View Full Version : Players who are GAWN at seasons end.
CowboyFromHell
15 Jul 2005, 01:22
Just looking over our list, and thought these players are either GAWN, or very close to being cut at the end of 2005:
Heffernan
Armstrong
Smith
Williams
Rigoni
Carroll
We need to make a few changes to continue the charge to a premiership, and these guys don't figure in any plans. Cut em, maybe trade one or two, and get some more youth on board, or a veteran who is out of contract.
melbournemartin
15 Jul 2005, 01:29
smith will be given another year as ND will feel sorry for him cos of his injuries. armstrong maybe another year. saturday is judgement day for carroll. others will i dunno
CowboyFromHell
15 Jul 2005, 01:41
smith will be given another year as ND will feel sorry for him cos of his injuries. armstrong maybe another year. saturday is judgement day for carroll. others will i dunno
The only way Smith will get another year is because he is a KP player. If he were small, he would have been long GAWN! He won't get another year because ND feels sorry for him. Crap excuse.
Armstrong will be traded back to WA. He's had how many years on our list now? 3? 4? He just doesn't enough. Has talent, but too small. Trade him back to WA, for another player, not a pick. Draft this year doesn't seem all that deep.
Agree with Cowboy's list.
Motlop
Hunter
Godfrey
Can start performing real soon or they can join CFH's mob.
Obviously they aren't all going to get the chop but they're all candidates.
Have we missed anyone?
Deestroy
20 Jul 2005, 03:12
How in gods name did Hunter miss that list.
The kid has been on the list 3 years for no improvement. In fact he's gotten worse, now starting ON THE BENCH in the Sandy 2's.
How in gods name did Hunter miss that list.
The kid has been on the list 3 years for no improvement. In fact he's gotten worse, now starting ON THE BENCH in the Sandy 2's.
I'm on the record as being a fan, but it's now or never for him!
CowboyFromHell
20 Jul 2005, 20:37
How in gods name did Hunter miss that list.
The kid has been on the list 3 years for no improvement. In fact he's gotten worse, now starting ON THE BENCH in the Sandy 2's.
Completely over looked him to be honest. I thought I went through all the numbers!
If he's starting on the bench for the Sandy 2's, then he's a big candidate to be delisted at the end of the season!
Rhombus
20 Jul 2005, 22:09
Anyone mention Nicholson?
Anyone mention Nicholson?
Even with him on the list we have half a Full Back but without him we don't have anyone at all.
If anyone says Bell, Ferguson or Rivers could replace him i'll stop laughing just long enough, to remind you that these kids are still stick figures...
Sylvia Saint
20 Jul 2005, 23:19
I reckon Bell, Ferguson or Rivers could replace Nicho to be honest. ;)
The following players are gone:
Heffernan (useless player, but ND loves him so you never know...)
Armstrong (not rated by the coaching staff and wants to go home anyway)
Hunter (bit of a shame, I liked the look of him in 2003. But he has gone backwards since then)
Williams (well you'd hope so)
Carroll (unless he impresses in the next few weeks. Out of contract I think)
Motlop (worth a punt, hasn't paid off)
Rigoni (will probably retire)
Smith will be retained for another year... even though I don't think he'll ever add to his 3 AFL games.
Smith will be retained for another year... even though I don't think he'll ever add to his 3 AFL games.
He'd be a very lucky boy if he's retained IMO.
Motlop (worth a punt, hasn't paid off)
I'm still staggered we picked him up. We would've been better off either replacing Broady (I mean, someone who played in his same position, rather than at the opposite end of the ground, and opposite end of the height chart), or gone for the other option (was it picks in the PSD?)
melbournemartin
20 Jul 2005, 23:55
nichos inclusion in the leadership group means ND wont trade him or delist him
i'd give smith 1 more year. he was pick 15 right? n a big boy hopefully he can DO SOMETHING. how much does cameron hunter weigh these days btw?
sabre_ac
21 Jul 2005, 00:57
What happend to Armstrong?? I thought the kid had some talent.
What happend to Armstrong?? I thought the kid had some talent.
He still does, but IMO he hasn't worked anywhere near hard enough in the past few years.
If he's still around by Pre-season draft time Freo could (& have) done worse.
Supermercado
21 Jul 2005, 14:08
Our free and open player exchange program with the Dockers (Gilbert, Norrish, White, Chisholm, Farmer etc..) has slowed in the past few years so we'd better flog him to them and keep it alive.
Our free and open player exchange program with the Dockers (Gilbert, Norrish, White, Chisholm, Farmer etc..) has slowed in the past few years so we'd better flog him to them and keep it alive.
like everyone else in the comp, we need fast skilled midfielders
CowboyFromHell
21 Jul 2005, 16:14
Armstrong might actually be a chance to play this week. He had 25 touches or something for Sandy, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's named on an extended bench.
