View Full Version : The Team Vs Dockers
go_the_bombers
12 May 2005, 17:55
IN: Tristan Cartledge, David Hille, Angus Monfries, Damian Cupido, Mark Alvey
OUT: Marc Bullen, Paul Thomas
B:36. Ty Zantuck 31. Dustin Fletcher 12. Andrew Welsh
HB: 33. Adam McPhee 16. Kepler Bradley 23. Mark Bolton
C: 28. Justin Murphy 14. Jason Johnson 8. Jason Winderlich
HF: 41. Andrew Lovett 25. Scott Lucas 10. Mark McVeigh
F:43. Dean Rioli 18. Matthew Lloyd 26. Jason Laycock
R:19. David Hille 11. Damien Peverill 1. Mark Johnson
IC: 42. Nathan Lovett-Murray 22. Tristan Cartledge 3. Aaron Henneman 15. Mark Alvey 24. Brent Stanton 6. Angus Monfries 13. Damian Cupido
Longy413
12 May 2005, 18:00
Pretty happy with that.
I reckon LM, Cartledge, Alvey and Stanton will play.
If Hille's appeal fails then Henno will stay in the side.
eastaugh36
12 May 2005, 18:02
I'm not taking much notice of that as the game isn't until Sunday and there are so many questions that need to be answered -
Will Hille win his appeal?
Will J.Johnson play?
Will Bradley play?
Good to see Monfries back in. Disappointed for Thomas but he will go back and star in the vfl and be back.
given that Hille, JJ and Bradley all play the interchange imho would likely be NLM, Alvey, Stanton and Monfries. Carts in if Hille's appeal fails.
Plenty of midfield run that way
go_the_bombers
12 May 2005, 18:06
can't see Cupido getting in the final 22
Longy413
12 May 2005, 18:07
given that Hille, JJ and Bradley all play the interchange imho would likely be NLM, Alvey, Stanton and Monfries. Carts in if Hille's appeal fails.
Plenty of midfield run that way
I think we might go the other way and go tall and keep at least one of Hille and Laycock in the forward line at all times. Meaning Cartledge, Laycock and one of Hille/Henno will play.
Worked for Richmond.
I think we might go the other way and go tall and keep at least one of Hille and Laycock in the forward line at all times. Meaning Cartledge, Laycock and one of Hille/Henno will play.
Worked for Richmond.
possibly, quite possibly. It's an interesting one because I can see the value of it however our biggest concerns are to do with sustaining our midfield. Roll the dice
go_the_bombers
12 May 2005, 18:10
If Henno plays along with Hille/Cartledge and Laycock, I reckon Henno will play back!
Longy413
12 May 2005, 18:19
possibly, quite possibly. It's an interesting one because I can see the value of it however our biggest concerns are to do with sustaining our midfield. Roll the dice
It is a roll of the dice.
However, we can't match Freo's midfield even if we did have a couple extra on the bench.
Whereas the extra tall could really do some damage.
Do we play the extra midfielder and try and maybe break even, or play the extra tall and accept we will probably get beaten in the middle but hope that makes the difference?
Tall blokes don't get any smaller when the midfielders get tired.
If Henno plays along with Hille/Cartledge and Laycock, I reckon Henno will play back!
On pavlich!
He can't do as bad as Jason Cloke! Surely!
stormee
12 May 2005, 20:44
I think we might go the other way and go tall and keep at least one of Hille and Laycock in the forward line at all times. Meaning Cartledge, Laycock and one of Hille/Henno will play.
Worked for Richmond.
Worked for Richmond because Polak and Haddrill were injured, and so was matty carr, so our midfield and backline were totally undermanned and we couldnt win the ball out of the centre or cover their forwards when they got it down there.
go team
12 May 2005, 20:49
three man team? 8-)
Darealrath
12 May 2005, 20:51
Good to see Winderlich gets another game.
I doubt Cupes will play but being considered will give him some confidence at least.
From that bench Stanton would have to be a certainty after last week, with LM to stay on too, and i can't imagine Sheeds would drop Henno...i guess i hope Alvey gets the last spot. That would give us quite a versatile bench.
keepzitreal
12 May 2005, 21:07
- If Hille and Laycock play, they shouldnt play Henneman. Dont mind Cartledge but definitely not Henneman.
