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fred cook
14 Jul 2005, 23:49
Should Jade Rawlings ask to be traded at the end of the season?
In my opinion it seems Rodney and the match committee are not great fans of his,he mighten have the greatest form but I think Patrick Bowden and Bandy are getting a better go then Jade. Anyway what do you all think?
bulldogrob
14 Jul 2005, 23:51
Jade is a hack. Just a average backmen as Rocket has said. Hes on too much money , but its our fault for trading him. In the end fakes get found out and he has.
Dry Rot
14 Jul 2005, 23:52
2005 = developmental year
2006 = transitional year (NB talls) + hopefully finals?
Think we still need him, and I think his knee has been playing up recently.
Don't think we have the luxury of discarding experienced talls for 2006.
Dry Rot
14 Jul 2005, 23:53
Jade is a hack. Just a average backmen as Rocket has said. Hes on too much money , but its our fault for trading him. In the end fakes get found out and he has.
Bit harsh - had a knee op during the break.
The_Bulldogs_Bite
14 Jul 2005, 23:57
He's played ONE good game for us. Round 1 of last year. You could argue he had a few games after that where he kicked poorly - but as the saying goes "bad kicking is bad football" ... thus - he's played only one good game for us.
Trade him if we can. Thing is, no one is going to want him.
bulldogrob
14 Jul 2005, 23:57
Bit harsh - had a knee op during the break.
Answer my question then.'
Is he worth the money we are paying him?
Crow-mosone
15 Jul 2005, 00:00
Answer my question then.'
Is he worth the money we are paying him?
whose fault is that?
Dry Rot
15 Jul 2005, 00:04
whose fault is that?
Best talk to Newport & Rohde about that, but I for one was really really keen at the time.
Anyway, all the Hawks guys told us he was a good backman, not a forward.
Stafford678
15 Jul 2005, 00:06
yep and you guys didnt trade for him you chose him over nick stevens in the pre season draft, i know you blokes have decent midfielders but i think everyone else would have taken stevens no questions asked, rawlings has allways been a good ordinary footballer was never going to be the answer to the doggies foward needs
stugutz
15 Jul 2005, 01:10
yep and you guys didnt trade for him you chose him over nick stevens in the pre season draft, i know you blokes have decent midfielders but i think everyone else would have taken stevens no questions asked, rawlings has allways been a good ordinary footballer was never going to be the answer to the doggies foward needs
1. Stevens said he would not come to the Bulldogs.
2. Jade is a great guy but finished as a footballer.
3. Jade is paid to much. His great luck our baad luck. Norths GREAT luck.
4. Noone will want to give us anything for him.
Dog Town
15 Jul 2005, 11:52
yep and you guys didnt trade for him you chose him over nick stevens in the pre season draft, i know you blokes have decent midfielders but i think everyone else would have taken stevens no questions asked, rawlings has allways been a good ordinary footballer was never going to be the answer to the doggies foward needsI wouldn't have taken Stevens.He is probably on even more than Rawlings and to be honest we just dont need him.Struggling at Carlton at the moment.
Dog Town
15 Jul 2005, 11:59
He's played ONE good game for us. Round 1 of last year. You could argue he had a few games after that where he kicked poorly - but as the saying goes "bad kicking is bad football" ... thus - he's played only one good game for us.
Trade him if we can. Thing is, no one is going to want him.You and I must have different interpretations of what a good game is.Apart from the fact that he played numerous good games last season he also held his opponent to no impact in two recent games this season.I would say if you beat your opponent then you have had a good game.Last year he kicked 4 straight against the blues at optus and took over 10 marks against the Bombers,Pies and Dees (second time around).There were a fair few solid games in between those examples as well.Dont exaggerate how bad he has been just because you dont like him.
tha dogfather
15 Jul 2005, 12:22
I think when we think of him as a bad player it's relative to: a) the amount of money he's on and b) the high hopes we all had for him. If we picked him up for 100k expecting a "solid defender" we would probably be reasonably satisfied but the truth he hasn't lived up to expectations. Thankfully his 4th year contract is performance based.
stefoid
15 Jul 2005, 12:23
Rawlings has to get his knees right, obviously he has some degenerative condition, but thats the choice HE made when he refused Hawthorns two year deal. He made the choice to bugger his knees and go for big bucks to finish his career off in 4 years and set himself up for life after footy.
