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bluesforever
4 May 2005, 22:21
Place all your tips here, should be a good game with atleast 50,000 there.
weagles_fan
4 May 2005, 22:22
Richmond to win by 3 goals because Carlton can't kick a big enough score without Fev.
auste1234
4 May 2005, 22:22
What a nightmare game to tip..... no idea which way i will go.
bluesforever
4 May 2005, 22:22
I'll be bias and tip Carlton by about 4 goals. Whitnall to play himself back into form.
Will be a very hard game for the young Blues - lots of injuries, and Fev suspended. The Tigers are on fire at the moment, and have alot more experience in their lineup. Apart from Thornton, our defence is very weak. Karl has been carrying a back injury, and will probably not be selected. Livo's out for another 4. Missing 2 tall defenders hurts the structure, especially with Fev out, which makes it harder for Lance to go back. Carazzo's injured, and will be a big loss. Takes the opposition small forward and has great rebounding capability. Really need Waite and Lance to step up this week. Midfield have to dominant so as to protect our weak backline. Kouta's doing well, but Stevens, Scotland and Campo looked tired last week after their roadtrips, and should be better this week. Chambers will be a big loss, was starting to show some form last week. Bannister has been good and hopefully can continue. Hoping Eddie Betts can kick a big. It'll be great if we can get over the line, because our lineup against the Cats next week will be much much stronger. The young Blues just need to hang in their until their lineup stabilizese a little. Challenging times ahead. :)
RodneyDangerfield
4 May 2005, 23:07
This will see if things are changing.In the past an undermanned side of Carltons current standing would beat us after a good win like that,and I am fearing the same. A win by any margin would do me.
The Dice Man
4 May 2005, 23:09
Tigers by 41 points.
Carlton have no-one to hold Richo or Brown, or Simmonds or Tambling or anyone to go with Tuck or Coughlan or Johnson or Deledio or Stafford or Bowden.
weagles_fan
4 May 2005, 23:11
Tigers by 41 points.
Carlton have no-one to hold Richo or Brown, or Simmonds or Tambling or anyone to go with Tuck or Coughlan or Johnson or Deledio or Stafford or Bowden.Just say it.Carlton have no one!!
Will be a very hard game for the young Blues - lots of injuries, and Fev suspended. The Tigers are on fire at the moment, and have alot more experience in their lineup. Apart from Thornton, our defence is very weak. Karl has been carrying a back injury, and will probably not be selected. Livo's out for another 4. Missing 2 tall defenders hurts the structure, especially with Fev out, which makes it harder for Lance to go back. Carazzo's injured, and will be a big loss. Takes the opposition small forward and has great rebounding capability. Really need Waite and Lance to step up this week. Midfield have to dominant so as to protect our weak backline. Kouta's doing well, but Stevens, Scotland and Campo looked tired last week after their roadtrips, and should be better this week. Chambers will be a big loss, was starting to show some form last week. Bannister has been good and hopefully can continue. Hoping Eddie Betts can kick a big. It'll be great if we can get over the line, because our lineup against the Cats next week will be much much stronger. The young Blues just need to hang in their until their lineup stabilizese a little. Challenging times ahead. :)
The only person you are missing that really hurts the Blues structure is Fevola. Stop making pathetic excuses pre-match as you are playing last years spooners and should be able to beat them, if you are purporting to be a team adept with talent. :)
JeffDunne
4 May 2005, 23:16
Will be a very hard game for the young Blues - lots of injuries, and Fev suspended. The Tigers are on fire at the moment, and have alot more experience in their lineup. Apart from Thornton, our defence is very weak. Karl has been carrying a back injury, and will probably not be selected. Livo's out for another 4. Missing 2 tall defenders hurts the structure,
Karl's playing in the reserves because he's playing crap football (although I believe his night-clubbing form hasn't dropped off one iota).
snakebite01
4 May 2005, 23:18
Carlton should win, the back to back road trips may hurt them but they have a more even side than Richmond and rely on fewer players to get the job done.
The Dice Man
4 May 2005, 23:20
Just say it.Carlton have no one!!
It's true though. They have no-one to go with those players. With Fev out of the way and Campereole likely to miss, the only bloke we should be concerned about is Kouta.
