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roach44
20 Jun 2005, 02:39
Appears Warnie is busted again.
http://www.sportsnews.com.au/main.php
Roonaldo!
20 Jun 2005, 05:38
What? Another one?
Appears Warnie is busted again.
http://www.sportsnews.com.au/main.php
"busted again"? Based on that? Pah.
"busted again"? Based on that? Pah.
Exactly.
You have to question the motives of these people. Nothing like a quick **** to make a quick buck.
Freo Big Fella
20 Jun 2005, 10:03
Wouldn't suprise me if it was a beatup, just like that yarpie.
Magpiespower
20 Jun 2005, 10:35
Typical sleazy tabloid beat-up.
But I wouldn't put it past 'Our Man Shane.'
Or any other cricketer on tour/away from home.
swanfan
20 Jun 2005, 19:07
I tend to agree Mr.Warne has a bad history but I also think he is a victim of circumstance. Its a shame he continually puts himself in these situations but on the other hand how do we know that the Poms are using this an underhanded tactic to try and beat us. They haven't seem to beat us on the field too easily in the past so they have to use "gutter" tactics to try and beat us. Shame, mother country, shame.
Nel Mangle
20 Jun 2005, 20:12
warnie likes to play away.
Those long tours must take their toll.
When he is cheating I bet he uses viagra seeing as he likes drugs so much.
spring6
20 Jun 2005, 21:47
What I love is these women. " He is a dirty filthy beast, he wanted to sleep with me, so I did,willing, and then sold my story to a newspaper, Jeez that Warne is a sleaze"
spring6
20 Jun 2005, 21:49
warnie likes to play away.
AND?
Why should anyone but his missus care?
He's suppose to be on The Footy Show in London on thursday.Is this story a beat up created by Eddie McGuire just to drag in some more ratings ?
:D
Brett Li
20 Jun 2005, 23:35
Appears Warnie is busted again.
http://www.sportsnews.com.au/main.php
That Warne bloke will try anything to deflect attention from the fact that Oz were beaten by Bangladesh and his growing bald patch.
:p
Lloyd Dobbler
21 Jun 2005, 00:31
Warnie has exposed his middle stump once too often. Clean bowled!!
:D
jmerino
21 Jun 2005, 09:37
Thats what you get for hanging around with Peterson who is 10 years younger than you, out clubbing,boozing all the time.
When will he remember he is a married man with kids.
Black Thunder
21 Jun 2005, 13:46
Thats what you get for hanging around with Peterson who is 10 years younger than you, out clubbing,boozing all the time.
that's where the story falls in a heap (RE: Pieterson).
At first i thought "warnie what you done now champ?" but after reading into it more it seems to me that there is a beat up of extreme proportions going on.
They're claiming that he was on a double date with Kevin Pieterson?? Well that's fine, but i just can't buy into that given it's pretty widely said Pieterson is one of the most disliked cricketers in the professional ranks (he left his county side because no one would talk to him any more). And one of KP's biggest detractors (not his cricket skills, but as a person) is Warney himself.
Warney may have done this (who really cares anyway, as someone said "only his missus should") but the fact they're throwing KP into the story makes me sceptical as everything as i understand it says KP is one of the last guys Warne would find himself with 1-on-1 in a social situation.
PowerKop
21 Jun 2005, 13:58
that's where the story falls in a heap (RE: Pieterson).
At first i thought "warnie what you done now champ?" but after reading into it more it seems to me that there is a beat up of extreme proportions going on.
They're claiming that he was on a double date with Kevin Pieterson?? Well that's fine, but i just can't buy into that given it's pretty widely said Pieterson is one of the most disliked cricketers in the professional ranks (he left his county side because no one would talk to him any more). And one of KP's biggest detractors (not his cricket skills, but as a person) is Warney himself.
Warney may have done this (who really cares anyway, as someone said "only his missus should") but the fact they're throwing KP into the story makes me sceptical as everything as i understand it says KP is one of the last guys Warne would find himself with 1-on-1 in a social situation.
I think thats absolute rubbish and i dont know where you got your infor re Pieterson. As far as I know he's a pretty popular guy and I've never heard that Warney make any negative comments about him.
There's two possibilities here:
1. This slapper is making up a story for a quick buck.
2. It's true.
Either way, who gives a ********?
dA Crow
21 Jun 2005, 14:17
I think thats absolute rubbish and i dont know where you got your infor re Pieterson. As far as I know he's a pretty popular guy and I've never heard that Warney make any negative comments about him.
Wow... this is a Kodak moment... we agree :)
campbell
21 Jun 2005, 15:08
James Sutherland was just on the news,saying basically that Wanrie has been told his off field behaviour is hurting the team, an dhe has to be responsible for his actions.
Sounds to me Cricket Australia are ********ed off at him.
Sounds to me Cricket Australia are ********ed off at him.
They are, but only because he won't play ODI's any more!
Another bird trying to make a quick dollar, i'd be sick of defending myself as well.
Blues_Man
21 Jun 2005, 20:09
warnie likes to play away.
Those long tours must take their toll.
When he is cheating I bet he uses viagra seeing as he likes drugs so much.
notice it's nearlly always a pommie sheila ...those pommy tarts must spread easier than 3 week old margarine
dugrene
21 Jun 2005, 21:12
Apparently he has increased his delivery speed :D
Joe Mama
21 Jun 2005, 23:18
Another excuse for the Sports Media to crank up the sanctimonious drivel to another level, (did you read the Age today?, god so much crap about nothing), but does it really matter that he's an idiot and a pantsman ?, NO.
Minkus_Swan
21 Jun 2005, 23:37
notice it's nearlly always a pommie sheila ...those pommy tarts must spread easier than 3 week old margarine
Yeah they're definitely more keener than other girls, but most have faces like roadkill. Warney attracts a hell of a lot of mingers....
Black Thunder
21 Jun 2005, 23:57
I think thats absolute rubbish and i dont know where you got your infor re Pieterson. As far as I know he's a pretty popular guy and I've never heard that Warney make any negative comments about him.
obviousbly guys don't come straight out into the media and bag a guy's personality. But when you keep your ear to the ground there are a lot of people who've played with/against him that think he's a total ****************.
Cooldude
22 Jun 2005, 00:01
Warnie and KP are pretty public new "Best mates"
They're alike afterall...
Yeah they're definitely more keener than other girls, but most have faces like roadkill.