Having made that decision and we came to the party, it is time for him to deliver. Is he out there doing kicking practice every night like a tredrea or lloyd? he should be...
The club could bite the bullet and trade him and pay half his salary. That would free up $200K or so to add to a warchest to get a real decent forward like a Kosi from St Kilda or something. Paying $200K for nobody is better than $400K for a weribee player, isnt it?
INSIGHT
15 Jul 2005, 12:30
I wouldn't have taken Stevens.He is probably on even more than Rawlings and to be honest we just dont need him.Struggling at Carlton at the moment.
not forget we not only passed on stevens we lost keppler bradley at pick 6 which we gave to the hawks who then gave it to the bombers for jacobs
stugutz
15 Jul 2005, 12:32
I think when we think of him as a bad player it's relative to: a) the amount of money he's on and b) the high hopes we all had for him. If we picked him up for 100k expecting a "solid defender" we would probably be reasonably satisfied but the truth he hasn't lived up to expectations. Thankfully his 4th year contract is performance based.
Main problem. He is not even a solid defender after 1.5 seasons.
Dog Town
15 Jul 2005, 12:32
Rawlings has to get his knees right, obviously he has some degenerative condition, but thats the choice HE made when he refused Hawthorns two year deal. He made the choice to bugger his knees and go for big bucks to finish his career off in 4 years and set himself up for life after footy.
Having made that decision and we came to the party, it is time for him to deliver. Is he out there doing kicking practice every night like a tredrea or lloyd? he should be...
The club could bite the bullet and trade him and pay half his salary. That would free up $200K or so to add to a warchest to get a real decent forward like a Kosi from St Kilda or something. Paying $200K for nobody is better than $400K for a weribee player, isnt it?The reality is that it is going to be extremely hard for him to get his knees right.Once you start getting operations mid season (which he has done over the last two seasons) as well as at the end of the season you are pretty much on the way down.He might play in patches where he can get them right but the wear and tear is going to continue to plague him.
The only team that might want Rawlings is North and I have my doubts over whether they would be willing to help with our mess after what we did to them.I also doubt Cam Rose would be willing to let us spend 200k on top of the cap.Could be the difference between us making a profit or not next season.
Dog Town
15 Jul 2005, 12:39
not forget we not only passed on stevens we lost keppler bradley at pick 6 which we gave to the hawks who then gave it to the bombers for jacobsYeah I know I am just saying Stevens is no great loss IMO.
Kepler Bradley looks a decent prospect but he hasn't made it yet.Not all that sure that Clayton rated him anyway.May well have taken Tenace or Raph Clarke.I agree that we have certainly come out on the wrong side of this but I think the money we are paying Rawlings is more of an issue than what we missed out on to get him.Stevens is no better than the likes of Guido and Cross but would have cost a ridiculous figure.The draft pick is probably a bit more costly but theres a bit of guess work involved with that as well.
stefoid
15 Jul 2005, 12:40
The reality is that it is going to be extremely hard for him to get his knees right.Once you start getting operations mid season (which he has done over the last two seasons) as well as at the end of the season you are pretty much on the way down.He might play in patches where he can get them right but the wear and tear is going to continue to plague him.
The only team that might want Rawlings is North and I have my doubts over whether they would be willing to help with our mess after what we did to them.I also doubt Cam Rose would be willing to let us spend 200k on top of the cap.Could be the difference between us making a profit or not next season.
we have a few blokes retiring, remember: koops + harrison must be on a bit, plus we could trade <cough>leton.
Dog Town
15 Jul 2005, 12:50
we have a few blokes retiring, remember: koops + harrison must be on a bit, plus we could trade <cough>leton. Not sure how it all works but we dont know how much they have already taken that into account when looking after the new contracts of Cooney and Ray.Koops was rumoured to be on good money and this coughleton you speak of is also rumoured to be on good money.Really we just dont know enough to make these kind of judgements.The fact that Smorgon actually commented on Grant would suggest that us having enough space in our cap to attract a decent big man is pretty dependent on him retiring.
