is attempting to break into a rabble

I reckon Id average 20 touches if I played for the Pies

[TheGeneral]

Another great point

Sylvia is attempting to break into the Demons midfield/forward line

Cloke is attempting to break into a rabble

I reckon Id average 20 touches if I played for the Pies
What's a harder position to play CHF as a school kid or half-forward/pocket moving through the midfield?

[Hard Yakka]

Another great point

Sylvia is attempting to break into the Demons midfield/forward line

Cloke is attempting to break into a rabble

I reckon Id average 20 touches if I played for the Pies

Reading some of your Posts, I reckon 20 touches a day would be the minimum for you...careful, you'll go blind!!!:D

[Longy413]

Another great point

Sylvia is attempting to break into the Demons midfield/forward line

Cloke is attempting to break into a rabble

I reckon Id average 20 touches if I played for the Pies

Yet Sylvia has failed to make an impact in the time he has spent on the ground. If he is this great player you speak of, he wouldn't have any problem comanding game time.

[Yze_Magic]

Yet Sylvia has failed to make an impact in the time he has spent on the ground. If he is this great player you speak of, he wouldn't have any problem comanding game time.


See his game in round 2?

No impact indeed :rolleyes:

[parrot]

BWAHAHHAA

Parrot, have a look at that photo...

Looks like Houla's just pushed the little fella away from the ball. Nice work Houla. Perhaps you've got some better pics from his Sandy matches.

Oh, and before I forget.....

http://carltonfc.com.au/cp2/c2/webi/image/010538ac.jpg

Nuf said :)

[m.diddy]

See his game in round 2?

No impact indeed :rolleyes:
see his game in round 6? Oh yeah that's right.

[Longy413]

See his game in round 2?

No impact indeed :rolleyes:

That behind was special.
So was his attempted tackle.

[Yze_Magic]

see his game in round 6? Oh yeah that's right.


I did actually

he booted 7 goals

Sylvia > Dal Santoverrated

[ManWithNoName]

See his game in round 2?

No impact indeed :rolleyes:
15 disposals from a midfielder, meh average.

[Yze_Magic]

Looks like Houla's just pushed the little fella away from the ball. Nice work Houla.


yeah it sure 'looks' like that doesnt it

When the reality is he was outmarked, out muscled and outwitted by a better player who wanted the ball more

Thats a fact

[Pieyed]

Why has this thread not died of it's own volition?

Or any of us from boredom?

[Longy413]

I did actually

he booted 7 goals

That was Round 6.

Sylvia > Dal Santoverrated

I must have missed Syliva's 20 and 30+ possession games.

[Sylvia Saint]

Yet Sylvia has failed to make an impact in the time he has spent on the ground. If he is this great player you speak of, he wouldn't have any problem comanding game time.
But McLean was getting similar game time last year. Is he a quality player*?

* Rhetorical question

[Nightwolf]

Some Carlton supporters are so deluded. Andrew Walker is nothing special.....

[Yze_Magic]

I must have missed Syliva's 20 and 30+ possession games.


I doubt it, since he hasnt any

Maybe you are related to Zeke? you both seem obsessed with stats

[Longy413]

But McLean was getting similar game time last year. Is he a quality player*?

* Rhetorical question

McLean has proven he can mix it at the best level and make an impact on games.
Sylvia hasn't.
Not once have I said Sylvia isn't talented or going to be a good player. But the fact is he doesn't deserve the hype Yze is making for him.

[m.diddy]

I did actually

he booted 7 goals

Sylvia > Dal Santoverrated
The only time he can get near the pill is for Sandy.
Dal Santo = Brownlow Favourite
Sylvie = Handball.

[parrot]

The only time he can get near the pill is for Sandy.
Dal Santo = Brownlow Favourite
Sylvie = Handball.


But was it a good handball? Did the little fella strut around afterwards? :)

[Longy413]

I doubt it, since he hasnt any

Maybe you are related to Zeke? you both seem obsessed with stats

Isn't 7 goals only a stat?

[m.diddy]

But was it a good handball? Did the little fella strut around afterwards? :)
I must admit I didn't see the handball. Can someone enlighten us of the significance or skill that this handball had.

Sylvia's new nickname should be - "the hand of god."

[Zeke]

Interesting to note that the majority of Sylvia's votes are from Melbourne supporters, whereas Trav's votes are from a wide cross section of footy fans.

Says a lot.

[Yze_Magic]

I must admit I didn't see the handball. Can someone enlighten us of the significance or skill that this handball had.

Sylvia's new nickname should be - "the hand of god."


And in the same game he crunched Leigh Colbert in an aerial contest, putting him out of action

You uneduacted people can go on about your meaningless stats, but its the things like Sylvias attack on the ball and sheer strrength that will set him apart from softies such as Riewdolt

Sylvia has that X factor that all champions have

[Nightwolf]

Interesting to note that the majority of Sylvia's votes are from Melbourne supporters, whereas Trav's votes are from a wide cross section of footy fans.

Says a lot.

Why make a thread on different types of players?

Is it because big trav couldnt match it with Buddy Franklin in the other one?

[Yze_Magic]

Is it because big trav couldnt match it with Buddy Franklin in the other one?


he cant match it with Buddy or 'the Kid' Sylvia

in fact, he can barely match it with his 2 brothers

Matt Lokan > Travis CLoke

[Zeke]

Matt Lokan > Travis CLoke

I actually laughed out loud.

Scared the ******** out of the dog.

Well done.

:D

[m.diddy]

And in the same game he crunched Leigh Colbert in an aerial contest, putting him out of action

You uneduacted people can go on about your meaningless stats, but its the things like Sylvias attack on the ball and sheer strrength that will set him apart from softies such as Riewdolt

Sylvia has that X factor that all champions have
This X factor is doing wonders ... for Sandy.

[oooze]

If sylvia has a touch of arrogance then cloke has a truck load.

You all go on about sylvia's tackling but he has only laid 8 tackles in as many games hardly stats of some guru tackler.

Its not quantity its quality Milnedog!...You have no idea at all. Last year Krakeour from the tigers laid more tackles than Byron pickett, riccuito, voss etc. Stats are decieving as the 3 named players are all more ferocious than little krakeour. Any response from "MilneDog"?????????????????????????????????????????????????????/

[m.diddy]

Its not quantity its quality Milnedog!...You have no idea at all. Last year Krakeour from the tigers laid more tackles than Byron pickett, riccuito, voss etc. Stats are decieving as the 3 named players are all more ferocious than little krakeour. Any response from "MilneDog"?????????????????????????????????????????????????????/
Ball, Hayes - 2 best tacklers in the league.

They have quantity and quality. Beat that.
Any response from oooze????????????????????????????? :rolleyes:

[worthy]

Shouldn't they be playing in the same league to do a comparison. :p