My missus and I take great exception to that, well the roadkill bit anyway.
m.diddy
22 Jun 2005, 15:33
Can someone set me straight.
Warne leaves Australia because he claims he wants to get away from all the media that follow him and make up stuff and goes to England where it is 10 times worse. :confused:
Then he goes and makes an ad with him text messaging in the background? Come home shane.
"I walked into the bedroom and told him I wasn't interested in having sex with him."
"He took off all his clothes and I asked him if he had a condom - I guessed he didn't so I thought that would be the end of it."
But she said Warne left the room and returned with a condom at which point " ... I just gave in".
Wow, she's a credible source. In her little story, she just lay over, but then goes and sells it to the papers?
Just a d1ckhead wanting to get her face in the papers, and Warney in trouble.
Warne's media management is an example of top quality spin.
Fat man’s marriage heading down the toilet:
http://www.supercricket.co.za/default.asp?id=150034&des=article&scat=supercricket/international
campbell
26 Jun 2005, 07:34
Gawwwwnnnnnn.
Another paper has another incident apparently.The last incident, he never issued a deniel.
His missus has had enough of the Tom Cat.Good on her.
He is in all sorts of trouble with Cricket Australia.
Silly silly gifted cricketer.
Never a dull moment with our Shane. He's perhaps the greatest thing to happen to cricket.
Quality entertainer.
The game needs more characters like him, but it'll be interesting to see how Cricket Australia deals with him.
A two Test ban for staying up way past his bedtime and being a very naughty boy?
Jumpin' Jimmy
26 Jun 2005, 10:15
Have to feel sorry for the bloke. Year after year plying his profession as the world's greatest legspinner, away from the cheese and kisses and good old Aussie mates to protect him.
Fancy being stuck in the UK for months on end with nothing but Pommie scraggers hanging about. These sheilas are so desperate 'cos they only have whimps like Timmy the Chook Henman to idolise that they go positively ape-sh1t over a real life he-man like our Shane. After a hard day on the cricket field a man can only fight off so many of these nymphos before he finally succumbs. Only problem is they cant keep their bloody mouths shut for five minutes even if the poor blighter only winked at them sideways.
Forget Schappelle Corby......... John Howard should personally intervene to bring Shane Warne home now before he is ripped apart by all these Pommie tarts and the Fleet Street press. Make him a national treasure and put him on a life-time pension. If Howard wont do it then Bomber Beasley should make it his number 1 election commitment. He'd be the next Prime Minister for sure.
SOS ........ SAVE OUR SHANE
grimlock
26 Jun 2005, 11:41
What a knob. You got to feel sorry for his missus, she's been continually embarassed time and again and still stuck by him. Great player but an absolute ****************.
What a knob. You got to feel sorry for his missus, she's been continually embarassed time and again and still stuck by him. Great player but an absolute ****************.
Yeah, spot on, not surprised she's had a gutful and decided enough enough. Great bowler but he does come across as quite the ****************.
Punt_Road_Roar
26 Jun 2005, 12:09
What a knob. You got to feel sorry for his missus, she's been continually embarassed time and again and still stuck by him. Great player but an absolute ****************.
Feel Sorry for his missus? get real, she keeps hanging around him for one reason only and thats the $$$$$ and the media profile he has, most women would have dumped him on his fat @rse and taken half his money the first time he did it let alone the 4th or 5th time kids or no kids.
I dont feel sorry for her and I dont feel sorry for shane either.
I dont feel sorry for her and I dont feel sorry for shane either.
Quite right. They are both adults and they will do what they will. It is their lives. All part of the rich tapestry of life.
campbell
26 Jun 2005, 13:27
I feel for the kids, this is their father. they are old enough to understand now.
Should never have played again after the 'pitch report' betting scandal, Doping incident, NZ harass a child incident, phone sex incident etc etc
The ACB were weak then and will be weak now, just because of his undoubted cricket talent. Playing for your country comes with its own set of rules.
The bloke is a loser, who should never be near an Australian side.
AND?
Why should anyone but his missus care?
Exactly. Its a matter between his wife and himself who he roots. By the way todays news is he is now separated form his wife. Leaves all those presswhores without a story now doesnt it.
Should never have played again after the 'pitch report' betting scandal, Doping incident, NZ harass a child incident, phone sex incident etc etc
The ACB were weak then and will be weak now, just because of his undoubted cricket talent. Playing for your country comes with its own set of rules.
The bloke is a loser, who should never be near an Australian side.
A loser? I don't understand.
A bit of a dodgy geezer maybe, but nothing serious.
If he gets UK citizenship he could be knighted. Arise Sir Shane!
A loser? I don't understand.
A bit of a dodgy geezer maybe, but nothing serious.
If he gets UK citizenship he could be knighted. Arise Sir Shane!
A bit of a dodgy geezer ? what in the Charles Manson mould of dodgy geezers
1) Done for taking money off illegal bookmakers for 'at the very least' information on his own team
2) Harrassed, and broke a young kids camera because he was going to be caught smoking and might lose money on a sponsorship contract
3) Banned for taking illegal drugs
4) Too many sexual misconducts to count which are expressly against the players code of conduct
Yeah great Bloke, the Poms can have him, he is a disgrace
eddiesmith
26 Jun 2005, 17:10
So, Mark Waugh should have been stopped from playing as well Dudley? Or only Warnie
Some people need to get over Warnes personal life, personally I wouldnt have minded if Warne hadnt played for Aus over the last few years, then you all wouldnt be as arrogant as you are because Aus wouldnt have been the dominant force it was.
Cameron_K
26 Jun 2005, 17:15
I don't care who Warne wants to shag in his private life and if he is cheating on his missus or not. The only time I worry about Shane Warne is when he steps onto the cricket pitch representing Australia. Millions of people cheat every year, Why should he be punished for doing the same thing.
Also why wasn't it reported when another Australian player was left at the Alter after his fiancee discovered some interesting text messages. The media never jumped on that story.
A bit of a dodgy geezer ? what in the Charles Manson mould of dodgy geezers
1) Done for taking money off illegal bookmakers for 'at the very least' information on his own team
2) Harrassed, and broke a young kids camera because he was going to be caught smoking and might lose money on a sponsorship contract
3) Banned for taking illegal drugs
4) Too many sexual misconducts to count which are expressly against the players code of conduct
Yeah great Bloke, the Poms can have him, he is a disgrace
1) I thought it was pitch and weather information. Has been punished.