I hope Grant doesn't retire.He was having a great year at CHB before injury and it would harm our prospects for next year if he were to retire.The other thing to take into consideration is the type of players that could be on offer.For all we know this year may be a terrible year to be trading for KPP and then next year 2 or 3 stars might become available.
There is still 7 rounds left and I am sure the landscape will change again by the end of the season.Very early to have so many trade threads going.Still more intersted in the rest of the season than what will happen after it.
Tracey_gow
15 Jul 2005, 14:31
Jade is hack plain and simple
but he is looking better down back now
PuzzledfromParkville
15 Jul 2005, 14:41
The reality is that it is going to be extremely hard for him to get his knees right.Once you start getting operations mid season (which he has done over the last two seasons) as well as at the end of the season you are pretty much on the way down.He might play in patches where he can get them right but the wear and tear is going to continue to plague him.
The only team that might want Rawlings is North and I have my doubts over whether they would be willing to help with our mess after what we did to them.I also doubt Cam Rose would be willing to let us spend 200k on top of the cap.Could be the difference between us making a profit or not next season.
If we commit to paying a portion of the salary of any player we trade to another club this comes out of our salary cap, not on top of it, so we would not be spending any extra money than the actual cap value
gridlocked
15 Jul 2005, 14:43
Geez have a listen to some of you.
Jade is not a hack like some of you have suggested and in fact he is actually a good footballer, but is currently out of form and stuggling with his knees.
stugutz
15 Jul 2005, 14:52
Geez have a listen to some of you.
Jade is not a hack like some of you have suggested and in fact he is actually a good footballer, but is currently out of form and stuggling with his knees.
Facts are facts. In a season and ahalf...
How many games has he walked away from and said I won today. I beat my opponent?
How many games has he walked away and said I broke even?
How many games has he walked away and said I lost?
If he has played 30 games for us. My gut feel would be 1,5,24 He has been a woefull hack.
gridlocked
15 Jul 2005, 15:00
Facts are facts. In a season and ahalf...
How many games has he walked away from and said I won today. I beat my opponent?
How many games has he walked away and said I broke even?
How many games has he walked away and said I lost?
If he has played 30 games for us. My gut feel would be 1,5,24 He has been a woefull hack.
Disagree with your assessment of his performances. I believe that some Bulldogs supporters here are a bit harsh when it comes to Jade.
If I were to assess his performaces I would say that in the games that he has played for the Doggies he would have broke even in most, with a few really good and bad games.
I do admit that we may be overpaying for Jade, but for you to suggest that he is a woefull hack is just plain ridiculous.
stugutz
15 Jul 2005, 15:33
Disagree with your assessment of his performances. I believe that some Bulldogs supporters here are a bit harsh when it comes to Jade.
If I were to assess his performaces I would say that in the games that he has played for the Doggies he would have broke even in most, with a few really good and bad games.
I do admit that we may be overpaying for Jade, but for you to suggest that he is a woefull hack is just plain ridiculous.
He is not up to AFL standard. That is why he is running around the VFL. Could, Should but didn't is his mantra. We make a lot of escuses for the guy because he is paid heaps. He makes Harrison look great.
stefoid
15 Jul 2005, 16:24
Geez have a listen to some of you.
Jade is not a hack like some of you have suggested and in fact he is actually a good footballer, but is currently out of form and stuggling with his knees.
more importantly to us, he is not a forward. a forward is what we wanted, not a third tall defender.
amnesiac
15 Jul 2005, 16:32
jade would be on simliar money to that of nathan brown when he played for us. his "big money" contract wouldn't have hurt us too badly on the salary cap and im sure had we not arranged to get him, we would have picked someone else up in that bracket.
he has been poor since coming here, however many people both on this board and in the community exagerate this poor form. he has played a maybe 5-6 good games in two years, and quite a few break even type games.