Again Richmond by 41 points (which also happens to be the difference between the teams' For and Against this season).
we will lose, their forwards are too big for us!
itsintheblood
4 May 2005, 23:46
Carlton should win, the back to back road trips may hurt them but they have a more even side than Richmond and rely on fewer players to get the job done.
A more even side??? Yeah right. Good one.
Thalidomide
4 May 2005, 23:49
Tigers by 41 points.
Carlton have no-one to hold Richo or Brown, or Simmonds or Tambling or anyone to go with Tuck or Coughlan or Johnson or Deledio or Stafford or Bowden.Damn we must be pretty crap if we can't handle a first gamer
The Dice Man
4 May 2005, 23:54
Damn we must be pretty crap if we can't handle a first gamer
Yeah it's funny hey, but true.
I'll be on the yellow & black bandwagon over the next two weeks. Can't see the Blues pulling off another come from behind win.
Funkalicous
5 May 2005, 01:06
I'm sooooo gonna bump this thread come Saturday night.
SaintsSupporter
5 May 2005, 01:08
Tigers by 41 points.
Carlton have no-one to hold Richo or Brown, or Simmonds or Tambling or anyone to go with Tuck or Coughlan or Johnson or Deledio or Stafford or Bowden.That's what most Richmond fans said about St. Kilda.
The Dice Man
5 May 2005, 01:16
That's what most Richmond fans said about St. Kilda.
Hate to say it, but I do rate St.Kilda more than Carlton. The only thing I rate at Carlton is their coach, Kouta and a packet of Tomato Sauce flavored crisps from the vending machine at Princess Park.
tigertRANCE
5 May 2005, 03:43
Very tough match to predict. At first glance you would think the Tiges would be too strong, especially in the big man department. Looking deeper though its a different story. While the Blues have Fevola, Livingstone, Carazzo, Chambers and possibly Camporeale out, the Tiges have just as big outs in Hyde, Hartigan, Rodan & Shultz. Johnson still isn't right and will play just over half a game again, so both midfields will be a bit underdone and weakened with injuries. Being a Richmond supporter, the thing, or person i should say, who has the biggest influence on Carlton is their coach Pagan. Any team he coaches never lies down and are so hard to beat. Carlton play very hard, disciplined footy, and for the Tiges to beat the Blues will take a fierce 4 quarter effort. In the end the team that is harder at the ball, and tackles more ferociously will most likely win the game. Pressure is the key. We definately have an advantage with our talls. If we at least break even in the midfield, I think we will win the game. I have alot of respect the way Carlton plays and any complacency by the Tiges, and the Blues will take the win away from us. Should be a massive crowd and i can't wait for the bounce.
GO TIGES!!!
Even tho the Blues are decimated by injuries and suspension, and the tigers are at full strength, Carlton should be too strong in the midfield, and while their forward line is missing Fevola, its still potent enough to kick a winning score. Carlton by 3 goals after a tight first half.
Even tho the Blues are decimated by injuries and suspension, and the tigers are at full strength, Carlton should be too strong in the midfield, and while their forward line is missing Fevola, its still potent enough to kick a winning score. Carlton by 3 goals after a tight first half.
You make a good point. The key is the Blues midfielders dominating, breaking even won't be enough. The Blues certainly have the players that could do this. Our young, undermanned defence needs protection. I was hoping Karl would come back, as he cleaned-up up Richo last time they met, however he's carrying a back injury and probably won't play. Hopefully our great team spirit will get our grossly unmanned side across the line. :)
jackson_rules
5 May 2005, 07:44
Even tho the Blues are decimated by injuries and suspension, and the tigers are at full strength, Carlton should be too strong in the midfield, and while their forward line is missing Fevola, its still potent enough to kick a winning score. Carlton by 3 goals after a tight first half.
what makes you think the tigers are at full strength we have hartigan schultz rodan hyde and johnson who will only play half a game again this week and in saying that the tigers midfield is alot better then you guys obviously think tigers by 45
Truetiger
5 May 2005, 08:03
$20 at Tab Richmond by 40+
Funkalicous
5 May 2005, 08:14
Very tough match to predict. At first glance you would think the Tiges would be too strong, especially in the big man department. Looking deeper though its a different story. While the Blues have Fevola, Livingstone, Carazzo, Chambers and possibly Camporeale out, the Tiges have just as big outs in Hyde, Hartigan, Rodan & Shultz.