2) Yeah, he shouldn't have taken the sponsorship, maybe he thought he could give up smoking. A mistake, but who hasn't made mistakes. Not the end of the world. I don't know the exact details of the camera thing, but maybe the kid had been told to leave him alone.
3) Done his time
4) His sex life is his business and the courts if it is illegal.
Hardly in the realm of Manson and his skills and entertainment value outweigh his minor crimes.
Not that I'd necessarily get along with him.
Katthawk
26 Jun 2005, 17:17
What I love is these women. " He is a dirty filthy beast, he wanted to sleep with me, so I did,willing, and then sold my story to a newspaper, Jeez that Warne is a sleaze"
Two to tango. Probably a relief to his wife he's called it quits for the time being. I wouldn't like to be in her position nor with her kids either.
So, Mark Waugh should have been stopped from playing as well Dudley? Or only Warnie
Yes, he should have been in the same way that every other player who was found to have actually taken money from illegal bookmakers was !
And to anwser other points, so should we allow all other drug cheats back in their respective sports also ?
Or is it only Australian Drug and illegal bookmaking cheats who should be left alone, especially if they happen to be good ?
Cameron_K
26 Jun 2005, 19:16
Yes when its only a duretic I don't see the problem. The guy has served his time and will have that over his head for the rest of his life.
Yes when its only a duretic I don't see the problem. The guy has served his time and will have that over his head for the rest of his life.
Diuretic= NO1 masking agent for all other illegal drugs ie anabolic steroids to build muscle mass around a chronic shoulder injury !
Please dont use the "my mum game me a water pill" line
The guy is a twice proven cheat betting & drugs
It is hypocrisy to keep defending him because he is Australian
Cameron_K
26 Jun 2005, 19:32
Diuretic= NO1 masking agent for all other illegal drugs ie anabolic steroids to build muscle mass around a chronic shoulder injury !
Please dont use the "my mum game me a water pill" line
The guy is a twice proven cheat betting & drugs
It is hypocrisy to keep defending him because he is Australian
I know for a fact what it masks. Yet the guy was found guilty of having a diuretic in his system not anabolic steriods. That is fact and no matter how much conjecture is out there nothing will prove that.
Plenty of athletes have been found guilty of using drugs in sport and not given lifetime bans. What is the difference?
I know for a fact what it masks. Yet the guy was found guilty of having a diuretic in his system not anabolic steriods. That is fact and no matter how much conjecture is out there nothing will prove that.
Plenty of athletes have been found guilty of using drugs in sport and not given lifetime bans. What is the difference?
If you know what diuretics mask, you will also know why they carry such a heavy penalty by the WDA. Interestingly a penalty the ACB did not enforce, i wonder why ?
Were all the other drug cheats also betting cheats ? not to mention the rest of his history. If the ACB had any balls whatsoever the loser would be gone. He is a stain on Australian sport, the only twice proven cheat to ever play for his country !
Yes, he should have been in the same way that every other player who was found to have actually taken money from illegal bookmakers was !
Care to name some of these other players?
And to anwser other points, so should we allow all other drug cheats back in their respective sports also ?
Once they've served their bans, yes.
Care to name some of these other players?
Sure;
Cronje, Iqbal & Azharuddin
IE All the other players proven to have taken money from illegal bookmakers
Sure;
Cronje, Iqbal & Azharuddin
IE All the other players proven to have taken money from illegal bookmakers
No, they are players proven to have fixed the results of matches, which is not the same thing.
Leaves all those presswhores without a story now doesnt it.
I doubt it, I reckon every girl he passed in the street will see the opportunity for the 5 mins of fame and a rise on their dole cheque.
Where's that South African beast - what was it that Hookesy call her again?
No, they are players proven to have fixed the results of matches, which is not the same thing.
No, one of them was, the other two were found guilty of taking money from bookmakers, exactly the same offence as Warne and Waugh.
I suppose Warne was only taking the "water pill" from his mum so he could look good on the telly also ?
Keep living in your 'there Aussies they cant be guilty" dreamworld ;)
Joe Mama
26 Jun 2005, 21:22
I think it's pointless arguing with the likes of the aptley titled DUDley here, because it's a waste of time arguing logic to an illogical opponent with a massive axe to grind (BTW, he's a good bowler, but he's acted like a bit of a tool sometimes), and anyway if any of our private lives were put under the same scrutiny as the Shane Warne's and David Beckham's of this world, there would be a few of us here who would look like tossers, i'll give you the tip.
That "Dopey, hairy backed old shiela", from South Africa was arrested for extortion because of her cliams against Warne, and was heavily fined as I recall, and with any of these cases involving famous people, most thinking people treat with scepticism.
Really, the media NEEDS SHANE WARNE, because anything to do with him be it good or bad generates interest, and sells newspapers and boosts T.V Ratings, that's why his sins are more published compared to those who have little or no profile outside of the game.
Despite everything else he's done, Shane Warne has helped revive the dying art of Leg Spin, especially in One Day Internationals, and even his most fiercest opponents surely can give him credit for that.
And anyway as the Simpsons once said "...Almost all of our Politicians, Astronauts and World Series heroes, have either been drunk, or on cocaine".
No, one of them was, the other two were found guilty of taking money from bookmakers, exactly the same offence as Warne and Waugh.
From the ICC website:
In September 1994, during the Singer Cup in Sri Lanka, Mark Waugh and Shane Warne accepted $4,000 and $5,000 respectively from 'John', an Indian bookmaker, to provide him with weather and pitch information in games involving Australia.
Waugh declined to provide details concerning team tactics or selection of players but provided information to 'John' on approximately ten occasions over a five month period. This included games in Pakistan, Australia during the 1994/95 Ashes tour, in New Zealand in February 1995 and finally in the West Indies during the tour in 1995. the full scope of Waugh's telephone calls were not fully appreciated until further examination during the O'Regan Inquiry.
John gave Warne, who had been introduced to Waugh, an envelope containing $5,000 as a token of his appreciation for meeting him. Warne was subsequently phoned by John on three occasions during the Ashes series in Australia 1994/95 and he responded in quite general terms to queries about the composition of the team and the likely state of the pitch for certain matches.
