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wow what a movie
best film of the year for sure, i really cant see anything beating it
great actors picked for the roles
everything was just perfect
and bale was superb as batman
Was looking forward to seeing this tomorrow...
But apparently I've picked up German measles and have to stay isolated... :eek:
Will see it ASAP, and look forward to it restoring respectability to the Batman franchise.
Bale is brilliant in anything he does.
Sensational movie. We've finally got a decent Batman movie.
It's an action movie with some great touches of drama, suspense and horror thrown in. The fight scenes are full on and its good to see Bruce/Bats get a few hidings early before he starts dishing them out.
There is also a very sharp, dry and at times smart arse sense of humour in the film. Mainly from Alfred, but Wayne and Fox also get in on it too.
There are some nifty twists and turns throughout the film and you can see there are some great moments staright from the books. It's got touches of some of the great Batman writers - Denny O'Neil, Frank Miller and Jeph Loeb.
So many great scenes - His parents death, entering the League of Shadows, the attack of the bats (loved it in Year One nice to see it here) and the end of the film to name a few.
The really great part is that they got the characters spot on. The entire cast is perfect. Bale is the best Batman ever. It was great to see the developing friendship between Gordon and Bats. Caine, Freeman and Holmes are excellent and Liam Neeson...is a complete bastard. He's great fun.
You could draw a few comparisons to the 1989 Batman movie and Spider Man but this is something else again. It's a different animal compared to any other comic book film.
Go and see this film!
Black JuJu
17 Jun 2005, 00:49
Great to hear some good reviews for this one, 1989's Batman is a great movie, but it was down hill from there so a fresh start with this one will be great.
I've heard Scarecrow is the villian in this one? Is he used well or tagged onto the film?
If you love the movie, make sure you buy the merchandise. ;)
bluechampion
17 Jun 2005, 11:58
So very, very good.
Swifty_446
17 Jun 2005, 13:26
Yeah, great, another comic book movie, only the 36th this year!
Can't movie makers kick start their brains into making something original for once?
Mattlowry
17 Jun 2005, 13:36
Great to hear some good reviews for this one, 1989's Batman is a great movie, but it was down hill from there so a fresh start with this one will be great.
I've heard Scarecrow is the villian in this one? Is he used well or tagged onto the film?
Its hard to talk about it without ruining it so i suggest you just go see the movie. I saw it last night and wow.. Was very very very good and i'm glad i saw it over Mr and Mrs Smith. Bale was awesome so was Freeman. I had my doubts over whether Caine would do a good job as Alfred but he kicked ass. His one liners were awesome.
Best. Batman. Ever
Swifty_446
17 Jun 2005, 13:49
Its hard to talk about it without ruining it so i suggest you just go see the movie. I saw it last night and wow.. Was very very very good and i'm glad i saw it over Mr and Mrs Smith. Bale was awesome so was Freeman. I had my doubts over whether Caine would do a good job as Alfred but he kicked ass. His one liners were awesome.
Best. Batman. Ever
Ruining it? It's as predictable as the sun rising......bad guy does something wrong, batman saves the day, there's just different villains and sets.
How can people keep falling for this garbage? Are you all 8 years old?
ManWithNoName
17 Jun 2005, 14:12
Ruining it? It's as predictable as the sun rising......bad guy does something wrong, batman saves the day, there's just different villains and sets.
How can people keep falling for this garbage? Are you all 8 years old?
Someones parents didn't buy him a Batman toy.
Swifty_446
17 Jun 2005, 14:17
Someones parents didn't buy him a Batman toy.
Hilarious!
Anyone who nominates Batman as movie of the year probably has a Batman doona cover, and a Batman drink bottle to take to work.
There would be 1000 movies made this year better than Batman, and the other movies have plots and scripts too! Amazing!
Very lame individuals, very lame.
Darealrath
17 Jun 2005, 14:34
Anyone who nominates Batman as movie of the year probably has a Batman doona cover, and a Batman drink bottle to take to work.
Well that's a load of garbage. I have never read a batman comic and have only seen 2 previous batman movies and thought they were both rubbish.
This was an excellent movie.
NorthBhoy
17 Jun 2005, 14:40
Tim Burton's Batman movies kicked arse. The other two were absolute stinking piled of turgid extrement.
Hope this one is ok.
bluechampion
17 Jun 2005, 14:41
Hilarious!
Anyone who nominates Batman as movie of the year probably has a Batman doona cover, and a Batman drink bottle to take to work.
