ACC>AGS>APS

[demondavey]

It is true, where would aps be without money?

[hodgey111]

where did aussie rules start buddy?

[demondavey]

where did aussie rules start buddy?
Yeah your point, does that make the APS the superior competition in 2005? NO

[meat cleaver]

fact is mate the APS actually produce decent footy players when they get to the AFL. Goddard, Ball, Judd are only testament to the fact that APS footy is the premier league for any budding footy star- mate weve already got AFL players in Raso at Haileybury and im suremany will be picked up this year. I dont know the kind of players the AGS and ACC produce when they get to the AFL because i simply havent heard of any. No doubt APS is the premier school boy footy comp in Oz.

[The Shev]

From my ex-school alone (ACC), the likes of Llyod, Lucas, Swan, Bentick, Iacobucci, Cartledge and Jolley are current players. And there have been many more over the years.

[jimbo1]

The A.P.S is far the best school boy football competition going around! the A.P.S is the superior competition not just in 05 but every year, there have been so many good footballers that are playing A.F.L now and are on clubs lists at the moment. This year there will be alot of plays drafted that are playing in the A.P.S competition this year, I can assure you of that!

[Joffe]

what do they all stand for?

[Deegle]

ACC= Associated Catholic Colleges
Dunno the rest

[tarrant]

ACC have produced more AFl players than anyother school league....

[dilz]

fact is mate the APS actually produce decent footy players when they get to the AFL. Goddard, Ball, Judd are only testament to the fact that APS footy is the premier league for any budding footy star- mate weve already got AFL players in Raso at Haileybury and im suremany will be picked up this year. I dont know the kind of players the AGS and ACC produce when they get to the AFL because i simply havent heard of any. No doubt APS is the premier school boy footy comp in Oz.
APS dont produce, they poach
goddard from country, judd poached, ball went to x on his on will so ill give u that
u name other players u have 'produced' in the past 3 years

[davo4030]

Campbell Brown, Ted Richards, Ryan O'Keefe, McQualter, Fergus Watts, Daniel Jackson. I refer you to http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?t=174766

The APS is the strongest school competition around. The AGS just doesn't have the depth and neither does the ACC, they are both second rate competitions. The APS is the one and only top rate competition in Australia and if you are so naiive to think that your competition is better then the APS then you've got problems.

[meat cleaver]

you can add Will Slade, Charlie Gardiner, Tim Callan, Luke Balls brother (forget his name) to that list of APS footy players and there are undoubtedly many more. By the way the ACC dont produce decent players anyway, they are decent enough as it is when they get to that school, you cant try and tell anyone that a school 'produces' good footy players because a school is about education and not footy- so who cares if the APS 'poached' goddard and judd, they are just getting a decent education anyway. by the way APS = Associated Public Schools and AGS = Associated Grammar Schools

[hahaha]

Stats show ACC produces more AFL players then any other school footy comp in Australia.

St.Bernards alone would have produced 50 in the last 10 years.

[jimbo1]

Stats show ACC produces more AFL players then any other school footy comp in Australia.

St.Bernards alone would have produced 50 in the last 10 years.

thats a big comment you have just made, Produce some of these so called stats... Players? Are you saying St.Bernards have produced 50 AFL Footballers in the last 10 years?

[Pepi]

The APS is massively over rated.
St Josephs Geelong which is in the ACC has Ling, Bartel and Scarlett all at Geelong who would be in Geelong's top 5 players
There are then the likes of Joel Reynolds and Nick Maxwell who also went to St Josephs so there are 5 current AFL players from one ACC team

[Cats fan 16]

Being a St Joseph Geelong player in the ACC. I would rate the comp a far higher standard than the APS. We were a middle of the range team this year, winning 2 out of 6 games, which is probably the same as Geelong College in the APS. But i no for a fact that our St Joeys team, who is mid range in the ACC, would pump Geelong College by over 100 points, who are mid range in the APS. Our Joeys team has 13 players on the Falcons list, while College have 4 players on the Falcons list. We also have Danny Stanley (all Australian) and Shaun Higgins who will both be drafted this year, and we only managed 2 wins out of 6. That shows the strength of the comp.

[headovathepill]

Being a St Joseph Geelong player in the ACC. I would rate the comp a far higher standard than the APS. We were a middle of the range team this year, winning 2 out of 6 games, which is probably the same as Geelong College in the APS. But i no for a fact that our St Joeys team, who is mid range in the ACC, would pump Geelong College by over 100 points, who are mid range in the APS. Our Joeys team has 13 players on the Falcons list, while College have 4 players on the Falcons list. We also have Danny Stanley (all Australian) and Shaun Higgins who will both be drafted this year, and we only managed 2 wins out of 6. That shows the strength of the comp.