Yeah, tottaly. :rolleyes:
turtle27
5 May 2005, 08:23
I was more confident of a win last week than this week, so I'll go with........
Buggered if I know
Should be a good game, pitty I'll miss it.
tiger of old
5 May 2005, 08:43
Even tho the Blues are decimated by injuries and suspension, and the tigers are at full strength, Carlton should be too strong in the midfield, and while their forward line is missing Fevola, its still potent enough to kick a winning score. Carlton by 3 goals after a tight first half.
your joking surely?
Stevens vs Cogs-Even contest both will get enough of the pill.
Kouta vs Tuck-On paper Kouta should win this contest however Tuck,s form this year has been superb.
Where we will have the edge in the middle is with Knobel.His tap work is one of the best going around.
juzza316
5 May 2005, 08:56
Tigers by 41 points.
Carlton have no-one to hold Richo or Brown, or Simmonds or Tambling or anyone to go with Tuck or Coughlan or Johnson or Deledio or Stafford or Bowden.
What a crock of sh1t!!
RodgerFox
5 May 2005, 09:00
Carlton should win, but they won't.
Pagan isn't getting the best out of his squad.
Wallace appears to be getting the best out of his though.
The Tigers easily.
The Dice Man
5 May 2005, 09:01
What a crock of sh1t!!
Pleased to meet you too :)
Richmond have beaten most average sides well, they only have a problem with prospective top 4 sides, so Richmond Easily
Orangewhip
5 May 2005, 09:11
Richmond has a more competant list in terms of skill. Conversely, Carlton are not as vulnerable in the head, ( not a Hyde joke), and will persist even when under the hammer.
If Richmond skips away to a 5 goal lead, they'll be a more dogged outfit than Hawthorn were last week and should be able to beat the Blues. But, Carlton haven't played anywhere near their best this season. Even missing Fevola and Campo, ( a possible blessing), they'll be fresh after an eight day break.
Furthermore, Barney is one horney spunk of a man. His breathtaking sex appeal should nullify at least half of the Tiger side.
Thalidomide
5 May 2005, 09:50
Where we will have the edge in the middle is with Knobel.His tap work is one of the best going around.And French has been great this year
And French has been great this year
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Richmond for picking up Knobel ahead of us, because otherwise this wouldn't have happened....
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/30/1s_betts_narrowweb__200x293.jpg
Yet another talented young Blue. :)
PsychoTiger
5 May 2005, 10:10
Bias: 26-22 Richmond
i'd be more interested in the poll result if richmond and carlton supporters couldn't vote.
But I know we'll win and i'll get a 100$ (which is a big deal for this uni student) on them over 40
tiger of old
5 May 2005, 10:15
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Richmond for picking up Knobel ahead of us, because otherwise this wouldn't have happened....
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/30/1s_betts_narrowweb__200x293.jpg
Yet another talented young Blue. :)
Granted Betts has done well thus far.
will be interesting how he copes beyond this year.
The Fireman
5 May 2005, 10:17
Carlton with a full side couldn't beat Richmond at the moment.
Definately a battle of the Titans :p
what makes you think the tigers are at full strength we have hartigan schultz rodan hyde and johnson who will only play half a game again this week and in saying that the tigers midfield is alot better then you guys obviously think tigers by 45
LMAO who???
the only thing that will save the tigers from the Blues is the fact Carlton hasn't played 4 good quarters in a row (barely even 2 actually) all season.
At full strength and in full flight Carlton is a 5-6 goal better side.
But reality is Carlton are not playing well and are far from full strength because of injuries and suspensions, and that is why richmond is a chance this week.
Carlton with a full side couldn't beat Richmond at the moment.
Definately a battle of the Titans :p
Keep dreaming. When the talented young Blues are at full strength, they have the ability to beat anyone. Consistency is our problem. :)
Funkalicous
5 May 2005, 10:25
Carlton with a full side couldn't beat Richmond at the moment.
Definately a battle of the Titans :p
With a full side we can beat anyone. Just look at the Wizard Cup... :cool: :D
Funkalicous
5 May 2005, 10:26
Keep dreaming. When the talented young Blues are at full strength, they have the ability to beat anyone. Consistency is our problem. :)
Great minds Parrot...... :cool:
...