There would be 1000 movies made this year better than Batman, and the other movies have plots and scripts too! Amazing!
Very lame individuals, very lame.
2 Questions:
1) have you seen Batman Begins?
2) What's your favourite movie of 05 so far?
Swifty_446
17 Jun 2005, 14:44
What's the use?
I can't stop adults from liking kids movies.
Swifty_446
17 Jun 2005, 14:48
What's the story with the cars and stuff anyway? Batman begins, but in the future, when he was created in the past as were all his movies....?
I suppose they don't need to make kids movies thinking movies.....just keep the flashing lights and pretty costumes coming and you're all happy!
bluechampion
17 Jun 2005, 14:54
What's the use?
I can't stop adults from liking kids movies.
What's the use of what, Swifty? This is an enigmatic statement.
bluechampion
17 Jun 2005, 14:57
What's the story with the cars and stuff anyway? Batman begins, but in the future, when he was created in the past as were all his movies....?
I suppose they don't need to make kids movies thinking movies.....just keep the flashing lights and pretty costumes coming and you're all happy!
Wait... You're using your own ignorance as a reason the movie is bad?
You don't understand it, so it's bad?
Magpiespower
17 Jun 2005, 15:27
You've gotta admit - the car looks ridiculous.
Loved the film... completely different and warranted to the other BIG HYPED and BIG CHARACTER versions of the franchise in the 80s-90s.
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First... THIS IS NOT LINKED TO THE PREVIOUS MOVIES... IT IS NOT A PREQUEL TO THE OTHER MOVIES... it is a totally new attempt to get it right and they succeed moreso then the 1st Batman movie.
Second... Do not except to see BATMAN in some BANG KAWPOW opening scene... or even in the 1st half of the movie. This is a story about Bruce Wayne's journey and how he metamorphises into an Indestructable Symbol that can become a Legend.
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You do not need to be familar with Batman to enjoy this movie as it explains every possible thing about the why, how and when he does things. I am so far hard pressed to find holes in the plot or explanations.
The BATMOBILE ROCKS!!!!! PERIOD... when I 1st saw this in pics I thought urrghhh it looks crap... but then Batman isn't about looks ... as long as it's black, functional and terrifing.... and boy is it all of those:
<Policeman in car waiting to give chase>: "What does it look like?"
<Policeman engaged in chase>: "ummm errrr"
<Policeman in car waiting to give chase>: "How am I suppose to chase it if I don't know what it looks like???"
<Policeman engaged in chase>: "ummm errrr.... IT's A TANK!!"
The VILLIANS
Well they are basically everywhere in some form or another because Gotham City has become sooooo corrupt which is used as a justification for both Batman and his enemies. In previous attempts the villians have been as big and as exposed and sometimes stealing more of the limelight then Batman himself.... not this time... the villians know their place in the cool shadow of the mighty dark knight... this is BATMAN's movie.
That being said the 2 chief villians in The Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul make great foes. Dr Crane/The Scarecrow is perfectly suited for the role and has a face that will cause many children nightmares with or without the drugs. Ra's Al Ghul and his henchman are a great match for Batman and his equal or superior in many ways.
My FAV scenes...
1) Clearly my fav was when Batman reversed the drugs of Dr Crane (aka The Scarecrow) back onto Dr Crane forcing him to imagine his worst fears... with Batman looking his darkest, angriest worst towering before Dr Crane... Dr Crane had no choice but to see the worst fear imaginable... a hulking black fleshed bat-demon grappling and questioning Dr Crane... imagine a hairless version of a LOTR Uraki Orc (sp). AWESOME image.
2) Loved anything with the Batmobile... especially when it rocked around corners at speed and crunched through cars, toll boths, walls... everything.
3) Batman, seized up in a building surrounded by police and swams of SWAT teams filling into the building, calming talking to Gordan whilst Batman calls in his 'backup'. His backup arrives in the form of a plague of bats that seem to have come from all over Gotham city to cause havoc.
Cheers
SKC
You've gotta admit - the car looks ridiculous.
I thought the same when I 1st saw the car... but it is awesome in the movie... this batman is about practability not looks. :)
SKC
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17 Jun 2005, 16:49
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I did get a bit confused in the movie at one point and that was that i started to think that Liam Neeson (Ducard) was the head of the league of shadows or whatever it was called not that Ken Watanbe who plays Ra's Al Guhl. I didnt think that Ra's had alot of impact or influence in the movie and that Ducard was easily the main villain in the film. He seemed to be the mastermind behind everything and the one who actually carried out the plans.
