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Kingpin

19th June 2005, 13:24

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June 16th 2005: Robins bid for exclusive use of red-and-black strip

In an interesting sideline to this weekend's crucial clash at Ulverstone, the issue of the Robins and Northern Bombers clashing jumpers has come up again.
Ulverstone sent a letter to the NTFL asking that the Bombers change their colours, but NTFL general manager Ian Wotherspoon said the issue won't be dealt with until the end of the year.

"You wouldn't expect there'll be a decision on it," he said.

When the Northern Bombers joined the NTFL after the collapse of the TFL in 2000, it was on the condition they wear teal jumpers when playing Ulverstone.

However after five years, the Robins believe they have the right to the red-and-black they've always worn.

Wotherspoon said there was no precedent in the NTFL, but there had been a similar issue in Hobart when three clubs moved to the SFL.

North Hobart joined the expanding SFL in 2000, but was forced to change its red-and-blue to black-red-and-blue to avoid conflicting with Brighton, a founding member of the league.

Kingpin

19th June 2005, 13:26

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Threat to quit over strip: June 17th 2005.
By Martin Agatyn

THE Northern Bombers would consider leaving the NTFL if the league tries to force them to give up their beloved red and black colours.
Bombers president Reg Lyons yesterday said the club, which joined the league in 2001 after the collapse of the Statewide league, had been red and black for 107 years "and would be for the next 107 years".
However, Ulverstone a founding NTFL club also has red and black colours.
The clash has been avoided until now because of an agreement that the Bombers would wear an alternate,predominantly teal coloured strip when the two teams met.

Ulverstone president Ron Ansell said the Robins had only agreed to the Bombers wearing red and black for an interim period and has written to the NTFL asking it to enforce an agreement in 2001 that the colours would only be shared until the then-new league had stabilised.

Lyons said his club would not have joined the NTFL had that been the case.
"Our members would have never allowed that to happen," he said.
"We won't change for anyone.
"We are very happy where we are (in the NTFL), but they had better think very hard before asking us to leave for refusing to change our colours.
"If we were given an ultimatum, we would definitely look at going to the NTFA or another new competition.
"We thought we fitted nicely into the NTFL and we're happy to leave things as they are.
"This is very petty and it has come as a complete bombshell for us."

Before the Bombers joined the NTFL in 2000, consideration was also given to joining the VFL.
Lyons yesterday refused to rule that out as an option should the Bombers quit the NTFL.

The Majestic

19th June 2005, 17:23

wattsy

19th June 2005, 17:26

Ulverstone no longer the power as in the 1990s.
Are they now jealous of the bombers success ?
Terrible thing this type of mentality within clubs.
Not in the spirit of the game.
Looks like another "Conspisy in the Jungle " from the sfl league.
Recommened Ulverstone get in touch with Kingston football club to get a copy of the act.

The Majestic

19th June 2005, 17:31

sherb

19th June 2005, 21:48

When Ulverstone plays at home why don't they wear red and black and North an alternative strip, and vice-versa when North plays at home?

Or if home games between the clubs don't strictly alternate, each club can take it in turns.

FFS, if they don't play against each other in the finals, it is a maximum of once each season isn't it?

Or is that all too simple?

Kingpin

19th June 2005, 21:51

This could all be sorted out if some of these clubs got off their high horse and thought about the best thing for the league. All this is going to do is damage the league, the in fighting has really screwed up the Southern League.

If the clubs are what makes the leagues, and losing colours and emblems damage the clubs badly, then the leagues should be making damned sure that clubs should be playing in their proper strips and have their proper emblems, using alternate strips for games where the colours clash.

But NO. It's all too hard for people to have some common sense in Tasmanian Football these days.
I must admit, I'm very surprised that the NTFL are having problems with this, I thought they were a truckload more professional than the SFL in regard to this.
The d*ckhead from Ulverstone who is jumping up and down about North Launceston should be b*tch-slapped and told to STFU and have a look at the carnage this issue has caused in the SFL.
Absolute bloody stupidity - good on North Launceston for sticking to their guns on the issue.
Pity Hobart were such weak pr*cks when it came time to standing up for something they beleived in.
North Hobart are now well on the way to wearing their proper jumper (1881-2000) in 2006 or 2007.