At full strength and in full flight Carlton is a 5-6 goal better side.
But reality is Carlton are not playing well and are far from full strength because of injuries and suspensions, and that is why richmond is a chance this week.
Have to disagree.. a 10-12 goal better side. :)
Great minds Parrot...... :cool:
Just thought it was important to point out a few realities. :)
Really hope we win but these games can go either way regardless of where teams are on the ladder.
The fact we are chance at all shows how far we have came this season. Pagan has had the blues long enough now so should really be favourites.
smthomson
5 May 2005, 13:34
It's true though. They have no-one to go with those players. With Fev out of the way and Campereole likely to miss, the only bloke we should be concerned about is Kouta.
Again Richmond by 41 points (which also happens to be the difference between the teams' For and Against this season).
Nick Stevens to have a field day then ;)
bluesforever
5 May 2005, 13:37
Betts to kick 4 nice ones. It's time for Richmond or Carlton to be realistic, this game will show a bit of where they both are at and if finals are just a dream.
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Richmond for picking up Knobel ahead of us, because otherwise this wouldn't have happened....
Yet another talented young Blue. :)
Errr, what about the 6 times Cartlon passed him by and every other club? Good on Carlton for taking a punt on him, but have some perspective.
And by the way, I don't think he'd be doing as well as Knobel in the ruck...
If Thornton does as well against Richo as he always does then we'll win. Eddie Betts and Jarrad Waite will be the gamebreakers. If we're accountable then Richmond fall to pieces, Geelong did this in Round 1
Funkalicous
5 May 2005, 13:52
If Thornton does as well against Richo as he always does then we'll win. Eddie Betts and Jarrad Waite will be the gamebreakers. If we're accountable then Richmond fall to pieces, Geelong did this in Round 1
As did St Kilda. The sides they beat (Freo, Port, Dogs and Hawks) aren't the most accountable going around. We'll scrap out a win if we have to. Then we'll see if the Tigers have nerves of steel or not...
As did St Kilda. The sides they beat (Freo, Port, Dogs and Hawks) aren't the most accountable going around. We'll scrap out a win if we have to. Then we'll see if the Tigers have nerves of steel or not...
If carlton loses does that mean they're are down there with Freo, Port, Hawks and Dogs?
heartbroken
5 May 2005, 14:44
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank Richmond for picking up Knobel ahead of us, because otherwise this wouldn't have happened....
http://www.realfooty.theage.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/30/1s_betts_narrowweb__200x293.jpg
Yet another talented young Blue. :)
I thought Dwarf throwing was banned
KnaveyBlue
5 May 2005, 15:12
If carlton loses does that mean they're are down there with Freo, Port, Hawks and Dogs?
Yes it does.
Fully expect a win from this game. Fev and Campo is a big loss, but it's not enough of an excuse.
Must-win game, no excuses.
tigertRANCE
5 May 2005, 15:21
Even tho the Blues are decimated by injuries and suspension, and the tigers are at full strength, Carlton should be too strong in the midfield, and while their forward line is missing Fevola, its still potent enough to kick a winning score. Carlton by 3 goals after a tight first half.
Blues decimated and Tigers at full-strength? LOL. Ur a clown. We just got our captain back Johnson who still hasn't fully recovered from his foot injury and will only play a half or so. Add to that Rodan (knee out for season), Hartigan (hamstring), Hyde (skull fracture), who up until the Saints game has been our best onballer all year, and also Shultz (ankle), our young KP, forward/backman. Tiges really at full-strength. Get ur facts right Abba b4 posting.
GO TIGES!!!
tigertRANCE
5 May 2005, 15:27
Yeah, tottaly. :rolleyes:
You goose. They're probably bigger outs moron. Hyde has been a gun all year in the midfield. Rodan was earmarked by Wallace to dominate in the midfield also with his skill & pace. Hartigan has shown signs that he will also become a gun player with his run off and drive off the HB line. Had 13 possies in the first qtr against Dogs b4 he ripped his hammy. Shultz also a big loss at start of season as he could play a key forward or back role. I hope we thump you pr!cks. NO EXCUSES. WE HAVE JUST AS BIG OUTS. :rolleyes:
GO TIGES!!! EAT THESE $%#$# ALIVE!!!