I know i am wrong about him being the leader but did others feel this too?
With the Batmobile.. Well i wasnt that happy with it but it certainly offered a more realistic and definatley more menancing vehicle than last time. I do miss the feature of Batman being able to fly the Batmobile and go under water but i suppose they were a tad unrealistic, even though this movie isnt supposed to be totally realistic, i did like it how they went the extra step to explain everything logically in this movie.
Someones parents didn't buy him a Batman toy.
That's child abuse.
Roonaldo!
17 Jun 2005, 19:35
Gonna see it tonight, looking forward to it.
SonOfScray
18 Jun 2005, 00:07
Sensational film, streets ahead of any Batman film so far. In fact it is the best comic to film to come out thus far. I love how its not a hybrid of the old show and the cartoon but a true story of the Dark Knight, virtually straight from the pages of some of batman's greatest story writers.I am a huge F4, Spidey and X-Men fan but they just will pale into comparison to this film.
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I did get a bit confused in the movie at one point and that was that i started to think that Liam Neeson (Ducard) was the head of the league of shadows or whatever it was called not that Ken Watanbe who plays Ra's Al Guhl. I didnt think that Ra's had alot of impact or influence in the movie and that Ducard was easily the main villain in the film. He seemed to be the mastermind behind everything and the one who actually carried out the plans.
I know i am wrong about him being the leader but did others feel this too?
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No, I know Ken Watanbe had a small role to play but I believed he was the original leader of the League of Shadows.. then Liam Neeson took over after the events and took on his name/title as Ra's Al Guhl. Maybe Ra's Al Guhl is the title given to the leader of the League of Shadows. That is how I viewed it anyway.
Cheers
SKC
Roonaldo!
18 Jun 2005, 00:34
Just got back, this movie kicks ass.
XXX KINGS
18 Jun 2005, 00:43
BRING BACK THE OLD BAT MOBILE :mad:
Apart from that I really want to see this movie. I watched the 1989 film today when I got home from school and I am all in the mood for some Batman. BRING IT ON!!!
FootyJunkie
18 Jun 2005, 04:14
BRING BACK THE OLD BAT MOBILE :mad:
Which one?
The one with the red bat symbol from 1966?
The one from '89 and '92 (thinking back now, it looked a bit too long, but still nice)
Then the car got even more bigger in '95 and '97 and hardly looked like an autombile anymore.
Now in 2005 we got a tank, since this movie is about the true origins of Batman, i'll let this prototype slide, hope it looks better in the potential sequels (apparently Mark Hamill might play the Joker, he voiced the Joker in the animated series)
A re-launch was probably a good idea for this franchise and the reviews seem to be pretty positive (i'm a big fan of Burton's ones, yet this one seems even better, staying even more closer to the old comics)
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I did get a bit confused in the movie at one point and that was that i started to think that Liam Neeson (Ducard) was the head of the league of shadows or whatever it was called not that Ken Watanbe who plays Ra's Al Guhl. I didnt think that Ra's had alot of impact or influence in the movie and that Ducard was easily the main villain in the film. He seemed to be the mastermind behind everything and the one who actually carried out the plans.
No, not really. It made sense that Ra's would have a dual ID to trick Bruce. He did this in his first appearance in the comics.
As for Scarecrow, I think hemay have a huge part to play in any future movies. His experiments and fear gas may be the main reason why there are so many nutcases in Gotham. I'd say he would be a mjor influence on all of Batman's future opponents.
There are so many things thay could do to follow up this movie. I'm starting to think they should do a short TV series between films to address everything.
AngelEyes
18 Jun 2005, 12:50
Haven't seen this movie yet but I really want to see it. I like the adventure of the other Batman movies; and this one just look phenominal. Will see it definitely soon.
SonOfScray
18 Jun 2005, 14:56
Haven't seen this movie yet but I really want to see it. I like the adventure of the other Batman movies; and this one just look phenominal. Will see it definitely soon.
You'll love this movie then, the action / adventure aspects of the story are sensational and not marginalised by poor characterisation and ridiculously camp atmosphere. This is a dark, criminal thriller which is exactly how the Dark Knight should be portrayed on film.
XXX KINGS
18 Jun 2005, 15:09
Which one?
The one with the red bat symbol from 1966?