it was the right move at the time, and i dont think anyone should hold it against jade. he wanted to go to the roo's and it was through our meddling that he ended up here. he tries his best and you can't hold it against him.
would only trade him for another tall and perhaps offer another pick to sweeten the deal but its not going to happen. a club would only want him if they could get him at a bargain price. hes worth more to us as a defender even if his form is suspect, it is no worse than a few other players running around at the moment.
stefoid
15 Jul 2005, 16:37
hes costing us money that he isnt earning however. he might be worth $200K a year to another club, but he isnt worth $400K with his current form.
trade him back to hawthorn - stranger things have happened.
scooter600x
15 Jul 2005, 16:42
jade would be on simliar money to that of nathan brown when he played for us. his "big money" contract wouldn't have hurt us too badly on the salary cap and im sure had we not arranged to get him, we would have picked someone else up in that bracket.
he has been poor since coming here, however many people both on this board and in the community exagerate this poor form. he has played a maybe 5-6 good games in two years, and quite a few break even type games.
it was the right move at the time, and i dont think anyone should hold it against jade. he wanted to go to the roo's and it was through our meddling that he ended up here. he tries his best and you can't hold it against him.
would only trade him for another tall and perhaps offer another pick to sweeten the deal but its not going to happen. a club would only want him if they could get him at a bargain price. hes worth more to us as a defender even if his form is suspect, it is no worse than a few other players running around at the moment.Brown was on $375K, Jade $325K
go hard
16 Jul 2005, 20:25
1. Stevens said he would not come to the Bulldogs.
.
So your telling me that if we drafted stevens, he wouldnt have played for us.
Ridiculous. His only other option would have been to take the year off and hope someone else picked him up the next year.
I somehow don't think he wouldve done that.
If we played our cards right we would have got cooney ray (mclean wouldve been better) as well as bradley and stevens instead of getting rawlings
Crow-mosone
16 Jul 2005, 21:18
So your telling me that if we drafted stevens, he wouldnt have played for us.
Ridiculous. His only other option would have been to take the year off and hope someone else picked him up the next year.
I somehow don't think he wouldve done that.
If we played our cards right we would have got cooney ray (mclean wouldve been better) as well as bradley and stevens instead of getting rawlings
yeah you're obviously right. It's a no brainer, of course Stevens would have played for you.
I might be wrong, but even if he sits out a year, I think you still own his rights? all hypothethical of course.
So your telling me that if we drafted stevens, he wouldnt have played for us.
Ridiculous. His only other option would have been to take the year off and hope someone else picked him up the next year.
I somehow don't think he wouldve done that.
If we played our cards right we would have got cooney ray (mclean wouldve been better) as well as bradley and stevens instead of getting rawlings
We could have drafted Stevens, but the price he asked for was something we couldn't have afforded.
go hard
16 Jul 2005, 22:50
Same thing again. He gets whatever we pay him overwise he sits out the year.
Crow-mosone
16 Jul 2005, 23:12
Same thing again. He gets whatever we pay him overwise he sits out the year.
that however is not true. he nominated his salary, which means you HAVE to pay that, IF you picked him up.
I don't beleive you are paying jade any less?
flamethrower
17 Jul 2005, 00:12
Max Stevens (Nick Stevens' manager) has said on the record that if it looked likely that the Bulldogs were going to draft Nick Stevens he would have resigned with Port Adelaide. Stevens did not nominate for the preseason draft until it was clear that the Bulldogs had committed to drafting Jade Rawlings.
Crow-mosone
17 Jul 2005, 01:15
Max Stevens (Nick Stevens' manager) has said on the record that if it looked likely that the Bulldogs were going to draft Nick Stevens he would have resigned with Port Adelaide. Stevens did not nominate for the preseason draft until it was clear that the Bulldogs had committed to drafting Jade Rawlings.
that's a myth.
he can't. once he has entered the draft he is in.
he had already made it clear during trade week that there was no going back, and burnt all his bridges with port. from that point he was always going in the draft.
stevebiscuit
17 Jul 2005, 10:23
Has been listed in the best players list once this season, against Carlton.