tigertRANCE
5 May 2005, 15:34
Just thought it was important to point out a few realities. :)
Reality is, you have NI. Take off ur navy-blue sunnies so u can actually see properly. Yeh blues have injuries but the Tiges don't. LOL. :rolleyes:
GO TIGES!!!
bluesforever
5 May 2005, 15:42
lol mate Rodan is over-rated, just because Wallace said he would be good this year doesn't mean it would have happend, a very over-rated young lad i'd say. And as for your other outs, i cannot pinpoint a damaging player, i'd say we look more underdone, but will still beat Richmond by a few goals, our midfield will ******** all over yours which will give us plenty of more opportunity to score. GO Blues
Thalidomide
5 May 2005, 15:48
Reality is, you have NI. Take off ur navy-blue sunnies so u can actually see properly. Yeh blues have injuries but the Tiges don't. LOL. :rolleyes:
GO TIGES!!!huh?
tigertRANCE
5 May 2005, 15:49
lol mate Rodan is over-rated, just because Wallace said he would be good this year doesn't mean it would have happend, a very over-rated young lad i'd say. And as for your other outs, i cannot pinpoint a damaging player, i'd say we look more underdone, but will still beat Richmond by a few goals, our midfield will ******** all over yours which will give us plenty of more opportunity to score. GO Blues
Goose. Rodan was ready to go BANG. Unfortunate. Show's ur footy knowledge if u dont think Hyde hasn't had a top year. We have a few more running players out which will give u the edge in the midfield which is where injuries hurt more. We will win though.
GO TIGES!!!
juzza316
5 May 2005, 15:50
You goose. They're probably bigger outs moron. Hyde has been a gun all year in the midfield. Rodan was earmarked by Wallace to dominate in the midfield also with his skill & pace. Hartigan has shown signs that he will also become a gun player with his run off and drive off the HB line. Had 13 possies in the first qtr against Dogs b4 he ripped his hammy. Shultz also a big loss at start of season as he could play a key forward or back role. I hope we thump you pr!cks. NO EXCUSES. WE HAVE JUST AS BIG OUTS. :rolleyes:
GO TIGES!!! EAT THESE $%#$# ALIVE!!!
Fevola, Camporeale, Chambers, Fisher, Livingson and Carrazzo are alot bigger outs than Rodent, Fartigan and Sh1tz.
Anyway, even if we lose with those out, it will be no excuse. You have been a sh1t club for the last 20 years, nothing's gonna change now!
Waite_30
5 May 2005, 15:51
The blues will win if we can stop both Richo and Dr. Pink. T-Bird on Richo and Teague on Dr. Pink. We have a strong midfield with the clearence king in the middle and to ball-magnets in Stevens and Scotland in there as well. Richo plays good when Richmond fire, so we have to stop their midfield and both gun forwards. I don't think richmond have three tall backmen to hold Whitnall, Waite and De Luca.
Blues by 17 points
itsintheblood
5 May 2005, 15:51
If Thornton does as well against Richo as he always does then we'll win. Eddie Betts and Jarrad Waite will be the gamebreakers. If we're accountable then Richmond fall to pieces, Geelong did this in Round 1
We're not as richo focussed as you think this year. You still have Browny to worry about and the tall timber resting on the forward line along with pettifer who can slip in and kick 3 or 4 easy ones. Richo is not your biggest worry.
You goose. They're probably bigger outs moron. Hyde has been a gun all year in the midfield. Rodan was earmarked by Wallace to dominate in the midfield also with his skill & pace.!
Hyde has been a gun in the midfield all year?
He doesnt figure in the top 10 for
kicks
handballs
disposals
tackles
contested ball gets
uncontested ball gets
inside 50s
rebound 50s
marks
spoils
clearances
centre bounce clearances.
As a matter of fact he doesnt appear anywhere except in your imagination.
I'm sure Carlton will miss Camporeale, Fevola, Chambers, Carrazzo, Livingston, Fisher and Prendergast but Hyde!!!
Chris Hyde!!!
How could we possibly compare with a loss like that? :D
To Carlton supporters credit at least they are getting their excuses in early.Freo and Port supporters forgot to do that. :D
Another who doesn't have fox footy then
jackson_rules
5 May 2005, 16:04
Hyde has been a gun in the midfield all year?
