View Full Version : Why Australia will win the Ashes.....
Black Thunder
21 Jun 2005, 13:55
England will give them a big challenge, but ultimately class will rule over a 5-day game of cricket.
Four losses in a week - not exactly an inspiring start to the tour but the only loss of any big concern was the one againt Bangladesh. 20/20 cricket is irrelevant, Somerset's victory was on the back of two huge innings from Graeme Smith and Sanath Jayasuriya - although losing when defending 340-odd and still having the opposition 6/290 is not acceptable. While losing to England in a one-day game is not the end of the world.
Losing to Bangladesh though??? Not good at all.
We also have to put into relevance the Australian preperation - this is the warm of for their tour. They haven't even played cricket in 5-6 weeks. Why do teams have 5-6 or even more touring games before the tests start?? Because match practise, especially in the country, is essential.
How many times have we seen touring sides come here, lose to state second XI's and then give an extremely good account of themselves in the test matches - maybe they don't win, but teams always rise for the test matches.
Personally don't care about the ODI's but watch Australia rise when the test matches come round. THey'll have to, to beat this England team, and they will.
Cooldude
21 Jun 2005, 14:18
If McGrath and Warne bowl well, (Which they will), then Australia's a different side
ODI, they only have one champion bowler in McGrath, the rest at the moment are out of form (Mind you, haven't seen Lee yet)
Dizzy will come good, he's in his worst form slump for 5 years. He's a great bowler, we know what he can do, it's a matter of time.
Come the Test matches, this Aus bowling attack will be more comfortable, as they're more suited to the longer version. The likes of Mcgrath, Dizzy, Kasper bowling line and length stuff and nipping the ball around, the England batsmen proved even in the last ODI that they can't fully cope with that.
Then there's Warne, England still has a big weakness against wrist spin bowling
Aus's problems lie with the batting, Ponting has to pull the finger out in both his captaincy and batting. Gilly will be more comfortable at 7, and Lang's early form will be crucial. If they can combat Harmison, Flintoff and Jones, then that's a long way to winning the Ashes
PowerKop
21 Jun 2005, 15:12
We have to remember that most of the Aussies (mainly bowlers) havn't played a lot of competitive cricket for a couple of months, while the Poms would have had heaps of cricket, both county and international. Its going to take a few games before some of the Aussies find their form again. One dayers aren't the best for this, but will help.
I'm confident we'll win the one day series too. Its just a minor hicup that we're suffering from at the moment.
bullish23
21 Jun 2005, 16:00
I think the key to this years Ashes is Australia's top order - Hayden, Langer and Ponting. If these three fire then Australia won't be beaten. If 2 of the 3 have ordinary series then we are in trouble.
Prentice
21 Jun 2005, 16:01
I am still pretty confident that we will win the Ashes as well.
I am not so sure if we will win the One Day Series though - This could be another catalyst for some major changes to the One Day Side ala that series at Home were we did not make the finals which lead to Waugh been dumped as Captain and new blood been brought in.
I think the Australian team is concentrating on the Ashes as really it is what its all about for the team. The fact that we are also playing their so-called "gun" players like Harmison and Peteirson now means that we should be ready for them in the test series and hopefully unlike England we are holding some tactics etc back for the Ashes.
I think in the end our teams experience and talent will show through and it will be 4-1.
johnnyhoward
21 Jun 2005, 16:20
I'm not writing off Australia in the one dayers yet, we should still win the triangular series, because Bangladesh will not win another game. As for the one day series against England, they will be desperate for at least some glory and may take out the series in a close one I feel, but they won't have anything left for the Test series, which we should win, my guess is 3-1.
spring6
21 Jun 2005, 17:20
I personally love ODI and would love to win them, and anyway I hate losing to the poms in anything. The Ashes are clearly more important but I am still holding out hope for thursday.
year of the roo
21 Jun 2005, 18:10
I'm confident we'll win the one day series too. Its just a minor hicup that we're suffering from at the moment.
That is wishful thinking. We will be lucky to make the final at this rate, and if we do, we will not beat England.
Tiberius
21 Jun 2005, 20:01
Australia's two best one day players over the past year have been Symonds and Lee, and neither of them played on the weekend. But we won't use that as an excuse. Still, Australia put in its worst two performances since before the last world cup, the bowlers were clearly short of a gallop and a couple of the top order are looking for some serious time in the middle. And yet it took two freakish performances from England players to beat them. Australia still really should have won the game if not for Pieterson.
Don't get carried away with the loss, the Aussies are still a superior side by quite a margin.
As for the test matches, don't start losing sleep from an Aussie perspective.
eddiesmith
21 Jun 2005, 20:47
Unbloodybelievable
You people are so arrogant and blind, can I just ask 1 favour, please dont go missing during the test series
punter257
21 Jun 2005, 20:47
we'll fight back for sure and prove who the best team is in the proper game
Just had a look at the fixture. If I read it correctly, there are two one day series.