That doesn't show how good u are it just shows how weak your school is. Joeys used to have such a proud tradition but now they could not give a stuff about playing footy just indevidual success.
APS footy is so healthy it doesn't even bother with a Medibank card.
The best school boy comp in Australia. Hands down

[tarrant]

Being a St Joseph Geelong player in the ACC. I would rate the comp a far higher standard than the APS. We were a middle of the range team this year, winning 2 out of 6 games, which is probably the same as Geelong College in the APS. But i no for a fact that our St Joeys team, who is mid range in the ACC, would pump Geelong College by over 100 points, who are mid range in the APS. Our Joeys team has 13 players on the Falcons list, while College have 4 players on the Falcons list. We also have Danny Stanley (all Australian) and Shaun Higgins who will both be drafted this year, and we only managed 2 wins out of 6. That shows the strength of the comp.

didnt parade beat u guys?...

dont be surprised if parade win on wed

[superstar_09]

There have been over 100 VFL/AFL footballers from Xavier.
Jarryd Moore, Anthony Raso and Rowan Nayna were all drafted last year. All attended Haileybury. 3 draftees in one year from one school. Just an example of the strength of the APS. All schools in the APS have produced quality players.

[meat cleaver]

youve summed it up brilliantly superstar- and if we are talking about 'producing' players than Geelong Grammar can claim Joel Reynolds as he went here for a few years when he was younger.

[headovathepill]

I happen to know joel quite well and he did not enjoy St Josephs when he went there at all. Infact he prefered Belmont High over Joeys. It would be good to see him take the next step and not be so soft or timid in the big league.

Carn the APS

[jimbo1]

Being a St Joseph Geelong player in the ACC. I would rate the comp a far higher standard than the APS. We were a middle of the range team this year, winning 2 out of 6 games, which is probably the same as Geelong College in the APS. But i no for a fact that our St Joeys team, who is mid range in the ACC, would pump Geelong College by over 100 points, who are mid range in the APS. Our Joeys team has 13 players on the Falcons list, while College have 4 players on the Falcons list. We also have Danny Stanley (all Australian) and Shaun Higgins who will both be drafted this year, and we only managed 2 wins out of 6. That shows the strength of the comp.

Yeah you might beat geelong college who have a very good side this year by the way but.. any team above geelong college on the A.P.S ladder this year you would struggle to beat them without a doubt so in this case you would be a middle of the range side... What is the ACC anyway? What teams are in it?

[kriles76]

thats a big comment you have just made, Produce some of these so called stats... Players? Are you saying St.Bernards have produced 50 AFL Footballers in the last 10 years?

http://www.acc.melb.catholic.edu.au/include/HallofFame.pdf

[rosejam]

http://www.acc.melb.catholic.edu.au/include/HallofFame.pdf

so where in that file are the 50 players from 1 school in the last 10 years?

[Koutafindamedes]

APS is by far the premier competition.Judd Goddard Walker McQualter and Garrubba all attended Caulfield in the last five years.

[superstar_09]

http://www.acc.melb.catholic.edu.au/include/HallofFame.pdf

That is a very impressive list but i doubt the overall strength of the ACC competetion would match the APS. The APS contains a lot of TAC and a some schools there are Metro U/16 playrs missing out on games.

[Cats fan 16]

How many teams in the APS have 13 TAC players or more like Joeys? Wouldnt be too many.

[godees]

Judd wasn't poached from anywhere. I know someone who played against Caufield in year 7 and 8 and Judd absoluted dominated.

[footystar]

Hailybury has more then 10 probably about 15. And alot of the Aps schools are in regions where the TAC teams can only pick a limited number of APS boys because when the school season starts they wouldn't have enough to field a team, Sandy Dragons only picked about 15 Private School boys so the rest had to come from public schools and ACC schools etc. which alows kids to play TAC all year

[meat cleaver]

oi catsfan16, you may ask how many schools have 13 TAC cup players, and for one ahileybury have many more than that. but first and foremost the answer is how many of those boys actually play for joeys. you blokes have said it yourselves no one bothers playing ACC. its all well and good having 13 TAC cup players, and congrats on that- but it dont mean ********e all if they dont play for you and it certainly wont win you a Herlad Sun shield, let alone a spot in the Premier League of schoolboy footy, THE APS

[jimbo1]

How many teams in the APS have 13 TAC players or more like Joeys? Wouldnt be too many.