He doesnt figure in the top 10 for
kicks
handballs
disposals
tackles
contested ball gets
uncontested ball gets
inside 50s
rebound 50s
marks
spoils
clearances
centre bounce clearances.
As a matter of fact he doesnt appear anywhere except in your imagination.
I'm sure Carlton will miss Camporeale, Fevola, Chambers, Carrazzo, Livingston, Fisher and Prendergast but Hyde!!!
Chris Hyde!!!
How could we possibly compare with a loss like that? :D
lol
hyde has more handballs then stevens and campo
hyde has like 9 less kick then campo in a 1 less game
hyde 102 possies to campos 86 with hyde playing one less game and might i add hyde has been probably our best user of the ball in the middle when grabs the ball and jsut runs
i dont have any of those other stats but i think i have proved my point in saying chris hyde is very important part of the tigers midfield
Pie 4 Life
5 May 2005, 16:05
Richmond will win and win well.
Coin_Toss
5 May 2005, 16:12
[QUOTE=bluesforever]Place all your tips here[QUOTE]
Richmond by 4 goals.
Thalidomide
5 May 2005, 16:13
Dare i say it. Carlton by a margin. Remember, the Tigers were the spooners. Wallace to declare that they didn't play accountable footy
Hyde is Sh.t. Fancy missing because of a fractured skull.
If Johnson is so under done and half fit he shouldn't be playing!
I thought Dwarf throwing was banned
GOLD :D
juzza316
5 May 2005, 16:17
lol
hyde has more handballs then stevens and campo
hyde has like 9 less kick then campo in a 1 less game
hyde 102 possies to campos 86 with hyde playing one less game and might i add hyde has been probably our best user of the ball in the middle when grabs the ball and jsut runs
i dont have any of those other stats but i think i have proved my point in saying chris hyde is very important part of the tigers midfield
You've won me over :rolleyes:
thegezman
5 May 2005, 16:19
my gut feeling is that the tiges will rolls us.
unless carlton has their best 22 we aren't much of a threat to anyone.
all we can do is try and scrap out a win which is pretty much what we've done everygame. for 2 and half wins out of six.
we havent controlled games often enough, and when we have we have squanded our chances.
we need a lot to go right on saturday for a win.
i'm actually expecting another valiant 20 odd point loss like in most games this year. the boys will try hard no doubt, but we just done have the threatening players like the times seem to. if they break our will i can see a blow out similar to the power last week.
hope i'm wrong though.
itsintheblood
5 May 2005, 16:23
Hyde is Sh.t. Fancy missing because of a fractured skull.
If Johnson is so under done and half fit he shouldn't be playing!
If hyde is shchitt, where does that leave digby morell????
The last 3 times we have meet Carlton they have beaten us:
1pt (2002 MCG) carlton break 10 game losing streak
7pts (2003 MCG) Carlton upset Richmond, Tigers loses 4 in a row
31pts (2004 Dome). Fev kicks 8, 6 in first half
Carlton and Richmond games at the MCG have always been good close matches.
Carlton are missing Fev and we're playing much better football, thanks to plough, and not wholly focused on Richo like in the past seasons. We have more options up forward and playing a more attacking style game. which is the reason why we should win this one.
Should be a great game.
Richmond by 4 goals.
tigertRANCE
5 May 2005, 16:30
huh?
What don't u get ? Don't u understand English? :rolleyes:
GO TIGES!!!
PAFC2004
5 May 2005, 16:32
Carlton in a close one.
These are the types of games richmond usually lose, well nuder frawley we would have. I'm hoping with wallace we have turned the corner.
Last time we played with arguably the worst richmond side to take a ground with hacks like fiora, fletcher, blumfield, zantuck, we lost by 31 points to the blues,
Fev kicked 8- obvious difference-
This time we have a better team, better coach, no fev
Tiges to pull away in a tight game up to 3 quater time to win by 4-5 goals
Tambling to set the MCG on fire
juzza316
5 May 2005, 16:42
If hyde is shchitt, where does that leave digby morell????
In the magoo's you fool.
Yze_Magic
5 May 2005, 16:43
This is the 'who cares?' game of the week
Carlton have no-one to hold Richo
Yes we do, his name is Bret Thronton and he did a good job on him last time they played.