I'd give Motlop one more year. Remember, he started pre-season really late, and while he played one or two games, his body hasn't reacted too well. Give him a full pre-season, and then if he doesn't perform, delist him. But one season on no pre-season is pretty unfair on the guy. He get's another chance.
cannons
21 Jul 2005, 18:08
motlop, hunter and smith will all stay.
motlop worth a punt
smith KPP
hunter needs more size and has always been labelled as someone who'll take a while to develop. not playing sandy 2's either.
Deestroy
21 Jul 2005, 18:18
not playing sandy 2's either.
Must've been a different Melbourne listed Cameron Hunter who played an average game off the bench for the Sandy 2's last week then eh?
CowboyFromHell
21 Jul 2005, 23:49
Must've been a different Melbourne listed Cameron Hunter who played an average game off the bench for the Sandy 2's last week then eh?
ZING! :D
melbournemartin
22 Jul 2005, 00:25
will hefferhack go? not really got much trade value except maybe a 3rd rounder. ya never know we might pick up a gem it is still possible.
ExTasDeeMan
22 Jul 2005, 11:10
will hefferhack go? not really got much trade value except maybe a 3rd rounder. ya never know we might pick up a gem it is still possible.
i'm sure that Carlton would be looking to recruit some more basketcases..
Gunnar Longshanks
22 Jul 2005, 13:47
Armstrong will be traded back to WA. He's had how many years on our list now? 3? 4? He just doesn't enough. Has talent, but too small. Trade him back to WA, for another player, not a pick. Draft this year doesn't seem all that deep.Maybe Fremantle would be interested.
Just because a player wants to go home, it doesn't mean clubs in their home state want them. That's also the misconception of Collingwood fans regarding Leon Davis.
Armstrong seems pretty average. What would you expect in return?
Bear in mind, he wouldn't get anywhere near WC's best 22, so don't start talking about Staker or Selwood or any of our young talent. We won't part with much for a player we really don't need.
You'll get a player who can't break into our side or a 4th round pick.
Just because a player wants to go home, it doesn't mean clubs in their home state want them.
Agreed.
Armstrong will need to pull the digit out to put some trade value into him.
Maybe his aunty can bump up his trade value.
dugrene
22 Jul 2005, 16:28
If he's still around by Pre-season draft time Freo could (& have) done worse.
Would it be considered bad form if Freo or WC waited to see if he is delisted then grab him as a rookie ?
From what I understand he is still young enough.
CowboyFromHell
22 Jul 2005, 19:24
Maybe Fremantle would be interested.
Just because a player wants to go home, it doesn't mean clubs in their home state want them. That's also the misconception of Collingwood fans regarding Leon Davis.
Armstrong seems pretty average. What would you expect in return?
Bear in mind, he wouldn't get anywhere near WC's best 22, so don't start talking about Staker or Selwood or any of our young talent. We won't part with much for a player we really don't need.
You'll get a player who can't break into our side or a 4th round pick.
No doubt. His worth isn't all that high, and I wouldn't expect a player like Staker or Selwood in return. How about McDougall? He seems on the outer with you guys these days, maybe if we threw in a 2nd or 3rd rounder? Not sure of McDougall's worth to your side these days though.
AllStar7
22 Jul 2005, 19:31
Agreed.
Armstrong will need to pull the digit out to put some trade value into him.
Maybe his aunty can bump up his trade value.
Armstrong is really not a bad player, and works very hard at VFL level.
The problem is, Daniher doesn't rate him and never gives him a game, no matter how well he performs.
He isn't overly quick, but he has good hands, he is tough and he can also kick a decent crumbing goal. If only he was given a go, he couldn't possibly do worse than some of the other dead weight on our list.
CowboyFromHell
22 Jul 2005, 19:34
Armstrong is really not a bad player, and works very hard at VFL level.
The problem is, Daniher doesn't rate him and never gives him a game, no matter how well he performs.
He isn't overly quick, but he has good hands, he is tough and he can also kick a decent crumbing goal. If only he was given a go, he couldn't possibly do worse than some of the other dead weight on our list.
Tough? Surely you jest?
AllStar7
22 Jul 2005, 19:55
Tough? Surely you jest?
Never seen him shirk an issue, or duck a contest.
He isn't the type of 'tough' who goes around punching people, he is simply a player who goes in for the ball at all costs.
He is certainly tougher than some of our highly paid players.
melbournemartin
22 Jul 2005, 21:35
he has the potential to be a regular in our team but he just doesnt show it and he really hasnt impooved much at all since he came here after we had some reasonably high hopes for him
Gunnar Longshanks
22 Jul 2005, 21:39
No doubt. His worth isn't all that high, and I wouldn't expect a player like Staker or Selwood in return. How about McDougall? He seems on the outer with you guys these days, maybe if we threw in a 2nd or 3rd rounder? Not sure of McDougall's worth to your side these days though.Do you realise how little need we have for a guy like Armstrong?
He's of almost zero value to us.