- Cant believe they aint dropping Murphy. If he continually f*cks up again, they better drop him
- Im actually a fan of Cupido despite his lackluster form. I hope he can kick it into a second gear and actually be productive. Needs to get his mind right and his ability should take him there
- They shouldnt play McPhee on Pavlich. Hopefully they give Welsh the job, i think he could do alright. If not Bolton, but his another that continually f8cks up
- Id like to see NLM be given more time at HB, i think he could be good
- From that bench id like to see em take in NLM, Alvey, Monfries and Stanton. Dont think cupes will get a game above them and i dont think we need more than 2 ruckman.
- Any word on the fitness of Kepler Bradley or Jason Johnson? I dont wanna see either on be pulled out on the day. Also how long till either Solly or Jimmy or return?
- They shouldnt play McPhee on Pavlich. Hopefully they give Welsh the job, i think he could do alright. If not Bolton, but his another that continually f8cks up
Welsh? That's one out of left field for me, he's smaller than McPhee!
ManWithNoName
12 May 2005, 21:22
How the hell do Henno, Bolts and Murph still gets spots in the team while Paul Thomas gets dropped?
Absolutely ridiculous.
Longy413
12 May 2005, 22:03
Worked for Richmond because Polak and Haddrill were injured, and so was matty carr, so our midfield and backline were totally undermanned and we couldnt win the ball out of the centre or cover their forwards when they got it down there.
I wouldn't think Polak would play would he?
And if he had of played against Richmond would he have stopped a Richo, Stafford or Simmonds?
The fact is, your midfield is your absolute strength and we can't match it.
Your forward line with McPharlin up there is very good.
A defence without McPharlin in it, is your definate weakness. Our best option is to exploit it. Polak is a fine young player, but Scott Lucas is a seasoned, top-line forward. Haddrill is a solid defender, as is Parker, but Matthew Lloyd is in the top forwards in the competition.
Jason Laycock is 200cm and built like a brick outhouse, has sticky hands and is very tough to match-up on.
Regardless of Hadrill and Polak's inclusion, our best bet is to stack our forward line and hope we get enough ball down there.
Thunderstruck
12 May 2005, 22:08
How the hell do Henno, Bolts and Murph still gets spots in the team while Paul Thomas gets dropped?
Absolutely ridiculous.
Thommo didn't have his best game but I couldn't agree more. One day selection will wake up I guess. At least Bullen was out.
If Thommo aint gunna get a game and Wilbur doesn;t get promoted and Nash falls out of favour all 3 are VERY WELCOME to come back where they belong at Centrals.
I think we might go the other way and go tall and keep at least one of Hille and Laycock in the forward line at all times. Meaning Cartledge, Laycock and one of Hille/Henno will play.
Worked for Richmond.
Richmond have an in form and dominant midfield. No disrespect to the blokes lining up for us but they dont take control of the game like the tigers midfielders have been. It is no use loading up the forward line if you aren't delivering the pill well and often.
We need to include as many runners as possible and keep some fresh rotations. We have beaten the dockers in the past by getting in first and winning the ball.
If we can win enough ball then Lucas and Lloyd should be enough up forward for talls. Laycock can stroll down there to rest every now and then but we need to give lloyd all the room he wants. Haddrill wont go with him on a lead if we can deliver the football half decent and Parker cant compete with Lloyd physically....he needs space and plenty of it.
Pev needs to do a job..enough of this free wheeling rubbish. Pev is at his best when he cuts out an opponent then gets 15 to 20 possesions himself. We dont need him kick chasing getting mid twenty possesions because his man usually runs amok and Pev just doesnt hurt teams with his possesions.
We need to use the quick kids more, when players are running off half back and licha or lovett are free for god sake give it to them and let them run. We have a nasty habit of ignoring the kids and kicking to name players under pressure(Dyson knows about this all to well). We have some pacy weapons just waiting to be exploited.
Should be a decent game and we can win this although im not exactly confident.
keepzitreal
13 May 2005, 02:52
Welsh? That's one out of left field for me, he's smaller than McPhee!
Yeah but Pav gets most of his possesions on the lead. They generally aren't contested marks so the height shouldnt be that much of a problem unless they take him to the goal square where we'd have to reshuffle. That would be a win for us anyway as it would keep Pav away from their half forward area.
At least Welsh has the ability to run with Pav and stay with him, similar to how he played on Caracella on Anzac day (yes I know u cant compare Pav to Caracella but u get the idea)
I think its best not to give McPhee a damaging opponent so he can run off and do what he wants and be the 3rd man up in defence and also provide run off half back like he did last week
Longy413
13 May 2005, 08:08
Here's an idea.
Lets find out exactly how good Kepler Bradley is and play him on Pavlich.
We have all screamed in the past that kids aren't played in their positions when they come into the side. If Kepler is going to develop into a long CHB, lets play him on the best now.
Here's an idea.
Lets find out exactly how good Kepler Bradley is and play him on Pavlich.
We have all screamed in the past that kids aren't played in their positions when they come into the side. If Kepler is going to develop into a long CHB, lets play him on the best now.
Putting our CHB on their CHF.....hmmm?......Absolute genius Longy. ;)
Seriously though i agree with you..i reckon Kepler would thrive on the challenge.
Daytripper
13 May 2005, 10:30
The problem is, I'd think it would be extremely doubtful that Kepler will play.
Yeah but Pav gets most of his possesions on the lead. They generally aren't contested marks so the height shouldnt be that much of a problem unless they take him to the goal square where we'd have to reshuffle. That would be a win for us anyway as it would keep Pav away from their half forward area.
At least Welsh has the ability to run with Pav and stay with him, similar to how he played on Caracella on Anzac day (yes I know u cant compare Pav to Caracella but u get the idea)
I think its best not to give McPhee a damaging opponent so he can run off and do what he wants and be the 3rd man up in defence and also provide run off half back like he did last week
Mcphee would be quicker and likely fitter than Welsh though too. Welsh is generally for small forwards imo. If you don't want to play McPhee on him fair enough but I don't think Welsh is the answer.
go_the_bombers
13 May 2005, 11:56
Welsh will take Farmer
Reveler
13 May 2005, 12:20
Polak wasn't suppose to be back till next week, so I'd be suprised if he plays.
Freo don't have anyone that could stop an inform Lloyd, Parker will probally take him but will lose convinsingly if the ball is delivered well.
should be an awesome game though...
eastaugh36
13 May 2005, 12:35
Thommo didn't have his best game but I couldn't agree more. One day selection will wake up I guess. At least Bullen was out.
If Thommo aint gunna get a game and Wilbur doesn;t get promoted and Nash falls out of favour all 3 are VERY WELCOME to come back where they belong at Centrals.
Would be 3 very nice recruits for the dogs! I hope they make their mark at Windy Hill before we see them in the red, white and blue though!
sabre_ac
13 May 2005, 13:38
I wouldn't think Polak would play would he?
And if he had of played against Richmond would he have stopped a Richo, Stafford or Simmonds?
Had Polak and Haddrill played it would have been a very differnt game.
The fact is, your midfield is your absolute strength and we can't match it.
Your forward line with McPharlin up there is very good.
Forward line has now become our strength, we now have the perfect mix. Pavlich the half forward, McPharlin and Medhurst the making strength, Headland and Farmer the skilled.
Midfield in my opinion is still one player from being as strong as it could be, we still lack pace, Schammer needs to step up.
A defence without McPharlin in it, is your definate weakness. Our best option is to exploit it. Polak is a fine young player, but Scott Lucas is a seasoned, top-line forward. Haddrill is a solid defender, as is Parker, but Matthew Lloyd is in the top forwards in the competition.
Jason Laycock is 200cm and built like a brick outhouse, has sticky hands and is very tough to match-up on.
Regardless of Hadrill and Polak's inclusion, our best bet is to stack our forward line and hope we get enough ball down there.
My opinion our defence is almost on par with our forward line.
Haddrill and Polak are experienced players that are all class.
Polak and Thornton are highly capable young players that can do the job.
Hadrill has shown in the past he can match it with Loylld.
Polak/Thornton can do hte job on lucas.
With parker able to play on any player in the competition, he is a more than handy backup.
Freo are strong across the park, basically unless longmuir goes down have no weakness, a top 4 side without a doubt.
The problem is and always has bene mental toughness, if the bombers are going to win like they have in the past they will do so by scaring the ******** out of us.
Reveler
13 May 2005, 14:01
jesus saber_ac they are some big calls. We have never had a backman that can stop a forward like Richo, Neitz, Lloyd when they are in full flight. Sure if they play an average game then they could cover them.
As some essendon supporters have pointed out our best bet is to choke the supply. If essendon play close checking football then we culd be in for some toruble.
sabre_ac
13 May 2005, 16:14
jesus saber_ac they are some big calls. We have never had a backman that can stop a forward like Richo, Neitz, Lloyd when they are in full flight. Sure if they play an average game then they could cover them.
As some essendon supporters have pointed out our best bet is to choke the supply. If essendon play close checking football then we culd be in for some toruble.
Richo has a day out against us constantly granted.
Hadrill seemed to do a decent job on Lloyd recently
Neitz not sure.
As I said, I see it all comes down to intimidation, the dons have intimidated us in the past and won.
If they do it again, we will loose.
Chief_Deano
13 May 2005, 18:22
How the hell do Henno, Bolts and Murph still gets spots in the team while Paul Thomas gets dropped?
Absolutely ridiculous.
Because Paul Thomas is not the same type of player as Henno and Bolts in terms of size and playing position. With Murph, i dont really have an answer!
I feel that Henno would only play if Hille's appeal is unsuccessful.
The final bench is Cartledge, NLM, Alvey and Stanton.
Henno, Monfries and Cupido left out.
Hille to play after the appeals tribunal made a good decision!
Longy mate, on the money!
Pretty happy with that.
I reckon LM, Cartledge, Alvey and Stanton will play.
If Hille's appeal fails then Henno will stay in the side.
Somebody give the man a prize
You were right on the money with the team selections..Hille, Cartledge and Alvey come into the side. Henno, Bullen and Thomas go out.
The final bench is Cartledge, NLM, Alvey and Stanton.
Henno, Monfries and Cupido left out.
Hille to play after the appeals tribunal made a good decision!
Longy mate, on the money!
Too quick for me again whirl, bobo or what ever ya bloody name is. :p
Darealrath
13 May 2005, 19:50
Somebody give the man a prize
Give him your job ;)
Very happy with the team now, very happy. Good mix. 3 genuine rucks.
Is Bradley a cert ?
Too quick for me again whirl, bobo or what ever ya bloody name is. :p
call me whirlingbobo, Marcuz :cool:
Give him your job ;)
Which one?
My day job as a mechanic?...The moderater job on this board? Or the job as Jennifer Hawkins' play thing?
Darealrath
13 May 2005, 20:00
Which one?
My day job as a mechanic?...The moderater job on this board? Or the job as Jennifer Hawkins' play thing?
Does she pay better than Appleyard ?
Does she pay better than Appleyard ?
no
Adrian goes all out with the merc company cars, booze , money and free hookers.
Longy413
14 May 2005, 10:42
Somebody give the man a prize
You were right on the money with the team selections..Hille, Cartledge and Alvey come into the side. Henno, Bullen and Thomas go out.
If you head along to the VFL today I think you might notice one of the emergencies missing.
Shhhhh! ;)
Longy413
14 May 2005, 10:46
Richo has a day out against us constantly granted.
Hadrill seemed to do a decent job on Lloyd recently
Neitz not sure.
As I said, I see it all comes down to intimidation, the dons have intimidated us in the past and won.
If they do it again, we will loose.
So basically your ruling out that Essendon could actually play better footy on the day.
We have two areas where we can exploit you. In the ruck and down forward.
Our defence has done a good job at holding your forward line in the past and has been our only shining light this season (other than a couple of individuals in Lovett, Laycock and Bradley).
Our ruckman give our midfielders quality ball and our midfielders then give our forwards quality ball and your defence WILL NOT hold them.
SydneyBomber
14 May 2005, 11:56
If you head along to the VFL today I think you might notice one of the emergencies missing.
Shhhhh! ;)
please god not henneman...
:(
thewhippersnapper
14 May 2005, 13:17
please god not henneman...
:(
Nope, Henneman is playing for Bendigo at the moment.
Nope, Henneman is playing for Bendigo at the moment.
And playing well. :eek:
Looks like Cupes will line up for the seniors.
thewhippersnapper
14 May 2005, 13:44
And playing well. :eek:
Looks like Cupes will line up for the seniors.
Yep 6 disposals and a couple of good marks to quarter time.
Stealth bomber
14 May 2005, 17:06
Yep 6 disposals and a couple of good marks to quarter time.
And very little after that.
sabre_ac
15 May 2005, 16:34
Well done.
Lovett murray the difference, I left him out of the equation to my error.
In the end it was the fast small forwards that killed us
Longy413
15 May 2005, 18:13
Well done.
Lovett murray the difference, I left him out of the equation to my error.
In the end it was the fast small forwards that killed us
Lovett.
The team did well against the Dockers. Few individual standouts but a team effort.