Blues_Man

20th June 2005, 00:13

I would rather the North Launceston wear the same jumper that Bendigo wear, the silver jumper with the Bombers logo in the middle. When I was up Lauceston visting family I saw the jumper, and thought that North should wear it.

I am sure this could be worked out, the Bombers were the Bendigo strip when playing Ulvestone, and they get to wear their own jumpe every other week. Shouldn't beb too hard, doesn't anyone involved with football in this state use their brains anymore?

I mean common sense would think they could wear a different jumper one freakin' game it's not like they are asking them to change for good...
who really cares what jumper you would like North to wear .
and they ARE asking them to change jumpers for good .
the Robins/Northern Bombers have worn their red and black jumper for 107 years and to ask them to change their jumper every game is a ridiculous and pedantic whinge by the Ulverstone football club . North has agreed to wear an alternate jumper whenever the two sides meet so what is the problem ?
Launceston and the other coastal side have no problems sharing the same colours .
here's a suggestion ..let the two teams play a match to decide who wears the red and black jumper ? i know where my money would lie

Kingpin

20th June 2005, 00:35

who really cares what jumper you would like North to wear .
and they ARE asking them to change jumpers for good .
the Robins/Northern Bombers have worn their red and black jumper for 107 years and to ask them to change their jumper every game is a ridiculous and pedantic whinge by the Ulverstone football club . North has agreed to wear an alternate jumper whenever the two sides meet so what is the problem ?
Launceston and the other coastal side have no problems sharing the same colours .
here's a suggestion ..let the two teams play a match to decide who wears the red and black jumper ? i know where my money would lie

That's exactly right. In this era of smaller crowds, and lesser media coverage of the local sport, and the decreasing relevance in the media and public's eyes due to the AFL, it is ultra important for clubs to be keeping their identities and colours and to maintain it.
As I see it, the only people going to local football these days are the diehards, and if adminstrators go stuffing about with these things, then those same diehards are going to walk away for good - and the clubs and leagues will die.
North Launceston have worn those colours and jumper since 1899, and to do what the SFL did to North Hobart (who wore thier colours since 1881) is just suicidal.
One only has to look at the calamatous situation that the SFL has got itself into over the situation of colours through small-town stupidity.
Most self respecting Hobart Tigers supporters are strongly anti-Hobart Lions and refuse to have anything to do with the club. Most of the Lions supporters are either clique groups within the club who don't give a f*ck about the tradition or colours, only thier own social standing. Or they are "newbies" who've been there a few years and think they know everything.
I've seen this type of thing split and smash a great club to peices, if I were North Launceston, I'd fight this all the way, because if they don't, it WILL get ugly.
The issue of a "play-off" for the colours reminds me of Hobart offering the same sort of challenge to Kingston/Kingborough a few times over 1999-2002.
They always flat out refused :rolleyes:

MadRyan

20th June 2005, 00:56

Are NB a realistic chance of joining the VFL?

It would get rid of the bye ...

TigerFan

20th June 2005, 04:42

Launceston and the other coastal side have no problems sharing the same colours .

Wynyard.

GO CATS!

TigerFan

20th June 2005, 04:44

Are NB a realistic chance of joining the VFL?

It would get rid of the bye ...

as much as I rate the NTFL, the Northern Bombers would have to be winning every game by 10 goals over a number of seasons before they would be making a significant impact upon the VFL.

Captain Charisma

20th June 2005, 07:31

as much as I rate the NTFL, the Northern Bombers would have to be winning every game by 10 goals over a number of seasons before they would be making a significant impact upon the VFL. Well actually they might make an impact because alot of Tassie Devils players from the north would more than likely come play for them, Plus players from the north who are looking to play VFL, and i'd rather see North Bombers Vs VFL team than Tassie Devils Vs VFL team.

TigerFan

20th June 2005, 08:06

Well actually they might make an impact because alot of Tassie Devils players from the north would more than likely come play for them, Plus players from the north who are looking to play VFL, and i'd rather see North Bombers Vs VFL team than Tassie Devils Vs VFL team.

maybe the 'Hobart Devils' could literally become the 'Hobart Devils'?

Magpiespower

20th June 2005, 09:57

Does Burnie still have two teams?

The Big H

20th June 2005, 11:54

Ian Wotherspoon spoke about the team colour issue on Saturday morning on the local radio. Really is a media beat up and a storm in a tea cup.

As i play on weekends i don't get to see much footy from other leagues. Can anyone tell me if the bombers play in the yellow pura milk jumpers when they do play ulverstone, or a different jumper.

bsg7

20th June 2005, 14:17

The Northern Bombers are kidding themselves if they think they will EVER have a team in the VFL. Tasmania as a state just isnt big enoguh to field 2 competitive teams in the VFL

Kingpin

20th June 2005, 15:04

Does Burnie still have two teams?
Not at a bigger league level no, although there are quite a few smaller clubs around the Burnie area.
Originally you had the Burnie Tigers and Cooee.
Cooee jumped the Burnie Tigers and changed their name to the Burnie Hawks in 1987 and joined the TFL Statewide League.
Cooee, by calling themselves "Burnie Hawks" created unprecedented hatred in the city of Burnie between the two clubs that bordered on almost apartheid at times.
The two clubs shared West Park Oval, but the hatred was very real and very intense.
When Peter German crossed to Burnie in about 1995 he set about trying to get the two clubs together under a completely different set of colours and emblem.
Thus the Burnie Dockers were born - a mixture of the old Burnie Hawks (Cooee) and the Burnie Tigers from the NTFL.
The Dockers were getting big crowds to many of thier games and were becoming a TFL powerhouse before they went broke and had to be bailed out by the Burnie City Council in the late 90's, just to stay alive.

The other Burnie team still in existence is South Burnie which plays in the Darwin Football Association and is based at Wivenhoe.

Kingpin

20th June 2005, 15:06

maybe the 'Hobart Devils' could literally become the 'Hobart Devils'?

Clarence Devils more like.

The Majestic

20th June 2005, 18:12

Are NB a realistic chance of joining the VFL?

It would get rid of the bye ...
I wouldn't think they would be able to afford the travel costs.

WCL

20th June 2005, 18:49

Captain Charisma

20th June 2005, 19:54

MadRyan

20th June 2005, 21:28

Would anyone please beable to get me a decent picture of the Northern Bombers most recent club emblem/logo?

Blues_Man

20th June 2005, 21:48

Would anyone please beable to get me a decent picture of the Northern Bombers most recent club emblem/logo?
Emblem: Bombers (formerly Robins)
it's the same Emblem as Essendon . used to be the Robins

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MadRyan

20th June 2005, 21:53

Emblem: Bombers (formerly Robins)
it's the same Emblem as Essendon . used to be the Robins

http://www.fullpointsfooty.net/images/nllogo.gif

Yes, my Father and Uncles played for North back in the 80's/early 90's.

I was under the impression that Northern had a newer logo, that's all.

Captain Charisma

20th June 2005, 22:07

Just goto the NTFL website its got it there.

The Majestic

21st June 2005, 03:06

How stupid do Ulverstone want to be! If the Northern Bombers change their playing strip, it will be almost the end for local footy in the state. Although I believe that if the Northern Bombers were admitted into the VFL, it would be the best thing for a VFL fan in Tassie as a healthy rivalry would be built and re-vitalise the game in tassie. I still think that if that happened we can say good-bye to Local football forever in this once proud footballing state.
From what I rememebr both Clarence and North were going to go and join, once the TFL callapsed. I am not sure if either were admitted in the league, but I think they saw that it would cost them too much and in the end decided against it.

To be honest, I couldn't see a problem, North change when they play Ulvestone away, Ulvestone change when they play North away. That way there will be no clash, and both teams can wear the same strip without a major problem.

WCL

21st June 2005, 09:48

From what I rememebr both Clarence and North were going to go and join, once the TFL callapsed. I am not sure if either were admitted in the league, but I think they saw that it would cost them too much and in the end decided against it.

To be honest, I couldn't see a problem, North change when they play Ulvestone away, Ulvestone change when they play North away. That way there will be no clash, and both teams can wear the same strip without a major problem.
Posted by the Majestic.

My point exactly.

The OC

21st June 2005, 12:06

All people in Tasmania should stop breeding with their cousins. It's just not right. Just from reading this thread you can tell it is starting to have a profound effect on people.

The Majestic

21st June 2005, 15:58

All people in Tasmania should stop breeding with their cousins. It's just not right. Just from reading this thread you can tell it is starting to have a profound effect on people.
And exactly what relevence has this to the subject at hand? If you are going to try a tired joke, go the Humour board.

The OC

21st June 2005, 16:24

And exactly what relevence has this to the subject at hand? If you are going to try a tired joke, go the Humour board.

For such a small and sparsley populated state, to have so many leagues competing for the best players is an absolute joke. The fact that you are all bickering about colours and emblems (really, these only matter to 5 yr old kids) shows everybody who has the misfortune of stumbling across your crappy thread, the small minded simpleton's that you are.

Grow up the lot of you. And like I said, try spreading the gene pool a little more.

Kingpin

21st June 2005, 22:16

Blah, Blah, Blah - More crap.

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The OC

22nd June 2005, 08:47

Tigers 1945, you have just provewn my theory correct. Thank you.

Kingpin

22nd June 2005, 11:35

Tigers 1945, you have just provewn my theory correct. Thank you.
What's that theory then?
That you're a complete prat who posts on topics upon which you have little or no knowledge of?

Get back to your VAFA forum.

The OC

23rd June 2005, 10:12

What's that theory then?
That you're a complete prat who posts on topics upon which you have little or no knowledge of?

Get back to your VAFA forum.

Could you please explain to me what a "prat" is? Not in the English dictionary pea brain.

Blues_Man

24th June 2005, 18:27

For such a small and sparsley populated state, to have so many leagues competing for the best players is an absolute joke. The fact that you are all bickering about colours and emblems (really, these only matter to 5 yr old kids) shows everybody who has the misfortune of stumbling across your crappy thread, the small minded simpleton's that you are.

Grow up the lot of you. And like I said, try spreading the gene pool a little more.
is that you sheeds ??? hows the martians going ? as for spreading a gene pool you should have been castrated at birth ..just so you don't attempt to breed .
I'm tipping it wouldn't be needed as your most likely to want to breed with the same sex

sherb

24th June 2005, 18:48

Could you please explain to me what a "prat" is? Not in the English dictionary pea brain.
Prat - n. sl. 1. A silly or foolish person 2. The buttocks

Either meaning would be appropriate, based on what I have seen you post in this thread. :D

The Majestic

24th June 2005, 20:06

For such a small and sparsley populated state, to have so many leagues competing for the best players is an absolute joke. The fact that you are all bickering about colours and emblems (really, these only matter to 5 yr old kids) shows everybody who has the misfortune of stumbling across your crappy thread, the small minded simpleton's that you are.

Grow up the lot of you. And like I said, try spreading the gene pool a little more.
If you don't like what is said in this thread don't read it, pure and simple, your posts have no relevence to the current discussion. What opinions that have been expressed in this thread before you swipe at the state were fine, and I see nothing wrong with them.

Kindly stick to a topic you actually know and stop trying to hijack a thread.

The OC

27th June 2005, 21:15

Ahhh, you all take the bait so easily. I feel that Tasmania would produce more AFL players if they got their petty little act together. Heck, they might have even had an AFL team by now. Ciao

Kingpin

28th June 2005, 03:03

Ahhh, you all take the bait so easily. I feel that Tasmania would produce more AFL players if they got their petty little act together. Heck, they might have even had an AFL team by now. Ciao
Good to see you finally speaking some truth.
You're absolutely spot on in regard to that, I sit here and look at what's happening to the game, and just cannot believe what I'm seeing.
The Northern parts of the State are just light years ahead of the South now, it just isn't funny.
Pettiness, parochialism, politics, lack of foresight and common sense - it's just ripping the game apart down South.
The whole sport could've been just so much stronger. But when you have lemmings in charge........... :(