The one from '89 and '92 (thinking back now, it looked a bit too long, but still nice)
Then the car got even more bigger in '95 and '97 and hardly looked like an autombile anymore.
Now in 2005 we got a tank, since this movie is about the true origins of Batman, i'll let this prototype slide, hope it looks better in the potential sequels (apparently Mark Hamill might play the Joker, he voiced the Joker in the animated series)
A re-launch was probably a good idea for this franchise and the reviews seem to be pretty positive (i'm a big fan of Burton's ones, yet this one seems even better, staying even more closer to the old comics)
89' and 92' were the best, absolutely awesome!
Wonderful.
Wonderul, wonderful film. Finally we get to see some legitimate character development in a Batman film. We get to see who Bruce Wayne really is, and why he makes the choices he does. The movie is so good, it doesn't even feel like a superhero film. - it just feels like a normal charcter driven story, where the lead just happens to become a superhero. All the performances were great. Bale was fantastic, Michael Caine was endearing, Liam Neeseon was great. I like Moragn Freeman in the film too. He plays a role that was untouched in the original 4 films.
I'll definately be seeing it again.
Mattlowry
18 Jun 2005, 18:27
From the ign.com review of Batman Begins (extract)
The Batmobile certainly deserves special mention. It is indeed a character of its own in the film. When fans first saw the stealth-like look of the new vehicle, radically different from any of the other previous, ultra-slick incarnations, they complained and complained. I heard statements like "stupid-looking" and "ridiculous." Many felt it was just too different from the vehicle seen in the previous films or in the comics. Well, prepare to be proven wrong. The new Batmobile is the best Batmobile of all. It is one bad mutha-******. For once, this is a Batmobile that makes sense. It's tough and functional. Period. It can race through city streets, knock any obstacle out of its way, smash through walls, leap across rooftops and more. Why would Batman drive around in a sleek sports car if all he is concerned about is ridding the streets of criminals? This new Batmobile is more military vehicle than sports car, which makes sense in the context of this origin film. Batman needs a car that can achieve results, not a car he'll look cool in. There is a simply incredible chase scene with the new vehicle and if that sequence alone doesn't convince you, well sir, you are beyond reason.
I agree with that entirely.
moistie
18 Jun 2005, 19:39
I saw it today and I must say it was by far the best of the series, followed by the first of the series with Jack Nicholson. I'd highly recommend it to anyone.
Excellent character development, very good fight scenes- especially the one where he's being tested to leave the League of Shadows and has to walk through the rows of ninjas to find Liam Neeson. I'll be interested to see whether they disregard the previous movies now and invent a new Joker, or whether other enemies are resurrected.
Black JuJu
19 Jun 2005, 03:03
Saw it tonight and WOW, what a great movie.
Not like any 'comic book' movie I've ever seen, this is on another level. Very good characterisation - this is ABOUT Batman, the man behind the mask and his motivations. It's gritty and creates a great world for the characters - Bruce Wayne's inner circle is expanded on with great effect. I've never read the comics and have only seen the previous movies and some of the cartoons (and the campy series!) but surely every Batman fan must be happy with this, it exceeded my expectations and kept me on glued to the screen. GO AND SEE THIS MOVIE.
and to the guy not happy with the look of the Batmobile - Wait till you see this one in action mate, it's a MONSTER!
Saw it last night and wow it was fantastic. Bale was great as a darker batman. A great movie.
Better then starwars ep 3
Jeffers
19 Jun 2005, 17:02
What a ********ing awesome movie! Bale and Neelson were superb. Bale is definately the best Batman by far!
SonOfScray
19 Jun 2005, 17:21
I saw it today and I must say it was by far the best of the series, followed by the first of the series with Jack Nicholson. I'd highly recommend it to anyone.
Excellent character development, very good fight scenes- especially the one where he's being tested to leave the League of Shadows and has to walk through the rows of ninjas to find Liam Neeson. I'll be interested to see whether they disregard the previous movies now and invent a new Joker, or whether other enemies are resurrected.
This is not part of a series. It is a complete restart of the Batman universe on film, with no links to the prior Batman films except for the fact that they dealt with the same character.
Darealrath
19 Jun 2005, 19:37
One of the Shadow men looked a lot like the former England Rugby Captain...was that him ?
(apparently Mark Hamill might play the Joker, he voiced the Joker in the animated series)
mark hamill play the villain?
maybe he could reprise his role as c.ocknocker.. (jay & silent bob strikes back)
The Legend
20 Jun 2005, 13:14
mark hamill play the villain?