How often do those boys play for the school joeys? in the so called ACC

[Cats fan 16]

Ok ill change my argument. If ACC was compulsory for players to play in like APS is, it would be a better competition. That might be the only reason why APS is better, because it has priority over TAC and players have to play, unlike ACC where its not compulsory to play.

[demondavey]

How often do those boys play for the school joeys? in the so called ACC
What do you mean so called ACC? Its the name of the comp u fool

[davo4030]

AGSV is a joke compared to other good school footy competitions, such as the APS.

With schools such as Trinity, you have to question where they got the idea to put such a second rate school, full of the biggest ****************s around, into their competition. Trinity is a school based around hedge burning and butt fu<king.

I feel sorry for other AGSV schools who have to play against a sh it school and football team.

[evfenton78]

Technically you could argue the VSSSA are the best school football association.

1. The VSSSA have over 200 schools in Victoria so weight of numbers mean they have the most school footballers who go on to play AFL.

2. More TAC Cup players attend VSSSA schools than APS, AGS or ACC.

3. If the VSSSA best 20 players played against APS, AGS or ACC then who would win?

[Skevies]

Technically you could argue the VSSSA are the best school football association.

1. The VSSSA have over 200 schools in Victoria so weight of numbers mean they have the most school footballers who go on to play AFL.

2. More TAC Cup players attend VSSSA schools than APS, AGS or ACC.

3. If the VSSSA best 20 players played against APS, AGS or ACC then who would win?
Actually rong mate, havinfg attended a public school up until year 10 i would have to say that the competiton in the private school system is ten times harder than that of a school in the public schools and just because they have over 200 schools doesnt mean they are better. Haileybury have 17 players playin tac cup and scotch have quite a few aswell, as do caulfield and skevies

[hahaha]

What has been the record in the APS v AGS games in the past?

Who has been the more dominant competition, and do people think is a good indication of the competitions, as in are the best players selected?

[m.diddy]

Xavier has had over 100 go onto AFl probably more than the AGS or ACC have ever had.

[m.diddy]

obviously they dont poach academics in the aps just the ones who can kick a footy.
Actually champ most APS schools are in the top 5-10% of schools in the state.

[demondavey]

Actually champ most APS schools are in the top 5-10% of schools in the state.
Because they kick people out after Year 10 if there grades are not up to scratch.

[m.diddy]

Because they kick people out after Year 10 if there grades are not up to scratch.
Never heard of that, however where do they end up? The public school system?

[demondavey]

Never heard of that, however where do they end up? The public school system?
Usually yeah.

[aps_statsman]

Technically you could argue the VSSSA are the best school football association.

1. The VSSSA have over 200 schools in Victoria so weight of numbers mean they have the most school footballers who go on to play AFL.

2. More TAC Cup players attend VSSSA schools than APS, AGS or ACC.

3. If the VSSSA best 20 players played against APS, AGS or ACC then who would win?
The VSSSA (Victorian Secondary Schools Sporting Association) organises and runs the State level competitions for ALL sports in Victoria. It's membership is from ALL schools in Victoria including the APS, AGSV, ACC and EIS to mention a few. In terms of football, the TAC clubs run on behalf of the VSSSA the football program in Victoria. Check http://www.isport.com.au/schools/vsssa/

School Associations like the APS, AGSV and ACC have formed to provide the participating schools with the ability to fixture Summer and Winter sports at a high level over 2 terms each every year. The school associations usually have around 10-12 members each.

The following associations have these schools;

Association of Catholic Colleges (ACC);

CBC, St. Kilda
De La Salle College, Malvern
Mazenod College, Mulgrave
Parade College, Bundoora
St. Bede's College, Mentone
St. Bernard's College, Essendon
St. Joseph's College, Geelong
St. Joseph's College, Melbourne
St. Paul's College, Altona North
Salesian College, Chadstone
Samaritan College, Preston
Simonds College, West Melbourne
Whitefriars College, Donvale

Associated Grammar Schools of Victoria (AGSV);

Assumption College, Kilmore
Camberwell Grammar School
Ivanhoe Grammar School
Marcellin College
Mentone Grammar
Penleigh & Essendon Grammar School
The Peninsula School
Trinity Grammar School
Yarra Valley Grammar

Associated Public Schools (APS);

Brighton Grammar, Brighton
Carey Grammar
Caulfield Grammar
Geelong College, Newtown
Geelong Grammar
Haileybury College
Melbourne Grammar
Scotch College
St. Kevin's College, Toorak
Wesley College
Xavier College

If you check the team lists on the TAC Cup web site http://taccup.footballvictoria.com.au/?s=clubs you will see that most boys that play TAC Cup attend school at either APS, AGSV or ACC schools.