These arrangements came to an end when a journalist contacted Ian McDonald, the Australian Team Manager. Waugh and Warne provided McDonald with handwritten, but unsigned statements (dated 20 February 1995) concerning the acceptance of money from 'John'. After a further interview with ACB officials, when both men again made admissions, Waugh was fined $AUS 10,000 and Warne $AUS 8,000.
Other than a reference to the incident in the Minutes of the ACB meeting of 28 February 1995, no mention of this incident was made public until 1998. This would accord with the then feelings of the ICC that, in the best interests of cricket, such matters should not be released into the public domain. This incident is referred to in the O'Regan Report.
In 1998 after the 1994/95 Waugh and Warne allegations were revealed by the media, the Australian Cricket Board (ACB) faced criticism of the handling of the affair. It responded by appointing Rob O'Regan AM QC to conduct a full investigation covering the period January 1992 to December 1998. His brief was to:
* Investigate whether any of its contracted players had engaged in certain conduct relating to betting, bribery, match-fixing, the unauthorised receipt of moneys or other benefits and related matters, and to investigate also disciplinary processes available for consideration of such conduct.
As his was a private ACB Inquiry, O'Regan did not have the powers conferred by statute to compel witnesses to give evidence on oath or affirmation, nor could he even require them to give evidence at all. The Inquiry did not enjoy the protection of absolute privilege, such as would provide a complete defence against an action in defamation.
O'Regan concentrated his examination on the events surrounding Australian players in respect of:
* Alleged approach to Dean Jones during 1992 in Sri Lanka.
* Allegation that the second match of the 1992 World XI v Indian XI was fixed.
* Allegations that Allan Border was approached to fix the final Test of the 1993 Australian tour of England.
* The acceptance of $4,000 and $5,000 by Mark Waugh and Shane Warne during the 1994 Sri Lanka/Pakistan Tour
* Alleged approach to Ricky Ponting for match information during 1997
* Alleged approach to Mark Taylor regarding weather and pitch information during the 1998 Pakistan tour.
After a thorough investigation O'Regan formed the opinion that there was no basis for recommending disciplinary action against any Australian player, Waugh and Warne having previously been fined in 1995. However he did criticise the ACB for its handling of the Waugh/Warne case believing that they should have been suspended.
He recommended that the ACB review the way in which it dealt with serious disciplinary proceedings, publicity of such proceedings, penalties to be imposed and player counselling in relation to untoward contact with those with gambling interests.
Some of the events mentioned in the O'Regan report were later to be corroborated by the Indian bookmaker MK Gupta, when he was interviewed by the Indian Central Bureau of Investigation in 2000 during the Hansie Cronjé affair. However the evidence of Gupta made a new allegation of corruption against one Australian player. This allegation is currently the subject of an investigation by the Special Investigator appointed by the ACB, with assistance from the ICC ACU.
In 1998, under the terms of the Commission of Inquiry Act 1956, Pakistan set up a one man Judicial Commission to probe allegations that members of the National team had been involved in betting and match fixing. Mr. Justice Malik Muhammad Qayyum was appointed to the Commission.
This was to follow the Inquiry undertaken by Justice (Retd.) Fakhruddin G. Ibrahim and a Probe Committee Inquiry chaired by Justice Ejaz Yousef (Yousef Inquiry). The Yousef Inquiry, which did not have the powers of a Judge to compel witnesses to give evidence, was undertaken ex-parte and no opportunity was given to the accused to be represented or cross-examine witnesses. Whilst the Yousef Inquiry was abandoned, as it was felt that the process was flawed, it had tentatively suggested that certain players be suspended from playing cricket.
Justice Qayyum decided that rules of natural justice such as hearing and right of cross-examination must be applied.
The Commission's mandate was:
* To probe into the allegations regarding betting and match fixing against the members of the Pakistan Cricket Team.
* To determine and identify the persons including members of the team responsible for betting and match fixing.
* To recommend such actions as may be appropriate; and
* To suggest measures to avoid any future incidence.
The term 'match-fixing' was defined as:
* Deciding the outcome of a match before it is played and then playing oneself or having others play below one's/their ability to influence the outcome to be in accordance with the pre-decided outcome. Match fixing was undertaken primarily for pecuniary gain.
As Justice Qayyum considered that the appropriate punishments for match-fixing was a ban he required the burden of proof to lie between that applied to the criminal and normal civil standard, i.e. a higher standard of proof than the balance of probabilities.
Two offences were considered:
* Match-fixing
* Bringing the name of the team into disrepute (match-fixing related)
The Commission examined cricketers from Pakistan and Australia, Sports Journalists and miscellaneous other witnesses, and heard evidence containing fact and conjecture relating to incidents of alleged betting and match fixing. Whilst many events were related, it soon became apparent that Salim Malik was the focal point of many of the allegations.
Amongst those who appeared to give evidence were Mark Waugh and Mark Taylor. They gave evidence of an approach by Malik shortly before the Wills Triangular Series ODI in Rawalpindi on 22 October 1994 when Malik sought out Waugh to enquire if he could influence the Australian team in throwing the match.
However, whilst not specifically asked about it, they did not mention the undisclosed ACB 1995 finding that Waugh and Warne had accepted money from an Indian bookmaker, a fact to which Taylor had also been privy. This was revealed in December 1998, after they had given evidence before Justice Qayyum. As a direct result of this disclosure the Qayyum Inquiry travelled to Australia, where a special hearing having been convened under Pakistan law, they heard from Waugh and Warne.
Although completed many months earlier, and submitted to the PCB, Justice Qayyums report was not published until after the publicity surrounding the revelations about Cronjè.
In the report he concluded "The allegation that the Pakistan team as a whole is involved in match-fixing is just based on allegation, conjectures and surmises without there being positive proof. As a whole, the players of the Pakistan Cricket team are innocent".
However he found that the evidence in the case of Salim Malik was such that he should be banned from cricket for life and that there should be an inquiry into his assets. He further recommended that Ata-ur-Rehman should be similarly banned for life. Additionally Wasim Akram, Mushtaq Ahmed, Waqar Younis, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Akram Raza, Basit Ali and Saeed Anwar were subject of various penalties including being warned, censured, further investigated or kept under observation. He also recommended that the captaincy of the Pakistan Cricket team be removed from Wasim Akram.
He also imposed fines of varying amounts as follows: Salim Malik Rs. 10 lac Wasim Akram Rs. 3 lac Mushtaq Ahmad Rs. 3 lac Ata-ur-Rehman Rs. 1 lac Waqar Younis Rs. 1 lac Inzamam-ul-Haq Rs. 1 lac Akram Raza Rs. 1 lac Saeed Anwar Rs. 1 lac
At the current Rupee/US Dollar exchange rate, one 1 Lac (100,000 Pakistan Rupees) equates to approximately $ 1,640.
In April 2000, whilst investigating an unrelated matter, New Delhi Police were monitoring the telephone calls of an Indian national. They overheard a telephone conversation in which Hansie Cronjé was mentioned, and subsequently listened to him discussing match fixing.
The New Delhi Police launched an investigation centred on the association between Cronjé (and South African players), London based businessman Sanjay Chawla and two Indian bookmakers. In May 2000 the New Delhi Police charged Cronjé, Strydom, Gibbs and Bojé, in their absence, with cheating, fraud and criminal conspiracy.
Following the investigation by the New Delhi Police, which revealed that Cronjé had taken money from Indian bookmakers the Central Bureau of Investigation (CBI) instigated an inquiry.
Unlike previous inquiries, the CBI (whose investigations commenced in May 2000) actively sought out evidence, in contrast to hearing witnesses in a formal enquiry. They also utilised itemised telephone billing to prove associations. The CBI decided that first of all a broad enquiry was to be made to ascertain whether match fixing and other malpractices connected with the game of cricket existed. Accordingly, the following were fixed as focal points:
The CBI focused on the following:
* Identification of the betting syndicates operating in India and examine their activities.
* Unraveling of the linkages of cricket players or their intermediaries with these syndicates and their roles in the alleged malpractices; and
* Examination of the role and functions of Board of Control for Cricket in India so as to evaluate whether it could have prevented the alleged malpractices.
The CBI, like Qayyum, provided a definition of match fixing, which they interpreted as:
* Instances where an individual player or group of players received money individually/collectively to under-perform;
* Instances where a player placed bets in matches in which he played that would naturally undermine his performance;
* Instances where players passed on information to a betting syndicate about team composition, probable result, pitch condition, weather, etc.,
* Instances where grounds men were given money to prepare a pitch in a way which suited the betting syndicate; and
Instances of current and ex-players being used by bookies to gain access to Indian and foreign players to influence their performance for a monetary consideration.
The revelations about Cronjé, which will be referred to within the section relating to the King Commission, ultimately led to Mukesh Kumar Gupta (also known as MK and John), an Indian bookmaker. Gupta, who was one of many bookmakers and gamblers interviewed by the CBI, was the only one to admit to corrupting cricket players of various countries. He alleged he had paid players significant amounts of money for under-performing and match information
The investigation found that MK Gupta had become involved in illegal betting in the 1980's and in 1988 paid Ajay Sharma 2,000 rupees, having watched him play, as a token of his appreciation. Subsequently through Sharma, and later Manoj Prabhakar, Gupta alleged that he met many Indian and foreign international players. He gave evidence of large-scale corruption involving, amongst others, Azharuddin and Cronjé. He also named several non Indian players and alleged that they had been involved in cricket malpractice. The CBI did not have the jurisdiction to investigate the non- Indian players and although they named them in their report they did not carry out any investigation into these allegations.
After collecting evidence from players, officials, bookmakers, gamblers and others, the CBI commented that " At the very outset that the cricketing fraternity, generally speaking, maintained a 'conspiracy of silence' and were rarely forthcoming with any specific information relevant to the enquiry. Not a single player/ex-player/official etc., other than those who had made vague and general allegations in the media, volunteered any information to the CBI".
The CBI Report, published in November 2000, implicated Indian players, and officials, and non-Indian players. It also criticised the BCCI. The Solicitor General of India was in broad agreement with the findings of the CBI that no criminal charges could be filed against anyone.
The CBI criticised the Board of Control for Cricket in India for being negligent in response to allegations of match fixing and also criticised its structure and accountability. The Board has challenged these criticisms.
Following publication of the CBI Report the BCCI appointed Mr K. Madhaven to review the finding of the report and conduct inquiries on behalf of the BCCI with regard to Indian players and officials. On 5 December 2000, after Mr Madhaven had submitted his findings, the BCCI banned Mohammad Azharuddin and Ajay Sharma for life from playing any cricket matches conducted or authorised by the ICC/BCCI or affiliated association. Manoj Prabhakar, Ajay Jadeja and Dr Ali Irani were banned for 5 years in similar terms.
The CBI Report concluded that whilst small scale betting on cricket matches had been taking place in India for a long time, the advent of live television broadcasts led to an upswing in large scale betting. This coincided with India's victory in the 1983 World Cup. The CBI linked the current sophisticated nature and monetary scale of betting in India to organised crime with clear signals of 'Mafia' underworld involvement.
Following the Cronjé revelations, and his subsequent confession to officials of the United Cricket Board of South Africa (UCB), the authorities set up an Inquiry chaired by Judge Edwin King.
The Commission was established by the President of South Africa in terms of Section 84(2)(f) of the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa, (Act No 108 of 1996) as a Commission of Inquiry into Cricket Match Fixing and Related Matters (commonly referred to as the King Commission).
The Terms of Reference for the preliminary investigation were:
A.1. The disclosures made by the former South African cricket captain, Hansie Cronjé, that during the Triangular Tournament between South Africa, England and Zimbabwe in January and February 2000, he received payment of approximately $10,000-00 from a bookmaker.
A.2. Whether during the period 1 November 1999 – 17 April 2000, and excluding the matters referred to in paragraph 1, any member of the South African cricket team or team official received or was promised payment of any amount of money or other benefit (excluding salary, emoluments, sponsorship and other payments or benefits lawfully connected therewith) in relation to his or her functions as a member of the South African cricket team or as a team official.
A.3. Whether a proposal was made to the South African cricket team during its tour to India in 1996 that it forfeit or otherwise influence the result of a cricket match.
The Commission heard that on 7th April 2000 the UCB first became aware of allegations that Hansie Cronjé had been involved in match fixing, although it did not define its interpretation of match fixing. After initial denials to the UCB, Cronjé confessed to accepting money from bookmaker Sanjay Chawla for involvement in cricket malpractice involving the South African Team. Cronjè had been introduced to Chawla by South African based bookmaker Hamid Cassim.
The evidence revealed that Cronjé had approached several South African players in an apparently light hearted and jocular manner suggesting that money could be made by fixing the results of games. This was his way of sounding out his colleagues. In the main this was laughed off, but Herschelle Gibbs and Henry Williams were later to be embroiled in Cronjé's corruption.
During the CBI investigation Azharuddin had admitted that in December 1996 he had introduced Cronjé to the bookmaker M K Gupta during the South African tour to India. Gupta immediately propositioned Cronjé, who accepted $30,000 to ensure that South Africa lost the Third Test commencing the following day. Cronjé stated that he had subsequently done nothing to influence the outcome of this match, which India won.
About the same time Gupta made an offer to Cronjé for South Africa to lose a One Day International, initially being played for the benefit of Mohinder Amarnath, but subsequently converted into an official international match.
Cronjé approached several members of the South African Team and mentioned that he had received the offer that was dependant on the team playing badly in the ODI. The offer was reportedly in the region of $200,000 – $250,000 and Cronjé was later to indicate that the offer had been raised by $100,000. Following meetings, involving senior members and the team as a whole, the offer was rejected.
Their relationship ended in November 1997 after Cronjé rejected Gupta's corrupt proposals during the quadrangular series.
With Gupta off the scene it is alleged that in January 2000 Cronjé influenced the result of the 5th Test against England at Centurion Park. After the first days play, when South Africa was 155 for 6 at the close of play, days two, three and four had been affected by the weather. On the evening of the penultimate day's play Cronjé spoke to Marlon Aronstam, who was well versed in sports betting, who urged him to 'make a game of it'. On the last day it was agreed that South Africa would declare and leave England with a 'run race', a feat that they achieved. Aronstam had reportedly agreed to make a donation of R200,000 to a charity of Cronjé's choice (although Cronjé recalls the figure to be R500,000) if he could ensure a positive result for the fixture. At the current Rand/US Dollar exchange rate, R200,000 equates to approximately $24,000 and R500,000 to approximately $ 60,000.
Aronstam also testified that he had paid Cronjé R50,000 as an advance for future cooperation in relation to pitch reports.
The UCB subsequently banned Cronjé for life. On 28 August 2000 Gibbs and Williams were banned from international cricket for six months (ending 1 January 2001) and fined R60,000 and R10,000 respectively for accepting a $15,000 bribe offered by Cronjé to under-perform in an ODI at Nagpur earlier that year. However Gibbs and Williams were permitted to continue playing domestic cricket.
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So when you said "ALL the others found guilty of taking money", did you forget about Mark Waugh, Wasim Akram, Mushtaq Ahmed, Waqar Younis, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Akram Raza, Basit Ali, Saeed Anwar, Salim Malik, Ata-ur-Rehman, Inzamam-ul-Haq, Akram Raza, Strydom, Gibbs, Williams, Bojé, Ajay Sharma, Manoj Prabhakar, Ajay Jadeja, and Dr Ali Irani? None of them have received life bans.
I suppose Warne was only taking the "water pill" from his mum so he could look good on the telly also ?
That's something only he and a few select others will ever know. It makes no difference why he took it. He took it, he was caught, he was penalised.
Keep living in your 'there Aussies they cant be guilty" dreamworld
And you keep living in your bitter twisted "they're Aussies, they must get harsher penalties than anyone else" world.
Here's a hypothetical for you - if a Sri Lankan or Pakistani cricketer was taking a banned substance, what penalty would they get from their country's cricket board?
I doubt it, I reckon every girl he passed in the street will see the opportunity for the 5 mins of fame and a rise on their dole cheque.
Where's that South African beast - what was it that Hookesy call her again?
Hookesy called her something like "a dopey hairy backed sheila." South African woman Helen Cohen Alon was jailed for extortion last year for seeking hush money from a Warne associate about the time she went public with claims the cricketer had pestered her for sex in 2002.
And a year later, Gold Coast man Christopher Kent was found guilty and fined for attempting to blackmail CA. He had asked for $5000 for his silence over claims Warne had kissed Kent's 15-year-old niece.
Warne's been very slow in working out that he's the target for anyone after their 5 mins of fame and fortune, and this sort of publicity will follow him.
Huge contrast with Warne, he's a smart player on the field while off the field his personal life is just chaos.
And you keep living in your bitter twisted "they're Aussies, they must get harsher penalties than anyone else" world.
Despite quoting a whole website the fact remains, all other world cricketers found guilty of taking money directly from illegal bookmakers never played the game again !
Waugh and Warne did, with a fine which was interestingly not significantly different to the amount of money they took (one being in US$ the fine being in Au$).
As for the quote above yeah right ! Warne did not take illegal drugs, did not take money from illegal bookmakers , did not rough up a young NZ kid because he was caught smoking and would lose sponsorship revenue, did not break his own teams code of ethics by numerous seedy affairs
ITS ALL IN MY IMAGINATION
wake up and smell the roses !
Freo Big Fella
27 Jun 2005, 09:54
Sure;
Cronje, Iqbal & Azharuddin
IE All the other players proven to have taken money from illegal bookmakers
What an absolute load of Twaddle. There's two levels involved here. Cronje, Malik, Azhruddin, Jadeja and Iqbal were all involved in MATCH FIXING(i.e. The deliberate orchestration of the result). Cronje was the kingpin, whilst the other four were responsible for working on their own teams. This was serious enough to warrant a lifetime ban. Gibbs and Boje can probably be included here as well, although their offences were not serious enough to earn a lifetime ban (due to their involvement being minor).
Warne, Waugh, Alec Stewart and a few others that I can't recall at the moment (I was living in England at the time,the Times did a massive special edition on the Condon report and published the full list), divulged weather, pitch and selection information to bookies, while that's not particularly Kosher, it's not nearly as serious as what the actual match fixers did and did not affect the conduct of the games they played.
What an absolute load of Twaddle. There's two levels involved here
Yep your right one involves Australian players 'who can do no wrong' and the other involves foreign players.
I am with you now Warne is not a twice proven cheat (drugs & betting) he is just unlucky !
And we have the front to call the poms whingeing !!!!
Despite quoting a whole website the fact remains, all other world cricketers found guilty of taking money directly from illegal bookmakers never played the game again !
That's just garbage, you’re trolling. The difference has comprehensively been pointed out to you. You are choosing to ignore it. People get convicted of the same crimes all the time and get different sentences. The players involved aren’t even convicted of the same crime. You are just keeping your definition artificially wide enough to satisfy your grudge.
According to your argument someone who steels a bar of soap from a hotel room should face the same punishment as someone who robs a bank.
Why am I even bothered replying to this, you’re not interested in logic. You’ll say that the sky is bright purple if it suits your argument
No fair enough i realise my error now, Warne is not a twice convicted cheat with a litany of other nasty incidents
He is a good bloke, who has been picked on !
Earth to Mars, Earth to Mars
Earth to Mars, Earth to Mars, you’re a troll.
Earth to Mars, Earth to Mars, you’re a troll.
Ahh because i dont agree with you hmmm
Also why wasn't it reported when another Australian player was left at the Alter after his fiancee discovered some interesting text messages. The media never jumped on that story.
Are you referring to Shane Watson? I thought his missus left him for that Dancing Queen Tom Williams, who was obviously giving her an absolute caning during filming of Dancing of the Stars?
Despite quoting a whole website the fact remains, all other world cricketers found guilty of taking money directly from illegal bookmakers never played the game again !
Get a dictionary, and find out what the word "all" means before you use it again.
Waugh and Warne did, with a fine which was interestingly not significantly different to the amount of money they took (one being in US$ the fine being in Au$).
Yes, they were fined. Other players have been fined, reprimanded, suspended from playing. Why do you insist that Warne should be given a life ban, but none of these other?
Warne did not take illegal drugs
That's true. Diuretics are not illegal. Their use does contravene the ICC's rules, however, for which Warne was penalised.
Cannabis is an illegal drug. Did you call for a life ban for Phil Tufnell? (And god knows how many others)
did not take money from illegal bookmakers
Yes he did, and was penalised for this.
did not rough up a young NZ kid because he was caught smoking and would lose sponsorship revenue, did not break his own teams code of ethics by numerous seedy affairs
He did do those things. Are you suggesting they are actions which should carry a life ban from cricket?
That's true. Diuretics are not illegal. Their use does contravene the ICC's rules, however, for which Warne was penalised.
He did do those things. Are you suggesting they are actions which should carry a life ban from cricket?
Diuretics are illegal "in Sport" according to the WDA & almost without exception every national sporting body. They carry a very heavy penalty because they are a masking agent for many other illegal drugs.
The ACB/CA did not enforce the WDA prescribed penalty for some strange reason ? Choosing instead to give a much lesser penalty
Apart from all his other indiscretions, Yes i do suggest that a drug and betting cheat be banned from the Australian cricket team (by our own governing body). Clearly others dont agree. I, as aproud Australian, do not want a twice proven cheat who consistenly breaks the players own code of conduct representing my national side, maybe that makes me a minority ?
I dont see any point in having a code of conduct if an exceptionally talented player can continue to break that code ? I am not so sure if it was a fringe player the same rules would apply ?
Diuretics are illegal "in Sport" according to the WDA & almost without exception every national sporting body. They carry a very heavy penalty because they are a masking agent for many other illegal drugs.
The ACB/CA did not enforce the WDA prescribed penalty for some strange reason ? Choosing instead to give a much lesser penalty
The panel decided against invoking the full two year ban because the drug would have had no performance-enhancing effect, there was no evidence that Warne was using the diuretic to mask steroid use, and that medical opinion stated that steroids would have not have enhanced Warne's recovery or assisted his game in any case.
That's why a "maximum" penalty is set rather than just a blanket penalty to apply to all regardless of the individual circumstances of the case - to allow some differentiation between cases. Some cases are wrose than others.
Apart from all his other indiscretions, Yes i do suggest that a drug and betting cheat be banned from the Australian cricket team
He has been penalised for both offences. Even if he HAD been given the maximum penalty for the diuretic use, he'd be eligible to play again by now.
The panel decided against invoking the full two year ban because the drug would have had no performance-enhancing effect, there was no evidence that Warne was using the diuretic to mask steroid use, and that medical opinion stated that steroids would have not have enhanced Warne's recovery or assisted his game in any case.
That's why a "maximum" penalty is set rather than just a blanket penalty to apply to all regardless of the individual circumstances of the case - to allow some differentiation between cases. Some cases are wrose than others.
He has been penalised for both offences. Even if he HAD been given the maximum penalty for the diuretic use, he'd be eligible to play again by now.
That is laughable, the whole point in taking masking agents is because there is then no evidence of steroid or other illegal drug use.
On that point ask any sports doctor if anabolic steroids would help build muscle mass around a chronic shoulder injury facilitating an early return to action ? Strangely, at the time, Warne was trying to return from a chronic shoulder injury when his mum gave him a "water pill" so he looked good on the telly !
The WDA does not have, minimum or maximum penalties for drug use especially diuretics (because of their known masking effects) they have 'statutory' penalties which the ACB/CA chose to ignore, giving their own lesser penalty.
Clearly you cannot differentiate between his undoubted cricket talent and his suitability to represent his country
Pointless discussing in the circumstances
On that point ask any sports doctor if anabolic steroids would help build muscle mass around a chronic shoulder injury facilitating an early return to action ?
Funnily enough, that's exactly what they did, and the doctors said that in Warne's case the use of steroids would have been of no benefit to his recovery.
Maybe they should have asked you instead, you seem to know more about it than anyone else.
Clearly you cannot differentiate between his undoubted cricket talent and his suitability to represent his country
Clearly you can't get past the fact that you don't like him to allow him to have the same rules as everybody else.
And while we are sort of on the subject, it is absolutely ridiculous that Keith Piper has been banned by the ECB then suspended by Warwickshire for testing positive to cannabis.
Cricket should stick to cricket issues and keep away from being moral guardians. Wowserism gone mad.
If everyone who'd ever taken drugs or been under the influence of alcohol at work was sacked, the world would be a very much sicker place.
Performance enhancing drugs are a different issue.
BUBBALOUIS
27 Jun 2005, 14:34
Despite quoting a whole website the fact remains, all other world cricketers found guilty of taking money directly from illegal bookmakers never played the game again !
wake up and smell the roses !
herschelle gibbs played again ..... if your going to state things as facts , at least do a little research
Cameron_K
27 Jun 2005, 15:34
Are you referring to Shane Watson? I thought his missus left him for that Dancing Queen Tom Williams, who was obviously giving her an absolute caning during filming of Dancing of the Stars?