Though it will be tought this time because they are playing great footy, though I suspect we're in for a chance if we can put pressure on them like we did for the last few years with much worse sides. Form is irrelevant in these sort of matches - Richmond were supposed to be good in 2002 after a brilliant start. Also consider both sides are not consistent.
And Dice Man, do you not rate Nick Stevens? He tore you guys up last time.
This is the 'who cares?' game of the week
Then why are you here........yze the fool
This is the 'who cares?' game of the week
More than your own supporter base care about this game, I'd say even Collingwood, Essendon, Port and Hawthorn supporters would care to an extent as it puts a little bit of pressure off them where the wooden spoon is concerned.
itsintheblood
5 May 2005, 16:53
Carlton in a close one.
Still hurting hey?? Dont blame you.
itsintheblood
5 May 2005, 16:54
In the magoo's you fool.
And most appropriately I must say. A dud and a half.
Ghost of Punt Road
5 May 2005, 16:54
I think Carlton is a harder and more practiced side, and will have the knowledge to exploit the Tigers still gaping weaknesses. Still, our forwards aren't bad.
Really hard to pick.
itsintheblood
5 May 2005, 16:57
Yes we do, his name is Bret Thronton and he did a good job on him last time they played.
Though it will be tought this time because they are playing great footy, though I suspect we're in for a chance if we can put pressure on them like we did for the last few years with much worse sides. Form is irrelevant in these sort of matches - Richmond were supposed to be good in 2002 after a brilliant start. Also consider both sides are not consistent.
And Dice Man, do you not rate Nick Stevens? He tore you guys up last time.
You forget one very important factor. We no longer have cyclone frawley and Wayne "king of failure" brittain in charge. Dont underestimate how big a factor this is. Last year we bomb all and sundry to richo who had 3 hanging off him all the time. Not the case this year. Many more options.
lol
hyde has more handballs then stevens and campo
hyde has like 9 less kick then campo in a 1 less game
hyde 102 possies to campos 86 with hyde playing one less game and might i add hyde has been probably our best user of the ball in the middle when grabs the ball and jsut runs
i dont have any of those other stats but i think i have proved my point in saying chris hyde is very important part of the tigers midfield
Well obviously Hyde has been a "gun in the midfield all year"!!!
And I'm sure Stevens is proud you are comparing him with Hyde.
Stevens who is 7th for total kicks in the AFL
19th for tackles
8th for total disposals
10th for kicks per game
3rd for uncontested ball gets
1st for centre bounce clearances
2nd for clearances and 6th for rebound 50s.
But Hyde!
Hyde appears in one top 20 category.
12th for handballs!
Yes Hyde has been a gun in the midfield and comparing him to Stevens has really reinforced your point. ;)
Still hurting hey?? Dont blame you.
Yeah that flag they just won hurts,when was you're last?
itsintheblood
5 May 2005, 17:01
Yeah that flag they just won hurts,when was you're last?
Cant change history mate. Look to the future.
You forget one very important factor. We no longer have cyclone frawley and Wayne "king of failure" brittain in charge. Dont underestimate how big a factor this is. Last year we bomb all and sundry to richo who had 3 hanging off him all the time. Not the case this year. Many more options.
Oh, no ... I'm certainly not forgetting that, it's obvious that your side has improved from that. But that doesn't make your side immune from pressure and inconsistency. Neither does it change the fact that we DO have someone who can hold Richo, as he has done so in the past.
Richo on his day can prety much beat any FB though. That's what I am concerned about, but I'm confident in Thornton getting the job on him because it has worked on us before. The midfield is where the game will be won - the danger men for you are Stevens, Kouta, Lappin and possibly Houlihan. If you can't contain them you'll be in trouble - such effective players.
I'm really pleased with Kouta's form this year, especially since people (including yourself) said that he was finished. Expecting a ripper!