Not confirmed as yet. Some rumours are pointing to a dual portrayal, also utilising Crispin Glover (Hamill=voice, Glover=body). For those who don't know it, Mark Hamill has been doing the Jokers voice for the animated series for a number of years now. And he does a fantastic job-camp like Cesar Romero, but psychotic in a very disturbing way. I think using him might be a tad predictable though. He may also be too old.
The Legend
20 Jun 2005, 13:17
No, not really. It made sense that Ra's would have a dual ID to trick Bruce. He did this in his first appearance in the comics.
Not only to trick Bruce, I suspect. Neeson made a great Ra's by the way. Best Batman villain portrayal imo.
Not confirmed as yet. Some rumours are pointing to a dual portrayal, also utilising Crispin Glover (Hamill=voice, Glover=body).
crispin glover as the joker! if it were true, that would be sensational..
Black JuJu
20 Jun 2005, 21:49
I just can't picture Mark Hamill dressed up like the Joker.
Crispin Glover certainly has the base to work with I'll give him that.
The Legend
20 Jun 2005, 23:42
I just can't picture Mark Hamill dressed up like the Joker.
Crispin Glover certainly has the base to work with I'll give him that.
This is why I think Hamill is too old. In the comics, the Joker could probably be around the same age as Batman, and THIS particular Batman is about 27-30. Hamill does do a great voice though, and has the potential to be a real ham, so he could also be a great Joker (especially if the writers wanted Joker to be older). Buuuuuuut...I reckon they'll pick a younger one-like they did for Scarecrow (who does NOT look like a Dawson's Creek reject in the books).
Black JuJu
21 Jun 2005, 00:14
I read the young bloke who played Scarecrow actually auditioned for the Batman role but got pipped by Bale. Weird huh?
I reckon they should have got Niles from Frasier to be Scarecrow, probably because I kept thinking of him when they called him 'Dr Crane' :P, but also because I'd love to see if he could play a nut case.
rupert pupkin 87
30 Jun 2008, 13:34
Bump
Saw it this weekend, don't have any idea what the big deal is it is an average film at best.
Batman Returns should be good just for Ledger. Will probably go into the club of shit films carried by amazing performances- Scarface and Rainman for example
Bump
Saw it this weekend, don't have any idea what the big deal is it is an average film at best.
Batman Returns should be good just for Ledger. Will probably go into the club of shit films carried by amazing performances- Scarface and Rainman for example
Each to their own, but for me:
1) Backstory
Best superhero movie (since original Superman) that shows the transition/backstory of the superhero. I editing was very seemless with his backstory.
2) Quality Cast
Movie oozed great casting... Bale, Caine, Freeman, Rutger Heuer (sp), Murphy, Oldman... the weakest cast was probably K. Holmes and even she was ok.
3) Story Arc
Being the 1st of the new series this movie had to be about Batman... not the villians (that would appear later). Raz Ah Gul (sp) was the perfect villian for this movie not too dominating allowing the movie to focus on Batmans Beginings. It also sets in motion events that would flow into the future sequels.
4) Gadgets
Loved how there was a plausible explanation for each of batmans gadgets.. .everything from his suit & grappling gun to his cape & batmobile.
4a) Batmobile... Deserves its own mention. 1st impressions when I saw the pre-production stills were it looked crap. However absolutely loved it in the movie... it literially rocked.
Summary no superhero movie has covered the detail or produced as good as a storyline as BB did.
jorel6669
2 Jul 2008, 16:14
Bump
Saw it this weekend, don't have any idea what the big deal is it is an average film at best.
Batman Returns should be good just for Ledger. Will probably go into the club of shit films carried by amazing performances- Scarface and Rainman for example
Batman Returns is a decade and a half ago.
It's The Dark Knight to you, buddy. If you're bag something, at least get the name right.
rupert pupkin 87
2 Jul 2008, 18:07
Batman Returns is a decade and a half ago.
It's The Dark Knight to you, buddy. If you're bag something, at least get the name right.
Lol sorry, fair enough my bad
DeadlyAkkuret
3 Jul 2008, 04:04
Yeah, Batman Begins did nothing for me and nothing will ever beat the 1989 classic! The Dark Knight could be okay, but only for Heath.
BB was awesome. Some stupid plot points but a great movie nonetheless. TDK is apparently more a crime film that happens to have Batman and the Joker as the adversaries. Will wait and see.