Surely most would be expecting a little more than this.
stugutz
17 Jul 2005, 22:02
So your telling me that if we drafted stevens, he wouldnt have played for us.
Ridiculous. His only other option would have been to take the year off and hope someone else picked him up the next year.
I somehow don't think he wouldve done that.
If we played our cards right we would have got cooney ray (mclean wouldve been better) as well as bradley and stevens instead of getting rawlings
'Ridiculous'??? He has stated on several occasions that he would not go to the bulldogs. Is that clear enough for you? He mayken a year off. We will never know. We do know that the last thing we would nee is another player that does not want to come to our team. Rawlings has been an expensive disaster. We are supposed to gain from finishing on the bottom. He has cost us lots of money and close to zero return.
gridlocked
17 Jul 2005, 22:05
Jade would have been more than handy today.
stugutz
17 Jul 2005, 22:08
Jade would have been more than handy today.
A 100% fit and happy Jade would have been handy today. The Jade we have had would have spent most of the game taking up a position on the bench.
There would not have been many AFL footballers that could have played worse than Bowden or Bandy today.
gridlocked
17 Jul 2005, 22:10
A 100% fit and happy Jade would have been handy today. The Jade we have had would have spent most of the game taking up a position on the bench.
There would not have been many AFL footballers that could have played worse than Bowden or Bandy today.
Even if the good or bad Jade turned up today, we would have been a better side.
stugutz
17 Jul 2005, 22:38
Even if the good or bad Jade turned up today, we would have been a better side.
Shyte if I turned up we would have been a better side today. I am not fit enough to run around but I am quite sure I could take an uncontested mark on my own!
Don't understand in games like today why they dont put Street in the square with no other instruction other than to take a mark and not run more than 25 meters from goal.
How many times did the Bulldogs get the ball and had nobody to kick it to inside 50?
Max Stevens (Nick Stevens' manager) has said on the record that if it looked likely that the Bulldogs were going to draft Nick Stevens he would have resigned with Port Adelaide. Stevens did not nominate for the preseason draft until it was clear that the Bulldogs had committed to drafting Jade Rawlings.
Why the hell would they want to re-sign him, the story of Port getting rid of Nick Stevens then powering on to win a premiership reminds me of Lance Armstrong getting rid of testicular cancer then powering on to win the Tour de France. Nick was their cancer an unaccountable possesion chaser who sprayed it after he got it like a shotgun, much to the disgust of his CHF Warren Tredrea.
stefoid
18 Jul 2005, 10:51
Why the hell would they want to re-sign him, the story of Port getting rid of Nick Stevens then powering on to win a premiership reminds me of Lance Armstrong getting rid of testicular cancer then powering on to win the Tour de France. Nick was their cancer an unaccountable possesion chaser who sprayed it after he got it like a shotgun, much to the disgust of his CHF Warren Tredrea.
harsh, but funny
scooter600x
18 Jul 2005, 11:03
that's a myth.
he can't. once he has entered the draft he is in.
But he hadn't entered the draft at that stage and still had a couple of weeks to make up his mind.
Why do you think we gave pick 6 to Hawthorn on the proviso they gave it to Essendon for Jacobs? It was insurance. Jacobs put them close to the salary cap limit which meant Rawlings couldn't change his mind and go back.
Back onto the topic, it seems that our match commitee does not rate Jade. Not being able to get a game despite our horror run with KPP injuries the last 2 weeks would suggest to me that he has had his papers marked. Clearly, they experimented with Bowden on McGregor, when Rawlings would have been the 'safer' option. Geelong have no real match-up he is suited to either, so I doubt he will come back into the side this week as well. Being able to off-load Rawlings will be crucial in our ability to attract and pay for a quality KPP.
stugutz
18 Jul 2005, 12:54
What is Jades position contract wise? Would anyone else want him?
What is Jades position contract wise? Would anyone else want him?
1. think he has one more year to go with another on option...
2. No
stugutz
18 Jul 2005, 13:42
1. think he has one more year to go with another on option...
2. No
Well then we have to accept it as it is!