The VSSSA best 40 players will be named shortly to represent both the Vic Country and Vic Metro in the upcomming U/18 Australian Football Championships. You will be able to see how many of these boys are from the APS, AGSV or ACC when the lists have been finalised.

Schools in APS, AGSV & ACC are deemed "Private Schools" or "Independant Schools". The term public refers to State owned and operated schools. The word "Public" in APS misleading.

[aps_statsman]

I have the following APS boys playing TAC Cup so far. Can you help me add the missing names to my list.

Haileybury College (13); BECKWITH, BROWN, COMBEN, FLEMING, HELLIER, MAGNER, MCKILLOP, MURRAY, PLYMIN, REBESCHINI, SACCUZZO, SALTER, TUNIK
St. Kevin's College (1); CAIN
The Geelong College (4); BANJANIN, CORDY, ROCKEFELLER, TURNER
Wesley College (1); WATTS
Caulfield Grammar (0)
Geelong Grammar (0)

AIS boys;

Caulfield (1); Eddy

Can anyone provide the AGSV and ACC list?

[superstar_09]

I have the following APS boys playing TAC Cup so far. Can you help me add the missing names to my list.

Haileybury College (13); BECKWITH, BROWN, COMBEN, FLEMING, HELLIER, MAGNER, MCKILLOP, MURRAY, PLYMIN, REBESCHINI, SACCUZZO, SALTER, TUNIK
St. Kevin's College (1); CAIN
The Geelong College (4); BANJANIN, CORDY, ROCKEFELLER, TURNER
Wesley College (1); WATTS
Caulfield Grammar (0)
Geelong Grammar (0)

AIS boys;

Caulfield (1); Eddy

Can anyone provide the AGSV and ACC list?

Also at Haileybury Driscoll (Stingrays) while Raso is with Carlton

[jimbo1]

What do you mean so called ACC? Its the name of the comp u fool

Comp! Mate, The ACC doesn't even come close to the comp that the APS is and if you had any kind of brains you would know that! It’s common knowledge

[jimmy12]

I have the following APS boys playing TAC Cup so far. Can you help me add the missing names to my list.

Haileybury College (13); BECKWITH, BROWN, COMBEN, FLEMING, HELLIER, MAGNER, MCKILLOP, MURRAY, PLYMIN, REBESCHINI, SACCUZZO, SALTER, TUNIK
St. Kevin's College (1); CAIN
The Geelong College (4); BANJANIN, CORDY, ROCKEFELLER, TURNER
Wesley College (1); WATTS
Caulfield Grammar (0)
Geelong Grammar (0)

AIS boys;

Caulfield (1); Eddy

Can anyone provide the AGSV and ACC list?

Eddy plays tac cup for Gippsland
Ellis (melb) tac cup for Gippsland

[demondavey]

How Matt Tunik got a gig with Oakleigh is beyond me. Played state with him in 2003 and he is puss.

[SCARD]

Because they kick people out after Year 10 if there grades are not up to scratch.
Most APS Schools do not do this. Check your facts.

[hahaha]

Can I just ask why all APS schools continue to knock back the opportunity to play in the Herald Sun Shield?

Has there been a reason for it?

[meat cleaver]

the teams of the vic metro and country can not be an accurate rep. of the top level of footy players if they do not include AGS and APS players simply for the reason that such players are unable to play TAC due to school regulations. Obviously many of the boys that play AGS and APS could play rep. footy, but due to their commitment to school can not.

[Skevies]

How Matt Tunik got a gig with Oakleigh is beyond me. Played state with him in 2003 and he is puss.
I play chargers with Tunik and he aint puss mate, he's a great bloke and a darn good footy player when he wants to be. Whoever u r are obviously jeaous because u probably got cut from ur respective TAC Cup team. He would of played round 3,4 and 5 due to good form, but tore all the ligaments in his ankle. So dont talk ******** mate when ya havent seen him play in over 2 years.

[demondavey]

I play chargers with Tunik and he aint puss mate, he's a great bloke and a darn good footy player when he wants to be. Whoever u r are obviously jeaous because u probably got cut from ur respective TAC Cup team. He would of played round 3,4 and 5 due to good form, but tore all the ligaments in his ankle. So dont talk ******** mate when ya havent seen him play in over 2 years.
Are you sure about that champ? Maybe you should get your facts right

[Skevies]

Are you sure about that champ? Maybe you should get your facts right
Yeh i am dead set sure that my facts are right, hes a good player, great bloke and every down there loves him to bits, so just lay off and get back to the real topic.

The order of best competition goes APS equal with ACC and Ags along way behind!!!!!!!!

[demondavey]

Yeh i am dead set sure that my facts are right, hes a good player, great bloke and every down there loves him to bits, so just lay off and get back to the real topic.

The order of best competition goes APS equal with ACC and Ags along way behind!!!!!!!!
Sily making comments when you have no idea about me, I know for a fact not everyone loves him to bit at Chargers and I am nearly 90% sure he wouldnt have had a game if he wasnt injured.

[SCARD]

How Matt Tunik got a gig with Oakleigh is beyond me. Played state with him in 2003 and he is puss.
Are you for real Demon Davey? Your year of birth is shown as 1980 but you reckon you played state with Matt in 2003. Bit of a contradiction here. Which statement is true, if either?

[Tim the Toolman]

Taken from "The Whole Australian Football Catalogue" G. Hutchinson & J. Ross 2001.

The footy nursery: Assumption College. Just north of Melbourne over the Great Dividing Range is Kilmore, Victoria's oldest inland town. And just outside Kilmore is Assumption College, football's greatest nursery. Assumption is the private school no other wants to play, losing only a handful of games since admission to the Associated Grammar Schools' football competition in 1959. Among many great players to have come out of Assumption are Francis Bourke, Peter Keenan, Brendan Edwards, Laurie Serafini, Peter Crimmins and Bernie McCarthy. Assumption's Brothers perennially produce tough, skilled and fiercely competitive players.

I think you'll find ACK. part of the AGS, has produced a higher quotient of VFL/AFL players per capita then any other school. And before you 'public' school boys start bemoaning scholarships etc... you will note that ACK does not give scholarships to budding footballers however, at the time I went there, ACK was the cheapest boarding school in Australia hence the large proportion of country kids from northern Vic & The Riverina who were footy guns. It was that case since the 50's when ACK was producing VFL players by the dozen and started earning its reputation as "The Footy Nursery."

[Chelt_Eagle]

Are you for real Demon Davey? Your year of birth is shown as 1980 but you reckon you played state with Matt in 2003. Bit of a contradiction here. Which statement is true, if either?
Mate, 75% of people dont put the correct birthdate on their profile. I think davey is one of them.

[demondavey]

I play chargers with Tunik and he aint puss mate, he's a great bloke and a darn good footy player when he wants to be. Whoever u r are obviously jeaous because u probably got cut from ur respective TAC Cup team. He would of played round 3,4 and 5 due to good form, but tore all the ligaments in his ankle. So dont talk ******** mate when ya havent seen him play in over 2 years.
Mmmmm Tunik did alot today didn't he?

[Skevies]

Mmmmm Tunik did alot today didn't he?

Demon davey u r an idiot, Matt cant play footy at the moment cause he tore the ligaments in his anle and the scar tissue didnt repair properly so he has to have ultra sounds every tuesday and thursday. He hasnt played for 6 weeks so demon davey u r full of ******** and u r a complete ********er!!!!
wrecked

[Mr.AFL]

I think you lads need to just step back a second and take a look outside your own competition.

I must admit i went through the APS system...i attended 2 of the schools within it. All competitions have some very talented young players...some are already penciled in for an AFL berth, some are yet to be noticed by scouts.

APS isnt necessarily a better competition, however a lot of players from all schools (more so from Haileybury because Lynchy is reknown for handing out scholarships...) do go on to be drafted. All schools...Brighton, Caulfield, Xavier, St.Kevins, Geelongs etc etc offer scholarships to further education primarily, and if grades arent up to scratch they get the flick. Hence my reason for going to 2 APS schools. It makes me sound like a dumbass, but i just didnt care about my education, i just wanted to play sport!

ACC and AIS and AGS are decent enough competitions, however the pressure to play for their respective teams from the school isnt as drastic as the APS schools and boys that i know (who attend Mentone GS) are excellent footballers, however play rugby because they just want to play for their club side on a weekend. Boys who are at APS schools are forced to play their best sports, not their favourites....premierships in APS mean big $$$'s for schools.

So i guess you could say APS isnt necessarily stronger, its just that the $$$'s involved and the lengths that schools go to find players makes it the most "focused on" schoolboy competition in Victoria. A lot of boys in APS do get mentioned in the media for their TAC Cup duties too...so again its just more exposure for the APS.