The triangular tournament with the Bangers (with no final) and then another 3 just against England. Is this correct?
pomcrow
21 Jun 2005, 21:45
Just had a look at the fixture. If I read it correctly, there are two one day series.
The triangular tournament with the Bangers (with no final) and then another 3 just against England. Is this correct?
Yep. The final three are pointless though. Once the current series is out of the way, people will just want to get on with the real stuff.
I've said this to many aussies - dont belive our tabloid media!
If we (the poms) win the English tabloids (BBC and broadsheets are not entirely faultless though) say - "best side in the world, blah blah", and if we lose its "English cricket is on its knees, we dont like it anyway, wheres the next soccer rape story coming from?
Most England cricket fans, take the ODI's for what they are - a warm up. If we win them, fantastic, but if we lose then it's not entirely the end of the summer.
No-ones cares the we thrashed you in 1997 ODI's. Everyone just remembers who went off with ashes. :mad: again.
Freo Big Fella
21 Jun 2005, 21:55
Unbloodybelievable
You people are so arrogant and blind, can I just ask 1 favour, please dont go missing during the test series
You're the worst kind of maggot.
Fred Yeomans
21 Jun 2005, 21:56
Just had a look at the fixture. If I read it correctly, there are two one day series.
The triangular tournament with the Bangers (with no final) and then another 3 just against England. Is this correct?
The Triangular tournament has a final - on 2 July
Triangular tournament (http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005/OD_TOURNEYS/NWS/)
The Triangular tournament has a final - on 2 July
Triangular tournament (http://aus.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/2005/OD_TOURNEYS/NWS/)
Cool thanks
How sad would it be if the Aussies lost all 3 to England, won the obligatory 2 against the Bangers and smashed England in the final
i think england r an underated side (especially by aussies) and i think theyll give australia a run for there money they hav a very strong team in harmison, peiterson ,straus ,collingwood and more. i think australia will hav a hard time
Adelaide Hawk
24 Jun 2005, 16:06
i think england r an underated side (especially by aussies) and i think theyll give australia a run for there money they hav a very strong team in harmison, peiterson ,straus ,collingwood and more. i think australia will hav a hard time
The reason Australia has been so successful over the years is because they DON'T underestimate opponents. They will do their homework on England just as they have with every other team, and I expect them to be too good once again.
Registered User
13 Sep 2005, 02:07
England will give them a big challenge, but ultimately class will rule over a 5-day game of cricket.
.....but teams always rise for the test matches.
watch Australia rise when the test matches come round. THey'll have to, to beat this England team, and they will.hee hee hee hee hee hee :D
:roflmao:
Renegade
13 Sep 2005, 02:12
HAHAHAHAHAHA typical arrogant Aussies, many of these threads will be brought back up this week :D
eddiesmith
13 Sep 2005, 02:13
There are just so many to find though :D
Registered User
13 Sep 2005, 02:14
There are just so many to find though :DI want to see more. :D
found any?
eddiesmith
13 Sep 2005, 02:19
Maybe we should bring up the threads during the one dayers where everyone said wait till the real stuff starts
Actually should be some sensational threads from after Lords test as well
I want someone to find me Jaymins thread saying 5-0
Renegade
13 Sep 2005, 02:19
I'll go bump a cracker for you now :D
Max zero
13 Sep 2005, 02:27
It's funny these are not bumped till the last session, on the last day, on the last test match. Real confidence there.
Apart from Eddie I don't remember any of you bandwagoners bumping this after the first test.
Opinion of Eddie = rising (believe it or not)
Opinion of bandwagoners = unchanged (ie zero)
Renegade
13 Sep 2005, 02:33
awww please love me Max...i deperately seek your e-respect :rolleyes:
Registered User
13 Sep 2005, 02:34
It's funny these are not bumped till the last session, on the last day, on the last test match. Real confidence there.
Apart from Eddie I don't remember any of you bandwagoners bumping this after the first test.
Opinion of Eddie = rising (believe it or not)
Opinion of bandwagoners = unchanged (ie zero)
Well, I did start the below thread on the 23 of July predicting some crumbling :p
"I told yooz our bogans would crumble when they faced some real bowling"
http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3580646#post3580646
eddiesmith
13 Sep 2005, 02:39
It's funny these are not bumped till the last session, on the last day, on the last test match. Real confidence there.
Apart from Eddie I don't remember any of you bandwagoners bumping this after the first test.
Opinion of Eddie = rising (believe it or not)
Opinion of bandwagoners = unchanged (ie zero)
Well it is more fun when the result is final and you can laugh. Its like those pre season ladders being bumped in rd 20 or later
Max zero
13 Sep 2005, 02:39
Not really you' re just a bandwagoner.
If we had won I know Eddie would still be posting.
I bet you wouldn't.
*edit* directed at Renegade