CHRIS HYDE
Round 1 Geelong
6 kicks 11 handballs 3 marks 1 tackle
Round 2 Hawthorn
11 kicks 6 handballs 4 marks 2 tackles 1 goal
Round 3 Western Bulldogs
17 kicks 12 handballs 6 marks 3 tackles
Round 4 Fremantle
13 kicks 9 handballs 7 marks
Round 5 St Kilda (fractured skull)
10 kicks 7 handball 3 marks 1 tackle
Those stats don't set the world on fire, but they are very solid
jackson_rules
5 May 2005, 17:17
Oh, no ... I'm certainly not forgetting that, it's obvious that your side has improved from that. But that doesn't make your side immune from pressure and inconsistency. Neither does it change the fact that we DO have someone who can hold Richo, as he has done so in the past.
Richo on his day can prety much beat any FB though. That's what I am concerned about, but I'm confident in Thornton getting the job on him because it has worked on us before. The midfield is where the game will be won - the danger men for you are Stevens, Kouta, Lappin and possibly Houlihan. If you can't contain them you'll be in trouble - such effective players.
I'm really pleased with Kouta's form this year, especially since people (including yourself) said that he was finished. Expecting a ripper!
remember we have more options then richo now :)
Tigerbob
5 May 2005, 17:32
Fevola, Camporeale, Chambers, Fisher, Livingson and Carrazzo are alot bigger outs than Rodent, Fartigan and Sh1tz.
Anyway, even if we lose with those out, it will be no excuse. You have been a sh1t club for the last 20 years, nothing's gonna change now!
Fevola, an important loss, Camporeale, an important loss, Chambers, a slight loss, Fisher, a slight loss, Livingston, a slight loss and Carrazzo, a slight loss!
Every team has injuries and suspensions buddy...get over it!
And ill have Hartigan 100 times over Carrazzo, not saying Carrazzo is bad, but Harto has a bit more mongrel, a bit more class, and a bit more polish.
Schultz, Hyde, Hartigan and Rodan are in our best 22, and are all important players to the team just like yours. No more excuses!!!
Richmond by 23 points in a very even game, got respect for the Blues!!
Rodgerramjet
5 May 2005, 17:48
Form is irrelevant in these sort of matches
Couldn't agree more with this statement. These sides have history and both sides should be well motivated for the occassion. Carltons season may very well hang in the balance of the out come of this match and this wont be lost on Pagan. Equally Wallace will have the Tigers primed for this one as well, It will give our team and supporter base a huge boast in confidence to kick the guts out of the Blues. Thornton can and has matched up on Richo in the past and the tiges should be looking to have an even spread of goal kickers for this match and no doubt that is the way they will approach it, If Richo has a day out then we'll take it as a bonus. The loss of Fevola is a big loss for the Blues and a huge gain for the tigers, it's one major forward we don't have to worry about, but it does create other problems, the blues route to goal to that degree becomes just a little bit more un predictable and the one player the tiges are going to have to watch is Eddie Betts. Whitnal will probably lift for this game as will Lappin.
The team with the better discipline will win this game, both sides you would catergorise as being in consistant. If Richmond play like we did against port in the third and fourth quarters last week we will win, if not then the side with the most passion will.
Punt_Road_Roar
6 May 2005, 14:34
With Richo, Simmonds, Stafford & Brown up forward Richmond should win this one.
Midfield is even Kouta & Stevens are great players, but dont under estimate Richmonds ability to rotate half a dozen players throughout the centre all afternoon and I think Richmond's defence is actually capable of holding Carlton's Forwardline without Fev.
Richmond's biggest problem is not being able to perform when on centre stage, this is what I'm most concerned about especially coming off a great win such as last week.
But in these games its always tight, the Blues will give the Tigers a good shake up could even pinch it and I expect this to go to the wire but I think the Tigers will win by 5 points.
Stafford678
6 May 2005, 14:38
Yep the way Richo has been playing, they Blues might be too focused on shutting him down which plays into our hands becuase Stafford,Brown and Pettifer have kicked goals lately while Simmonds while not setting the world on fire will probly take the 2nd best defender. Will DeLuca play on Stafford?
celtic_pride
6 May 2005, 14:52
Apparently richmond are the best things since sliced bread.
BTW I voted for Carlton, even without FEV I'm very confident
Fevalenko25
6 May 2005, 19:56
Carlton by 6 goals :p
Tormented Tiger
6 May 2005, 21:33
Hard game to pick a winner. So looking for a loser might be easier and that will be the team that reverts to flooding. Now some might call it Pagans Paddock but the logic will just call it flooding. :rolleyes: