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With a few changes more likely than not who do you think will go or stay.
Just a few thoughts on a few.Not exactly sure who is out of contract so some of these may be wrong.
Aaron Hennaman - should go but i have a feeling he will stay around . No other club would want him and Sheeds likes him . Maybe just maybe if he is left at full back he could have limited value as a back up.
Matthew Allen - i think his knee injury will finish him. Have enough ruck stocks now with Hille , Laycock and Cartledge.
Mark Alvey - has to keep improving every week( which he has done so far) but may not get that chance if his game time is limited. I dont like his chances of being around much longer.
Joel Reynolds- looks like Joels time may be up has simply had too many injuries to get a decent crack at it and i cant seeing him making much more of an impression.
Ted Richards - may get a reprive but also could be trade bait because of his size. We wouldnt get a gun player for him but he could be used in some sort of deal or for a second round pick.
Sam Hunt - it has to be over for Sam if he doesnt get a game soon. His VFL form has been good this year but he still cant get a look in.
Marc Bullen - has had his chance and isnt up to it. Would be a bonus if we got a draft pick for him.
Justin Murphy - would be 50/50 if he stays.
Mark Bolton - looks to have had his one good season, should be traded if we can get anything for him. Last two years simply havnt been good enough.
With a few changes more likely than not who do you think will go or stay.
Just a few thoughts on a few.Not exactly sure who is out of contract so some of these may be wrong.
Aaron Hennaman - should go but i have a feeling he will stay around . No other club would want him and Sheeds likes him . Maybe just maybe if he is left at full back he could have limited value as a back up.
Matthew Allen - i think his knee injury will finish him. Have enough ruck stocks now with Hille , Laycock and Cartledge.
Mark Alvey - has to keep improving every week( which he has done so far) but may not get that chance if his game time is limited. I dont like his chances of being around much longer.
Joel Reynolds- looks like Joels time may be up has simply had too many injuries to get a decent crack at it and i cant seeing him making much more of an impression.
Ted Richards - may get a reprive but also could be trade bait because of his size. We wouldnt get a gun player for him but he could be used in some sort of deal or for a second round pick.
Sam Hunt - it has to be over for Sam if he doesnt get a game soon. His VFL form has been good this year but he still cant get a look in.
Marc Bullen - has had his chance and isnt up to it. Would be a bonus if we got a draft pick for him.
Justin Murphy - would be 50/50 if he stays.
Mark Bolton - looks to have had his one good season, should be traded if we can get anything for him. Last two years simply havnt been good enough.
Agree mostly with what you say here...............but the knife must cut deeper.
Must Go's:
Allen
Bolton
Alvey
Bullen
Henneman
Hunt
Not Safe's:
Reynolds
Winderlich
Zantuck
Thomas
Cupido
Haynes
Murphy
Prefer to Keep But Possible Trade Bait:
J. Johnson
Richards
Ramanauskas
Peverill
Stanton
some eyebrows may be raised by some names here.....BUT..........we have to offer something of value to attract potential value trades
i would much prefer to be giving up any combination of the names mentioned above with a later round draft pick than give up an early draft pick for a big name like Dal Santo or whoever.
we should be focusing on creating even more room in our salary cap to accommodate a 'big-signing' not carrying deadwood that have proven simply not good enough..........they may have been value in the past but their futures are not going to take us to our next flag.
InFlames
5 Jun 2005, 14:35
I think Dean Soloman is a big worry for the dons, Hes out of form, and since he has been out for so long, he dosnt really have a real position to play.
Sheedy has tried him in the middle, but he cant do the job except for maybe for like a quarter or so.
I think if Zantuck cant improve as a player, or worse, his form gets more worse, i think next year sheedy should replace Zantucks place in the backline with Soloman - were Dean has played some of his best football for the bombers.
bOmBeR_BoY1
5 Jun 2005, 16:01
Where do we go next year? Bermuda is looking nice in September. Have also heard good reports on the Maldives.
Agree mostly with what you say here...............but the knife must cut deeper.
Must Go's:
Allen
Bolton
Alvey
Bullen
Henneman
Hunt
Not Safe's:
Reynolds
Winderlich
Zantuck
Thomas
Cupido
Haynes
Murphy
Prefer to Keep But Possible Trade Bait:
J. Johnson
Richards
Ramanauskas
Peverill
Stanton
some eyebrows may be raised by some names here.....BUT..........we have to offer something of value to attract potential value trades
i would much prefer to be giving up any combination of the names mentioned above with a later round draft pick than give up an early draft pick for a big name like Dal Santo or whoever.
we should be focusing on creating even more room in our salary cap to accommodate a 'big-signing' not carrying deadwood that have proven simply not good enough..........they may have been value in the past but their futures are not going to take us to our next flag.
Ok i can go with most of this but trade Stanton? why the hell would we want to trade a young midfielder with pace who is getting better. Sure his disposal is still poor at times but then the same could be said for Jason Johnson.
His last 3 weeks have been very good.
Longy413
5 Jun 2005, 19:25
One of the worst threads of read on this board.
Ok i can go with most of this but trade Stanton? why the hell would we want to trade a young midfielder with pace who is getting better. Sure his disposal is still poor at times but then the same could be said for Jason Johnson.
His last 3 weeks have been very good.
Yeh a fair call by you i suppose...........but am just not convinced he is going to be a great player...........his speed is good...........his ball acquisition is improving................but his disposal is woeful...........& i have yet to see any improvement in 18 months.................look you could be right or i could be right............only time will tell..............just not convinced that it is unimaginable to offer him up in some trade for a more promising prospect.
PS: is easy to single out one of the names i suggested but what do you think about some of the others i have mentioned that werent on your original list?
One of the worst threads of read on this board.
so whats your trade strategy for next season?
just ignore it & hope we'll stroll in next years flag with our current list? :rolleyes:
bigbomber
5 Jun 2005, 22:55
hackman must go and i think he will this time, his had his chance. ramanauskas should be used as trade bait, could get something for him and he wouldnt be a major loss.
alvey should be traded or delisted. bolton can be used as bait but may be kept around only because he can run. allan will go. as will probably hunt. other than that maybe rioli because of his age.
keepzitreal
6 Jun 2005, 05:20
Heres what i think we should do
Henno -Has the body type to be a decent backman, if we dont delist him they should keep him in the ressies and only bring him in if our whole backline cant play, similar to Jonathon Robrans role in 2000. Doubt he could pull it off though so f*ck him off if possible
Allan - Goodbye, thanks for helping to cost us the 99 flag
Alvey - Is improving, would like to see him stay at least another year
Bolton- Does good things sometimes, but i think that bump on Cam cloke last year sums up his career. Trade if possible. I think a good trade would be for Paul Kolouritous from Geelong, a good midfielder who cant get a game. Doubt Geelong would do the deal.
Jason Johnson - I dont think he can be a full time on baller. Did he play as a backman back in 00? Wouldnt mind if he was traded if it was a good deal.
Sam Hunt- Give the guy a few games off a half back and lets see what he can do.
Lovett/Lovett Murray - Welcome to the senior list
Justin Murphy - thanks, but no thanks
Rama- I hope he can come back and become the player he used to be
Ted Richards- Let the guy play and lets see what he can do.
Rioli - Hire him a personal trainer, get him right in the best shape they can
Cupido - keep him, give him another year, i think a good preseason this year could spark a change in him
Stanton - his goin well but theres something weird about his game
Hird/Fletcher - If we can rest them for the rest of the year, Id be happy. Anything to avoid them getting injured and being unavailable next year. It may also help rejuvenate them. Plus we could blood more kids. I know this is far fetched, but i wouldnt be against it.
Gameplan - We need one. Why does every other team seem switched on more than we are?
Free Agency - Del Santo, Luke Power, James Kelly, - sign any up, whatever it takes. If you could get more than one even better. Imagine all 3... i can dream.
Longy413
6 Jun 2005, 08:22
so whats your trade strategy for next season?
just ignore it & hope we'll stroll in next years flag with our current list? :rolleyes:
Why should our strategy change now to how it has in the past?
My strategy wouldn't be to get rid of up to 18 players.
What you have to remember is that for the most part, this squad got us to within two kicks of a Prelim final.
From that squad we have lost Rama, Misiti and Wellman. Three pretty big losses. Now I know that they wouldn't have had us competing for a flag this year but we have managed to find some players in the absense, who need games under there belt.
We have some dead wood on the list, but you don't go around slashing 18 players from it because that would do more harm than good. We have two rookies which will be promoted, possibly three in Wilson depending on the strength of the draft. If we look at getting an uncontracted player on the list and James Kelly should be the one we go for, that means we need four spots. We would look at drafting at least 3-4 kids. So we need 7-8 spots freed up on our list. And even that has it's risks in destabilising the club.
Blokes like Haynes, Bullen, Henneman, Richards are treading water. They can go for starters. Allan I dare say would retire. I've been very critical of Hunt in the past, but I think he has improved his game to a point where I actually think he might develop into a handy player (I could be wrong). If Fletcher misses this week then I'd play him.
I think Bolton is under contract, so if he doesn't get traded he has to stay.
I don't think Thomas gives us anything, certainly nothing that Wilson couldn't provide.
There is six names, the other couple of spots I'll reserve judgement for.
At the moment 100% of James Hird's contract is accounted for the in the salary cap. We don't not have any issues in freeing up room.
essendon
6 Jun 2005, 13:42
Should get rid off
Sheedy
R.Shaw
M Harvey
D Wallis
No plan, no structure, cant travel interstate and have not done anything in 4 years to change it. Hate watching us on TV b/c we have no idea and its embarassing on national TV
Need:
New everything, recruiting managers, fitness trainers, assistant coaches and head coach. Club has too much money and players are too comfortable.
Watching Lloyd in the centre for a few minutes on Sat night was laughable and a disgrace considering we only kicked 9 goals. Players are confused and frustrated they wouldn't know where they playing. Some players are just dumb, no einstein to work out who they are, its the same dumbo's each week who cost us, but that wont change unless there is change at the top.
You dont like the message you obviously have no idea yourself and must be soft, time this club makes hard decisions, if not, this will happen for the next 2 years. For all the success we had will be a lasting memory in a few years time
NB. Hope we win this week in Perth then u can bag me for it. If not it may be a 100 plus thrashing.
eastaugh36
6 Jun 2005, 18:30
Should get rid off
Sheedy
R.Shaw
M Harvey
D Wallis
No plan, no structure, cant travel interstate and have not done anything in 4 years to change it. Hate watching us on TV b/c we have no idea and its embarassing on national TV
Need:
New everything, recruiting managers, fitness trainers, assistant coaches and head coach. Club has too much money and players are too comfortable.
Watching Lloyd in the centre for a few minutes on Sat night was laughable and a disgrace considering we only kicked 9 goals. Players are confused and frustrated they wouldn't know where they playing. Some players are just dumb, no einstein to work out who they are, its the same dumbo's each week who cost us, but that wont change unless there is change at the top.
You dont like the message you obviously have no idea yourself and must be soft, time this club makes hard decisions, if not, this will happen for the next 2 years. For all the success we had will be a lasting memory in a few years time
NB. Hope we win this week in Perth then u can bag me for it. If not it may be a 100 plus thrashing.
Typical arm-chair expert. The day our club adopts the philosophy of sacking coaches is the day I hand back my membership. Especially, a coach the like of Sheeds. Start that crap and your club is going down the gurgler.
Yeh a fair call by you i suppose...........but am just not convinced he is going to be a great player...........his speed is good...........his ball acquisition is improving................but his disposal is woeful...........& i have yet to see any improvement in 18 months.................look you could be right or i could be right............only time will tell..............just not convinced that it is unimaginable to offer him up in some trade for a more promising prospect.
PS: is easy to single out one of the names i suggested but what do you think about some of the others i have mentioned that werent on your original list?
The thing with Stants is he is only 19 . He reminds me a lot of Jason Johnson when he started. Yes his disposal is terrible .
The rest of the players you mentioned is a fair call in my opinion. Obviously not all would be offered up but if we are looking to land a big name then they have to be looked at. Would be dissapointed if the offered up JJ , with the amount of work he put in to make it i think he deserves to stay. :D
One of the worst threads of read on this board.
Why , because i mentioned Alvey lol :D
Why should our strategy change now to how it has in the past?
My strategy wouldn't be to get rid of up to 18 players.
What you have to remember is that for the most part, this squad got us to within two kicks of a Prelim final.
From that squad we have lost Rama, Misiti and Wellman. Three pretty big losses. Now I know that they wouldn't have had us competing for a flag this year but we have managed to find some players in the absense, who need games under there belt.
We have some dead wood on the list, but you don't go around slashing 18 players from it because that would do more harm than good. We have two rookies which will be promoted, possibly three in Wilson depending on the strength of the draft. If we look at getting an uncontracted player on the list and James Kelly should be the one we go for, that means we need four spots. We would look at drafting at least 3-4 kids. So we need 7-8 spots freed up on our list. And even that has it's risks in destabilising the club.
Blokes like Haynes, Bullen, Henneman, Richards are treading water. They can go for starters. Allan I dare say would retire. I've been very critical of Hunt in the past, but I think he has improved his game to a point where I actually think he might develop into a handy player (I could be wrong). If Fletcher misses this week then I'd play him.
I think Bolton is under contract, so if he doesn't get traded he has to stay.
I don't think Thomas gives us anything, certainly nothing that Wilson couldn't provide.
There is six names, the other couple of spots I'll reserve judgement for.
At the moment 100% of James Hird's contract is accounted for the in the salary cap. We don't not have any issues in freeing up room.
Look i agree with this but going into a trade period the list needs to be longer. In no way would i belive we should dump just about everyone on Vanda's list but you need a list to start with.
I wouldnt dream of getting rid of JJ or Pev for that matter but then if the deal was good then you have to look.
And i dont want to seem like i am Alvey bashing but he is treading water as well.I hope he keeps improving like he has been but i just dont see it and it is getting to the stage where Monfries and Dyson should be getting a few games in a row :)
Look i agree with this but going into a trade period the list needs to be longer. In no way would i belive we should dump just about everyone on Vanda's list but you need a list to start with.
I wouldnt dream of getting rid of JJ or Pev for that matter but then if the deal was good then you have to look.
And i dont want to seem like i am Alvey bashing but he is treading water as well.I hope he keeps improving like he has been but i just dont see it and it is getting to the stage where Monfries and Dyson should be getting a few games in a row :)
hey just so you & Longy understand..............i am not suggesting we get rid of 18 players................BUT..............merely suggesting that many of the names like JJ & Pev should be considered as possible options for trades.........yes there is a lot of deadwood at our club at the moment that should be cleared/delisted IMO but am not & have not suggested we get rid of 18 players!
7 or 8 players should be cleared out by the end of the year whether that be through trade or delisted.
We have 2 players that need to be promoted from the rookie list at the end of the year and 4 players to pick up in the draft as well as maybe a player or 2 picked up through trade week.
there's alot of deadwood around bigfooty too..
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 11:21
Is there such a thing as living wood?
Lance Uppercut
7 Jun 2005, 11:46
Is there such a thing as living wood?
Tree's? They're alive!
Walsh Bay
7 Jun 2005, 12:59
I'm surprised Bullen didn't come up. I thought he was the goods a while back.
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 13:20
Tree's? They're alive!
You don't build a fence out of tree's.
essendon
7 Jun 2005, 13:21
ii
Higgs Boson
7 Jun 2005, 15:30
You don't build a fence out of tree's.
http://cla.calpoly.edu/~smarx/Journeys/Gettytrip/hedge.JPG
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 15:34
That's a hedge.
Higgs Boson
7 Jun 2005, 15:46
How bout this then?
http://www.class.uidaho.edu/italy2004/ecology_files/hedgerow.jpg
?
It's keeping livestock in ;)
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 15:56
How bout this then?
It's keeping livestock in ;)
A very big hedge.
Lance Uppercut
7 Jun 2005, 16:04
HAHAHAHAHAHA that's hilarious!!!!
I see where you're comin' from Longy - you're saying they don't call it wood until it's "dead" or cut up etc.
Fair call.
But I think Higgs is spot on too - that's definitely a fence!!
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 16:07
HAHAHAHAHAHA that's hilarious!!!!
I see where you're comin' from Longy - you're saying they don't call it wood until it's "dead" or cut up etc.
Fair call.
But I think Higgs is spot on too - that's definitely a fence!!
What do you put in the toaster?
Lance Uppercut
7 Jun 2005, 16:11
yes, bread not toast.
But by the same token, what's a tree trunk made out of?
Daytripper
7 Jun 2005, 16:14
Retire - Allan
Delist - Bullen, Haynes, Henneman, Winderlich, Richards, Watson
Promote - Lovett, NLM & Jolley
Rookie List - Winderlich, Wilson, Watson
Bolton has another year to go so can't be delisted. Winderlich and Watson go back to rookie list for another chance.
That leaves 4 spots available :
Trade one (and one only) of these players for a pick/cap room : Any except for Hird, Lloyd, Lucas, Kepler, Fletch, McPhee, Stants, Hille, Laycock and all the first year players, ie Monfries etc.
Best case scenario. We get 4 players via the National Draft and one player via the PSD.
PSD player must be a midfielder and preferably one of quality.
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 16:15
yes, bread not toast.
But by the same token, what's a tree trunk made out of?
Very good.
Lance Uppercut
7 Jun 2005, 16:15
:)
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 16:17
Winderlich and Watson go back to rookie list for another chance.
I like your thinking, but I don't think either of them would get through to the rookie draft. Both would be picked up well before.
I think they both have a role to play in our best 22.
Daytripper
7 Jun 2005, 16:56
My 1000th post and didn't even realise it.
At least I did it on the Essendon board. :D
eastaugh36
7 Jun 2005, 17:28
Retire - Allan
Delist - Bullen, Haynes, Henneman, Winderlich, Richards, Watson
Promote - Lovett, NLM & Jolley
Rookie List - Winderlich, Wilson, Watson
Bolton has another year to go so can't be delisted. Winderlich and Watson go back to rookie list for another chance.
That leaves 4 spots available :
Trade one (and one only) of these players for a pick/cap room : Any except for Hird, Lloyd, Lucas, Kepler, Fletch, McPhee, Stants, Hille, Laycock and all the first year players, ie Monfries etc.
Best case scenario. We get 4 players via the National Draft and one player via the PSD.
PSD player must be a midfielder and preferably one of quality.
Agree re: delisting of Bullen,Haynes,Henneman but think other clubs might be interested in Winderlich and Richards so they could be used as trade bait, must keep Watson as I think he'll make it. Wilson is unable to be re-rookied.
diamond8
7 Jun 2005, 17:35
I don't think I've seen the name Tristan Cartledge in this thread.
Thoughts?
eastaugh36
7 Jun 2005, 17:44
I don't think I've seen the name Tristan Cartledge in this thread.
Thoughts?
Keep.
NAME NUMBER HEIGHT WEIGHT BIRTHDATE
Allan, Matthew 27 199 cm 104 kg 26/2/1975
Alvey, Mark 15 176 cm 77 kg 10/6/1980
Bolton, Mark 23 193 cm 90 kg 3/4/1979
Bradley, Kepler 16 195 cm 98 kg 13/11/1985
Bullen, Marc 37 187 cm 85 kg 12/7/1982
Cartledge, Tristan 22 200 cm 95 kg 11/6/1985
Cupido, Damian 13 184 cm 90 kg 11/3/1982
Dyson, Ricky 2 181 cm 80 kg 28/9/1985
Fletcher, Dustin 31 196 cm 101 kg 7/5/1975
Haynes, Ben 39 182 cm 83 kg 27/6/1981
Henneman, Aaron 3 194 cm 99 kg 13/12/1980
Hille, David 19 199 cm 109 kg 2/6/1981
Hird, James 5 188 cm 89 kg 4/2/1973
Hunt, Sam 30 193 cm 90 kg 13/4/1983
Johns, Courtney 21 192 cm 92 kg 14/11/1984
Johnson, Jason 14 179 cm 86 kg 25/1/1978
Johnson, Mark 1 179 cm 83 kg 23/5/1978
Laycock, Jason 26 200 cm 100 kg 4/11/1984
Lee, Andrew 32 195 cm 89 kg 1/7/1986
Lloyd, Matthew 18 192 cm 92 kg 16/4/1978
Lovett, Andrew 41 181 cm 73 kg 11/11/1982
Lovett-Murray, Nathan 42 190 cm 84 kg 18/11/1982
Lucas, Scott 25 193 cm 97 kg 30/12/1977
McPhee, Adam 33 189 cm 89 kg 6/10/1982
McVeigh, Mark 10 184 cm 84 kg 26/1/1981
Monfries, Angus 6 181 cm 70 kg 19/1/1987
Murphy, Justin 28 185 cm 85 kg 24/4/1976
Nash, Jay 38 187 cm 83 kg 21/12/1985
Peverill, Damien 11 186 cm 83 kg 12/7/1979
Ramanauskas, Adam 9 182 cm 81 kg 19/11/1980
Reynolds, Joel 29 187 cm 80 kg 5/6/1984
Richards, Ted 20 194 cm 96 kg 11/1/1983
Rioli, Dean 43 179 cm 95 kg 20/5/1978
Slattery, Henry 34 183 cm 81 kg 22/1/1986
Solomon, Dean 7 188 cm 99 kg 9/1/1980
Stanton, Brent 24 181 cm 76 kg 1/5/1986
Thomas, Paul 17 182 cm 80 kg 6/5/1982
Watson, Jobe 4 194 cm 94 kg 8/2/1985
Welsh, Andrew 12 188 cm 84 kg 11/2/1983
Winderlich, Jason 8 188 cm 79 kg 10/10/1984
Zantuck, Ty 36 188 cm 93 kg 15/2/1982
Fair to say the spots of the players in bold will be re-evaluated at the end of the year, still 11 games to go so things could change but to have around 11 players on the list under cloud in regards to their future on the list is a pretty large anount but abit of a cleanout is probably over due and one that is needed i think.
im not saying 11 players should be gone but around 5 - 8.
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 18:29
I don't think I've seen the name Tristan Cartledge in this thread.
Thoughts?
Will be the best player from that draft. Better than Laycock.
He has all the raw requirements to be a quality ruckman, just needs experience and body strength.
Has been very impressive in the VFL this season, has definately taken a step from last year. He's probably still two years away from playing regular senior footy, but he was taken very young so you expect that.
Wilson is unable to be re-rookied.
He can be re-rookied, but we have to redraft him. We can't just retain him on the list, unless of course we promote him.
Will be the best player from that draft. Better than Laycock.
He has all the raw requirements to be a quality ruckman, just needs experience and body strength.
Has been very impressive in the VFL this season, has definately taken a step from last year. He's probably still two years away from playing regular senior footy, but he was taken very young so you expect that.
He can be re-rookied, but we have to redraft him. We can't just retain him on the list, unless of course we promote him.
Cartledge will be the better ruckman but laycock will have him covered as a footballer. Tristen moves well but has no gaol sense and looks lost up forward. Out of Chook and tristen only one of them has the potential to tear a game apart.
Longy413
7 Jun 2005, 20:31
Cartledge will be the better ruckman but laycock will have him covered as a footballer. Tristen moves well but has no gaol sense and looks lost up forward. Out of Chook and tristen only one of them has the potential to tear a game apart.
Out of the two, Tristan will be the one who will have the ability to truely dominate the one position. Laycock will always be between the two positions.
I agree that Laycock has the ability to be a match winner and turn a match, but Cartledge will develop into the type of player that dominates a position for four quarters.
He has looked better up forward this season as compared to previous, can also play down back if required. Cartledge just looks a very good pure ruckman.
Out of the two, Tristan will be the one who will have the ability to truely dominate the one position. Laycock will always be between the two positions.
I agree that Laycock has the ability to be a match winner and turn a match, but Cartledge will develop into the type of player that dominates a position for four quarters.
He has looked better up forward this season as compared to previous, can also play down back if required. Cartledge just looks a very good pure ruckman.
Laycock will be a brendon gale type footballer. Ruckman height but more of a natural forward, he might develop into a star ruckman later on. No doubt in terms of ruck ability and technique Cartledge is a class above.
Darealrath
7 Jun 2005, 20:47
Hille has been fantastic since he came back, and Laycock has been very promising. You'd think that if Cartledge were to get much senior match time over the next few years, as the other 2 are both quite young, that Laycock will have to be pretty much a permanent forward.
Longy413
8 Jun 2005, 09:10
Hille has been fantastic since he came back, and Laycock has been very promising. You'd think that if Cartledge were to get much senior match time over the next few years, as the other 2 are both quite young, that Laycock will have to be pretty much a permanent forward.
We can definately play all three at once in the same way we played Somerville, Madden and Salmon together.
Laycock and Hille have both proven that they can be dangerous forwards. Hille is actually pretty good leading from the goal square and I think Laycock has always been earmarked as a forward who can play in the ruck, rather than the other way around. By the time Cartledge has matured into a quality AFL ruckman, Lloyd and Lucas will be pushing 30.
Look i agree with this but going into a trade period the list needs to be longer. In no way would i belive we should dump just about everyone on Vanda's list but you need a list to start with.
I wouldnt dream of getting rid of JJ or Pev for that matter but then if the deal was good then you have to look.
I dunno about JJ, i think he's a top priority to stay and build a midfield around him. Pev on the other hand unfortunately I feel he's given as much as he can give to the bombers and it maybe a time to look at trading him while he's worth something. As much as that hurts to say.
He's got a huge heart and always busts his butt but so does JJ, and after you place Hird, McVeigh, or any of our midfeilders, we have a team full of gut busting midfeilders with no real silky skills (Hird excluded). In the end we'll continually get thrashed in the middle with sides who have a mixture of skill, speed and strength when all we can really match them with is strength and occassionally skill when Hird and JJ take their turn.
Diamond_Joe
8 Jun 2005, 15:25
I dunno about JJ, i think he's a top priority to stay and build a midfield around him. Pev on the other hand unfortunately I feel he's given as much as he can give to the bombers and it maybe a time to look at trading him while he's worth something. As much as that hurts to say
Gotta defend the pev here, due to poor midfield recruiting he has been given the job of being a ball getting midfeilder. When he burst on the scene, he was a stopper, pure and simple. He needs to get back to those days but cant as we have no other options in the midfield. He hasnt got the classy skill of a simon black for example, but is it really his fault he is being played out of position? Much like ramma, pure wingman, not a back pocket player. We need 3-4 midfielders who can be the ball winners while the pev goes back to being his true calling, a stopper.
My thoughts in no particular order:
I couldnt see us getting much for Peverill.
Look likes Collingwood stiffed us by getting Rusling before we got to him (hopefully Lee makes good of his atheletic gifts because thats who we got instead).
Keep Sheedy he will bring us up again. I remember in 92 i thought it was all over and then up popped a premiership in 93. Also remember watching us get caned at Subi in early 99 by the Eagles, absolutely flogged and then the season turned around and a flag followed in 2000, with a bit of luck could have been three in a row.
The prospect of losing Hird is daunting for me and this is stating the obvious, even a number 1 draft pick will most likely not help replace perhaps the greatest player in the greatest clubs history. Nevertheless i would like us to chase a tall midfielder who runs hard all day in the Hird, Embley, Waite mould who can take a good grab and put some damage on the scoreboard as well.
Prefer to Keep But Possible Trade Bait:
Ramanauskas
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Is this a dilemma for you guys? You keep him because of his past and because of what seems to be the right thing to do.
Or is he good enough (still good enough) to be put in a "prefer to keep but possible trade bait" category - does he have trade currency?
Longy413
8 Jun 2005, 16:55
Is this a dilemma for you guys? You keep him because of his past and because of what seems to be the right thing to do.
Or is he good enough (still good enough) to be put in a "prefer to keep but possible trade bait" category - does he have trade currency?
It's no dilemma. We keep him.
No one would trade for him, but he would get picked up in the draft if he was delisted. It's to big a risk to trade for him, unless he was part of a bigger deal.
The fact is we need Rama back at his best, quick midfielder, that can play inside and outside with great foot skills.
The only way we are going to know if he is still good enough after all he has been through is to play him when he comes back.
Something tells me, that for a bloke with his sort of character he will come back from it and play good footy.
Bombers41
12 Jun 2005, 22:22
Three things i disagree with when people say
Trade J Johnson what are you crazy he is so underatted , i know he gets alot of possesions and doesnt do much with them but he is puts alot of tackles on atleast he is getting the ball and not making mistakes with it either.
Stanton nothing wrong with he's game, will develop into a god player at Essendon long carrer ahead of him.
Leave Sheedy and the ccoaching staff alone doing more than fine if you ask me. How could they possible not have a game plan, whaat do they say to the palyers before the game "ohh yer just go out there and do whatever".
Please be realistic people.
Ohh and a high profile midfeilder would be great it wont be the savier of the club IMO, which is debatable. Also they will never came, players stay loyal to their clubs and only leave if they either want to return home or have been left out by club in future plans. Woudl be to much pressure too preform, I would go with building youngsters.