Nope not Watson, This is a player firmly placed in the Australian side.
Nope not Watson, This is a player firmly placed in the Australian side.
It was a South African woman leaving text messages on his phone. His fiancee found them.
He is a batsman.
MrChristo
27 Jun 2005, 15:59
Did anyone else notice that on the cover of the Hun, the photo of the chick laying down has a mobile phone in the top left corner! :D
Luck, set-up, or a 'clever' edit?...In the same photo in the Hobart Mercury it's nowhere to be seen.... :p
(And I think we at least all agree that right or wrong, his choices of women leaves a lot to be desired :o )
The Magenius
27 Jun 2005, 16:04
Nope not Watson, This is a player firmly placed in the Australian side.
ohh i just love cricket trivia.
by firmly entrenched I presume you mean in both the ODI and test teams.
ummmm
*well its not lee or symonds because i know symonds has been engaged for like 3 years and I know ha has slept with other women in the last few years.
* lee is not engaged.
*Ponting is married, so is gilly, kasper, haydos, mcgrath and dizzy.
*clarke has a GF
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Leaving bachelor Martyo ????
The Magenius
27 Jun 2005, 16:06
Did not Nicky Boje also play a role in a indian $$$ related matter. This is also the reason they both do not tour india, as they are affraid of being arrested ???
Gibbs the same guy caught smoking pot with teammates in the windies a few years ago, jeez he is worse than warney.
herschelle gibbs played again ..... if your going to state things as facts , at least do a little research
That is funny, maybe reread what i said and then see who has correct facts :)
It was a South African woman leaving text messages on his phone. His fiancee found them.
He is a batsman.
A Sandgroper, now residing in Melbourne.
tortured_soul
28 Jun 2005, 18:18
Fwiw wat Warney does in his spare time is none of my business, if he wants to get his leg over with people that arent his now ex wife, thats his call.
Its a matter for him and her to discuss(in the company of their lawyers, i presume now)
So long as he does the business for Australia on the pitch and helps Australia to win the Ashes, that is all that matters to me.
The other outside stuff is a matter that only Shane and his family are unfortunately lumped with through his actions and some hairy backed shiela's of course :p
utility
28 Jun 2005, 20:14
Monogamy is not natural. Sleeping with other women is. People break up. I don't understand why it is such a fuss... I guess it sells papers.
celtic_pride
29 Jun 2005, 15:13
Shane Warne might be a great cricketer, but as a bloke
He's lower than a cockroach :eek:
Disgraceful father/husband etc.
I hope Mrs Warne gets all his money in the settlement etc for what she's put with the buffoon over the years.
Ipaidmy200in89
29 Jun 2005, 16:12
Shane Warne might be a great cricketer, but as a bloke
He's lower than a cockroach :eek:
Disgraceful father/husband etc.
I hope Mrs Warne gets all his money in the settlement etc for what she's put with the buffoon over the years.
what if I told you they have a very open relationship and that she too has been exercising her rights as part of a open relationship?
orange_jaffas
30 Jun 2005, 12:22
Firstly, why are there so many ppl who believe the tripe that the british press have published?
Secondly, It sounds like that it is all an act of utter stupidity. Why doesn't the press over in the UK show any respect to the Royal family or to the Australian cricketers? Because they are completely rude and thoughtless snobs. :mad:
bunsen burner
30 Jun 2005, 12:30
that's where the story falls in a heap (RE: Pieterson).
At first i thought "warnie what you done now champ?" but after reading into it more it seems to me that there is a beat up of extreme proportions going on.
They're claiming that he was on a double date with Kevin Pieterson?? Well that's fine, but i just can't buy into that given it's pretty widely said Pieterson is one of the most disliked cricketers in the professional ranks (he left his county side because no one would talk to him any more). And one of KP's biggest detractors (not his cricket skills, but as a person) is Warney himself.
Warney may have done this (who really cares anyway, as someone said "only his missus should") but the fact they're throwing KP into the story makes me sceptical as everything as i understand it says KP is one of the last guys Warne would find himself with 1-on-1 in a social situation.Hampshire team mates and buddies.
Firstly, why are there so many ppl who believe the tripe that the british press have published?
Secondly, It sounds like that it is all an act of utter stupidity. Why doesn't the press over in the UK show any respect to the Royal family or to the Australian cricketers? Because they are completely rude and thoughtless snobs. :mad:
Warne's off field actions are well documented Suzi, it comes as no surprise that he is up to old tricks again.
orange_jaffas
30 Jun 2005, 12:36
Warne's off field actions are well documented Suzi, it comes as no surprise that he is up to old tricks again.
I don't believe that all these women would really go after Shane to break stories like this.
I know that they are well documented, sealen, However, the press who have done this in the past should show a little respect than being their rude selves.
According to other sources, Warney doesn't even own a mobile phone. So how could those women be texting warney when he doesn't own a mobile?
It is plain rubbish.
I don't believe that all these women would really go after Shane to break stories like this.
I know that they are well documented, sealen, However, the press who have done this in the past should show a little respect than being their rude selves.
According to other sources, Warney doesn't even own a mobile phone. So how could those women be texting warney when he doesn't own a mobile?
It is plain rubbish.
Most women are nothing but air heads who just want to attach themselves on the end of a knob of a rich/powerful/influential person. Do you think they broke these stories without being financially rewarded?
orange_jaffas
30 Jun 2005, 13:52
Most women are nothing but air heads who just want to attach themselves on the end of a knob of a rich/powerful/influential person. Do you think they broke these stories without being financially rewarded?
No. I think that they want to be famous or rather infamous with everyone else.
FFS it is time that the press showed respect to all famous ppl whether they are from an overseas country or not.
I could imagine the Royal Family reading the newspaper at breakfast and seeing all the lies, and other stupid things in the press.
I am pretty sure that the press wouldn't do it to one of their employees or their employer at all.
A Sandgroper, now residing in Melbourne.
cheers, my memory isn't too brilliant.
No. I think that they want to be famous or rather infamous with everyone else.
FFS it is time that the press showed respect to all famous ppl whether they are from an overseas country or not.
I could imagine the Royal Family reading the newspaper at breakfast and seeing all the lies, and other stupid things in the press.
I am pretty sure that the press wouldn't do it to one of their employees or their employer at all.
Who cares what the Royal Family read? Pfft. Royals. No sympathy for them.