McDougall is 22 and has shown enough for us to hang onto him. He could still claim a spot in our best side.
McDougall remains well and truly in the mix. There's no way in hell we'd offer him as straight swap for Armstrong, who can't crack a spot at Melbourne. Would he even play a senior game at WC?
If you want McDougall, you can keep Armstrong and offer us draft picks, but you won't get him for a bargain.
We have zero need for another fringe midfielder. Absolutely zero.
melbournemartin
22 Jul 2005, 21:47
lol yeh eagles would be stupid to trade mcdougall for armstrong and we dont really need mcdougall anyway. better to use armstrong as a sweetener to try n get hay
CowboyFromHell
23 Jul 2005, 00:24
Do you realise how little need we have for a guy like Armstrong?
He's of almost zero value to us.
McDougall is 22 and has shown enough for us to hang onto him. He could still claim a spot in our best side.
McDougall remains well and truly in the mix. There's no way in hell we'd offer him as straight swap for Armstrong, who can't crack a spot at Melbourne. Would he even play a senior game at WC?
If you want McDougall, you can keep Armstrong and offer us draft picks, but you won't get him for a bargain.
We have zero need for another fringe midfielder. Absolutely zero.
Um, yep, I think you made your point. You could have just said "no" and been done with it, but to each their own.
I also did say a draft pick with Armstrong, but I think you missed that. I didn't say straight swap.
I'd give a draft pick for McDougall, but not one of high value. 2nd rounder, at best. He was drafted at the end of 2000 yes? That's 4 years with, let's be honest, not a great deal to show for it. Potential, yes. Consistency, hell no. You don't need Armstrong, that's fine. I can deal draft picks, just don't expect anything higher than he's worth which is a 2nd rounder.
CowboyFromHell
23 Jul 2005, 00:25
lol yeh eagles would be stupid to trade mcdougall for armstrong and we dont really need mcdougall anyway. better to use armstrong as a sweetener to try n get hay
Don't need him? WTF?
We have Neitz and Miller. Neitz is in his 30's now, and has 3-4 years left at best. Dutchy isn't good enough to be a regular in our side... so who else is left to be a tall? Dunn and Bate are too early to tell, Smith has done nothing...
We could DEFINATELY use McDougall at Melbourne as the 3rd tall.
melbournemartin
23 Jul 2005, 12:33
mcdougall is a young holland. crap mark n skills n can be very lazy at times. i'd rather let Dunn and or Bate grow into a role there then mcdougall. we have much higher priorities then mcdougall. also if ND trades for him, he might put Miller in defence *gasp* permanently.
he'd be handy yeh but i would both with other players like Hay before him
CowboyFromHell
23 Jul 2005, 18:43
mcdougall is a young holland. crap mark n skills n can be very lazy at times. i'd rather let Dunn and or Bate grow into a role there then mcdougall. we have much higher priorities then mcdougall. also if ND trades for him, he might put Miller in defence *gasp* permanently.
he'd be handy yeh but i would both with other players like Hay before him
I get the distinct feeling you have never seen McDougall play before.
Eagles fans, shed a bit of light on this if you will.
melbournemartin
23 Jul 2005, 19:56
I get the distinct feeling you have never seen McDougall play before.
Eagles fans, shed a bit of light on this if you will.
i have seen him play actually and he is a lazy footballer and not the kind of guy i'd want playin for us. to get him we would have to give up a fair bit cos thats how much KPP are worth these days, armstrong on his own wouldnt cut it. they would demand a draft pick and i'd rather keep the draft pick
Bartram_Class
22 Mar 2006, 21:50
Interesting to look back on some of these threads....
2 or 3 posters there calling for Motlop to be delisted, that would have been a bad decision on recent form..
Deestroy
23 Mar 2006, 11:27
And I still can't believe some people believed Hunter would remain on the list! ;)
Admit it deestroy, you love him :p
Bartram_Class
23 Mar 2006, 18:04
motlop, hunter and smith will all stay.
motlop worth a punt
smith KPP
hunter needs more size and has always been labelled as someone who'll take a while to develop. not playing sandy 2's either.
What was he thinking?
melbournemartin
23 Mar 2006, 18:07
thank god he wasnt incharge of our lists :)
Deestroy
23 Mar 2006, 18:11
Admit it deestroy, you love him :p
I love him like I've loved other overrated (by Demon supporters) duds who we've had such as Michael Clark.
How Clark was ever rated I will never know.
Bartram_Class
23 Mar 2006, 18:15
I love him like I've loved other overrated (by Demon supporters) duds who we've had such as Michael Clark.
How Clark was ever rated I will never know.
At least Clarks first (and only?) touch of the ball was a goal...
IIRC Hunters first kick went straight into Gary Ablett on the mark (not the tallest of fellows Gary)
Slander
23 Mar 2006, 20:56
Even though no games have been played our list looks much stronger than last year.
The only player who is well and truly in the gun is Nick Smith.